Saturday Morning Open Thread: SN@W

Here in the Boston area, we’ve had unnervingly little snow so far this winter — but the weathermedia are cheerfully predicting that we’ll double our seasonal tally by Tuesday. And right now, I have the barometric pressure headache to support that theory. On the other hand, if it’s the kind of light fluffy powder we got earlier this week, at least our 17-year-old rescue Zevon will enjoy himself hugely…

Not quite as much (or nearly as persistently) as Blair Braverman’s crew of professional athletes, of course!

Braverman, a dog-sledder, author and correspondent for Outside magazine, is one of 17 women racing in this year’s Iditarod, a record 32.7 percent of the field. ­­­

“Mushing is one of the only sports where men and women compete together at elite level,” she says. “We are taken seriously as athletes because there’s no chance for people to tell themselves we’re not on the same playing field.”

But she doesn’t consider herself just an athlete. She’s also a coach, a nutritionist, a parent, even a veterinary tech for her team. All her dogs, 14 hand-picked racers from a group of 20 that she has been training, have undergone physicals as extensive as the preparations for any professional athlete in the NBA or NFL, from electrocardiograms to vaccinations.

The dogs are a sharp but motley crew of strong personalities. Pepe is the steady, “mature” head of the pack. Flame is Braverman’s “shadow” and has raced with her in every qualifier. Jenga, Flame’s half sister, “doesn’t suffer fools.”…

“People are getting to know these dogs as pets, as friends, and they’re also seeing them as elite athletes,” she says. “It’s like rooting for your favorite sports team, but they all happen to be dogs.”…

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    Yutsano says:

    Open thread? Open thread.

    So uhh hey people! I promise I did not die! That’s kind of rubbish anyway. You don’t exactly get wifi there.

    I have been in and out of 5 ERs since Monday. Every time up until Thursday I would just get turned back around home. I finally had to collapse in my apartment and my dad knocking my door down to get a hospital to pay attention. I have even more severe tingling in my legs than before and was twitching like mad. Am waiting on some images now.

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    NotMax says:

    Wow. Ultra early morning thread. Me likey.

    And blesesdly Dolt 45 free. Me likey even more.

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    JPL says:

    @Yutsano: That sounds so scary. Hopefully you will find answers and receive the treatment that you need. I am so sorry

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Double yikes.

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    Yutsano says:

    @NotMax: @JPL: @Amir Khalid: Had to have gone to the same ER three times before they took me. The doctor said he would do one exam but then have no choice but to send me away. That’s all it needed. Discharge was immediately cancelled and we actually started working through options. Now at a different hospital because they can do the specific imaging I need.

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    sukabi says:

    @Yutsano: sending good thoughts your way. Hope you get answers and the treatment you need.

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    Baud says:

    @Yutsano: Speedy healing. That’s nuts.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Yutsano: Ooooofff.

    Next time you go to an ER, bleed. The more the better. Eviscerate yourself if you have to. I too learned that lesson the hard way.

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    Quinerly says:

    @Yutsano: triple yikes. This terrible. Keep us updated. Hoping you get some answers.

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    raven says:

    @Yutsano: I thing we need more info????

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    satby says:

    @Yutsano: Horrible! Keep us posted, and fingers crossed for you.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Our own snow prediction for tonight has been dropped from 4-8″ down to 3-5″. Still gonna get single digits at night till Wednesday.

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    satby says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: right now that whole storm looks like it will stay south of us, with barely any snow predicted. We’re getting all of the cold though 😱

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    Brachiator says:

    Please take care.

    Best wishes.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Exclusive: video shows Portland officers made deal with far-right group leader

    Niiya has been broadly criticized for an overly friendly attitude to Gibson in text exchanges. In one exchange in December 2017, he tells Gibson that PPB will not arrest Toese, despite the existence of a warrant.

    “Just make sure he doesn’t do anything which may draw our attention,” Niiya texts Gibson. “If he still has the warrant in the system (I don’t run you guys so I don’t personally know) the officers could arrest him. I don’t see a need to arrest on the warrant unless there is a reason.”

    Silly me, I thought a warrant was a reason to arrest. At least, that’s what the cops always told me when slapping the cuffs on.

    Gibson confirmed the 3 June conversation, but defended Niiya’s policing methods, which he told the Guardian were “consistent with every single officer I have been in communication with all over the country”.
    “He is always respectful. His main thing is de-escalation, that’s what he was always talking about.

    Really? Cops all over the country are trying to de-escallate? Obviously, he’s never been to St Louis. Wait a minute….

    “There are several text messages where he is begging me to leave Portland,” he added.

    Yeah, instead of arresting cops are always begging people to leave BLM protests.

    Gibson’s remarks resembled the defense of Niiya made by the Portland Police Association union.

    What a coincidence!

    Just five days after the 3 June protest, Toese and another of the far-right Proud Boys group, Donovan Flippo, who has also been a regular attendee at Patriot Prayer rallies, allegedly attacked a man in Portland. Last Wednesday, they were indicted by a grand jury over that incident.

    Can you say ‘Lawsuit’?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @satby: Yeah, I think you said single digits are what you are expecting for highs?

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Yutsano: wtf, dude?

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    satby says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Well, today the forecast for Monday says 14° and Tuesday 18°, so not as bad as predicted yesterday. Going down to 5° overnight. Kinda cold for March.

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    NotMax says:

    Okay, first off this movie will not be in everyone’s wheelhouse.

    Worked my way through Zama and am at the end glad I did, albeit in maybe 20 minutes chunks as it is so languidly constructed that one gets antsy over things like extended shots of someone staring pensively into the distance. Still, such bits set the scene in beautifully shot locales, at once both mystical and ponderously mundane. As it is just about two hours long, took me several days to watch the entire film.

    If you’re one who likes, say, Aguirre: The Wrath of God or the writings of Borges, consider this a recommendation. Available on Amazon Prime.

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    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning,Everyone 😄😄😄

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    MomSense says:


    Nope. I don’t like this one bit. Don’t let those docs brush you off! I’m rooting for you and sending good thoughts. Please let us know how you are doing.

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    MomSense says:

    If you haven’t seen 100 foot journey on Netflix, give it a try.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @satby: Yeah, that’s not so bad. We’re looking at highs in the mid 40s by the end of the week. I’d like to think this will be our last bout of winter, but I wouldn’t bet on it. I’m ready to see crocuses in my yard.

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning.

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    Mary G says:

    @Yutsano: That sounds awful. Hope they figure it out and fix you ASAP!

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    NotMax says:


    Thanks. Shall check it out.

    Dunno if it is still on Netflix but if it is you might enjoy Le Chef.

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    JPL says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning

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    Raven says:

    Meet the Prisoner in OG. “Original Gangster”

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    geg6 says:


    Wow, hope they find the problem soon. Good thoughts going out to you, my friend.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    New York’s canners: the people who survive off a city’s discarded cans

    He doesn’t like to talk about how much he earns from the cans, which, obviously, depends on how frequently he goes out to collect. At his peak, he was canning four days a week from midnight to noon. (In general, and as is fairly common, if a canner picks up 1,000 cans a week, they would earn $2,600 a year: five cents a can x 1,000 cans x 52 weeks.)

    “You have to go out, and you have to go out a lot,” he says. “We’re hardworking people. It’s honest dollars. You don’t have to beg anyone, and you don’t have to knock anyone over the head.”
    He has held a number of different jobs in the decades since, but he’s always supplemented his income with canning. These days, he works as a porter at a coffee chain in Manhattan. “They pay OK,” he says, “but every little bit helps.”

    Pemberton has accumulated a wealth of knowledge along the way. He likes to help other canners; one basic trick he likes to explain involves punching a small hole in the bottom of the plastic bags he uses to collect cans, so that excess liquid from the containers can easily drain out. He also tries to teach his colleagues, especially those who cannot read English, how to decipher the labelling on certain containers: not all are eligible for redemption. Initially, only beer and carbonated beverage containers were included under New York’s bottle bill. Since 2009, water bottles and other non-carbonated beverages also became eligible as returnable containers.

    “Maybe I should start a school or something,” he says, laughing.

    May I suggest ivanka trump as your first student? If you can stomach her, I’m sure you could teach her a lot about hard work.

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    WereBear says:

    It’s here! The paperback version of my book! Which so many of you were kindly interested in.

    The Way of Cats in PAPERBACK!

    And I got to admit, even as a digital fan, holding the proof copy in my hands was thrilling :)

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    Barbara says:

    @Yutsano: They didn’t give you a referral for a non-emergency follow up? I’m sorry. I hope you get the assessment you need quickly.

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    JPL says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Ivanka would be a perfect choice because she could use her heels to punch that hole in the plastic bag.

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    @Yutsano: Holy cow. I hope they figure out what’s wrong.

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    @WereBear: Congrats! That’s a pretty cat on the cover. May you sell a million copies.

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    WereBear says:

    @Yutsano: Damn. Rooting for you.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @WereBear: Congrats!

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    Marigold says:

    I really only lurk here (I’m not quick-witted enough to keep up with the conversations), but since it’s an open thread, maybe I can ask some advice of the southwest Ohio jackals?

    My husband and I are taking a long weekend to the Cincinnati area soon. I’ll be on my own most of Friday afternoon while he takes a manufacturing plant tour, but we’ll have Friday and Saturday to explore, and drive home Sunday. I have a list of local attractions from the visitors’ bureau so far–anything you’d recommend, or suggest we steer clear of? My first preference is the zoo and botanical gardens, but it’s early March, so maybe that’s another visit, or if we do decide to relocate here.

    …Excuse me while I breathe into a paper bag for a minute.

    Do you like it there? I’m trying not to get ahead of myself, but any advice is welcome at this point.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @JPL: Can’t you just see her pushing a broken down grocery cart with an errant wheel thru a snowbound alley and rooting thru dumpsters for cans, bottles, and plastic water bottles? I wonder how her manicure would hold up? Would her make up smear? Would she tear her pantyhose?

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    JPL says:

    @Marigold: Ohio mom might be able to help so check back when she’s online.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Marigold: I’d suggest taking in a Reds game, but it’s March so you’re spared that indignity. ;-)

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    JPL says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Her fashion sense is impeccable so she’ll know just what outfit would work.
    Actually I imagine that there would be tears and a phone calls to daddy complaining about the mean people.

    Pence calls his wife mother, I wonder if Ivanka calls Jared daddy.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Raven: Perfect, from now on I will refer to her by no other name.

    @JPL: complaining about the mean people who wouldn’t dive into the dumpster for her at the kingly wage of a penny a can!

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    Argiope says:

    @Marigold: the Newport Aquarium is pretty great. Pricey but memorable, and indoors.

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    zhena gogolia says:


    Just ordered one, in anticipation of adopting again this spring.

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    zhena gogolia says:


    I hope you get better soon!

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Meet the President, Malcolm Brogdon.

    Nice profile of the Milwaukee Bucks guard.

    It’s still winter in America, with downtown Milwaukee lined by banks of dirty snow, but there is sunshine in this room. Donald Trump remains in office, as anger and disillusion festers, but Malcolm Brogdon defies these downbeat days. Fiery eloquence and hope pour out of the NBA’s 2017 Rookie of the Year who plays for the most exciting basketball team in America. The Milwaukee Bucks lead the Eastern Conference and have the best record in the league.

    Giannis Antetokounmpo, a 6ft 11in Greek immigrant of Nigerian descent, is the Bucks’ exhilarating star who now bears comparison with LeBron James and Steph Curry. But Brogdon is the steady heart of this young team. Antetokounmpo is called the Greek Freak while Brogdon’s stately nickname is The President. Having come late to the pro ranks after completing his post-graduate degree, the 26-year-old talks with the resolve of a man destined for more important matters than his current drive to help the Bucks become NBA champions for only the second time in their five-decade history – and the first since a young Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was in their fold.
    How did his presidential nickname arise? “That came up when President Obama was in office. People said I spoke like him and looked like him. I was articulate and had my master’s degree. People started to call me The President.”

    Brogdon, who will surely do even more in life than chase down an NBA championship in Milwaukee, smiles when asked if he likes his nickname. “I love it – as long as you know the context. We need context for everything.”

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Marigold: there are a fair number of Cincinnati posters here, including but not limited to Ohio Mom, Kathleen, and Alternative fax/Bella Q. They seemed semi-normal when I met them in the big Blue Ash meetup! Post this at different times of day in different threads and you should be able to catch some of them.

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    zhena gogolia says:


    I’m not quick-witted enough to keep up with the conversations

    Surely you jest!

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    WereBear says:

    @NotMax: Aaaaugh! Seems to fit my own theory about art films: they appeal to those who enjoy the film they build in their heard, based on the film they are watching…

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    Baud says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    If you want her to keep posting, don’t call her Shirley.

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    Kay says:


    It does depend though. They would arrest you on a local warrant, but not on an out of area (misdemeanor or low level felony) warrant because if they do arrest him they have to transport him to where the warrant originated or get police from that place to pick him up, which they generally don’t do. So the ordinary expectation would be “Portland city or county warrant, arrest, out of area, won’t arrest”. If the BLM protesters were local with local warrants they were more likely to be arrested on an existing warrant.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Kay: I know that happens but…. Not in my experience.

    eta and in the context of this: “Just make sure he doesn’t do anything which may draw our attention,” I’m pretty sure he is speaking of a local warrant.

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    TS (the original) says:

    @Yutsano: Yikes again – best thoughts for docs finding & fixing the problem.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    For each day of the strike, the district lost $1 million from sparse enrollment in schools. During that week, though few of the city’s 37,000 students attended schools, teachers and parent groups collaborated to create dozens of so-called solidarity schools in libraries, co-ops, recreation centers, and homes for parents who didn’t have an alternative source of child care.

    Smart, very smart.

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    The Midnight Lurker says:

    @Yutsano: @NotMax:

    Double yikes again!! Slow and easy there, shipmate.

    Shoutout to all the jackals that ‘double yikes’ me first. Bastards.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @jeffreyw: #^%##**(&$#$^^%$%@ Bluejays!

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    Kay says:


    I read that as “if we arrest you we will run you and notify the jurisdiction the existing warrant comes out of” – then they decide who gets him. Indiana, Michigan and Ohio have this whole seamless process that is partly dependent on if a judge wants them brought back or if they just hand off to the state where they were picked up on the new charge. Sometimes the new place doesn’t want them so they’re actually arguing over who has to prosecute them :)

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    Marigold says:

    Aw, you guys are the best!

    @OzarkHillbilly: It’s okay, I feel I have been prepared from an early age not to expect winning from my local sports teams.

    @Argiope: Thank you, that sounds great! And it’s close enough to the river that we can take a walk, weather permitting. We’ll give the Creation Museum a pass, though.

    @Steve in the ATL: The recent meetup was my inspiration for posting at all. Thank you!

    @zhena gogolia, @Baud: I almost choked on my coffee! Thank you! Nah, I come up with a hilarious response after a hour or so, but we’ve had three new topics in the meantime.

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    debbie says:


    Good god, hope they find the cause. Infuriating that you were turned away so often.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Kay: I read that as “I know there are warrants for this guy, and other cops not as nice as I will take him in, but if he keeps a low profile they won’t take notice of him.”

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    debbie says:


    You’re right. I cut myself grabbing a food processor blade. It wasn’t bad, but when it hadn’t stopped after 24 hours, I took myself to the ER. After telling them I was on blood thinners, I went right to the head of the line. Every other time I’ve gone to the ER, I’ve had to wait for hours.

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    Ben Cisco says:

    @Yutsano: Holy crap! I hope that 1) your issue gets addressed quickly and 2) a few words are had with the people who turned you away.

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    debbie says:


    Hell, would her face even move?

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    debbie says:


    Maybe, but their coloring is so beautiful!

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    Haroldo says:


    Best wishes for a proper diagnosis followed by treatment and recovery.

    I am glad you were finally able to get the necessary imaging.

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    Kay says:

    Eric Lipton
    ‏Verified account
    11h11 hours ago
    State Department official concedes Trump, in explaining to reporters why he called off talks with North Korea, mischaracterized Kim’s demand on sanctions

    “Mischaracterized” is the new word for “lied”. I don’t care that much- I never thought using the magic word “lie” would take care of the problem anyway, the problem being that the President and his low quality employees lie all the time, but I am partial to Stacy Abram’s and her “falsehoods“. Sounds biblical and ominous.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Yutsano: Well that’s disturbing! :-( Glad you’re still with us!! Best of luck in figuring out what’s wrong and getting better!

    Hang in there!

    Best wishes,

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @debbie: I’d like to say it was 100% effective but my last ER visit was the exception to the rule. Cut myself to the bone on a piece of stovepipe at a store. By the time i got to the cashier there was blood all over my hand and half my pants (the poor girl went googly eyed and could only stutter when I asked if the had a first aid kit) (they didn’t) When I got to the ER with a bunch of blood soaked paper towels taped to my hand they barely even noticed me. 3 hrs later I was still pacing the waiting room with an ever angrier face. My “agitation” was such that when they finally came for me they sent a security guard to escort me back.

    Never did see a Doc. The NP who sewed me up asked, “You wouldn’t even be here if you weren’t on blood thinners, would you?”

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    debbie says:


    I’m fond of “unfounded” myself. //

    Jeez, this guy. Is it true that most Republican members of the Intelligence Committee didn’t bother to appear for Cohen’s hearing yesterday. FB told me so, but I’m not sure I can believe that.

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    debbie says:


    Lovely. What would their defense have been if you’d bled out while waiting to be seen?

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Yutsano: Holy shit, oh my god, holy cow, yikes, and what the fucking fuck?
    What the holy hell is wrong with all the ERs that sent you away?

    Sending every possible kind of good thought, and hoping you get some good news soon.

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    Baud says:

    @Kay: Only Trump could turn Kim into a statesman.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Yutsano: Ugh! Good luck — is it nerve problems? Back? Or Who knows? Rest and relax if you can. I expect that with some proper attention, you can figure this out….

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    The Midnight Lurker says:

    Blood thinners and alcohol are what got Bill Holden. Slipped, banged his head, and bled out. They found him four days later.

    Careful, jackals.

    RIP Sgt. Sefton.

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    Kristine says:

    @Yutsano: Damn–I hope you get things sorted soon.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @WereBear: That book cover is totally you, totally on brand. Very exciting that it’s out in print!

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    Kristine says:

    @WereBear: Congratulations–always a cool feeling!

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    Immanentize says:

    @Kay: They are running out of anodyne words for “lie.” I think that is a good thing.

    “…that other statement is no longer operative” has always been my favorite. True poetry from Ron Ziegler.

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    debbie says:

    Good news:

    NEW — Matt Gaetz is under investigation by the Florida State Bar over his Michael Cohen threat.With @lachlan— Sam Stein (@samstein) February 27, 2019

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    Immanentize says:

    @WereBear: That is one sweet accomplishment. Savor!

    I’m going to get a copy for Toast.

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    WereBear says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: May you sell a million copies.

    Thanks. Working on it. Planning a cat series.

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    Immanentize says:

    I can’t believe we are this deep into this thread and NotMax didn’t post up morning music suited for today:
    Dezi Arrnaz singing Babalu!
    Happy birthday Mr. Arnaz

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    WereBear says:

    @zhena gogolia: Double WOOT. For the book support, and especially for the upcoming adoption!

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    Immanentize says:

    @debbie: He should be under investigation by the US Attorney’s Office of DC.

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    Baud says:


    @Dorothy A. Winsor: May you sell a million copies.

    Thanks. Working on it. Planning a cat series.

    Based on my news feed, to increase sales, I suggest working Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez into your next title.

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    debbie says:


    The Google doodle celebrates his birthday too!

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    MomSense says:

    Just went down the rabbit hole of reading through the comments on a Neera Tanden tweet. Rose Twitter is really low information. This is why it is impossible to dialogue about policy with them. Every time I’m tempted to get into it with them I remember that as soon as I start responding with facts I just turn into a centrist corporate shill blah blah blahety blah.

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    Immanentize says:

    I’m in a musical mood this mornin’
    Here’s one going out to WearBear, and all you grooviest cats and kitties sittin’ pretty:
    Put Your Cat Clothes On
    By Carl Perkins with mad piano by Jerry Lee Lewis himself.

    (Ever notice how many great Rockabilly songs there are about clothes?)

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    Immanentize says:

    @debbie: He really was a hot shit musician. Like a cross between big band and Elvis.

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    PJ says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: These “canners” (I prefer to think of them as recycling thieves) are not helping things. They rip open the bags of recycling you’ve put out in the designated recycling bins in order to get the bottles that have deposits on them, then often leave the remainder on the ground (which the garbagemen won’t pick up), or dump them in the paper recycling bin (which means that you have to re-sort everything, and the garbagemen won’t pick the paper bin up if you don’t re-sort it before they arrive) or the regular garbage bin (which, again, means you have to pull them out and put them back in the glass/metal bin, or they won’t get recycled.) The city has had to remove all of the public recycling bins that used to be on street corners because the recycling thieves leave the bottles they don’t want strewn all over the street.

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    MomSense says:


    I love rockabilly. My kid has been struggling with a song – great lyrics but the music isn’t right and I keep begging him to turn it into a rockabilly song. It’s about a woman’s hidden (under clothes) tats.

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    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Just pointing out that if you go to The Way of the Cat on Amazon, there are symbols for FB and twitter in the upper right hand corner. You can give Were Bear a signal boost by clicking on them

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    Another Scott says:

    So, I’m sitting here watching the Tennis Channel, J loves tennis, and remembered that the Tennis Channel was fairly recently sold, but didn’t remember who owns them now. I saw some guy on the screen with “ESPN” on his back, but figured that couldn’t be right…

    The Tennis Channel is owned by Sinclair (since January 2016).


    It’s really hard to keep away from RWNJ broadcasters unless one does one’s homework. :-(


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    Plato says:

    Maxine Waters, the House Financial Services chair, says Deutsche Bank is cooperating with her Committee.She says Committee staff are going to Deutsche Bank and are now coordinating with the bank to begin reviewing documents related to Trump's finances.— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) March 2, 2019

    Once again, it takes ‘the other folks’ to clean up the wmff’s shite.

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    @Plato: I love that this is Maxine Waters doing this. Trump insulted her, apparently not anticipating that she’d wind up chairing this committee. He is such an idiot

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: I know, right? I’m still mad about the ‘92 World Series too.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Tsk, Tsk, Arsenal. You’ve gone and missed an injury-time penalty against Tottenham Hotspur — well, your “striker” Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang has — and had to settle for a 1-1 draw at Wembley. There goes the Champions League place.

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    Immanentize says:

    @MomSense: I love it too. I put it aside for a while, but I always pull it out and put it back in the playlist…. So here are some clothes songs:
    Pink Peg Slacks — Eddie Cochran
    Pointed Toe Shoes — Carl Perkins
    Peg Pants — Bill Beach
    Pink Pedal Pushers — Jerry Lee Lewis (I like the Perkins version more, but I’m mixing it up).
    Chantilly Lace — Big Bopper
    There is some other one about fuzzy navy footwear too…

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    waratah says:

    @Immanentize: I saw Jerry Lee Lewis in person in Sydney. He was an entertainer as well as a musician. He was not the headliner but he stole the show.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Steve in the ATL:
    I’ll see your ’92 and raise it one ’86!

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    Eric U. says:

    Our elkhound used to love snow, now her rear legs are so weak, she can barely stand up in it. I wish the mess in the yard would melt already. Unfortunately, the forecast for the next 10 days looks like snow and more snow.

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    Immanentize says:

    @waratah: I wish I had seen him live. He was one crazy dude. Did you know that Jerry Lee Lewis, Mickey Gilley (country singer) and Jimmy Swaggart (disgraced preacher) were cousins? That was one talented/cursed Gene pool.

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    MomSense says:


    Fuzzy navy footwear, hmmm wonder what that could be.

    The subject of my kid’s song has blue hair so I really think it’s meant to be rockabilly.

    Have some unpleasant cleaning chores to do today – rockabilly might just get me through!

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    SFAW says:


    Sounds pretty scary. I hope the docs get you the care you need, and that whatever the issue, it’s transitory.

    Best wishes.

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    SFAW says:


    I’ll see your ’92 and raise it one ’86!

    1986? The Mets won, so what’s the problem?

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    Sloane Ranger says:

    @Yutsano: Wow! Keeping my fingers crossed and sending good thoughts your way.

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    waratah says:

    @Immanentize: The family reunions would have been crazy fun. I did not know they were related.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    I think his Pink Cadillac and Aretha’s were the best Springsteen covers ever.

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    Immanentize says:


    crazy fun

    Until they got scary as hell!

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    Kay says:

    An attorney for lawyer Alan Dershowitz wrote a letter to the U.S. District Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit on Tuesday, asking whether the media should be excluded from the proceeding because his oral arguments on behalf of his client could contain sensitive information that has been under seal.
    The appeals court had not responded to his concern as of Friday, but if the hearing is closed during his lawyer’s argument, it would represent the latest in a long history of successful efforts to keep details of Epstein’s sex crimes sealed.

    Chickenshit Dershowitz doesn’t want his fancy friends to see this stuff, so he’s hiding behind the judge, filing on his “concerns” hoping the judge protects him while he continues to bleat about the First Amendment on tv. What a fraud.

    Is Harvard ashamed, yet? I mean, Jesus. At what point is someone discredited? This is a joke. There’s no public interest being served by continuing to hide the facts in this case. These people are relying on their money and status to get special treatment.

    The Miami Herald are real heroes for pursuing this. They would have succeeded without that newspaper making so much noise.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Amir Khalid: Yes — great covers. For me, The Band’s cover of Atlantic City is way up there too.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Kay: I wish that argument was in the First Circuit. I would cancel anything to see it.

    ETA. Harvard has been ashamed of Dersh for a long term. They even had to create a Dershowitz Rule regarding actually doing work sometimes at Harvard. They are just too protective of their notion that they never make mistakes to actually do anything.

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    Kay says:

    Dershowitz is 80 years old. Didn’t crime used to be a young person’s game? Our rich and powerful criminals are so fucking old.

    It’s like those organized crime cases where they wheel the ancient mob boss into the courtroom. Whole 50 year crime careers. Manafort operated with impunity for 30 years. A couple of more years and he could have retired.

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    @Kay: Then Manafort had the gall to claim he was a first time offender, presumably because it was the first time he’d been charged.

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    Kathleen says:

    @Marigold: Underground Railroad Freedom Center. If you’re baseball fans Reds Hall of Fame Museum is fun. Union Terminal which is converted railroad terminal houses different museum including one dedicated to Holocaust and human rights Cincinnati Art Museum is located in Eden Park so you could see art and a beautiful park. I’m an urban gal so I feel pretty safe and comfortable everywhere in the city where I also live and work. Feel free to ask front page for my email and feel free to contact me.

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    Kay says:


    They are just too protective of their notion that they never make mistakes to actually do anything.

    This is going to be on the grave marker of the country. It’s its own kind of “sunk cost fallacy”, except it’s reputation and prestige rather than money. If they were smart they’d cut losses early. There could be a formula- “bad person or policy will remain in place for a period of years equal to how many fancy people invested their reputations in that person or policy”.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Yutsano: Oh no! Stupid ERs finally realized you weren’t fooling.

    I hope you get the help you need and soon.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Johnny Cash did a rockabilly version of Johnny 99 that is also up there among the great Springsteen covers,

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    MomSense says:


    Those stockings with seams and short shorts- that was a 👀 alright.

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    Kathleen says:

    @Yutsano: I hope you get answers and relief. Sending light your way

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    Kay says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    I worry, I really do. I keep hearing about how we’re all relying on the SDNY, but weren’t they the people who might have prosecuted Trump for the last 50 years? What happened there? How in the HELL did he get this far without any kind of investigation? I still wonder about the NYC case where they had emails of the Trump children discussing how to defraud lenders and investors. Emails. They keep saying “no one knows how difficult it is because we have to show what is in their minds” No shit. Like every prosecutor everywhere. That never stopped them before and it still doesn’t stop them for low status criminals. They show “what is in peoples minds” every fucking day. It’s literally their job. They’re acting like this is somehow unique and an impossible bar to meet. If it were no one would be in prison.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Yutsano: Something just occurred to me. Did the staff in the ER maybe decide you were some addict making up a story to get opioids?

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    WaterGirl says:

    I went to the coop this morning after going to the farmer’s market. As the cashier was ringing up my bread and water, the only thing I was purchasing, I made the obvious joke about being on a bread and water diet.

    The cashier, who should be a dirty fucking hippy because she’s working at the coop, for god’s sake, says:

    It really gets me when prisoners whine about the food in prison, they should be grateful that they’re not just getting bread and water.

    My reply: “I have read reports about bugs and maggots in the food in prison, so there’s that.”

    She made some kind of odd gurgling sound and never said another word. They are clearly not making dirty fucking hippies the way they used to.

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    lamh36 says:

    “How does it feel to run for president and are you nervous?”

    Young girl asks Sen. Kamala Harris, a 2020 Democratic presidential candidate, about her run during an event in Las Vegas.

    Here’s a pic of baby girl that asked the question of Kamala.

    Also — that outfit lil sis! The dress, bag, the shoes 🔥🔥🔥

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    hueyplong says:

    @WaterGirl: That happened to me during one of my kidney stone adventures

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Yutsano: As others have already noted, Yikes! Here’s hoping you have a diagnosis and a treatment plan very soon. That limbo state between getting the doctors’ attention and their answers is a hard place to be. I know you know we are all pulling for you. I also know you will keep us updated. We don’t like being in limbo either.

    @Marigold: Welcome out of Lurkdom! I hardly know where to start as far as being your tour guide.

    Where are you staying? That may influence what suggestions I come up with.

    Also, the weather. It looks like we are about to go through another rainy period for the next few weeks, which might make outdoor places like the zoo less attractive (though it can be nice having the zoo to yourself in inclement weather).

    Ohio Dad likes to take out-of-towers to Jungle Jim’s market and I like to take people on the streetcar through downtown. But it all depends on what sort of interests you have.

    Do you want to see if we can rustle up a meet-up? (Note to CarolDuhart, we will get you transportation if you need it).

    Do I interpret this correctly, a company is wooing your husband? Where do you live now? Cincinnati could be an improvement over some places and a step back from others. Would you be moving with school-aged children? That would heavily influence any advice I have for you.

    Do you know how to contact a front pager? The method I use is clicking on the magnifying glass and using the search term, “contact a front pager.” Ask Anne Laurie for my email and then you can contact me directly.

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    Barbara says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Not using a potential melee as an opportunity to enforce outstanding warrants is probably a prudent decision, but telling select members of the public of that decision so their friends with warrants can relax is outrageous.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @hueyplong: I imagine that would be enraging. I’m sorry that happened.

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    Barbara says:

    @opiejeanne: I sincerely hope Yutsano gets help asap, but people should realize that ERs are rarely equipped with personnel and resources necessary to get to the bottom of complex presentations. Mostly, they make sure you are not in imminent danger and try to address acute problems. The best outcome for most people is an educated referral to a specialist. I have a horror story about a family friend that even I had trouble believing that finally made me understand that.

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    debbie says:


    And also they who carried on the tradition: Rockpile, Nick Lowe, Dave Edmunds, and on and on.

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    Jager says:


    Saw Jerry Lee at a club in Boston. He was singing “What Made Milwaukee Famous: and an asshat yelled rock n roll. JLL stopped playing and said, “son you wouldn’t know rock and roll if somebody shoved it up your ass.” Then he finished Milwaukee

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    Immanentize says:

    I think the guy did a great job splicing that viddy. Complete alignment between dancer hip moves and song beat!

    Johnny Burnett — dead way too young. But he went out like a 50’s Rockabilly Icon should. Speed boat and waterskiing

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    Barbara says:

    @WaterGirl: This is exactly what happened to said family friend – whose symptoms of pain in his hips so severe that it impeded his ability to walk turned out to be metastatic cancer. Said ER of highly esteemed AMC threatened to arrest his friend when she objected to their conclusion that nothing was wrong with him and that he needed to leave.

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    debbie says:


    F me for leaving out Marshall Cranshaw.

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    debbie says:


    That’s exactly what happened to my grandmother. They kept telling her it was just arthritis. By the time they found the cancer, she was beyond even painkillers (mid-80s).

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    CarolDuhart2 says:

    @Ohio Mom: Marigold: First of all, welcome to Cincinnati. We are less inhibited than we used to be in the city proper. (All the MAGAs moved out to Clermont). We’re a blue city proper now, and with black flight to places like Sharonville, Northgate and assorted areas, even some suburbs are getting a blue tinge. There’s a westside/eastside division based on the fact that Downtown sits in the middle of the two sides of a large bowl.
    Some advice on neighborhoods may be badly outdated. Many of the old inner-city neighborhoods are gentrifying (unfortunately for some of us) and may have new/remodeled construction to offer. Look around.
    Bonomoni’s bakery is the best (Fah, Graeters and Servattis).

    If you are coming from the coasts, you will find Cinci real estate remarkably inexpensive, unless you move into one of the newer built condos-and even many of those aren’t too bad. Middle Class people can afford a house here.

    Kathleen has my new number available for a feetup (meetup), well its Saturday.

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    Immanentize says:

    @debbie: my friend and colleague when I was in Texas might have been Marshall Crenshaw for all he loved the guy.

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    bemused says:


    Wow, that’s head smacking!

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    Immanentize says:

    A young woman law student who has certainly mastered the neo-hippie look asked me, “Why do those guys in Guantanamo get any rights at all?”. Like you say, maybe Hippies on the outside, but Birchers on the inside.

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    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho says:

    @Yutsano: Very late to this thread to wish you well. I hope they get it figured out and fixed in short order.
    And I will come out there and raise some hell with docs if required. That is an unacceptable level of care.

    @WereBear: Terrific news! I will be buying a copy.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Crap. After valiantly holding off visitors Manchester City for 54 minutes, Bournemouth concede and City lead by the one goal.

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    Baud says:

    @WaterGirl: Stories like that are why I get nervous whenever assume we are a majority.

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    CarolDuhart2 says:

    West Side: Price Hill et cetera: Catholic, Appalachian, more ethnic and working class in general.
    East Side: Jewish, more waspy, lot more African-Americans. Hyde Park (upper middle class)
    The Independent Duchy of Norwood (working class, the Ford Plant used to be here), city within an city, (Cincinnati has a lot of independent townships and such).

    People are surprised at our restaurants. We have a wide variety of them now in a variety of cuisines.

    Don’t forget Northern Kentucky right across the bridge for contemporary movies. (The Esquire in Clifton has art and independent movies.

    You will find us pretty friendly and willing to talk. Just ask questions.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Baud: We just need to be a statistically appropriate distribution of voters among the states for victory!

    Seriously, if we could get some of our policies rolling, we could move hearts and minds toward a solid majority. But, that there “IF.”

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @lamh36: That video is super cute, and the comments on that twitter thread make me hate humanity.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Barbara: I am trying to decide between Assholes! and Bastards! Neither one seems quite strong enough.

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    debbie says:


    I LOVE that song! “Your gal ain’t doodley squat!” I sing it at work and the kids just don’t get it.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @bemused: @Immanentize:

    Hippies on the outside, but Birchers on the inside.

    That says it all, doesn’t it?

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @CarolDuhart2: Lol. Don’t forget Warren and Butler counties, they took a lot of Tea-partiers off our hand too. There are still too many Republicans in my suburb for my taste but Blue Ash did vote for Hillary, so there’s that.

    Re: real estate prices. I guess it was back in the mid to late 1980s, my brother who lives in NYC came to visit me when I still lived in Clifton. I apologized that our day of sightseeing had to start with the bank.

    He didn’t mind the wait while I was on line because there was a real estate listing book. Remember those, before the internet, they were free newsprint magazines?

    His eyes popped out of his head at the prices, mere fractions of what similar places would go for on the east coast. He brought the book back home with him and showed it to everyone he knew. It was the eighth wonder of the world to him.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Baud: No kidding. Of course, I feel unsettled most of the time now, so I’m impressed that you can still identify the individual things that make you nervous. Life since Nov 2016 has been surreal; all the awful stuff that goes on every single fucking day is mind-boggling.

    I hope that in my next life I am not raised catholic so I will be able to say “Jesus fucking christ”, which my catholic upbringing does not allow me to say. It seems like it would be really cathartic to be able to say that.

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    Baud says:

    Another one. (The Atlantic)

    POLK CITY, Iowa—Sitting under a framed ticket from an old Obama town hall meeting, down in the basement of a farmhouse surrounded by snowy fields of corn and soybeans, I tell Michael Bennet that an Iowa Democrat who’d come to hear him speak compared him to pea soup. Good pea soup, hearty. But still pea soup, in a 2020 primary field that has sizzling fajitas and cake on the table.

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    @Baud: The conclusion I draw from that story is that you cannot judge a book by its cover. Most of the T loving people I know IRL are not working class at all but wealthier than average. Working class folks (even men) I know are at best ambivalent about T, if they don’t outright think he is a fraud.

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    Baud says:

    @Immanentize: It’ll always be a constant struggle. There will always be something new to deal with.


    You could try Judas Fucking Iscariot.

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    @Yutsano: {{{ }}} that’s rough. Hope you get a diagnosis soon and start feeling better.

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    Ruckus says:

    It’s a bitch when they don’t believe you or that the things that are happening are things they can’t see or measure and so they don’t/can’t do anything. Medicine has come a long way in the last 60 yrs, it still has a long way to go.
    It sounds like your things aren’t fun at all. Welcome to the club.
    Best of luck getting help and finding out what’s what and getting it fixed or at least mitigated. Hang in there, and wishing you well.

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    Raven says:

    @Immanentize: That mashup has Ava Gardner (the 4th woman on the right) and Tuesday Weld. Ever see Rita Hayworth to Stayin Alive?

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Barbara: On the other hand, doctors really do see a lot of people who are passing through their offices looking for opiates and other mind-altering meds.

    When my neighbors moved here from Michigan and the husband, a family practitioner, had just started seeing patients, a significant amount of the people he saw were there to check out whether the new doc in town would write them painkiller prescriptions. He wasn’t surprised, apparently it’s well known that comes with starting a new practice. Eventually the word gets out that you’re a party pooper and they leave you alone.

    Everyone needs a long-standing relationship with a smart primary care physician who is generous with writing referrals to specialists. At least that is my MO. Let the specialist rule out whatever it is I’ve made a preliminary diagnosis of (with the help of google). Most of the various dx’s the Ohio Family has were identified this way.

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    WaterGirl says:


    But still pea soup, in a 2020 primary field that has sizzling fajitas and cake on the table.

    Mmm, sizzling fajitas and cake. Sign me up, literally and figuratively.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Immanentize: I love Link Wray! He did the best version of “Batman”

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    CarolDuhart2 says:

    Yutsano, if you don’t already have one, call the number on the back of your health insurance card and get a PCP (Primary Care Physician). Great for initial exams, but the best part are the nurses who can help steer you through referrals and paperwork. And by the way, you may also want to get some FMLA paperwork ready. Whatever it is you are having, you may have several doctors appointments (specialists and pcp). FMLA also allows you to get advanced sick leave and even advanced annual). Also with a PCP, you may also have a nurse who can steer you through treatment issues, give you advice on whether or not to actually go to the hospital, refer you to a pharmacist and other options).

    The IRS also have their forms too-ask your manager, and also ask for a printout for accumulated leave as well.

    Priceless during the last few years of my work tenure.

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    WaterGirl says:


    Judas Fucking Iscariot!

    I will try that out this week and see how it feels.

    And I could add an extra “T” at the end as an extra sign of disrespect. That could work.

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    @Ohio Mom: I found ERs take chest pain very seriously, and it turned out to be the best place to go because they had equipment my primary care doc didn’t have (especially not at 4am). Most relevantly, they got blood test results within an hour and so knew for sure I was having a heart attack.

    I think acute care facilities take care of some stuff now but I don’t know what kind of hours they have.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Baud: Uh oh, TIME magazine needs to update their cover of non-Republican hopefuls peering through the Oval Office window at Trump’s backside.

    Nah, that’s why they stuck in one male and one female shoulder around the edges. Bennett is the one in the gray-blue suit on the upper right.

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    Ruckus says:

    That is an incredible link. The Marshall Project.
    Sounds like a good movie, in more than just entertainment.

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    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho says:

    @Marigold: Civic duty, the short version:
    Things to do:
    The National Underground Railroad Freedom Center – that would be on any list
    so would Krohn Consveratory which is very cool, and the Museum Center is worth visiting to see the gorgeous Art Deco Union Terminal.
    The American Sign Museum might not be but I love it.
    If the weather’s decent you might visit Spring Grove Arboretum – fair warning in case it would creep you out: while over 700 acres, it’s part of a cemetery. I have never encountered a clown in my many visits, however.

    Restaurant recommendations available in a later thread (work hours beckon) on request.

    As for living here – my views are complicated because I was raised here and ultimately returned/stayed for reasons that aren’t entirely clear. I spent a good deal of my adolescence and glory days traveling to many other places, which no doubt helps. So listen to some of the jackals who had to move here for a better perspective.

    There are a variety of types of places to live here, at many price points; the most interesting of which tend to be at the higher end, though not all are.

    Plus there’s a week to arrange a meet up if you’re game to get together with local jackals, since we’ll have a variety of local views. Also, too, Blue Ash is a real place.

    Fell free to ask Adam for my email to ping me off site and I can give you more details re:my opinion about the area.

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    Ruckus says:


    I’m sure you could teach her a lot about hard work.

    I’m seriously doubting that she’d learn anything positive. Especially about actual work.

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    Barbara says:

    @Ohio Mom: And if your pcp is on vacation and his back up is not interested in assessing your condition? Getting help when you wake up in the morning and can’t walk without assistance because of severe pain should not require a grand strategy. And I will say when something similar happened to my brother they did not let him just leave but made sure he made it to a place where he would be further evaluated.

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    raven says:

    @Ruckus: We really enjoyed it if that’s possible given the subject matter. I heard an interview with Wright and he emphasized how most off the people he met there never had a chance. He understands the need for punishment but if the cons do nothing but learn to survive it’s not doing anyone any good.

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    CarolDuhart2 says:

    @Barbara: The PCP in this scenario isn’t for the acute stuff: call 911 or a ride to the hospital for that. But after the initial emergency workup there needs to be a focal point for you as a whole-rest of your health, keeping track of meds, referrals to specialists and therapists. In any event, the more, the merrier in terms of what is going on. I mean, going to the specialist for a cold or some condition that aggravates whatever it is you have?

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Yes, for escalating emergencies, the ER is the place to be.

    And to be fair, it is sometimes hard for us non-medical people to correctly identify what is an escalating emergency — though some are obvious, such as severe trauma, chest pain, trouble breathing.

    If you’re not sure, you can always call your PCP and whoever is on call will tell you whether your circumstances merit the emergency room. We’ve done that a few times.

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    germy says:

    U.S. hits Venezuela with sanctions for blocking humanitarian aid— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) March 1, 2019

    The Irony. 🤦‍♀️— Lefty-Desiree McLeftyFace (@TinaDesireeBerg) March 2, 2019

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    @Ohio Mom: That’s true. I expected to be told it was just indigestion. Shows what I know.

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    NotMax says:


    Never cottoned much to Desi as an entertainer, however do appreciate that his success brought the cash and the cachet which begat Desilu Studios, which begat Star Trek.

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    Ruckus says:

    ERs are for fixing immediate problems. It’s not the seriousness of the problem it’s who is closest to dying and can we do anything about fixing that. For some there is also a bit of how much will this cost and can we recoup some of that. But while this issue may be emergent it is a problem that will take an in depth look with equipment that they probably don’t have and time they can’t spend. If you read the thread here, notice that bleeding is a major indicator of the ER issue. Cut an artery and they will help you soonest. Something like this or having a major life threatening infection from a procedure at that same hospital doesn’t rate anything special. We’d like to think it does but that’s just from the victims side.
    Also notice that I’m not saying this is right, just this is the way an ER works. I know I’ve spend enough time in ER waiting rooms to know. I once spent 1 1/2 hr in an ER waiting room and I was the only patient in the entire ER, not just the waiting room. They took an Xray and sent me on my way. $3500 total bill and my total interaction other than waiting was 10 minutes. One of the bills was for one dollar. For someone I never saw.

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    Paging Adam Silverman, paging Adam Silverman…

    Florida Man has so arrived he now has his own Top 10 list. A new “Analysis of the Florida Man” list explores “the tropes and behaviors of the World’s Worst Superhero.” The survey, released Thursday, was compiled by the folks at the Miami-based Injury Claim Coach, which pitches itself as a group of people who provide educational tools for people seeking guidance on personal injury claims and the settlement process.

    Complete with statistical breakdowns of the various Flori-duh Man tropes, and top-scoring Flori-duh Man articles, plus a section pondering “Florida Man and the Future.”

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    Yutsano says:

    @CarolDuhart2: I’m prepared for that. I go through the union. Somehow it just ends up working that way.

    Long rant incoming regarding how they finally decided to take me seriously.

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    debbie says:

    @Ohio Mom:

    Or go to urgent care if it’s outside of the doctor’s hours.

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    WaterGirl says:


    1. Extend citizenship to the more than one million Dreamers in this country. Not only those who are in our classrooms but those who are teaching in our classrooms; those who are keeping our country safe around the world tonight; those who contribute more to our communities than they’ll ever take.

    2. Give permanent legal protection and a path to citizenship to their parents, the original Dreamers.

    3. Bring millions more out of the shadows and on a path to citizenship by ensuring that they register with the government and gain status to legally work, pay taxes and contribute even more to our country’s success.

    4. Make us safer and more secure. Significantly reduce illegal drug trafficking and stop human trafficking by investing in infrastructure, technology and personnel at our ports of entry. The ports that connect us with Mexico are where the vast majority of everything and everyone that ever comes into our country crosses.

    5. Increase the visa caps so that we match our opportunities and needs (for work, for education, for investment, for innovation, for family reunification) to the number of people we allow into this country. Ensure that those who want to work in jobs that we can’t fill can legally come here and legally return to their home country.

    6. Fully accept our opportunity and responsibility under our asylum laws to welcome those whose own governments can no longer protect them — including women fleeing abusive relationships.

    7. Address visa overstays (which accounts for the majority of undocumented immigration) through better tracking of and notification to visa holders (a first step could be text message reminders) and fully harmonizing our entry-exit systems with Mexico and Canada (when a visa holder exits the U.S. and enters Mexico, we will then know that they have left the U.S.; currently, if they leave through a land port of entry we literally have no clue if they are still here or have returned to their country of origin).

    8. Make Latin America and specifically Central America a top foreign policy priority — stop relegating it to second-tier status — invest the time, talent and resources to assist in the development of the domestic institutions that will allow these countries to thrive and offer their citizens protection and economic opportunity. It is the only long-term solution to the number of asylum seekers and refugees coming to this country.

    9. End the global war on drugs. An imprisonment- and interdiction-first approach has not worked, has accelerated the erosion of civil society in much of Latin America and has militarized a public health issue to the detriment of all concerned.

    10. Speak with respect and dignity when referring to our fellow human beings who happen to be immigrants and asylum seekers, who in so many cases are doing exactly what we would do if presented with the same threats and opportunities. No more “invasions”, “animals”, “rapists and criminals”, “floods”, “crisis” — dehumanizing rhetoric leads to dehumanizing policies. We cannot sacrifice our humanity in the name of security — or we risk losing both.

    Signal your agreement here.

    Anyone see a problem with any of these? They look pretty good to me.

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    @Yutsano: Yikes! I hope they figure out what’s going on.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Immanentize: Then there’s Richard Thompson’s “Little Blue Number”.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:
    We heard Maxine speak at an LA march.
    Maxine is no proper lady. Or she was really pissed off. But she’s past the point of niceness for it’s own sake and that’s a good thing.
    In case it’s not obvious, I LIKE Maxine. She’s my kind of politician. She’d make a great jackal.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Yutsano: Echoing all the best wishes for a speedy diagnosis and recovery! WTF?! Every ER turned you away or something? I can’t understand it.

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    Marigold says:

    Kathleen, Ohio Mom, CarolDuhart, thank you so much! I’m gobsmacked, but grateful, that you would offer to host someone that you’ve barely met. I think we’ll be okay this time, but if this becomes more serious, I would appreciate making a couple friends.

    We grew up outside the Rubber Capital of the World and have lived various places in northern Ohio since we’ve been married. No kiddos, but I will post a picture of our dog in a later Open Thread as a thank you. Given his resume, I was expecting Cleveland, Detroit, Pittsburgh; and there may be a good match back home through a headhunter. He applied jokingly to a place that could be a dream job for my bourbon nerd, and they called him back that day! So things got real very quickly.

    I think I have the basis for a pretty nice trip, and I guess I’ll just have to see what next weekend brings.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @CarolDuhart2: Yes, say you have a serious lung condition, contacting your pulmonologist (with whom you have a longstanding relationship) when you have a cold may be the thing to do, even as the rest of us should just stay home and eat chicken soup.

    It seems to me this overall discussion is confused because we (not just you and me, everyone chiming in) are talking about very different things. Some things are emergencies, and sudden severe symptoms are red flags.

    If the ER disagrees with you and deems your symptoms not an emergency, you still need to follow-up on your own, and the place to start is with your PCP. If your PCP is not helpful, maybe you need a new PCP. No one is going to convince me there is no place for a PCP.

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    germy says:

    @Sister Golden Bear:

    Donald Glover did an amusing examination of Florida Man:

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    WereBear says:

    @WaterGirl: Thanks! I will past that on to the Art Director, Mr. WereBear.

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    Yutsano says:

    So what did it take?

    Thing the first: me falling in my apartment unconscious and unable to be aroused. My dad had to call an ambulance and break down my door. They couldn’t wake me until a nurse was thumping my chest hard. They took a few tests and diagnosed rhabdomyolysis. I was feeling better a couple of days after that but the other issue I was having which was increased weakness and numbness wasn’t. I put my foot down. I said in no uncertain terms am I leaving this hospital until I know what’s wrong with me. The problem is they need to do an MRI and I can’t have that because of my spinal cord stimulator.

    Then an absolute GENIUS of a spinal surgeon came up with an idea: amyelogram. But that couldn’t be done at the facility I was at so I hit up yet another hospital. Now waiting on the test

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    My checkbook balanced to the penny, wtf is happening to me. Is this real or some bizarre dream.

    Awesome puppy video, most days it seems our time is better spent chasing a ball in the snow than doing almost anything else we do.

    @Yutsano: Yowza, I hope this path goes to your wishes. Ringing up Gaia and the FSM to intervene.

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    The Midnight Lurker says:

    @Sister Golden Bear:

    Florida Man has so arrived he now has his own Top 10 list.

    OMG! This is awesome! The FloriDUH man breakdown. Thank you, thank you for posting this.

    I love that the number one hallmark is a mug shot. #2 is a street address. HA-HA!

    Now if we can get someone to do the the Texas version.

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    debbie says:


    As someone who lives alone, that is very scary. Hope the test uncovers the cause, like immediately.

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    The Midnight Lurker says:

    Trump is live at CPAC. He’s in his element. The crowd loves him. I think I’ll be sick.

    Berne is in Brooklyn at a campaign rally.

    My screens runneth over.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Yutsano: I hope you got that spinal surgeon’s business card. Don’t let a smart one get away.

    Thanks for the update.

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    Brachiator says:

    Thanks for the update.

    I hope you get better.

    Continued good wishes.

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    Ruckus says:

    They do this differently in many parts of Europe and it works better. Not as excessive lengths of sentence, more humane treatment of prisoners, etc, etc and while you still have repeat offenders the goal is to end the shitty path, not extend it. A lot of time it’s just opportunity, having some or none. If you have none you have to take what you can find and that’s usually not a legal situation. And most of us continue down any road that gives us something even approaching opportunity, even if it’s a shitty road not worth traveling. And once you’ve gone down that road long enough, you know the language, customs, pitfalls, accommodations, etc, no mater if that road is criminal, it becomes the only road one sees, especially if that is reenforced by the system that it’s immersed in. We need to introduce intersections in that road, not roadblocks. Intersections are opportunities to change, to grow, and yes to prosper. Not everyone will take them but if they don’t exist no one will.

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    Brachiator says:

    @The Midnight Lurker:

    Trump is live at CPAC. He’s in his element. The crowd loves him. I think I’ll be sick.

    This is like therapy after the failure of his foreign policy trip. Trump loves basking in adulation. It really fires him up.

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    Anotherlurker says:

    @CarolDuhart2: I enjoyed the time I spent in Cincinnati. However, I am at a loss to explain the lack of real Italian bread at DeRose’s (???? unsure of name) Italian Restauaunt. Their sauce was excellent. However, when I asked for bread, they brought me sliced white bread, not the crusty, seeded magnificence that I grew up with, that, for me, defines real Italian Bread.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @BruceFromOhio: Can you come over and do my checkbook next?

    @Marigold: I know nothing about bourbon but I do believe there are a couple of bars here specializing in it. We could do a meet-up at one of them if you decide to take our offer up.

    Good luck to Mr. Marigold with his job hunt, and no more lurking! Keep commenting!

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    @CarolDuhart2: And beer. Plenty of good beer..

    Loves me some MadTree, Rhinegeist.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Ohio Mom:

    If your PCP is not helpful, maybe you need a new PCP. No one is going to convince me there is no place for a PCP.

    I don’t understand why anyone would choose not to have a PCP.

    OTOH I have read that some people deliberately use ERs for medical care, believing that they will then always have access to the top doctors and best care.

    It’s perverse logic, but somewhat understandable.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @WereBear: Just put in my Amazon cart for my daughter’s birthday this month.

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    spudgun says:

    @Yutsano: jeezus!! I’m sorry you had to go through all that just to be seen!! I hope they find what’s going on ASAP. Virtual hugs–

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Anotherlurker: LaRosa’s is a old local chain and yes, they are lacking in the bread department. Rest assured, you can get real Italian bread elsewhere in Cincinnati.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Ohio Mom:
    My primary got me started down the cancer treatment road. I had no obvious symptoms, I had no idea. 4+ yrs later I’m in remission.
    I’ve had 6 different primaries at the VA, everyone of them served a very valuable place in the health care system for me. None of them were doctors, they have been Nurse Practitioners or something to that effect. Your first line contact with the medical profession. I was told by my doc almost 50 yrs ago that the then old time family doc would be going away and we’d have screeners to direct us to specialists and take care of minor issues.
    He was exactly right, this is the role that a primary plays.

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    Marigold says:

    @Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: Thank you too! (I started writing before you had replied.) The sign museum looks really interesting! And I appreciate getting a feel from the area from locals. I’ve been told, “no, you really don’t want to live in X location” by realtors every time we’ve moved, and I wasn’t always confident enough to insist.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Brachiator: They are wrong. ER is its own discipline, dedicated to triage and stabilizing patients. Not at all the same as following patients with conditions you know about in great detail.

    If you are a top doctor, you are not hanging around the ER with the random hodgepodge. You are in your office seeing a carefully curated series of interesting cases.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Ruckus: Exactly. There have been a number of times I’ve shown my PCP something and she has shrugged and said, go (full in the blank).

    Then I go wherever and that medical professional takes a quick look at says what it is and what we have to do. The next time I see my PCP, she is glad we have checked that off and we go on from there.

    I don’t need my PCP to know everything, I only need her to take me seriously and have good specialists in her Rolodex.

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    @Baud: Who is the split pea soup?

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    Barbara says:

    @Brachiator: Are you kidding? First, it can actually be hard to find a pcp who is open to non-concierge patients. Second, if you are under a certain age there is no reason to think you need a doctor, until you do. Third, there are people who find it immensely difficult to justify taking time off from an hourly wage job just to get a check up and have a pcp on speed dial. Seriously, those are the top 3 and that is before we tackle language and other cultural barriers (what if you have to take the bus or don’t speak English?). The chasm between consumer need and industry self-perception is practically unbridgeable when it comes to non-life threatening medical problems that nonetheless need attention and follow up.

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    Steeplejack says:

    Trump at CPAC today (Daniel Dale filtered version).

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    Haroldo says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    I think his Pink Cadillac and Aretha’s were the best Springsteen covers ever



    @Amir Khalid: Yes — great covers. For me, The Band’s cover of Atlantic City is way up there too.

    Very good covers, indeed, but I’d put Manfred Mann’s Earth Band’s version of Blinded by the Light is a joy to behold, too.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Barbara: Don’t make excuses for them, look at how they treated Yutsie.
    I have a grudge against ERs that send people home without a careful look and that is what this sounds like to me.
    My dad at 94 was sent home three times and my sis was told to just keep him hydrated, that his diarrhea would pass soon enough, without listening to Dad telling them it had been over a week by the third visit. My sister is not very forceful and Dad was too weak to fight them. The fourth time he went in, about 24 hours later, his doctor happened to be there and had him admitted immediately. He died a few weeks later after surgery to repair a perforated colon that was the result of a cascading failure of almost every care giver over that period, including the hospital but not the surgeons or anyone after that, 4 days after the surgery. There was nothing else wrong with Dad. He was very healthy for a man his age: weight, BP, cholestrol, and everything else in the good range.

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    tybee says:

    when being ignored in an emergency room and you feel you’re in dire need of immediate assistance, three magic words will get you help: possible cardiac event.

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    CaseyL says:

    @Yutsano: JFC. Rhabdomyolysis is pretty fucking scary all by itself; please update us when you have more info!

    Hope you get finest kind treatment, and soon!

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    Ruckus says:

    What you wrote is true.
    And you knew there would be a but. The system has a few issues, more than any of us are going to cover. Actually you covered numerous systems that should interact but fail to do so reasonably. Not everyone is covered. Going to a doctor is often far more expensive than just the medical bills. Many people don’t have access or ability to pay the often extreme and also often lopsided costs. But we have laws about ER access because that is often the only access people have to medicine. An ER could be the thing that a lot of people think it is, first line access to the medical profession. That’s not what the medical profession thinks it is but that is what a lot of users think it is mainly for the reasons we’ve just covered. This country seems to consider healthcare as insurance. But of course insurance isn’t healthcare, it’s a way to pay for it. They really are two separate issues. Even if we as a country paid all the medical bills of everyone, completely out of taxes, you’d still have a supply problem. The healthcare system is built around the healthcare insurance business. Money is the dominate issue, not healthcare. That is a discussion we as a country need to have. But we won’t because money is the answer to every question here. Not need, not how, not even what or when, it’s always how do we pay for it first and foremost. And if that cost is seen as too much then no other questions are ever asked. Some of that is linked to the ridiculous question of “those people” and what they deserve.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @WereBear: I hope you pay your art director what he’s worth!

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    WaterGirl says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Who is buried in Grant’s tomb? (Hint: the answer is in Baud’s original post.)

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    Brachiator says:


    Are you kidding?

    No. I’m not kidding. And yeah, we can reel off all the supposed difficulties, but this still doesn’t make using the ER as your first choice primary care option reasonable.

    In California, urgent care facilities have popped up all over the place despite the success of Covered California, Medi-Cal and other insurance options.

    And again, my original observation was about people who probably can easily find a primary care physician who think that tying up ER personnel gets them first rate medical care. Some of these people are also in good financial shape, but slow pay or skip out on emergency room billing, easier to do when billing comes after treatment.

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    NotMax says:


    Who is buried in Grant’s tomb?

    Trick question.

    No one. It’s a crypt, the bodies are entombed above ground.


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    Brachiator says:

    I like option 1 of the immigration ideas. Not sure about the rest as stated here. But it’s a start.

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    J R in WV says:


    A young woman law student who has certainly mastered the neo-hippie look asked me, “Why do those guys in Guantanamo get any rights at all?”. Like you say, maybe Hippies on the outside, but Birchers on the inside.

    Well, the Socratic technique would tell us to ask the young bircher / MAGAt “Why do you think we call them “Human Rights?” Because all humans have them, all the time, regardless of their criminal status!” This is why death row convicts get lawyers for their appeals.

    But more seriously, just tell her to take a flying fuck at that chainsaw, no intellect there to learn from Socrates! I hate Nazis in hiding as real human beings!

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    CaseyL says:

    I was just a bit too young to be a hippie, and for decades I really regretted that. I loved what seemed to be the hippie credo, love and peace and brotherhood.

    But over the last many years, I’ve been rethinking that – mostly because it’s obvious to me that the right wing resurgence comes from much the same anti-authority impulse. It has occurred to me that anti-authoritarianism is a kind of reflex, and the actual merits of opposing or supporting a particular authority are glosses that get retrofitted onto “the movement.”

    I now don’t think the “old hippies” were so much anti-war as they were anti-authority. Authority happened to be telling them to go fight a war, so they were against the war. Authority was also telling them to grow up, get a job, and be like their parents. So they were against that, too – not necessarily for any high-minded reasons, but because they didn’t want to be told what to do or what kind of life to have.

    The high-minded reasons came later, courtesy of people who really had thought about it, and really did have philosophical foundations for their positions. But those were far and away the minority of the hippie movement. If you see what the vast majority of the hippies made of their surroundings and their lives, it doesn’t look very pretty. For every commune that survived and prospered, there must be five that were little more than white trash slums.

    There are still some old hippies, and many of them live the lives they claimed to stand for: communitarian, loving, peaceful. But it seems to me an awful lot of also became survivalists, conspiracy nuts, and stand-your-ground types – and slid very smoothly into the Right Wing movement.

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    J R in WV says:


    Good friend of ours who worked in the government side of health care recommended visiting an Urgent Care facility, so they could forward you to the ER in an ambulance, which gets you seen asap in the ER.

    Yutsano, your symptoms sound like issues I have had with compressed nerve issues in the past. I still have minor problems, sometimes wake up at night with numb/painful hands, which sounds like a contradiction, but numbness due to nerve impingement is not pain free, quite the contrary.

    My first event was nearly 40 years ago when my legs went numb in a kayak doing white water on New River. When I saw the family doctor Monday morning, he diagnosed the issue as muscle spasms in my lower back, causing the nerves to be pinched. Later on there was quite a bit of pain in my lower back as well.

    Also sounds like you need an alert device you can use to call for help by pressing the bright red button. The Fire Department is qualified and authorized to break down doors and transport an immobile patient to the ER, and there too you get quick attention from the ER staff.

    I had forgotten about your spinal stimulator device, hope that isn’t part of your larger issue. Best of luck. We’re all with you, you know that!!

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @CaseyL: Spot on.

    From another who wanted to grow up to be a hippie but it was all over by then.

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    J R in WV says:

    I know hippies aged from mid 70s to 19 y o. So you guys weren’t too late at all. Many of my hippy friends worked hard building houses, barns, bridges, sewers and water lines, etc. Many of us are disabled from the hard work. Others still milk goats and make organic cheeses.

    And Faux Hippies who turned into right wing nut jobs aren’t any stranger than Boy Scouts who turn out that way. Same for Harvard graduates and dropouts!

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