Tuesday Morning Open Thread: Reasons for Hope

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    John Brennan on Maddow: he expects to see indictment(s) of Trump’s immediate family as Mueller’s final act.

    A amn can dream, can’t he?

    Blech

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    Jay says:

    No objections Anne,

    Other than it’s the Book of Faces.

    Thanx.

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    Jay says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Yur up early, wassup?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Jay: I am nearly always up this early. 35 year habit. Plus I really like the quiet.

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    Jay says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Blech to you too,

    I stay up late. Sleep late,

    With cats.

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    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning, Everyone 😄😄😄

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Hope is a good thing — maybe the best thing. (Wasn’t that a line in “Shawshank Redemption,” one of a handful of movies that is better than the book on which it was based?) In any case, thanks for a morning thread that is chock-full of hope! :)

    Speaking of which, this old dog is trying to learn a new trick: drinking my coffee black. I first became addicted to coffee as a child by swiping my mother’s morning cuppa joe every time she set a mug on a table and turned her back. Mom drank her cream and sugar with a little coffee, and for a long time, I did too. I gave up the sugar several years back to be more virtuous.

    Now I’m giving up the splash of half-and-half on a trial basis, mostly for the convenience. I’m forever running out of it, and now that I live in a howling wilderness, I can’t just run to the corner store for another carton. We’ll see how it goes.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Jay: I sleep with a 100# Lab. If he lets me. He usually hogs all the covers.

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    raven says:

    @Betty Cracker: Bohdi had his teeth cleaned yesterday and he’s still a little shaky this morning. No walk for him!

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    WereBear says:

    @Betty Cracker: i never cracked that one. But condensed milk is not a viable solution, I might as well grab a recap off the highway and let it soak in my cofee.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Proof that too much money can make one stupid: BeetleJuice could face contempt charge over ‘inaccurate’ Tesla tweet

    The US financial regulator has asked a judge to hold Tesla’s billionaire boss BeetleJuice in contempt of court for tweeting misleading information in breach of a deal that saw him fined $20m for inaccurate tweets last year. The Securities and Exchange Commission said Juice had “once again published inaccurate and material information about Tesla to his over 24 million Twitter followers”, according to court papers filed on Monday night.
    …………………………………
    The SEC said Juice had “did not seek or receive pre-approval prior to publishing this tweet, which was inaccurate and disseminated to over 24 million people”. Under the terms of a deal agreed with the regulator in October, all of Juice’s public communication – including tweets – must be approved by Tesla’s lawyers in advance.

    Tesla conceded that Juice did not receive pre-approval for the tweets, but said that he didn’t need to as the statements were based on information the company made public weeks earlier in an earnings call with analysts. The company said its lawyer monitor Juice’s Twitter account and saw the 19 February tweet, and met with Musk at the Tesla factory to draft a tweet to clarify the original one.

    My initial reaction was, “OK SEC, he screwed up a little, but will ya lighten up some? And then I read this:

    Since agreeing the settlement, BeetleJuice has repeatedly mocked the SEC. In a tweet in October he dubbed the agency the “Shortseller Enrichment Commission”. In December he told CBS that no one at the company was approving his tweets despite the settlement, and said:“I want to be clear, I do not respect the SEC. I do not respect them.”

    OK, fuck that shit. Fine him for a few billion. Maybe that will get his attention.

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    Raven says:

    @Betty Cracker: I gave up artificial sweeteners about a month ago. I don’t feel any different but I do see how much sweeter that stuff is than the little bit of sugar I’m putting in my coffee.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @raven: Poor guy! Our elderly boxer Daisy is still recovering from the weekend house party. She followed people up and down the stairs dozens of times per day, and it wore her out.

    @WereBear: Agreed — it’s grotesque.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Raven: I never could abide artificial sweeteners of any kind. You’d think, given the ginormous payday that awaits the person who finally creates an artificial sweetener that tastes exactly like sugar and behaves like it in recipes, such a product would have been invented ages ago. Sadly nah. One of the presidential contenders should make a fake sugar “moon shot” a campaign goal. Millions would stampede to her banner!

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @WereBear: Don’t let him know I told you this, but the Spousal Unit keeps a little emergency backup can of dulce de leche to use in his morning tea if he runs out of half-and-half. Since he usually adds 7 or 8 packets of aspartame, the sweetness doesn’t spoil it for him…

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    Raven says:

    @Betty Cracker: I miss my fresca!

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    TS (the original) says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    drinking my coffee black

    I grew up in a family that never drank coffee. First time I tried it was at college & we couldn’t afford milk – so I drank it black. By far the best way to get a caffeine hit – hope it suits you.

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    Immanentize says:

    Good morning All!
    I was a tea drinker until I finished college. Then, straight to espresso and black coffee. Which I am sipping right now.

    @Raven: meanwhile — Fresca still exists. But I don’t think TAB does.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Paul Manafort seeks leniency from judge as he faces life in prison

    Paul Manafort, the longtime political consultant who once led Donald Trump’s presidential campaign, asked a federal judge for leniency Monday as he faces the potential of spending the rest of his life in prison in criminal cases stemming from the Russia investigation.

    In a new court filing, Manafort’s attorneys painted the 69-year-old as a victim of circumstance, prosecuted by special counsel Robert Mueller only because the government could not make the case that he colluded with the Kremlin’s interference in the 2016 presidential election. They also dismissed the prosecutors’ characterization of Manafort as a hardened criminal, saying he was merely a wealthy consultant who committed “garden variety” crimes by illegally lobbying for Ukrainian interests and hiding millions from the IRS.

    Monday’s filing comes as the defense attorneys have sought to contain the fallout from the unraveling of Manafort’s plea deal this month.

    Oh yes, “garden variety” crimes, like speeding, illegal parking, or dawg forbid, shoplifting….

    “Mr. Manafort has been punished substantially, including the forfeiture of most of his assets,” the lawyers said. “In light of his age and health concerns, a significant additional period of incarceration will likely amount to a life sentence for a first time offender.

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,…… gasp…… wheeze…. A decades long crime spree being brought to an end only when the serial offender who couldn’t stop offending even after he finally got caught, and his lawyers describe him as a “first time offender”.

    The chutzpah is rich with these lawyers.

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    plato says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: It would be lovely karma if the traitorous thugs gets shitcanned for life due to the arrogance of his shithead lawyers.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Raven:. ZOMG, can’t be killed, huh? Tab and Fresca were the staple soft drinks in my Uncle Luke’s home. I liked Fresca, hated Tab.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Raven: I haven’t seen Tab in forever. We can still get Fresca at the Walmart so long as we get to the 6-12 bottles before anybody else.

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    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho says:

    @Raven: Don’t we all? Hope Bohdi gets his legs under him.

    @Immanentize: Morning, twin. I never figured out how anyone could stand the taste of TAB. Of course it can’t be killed.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Y’all ever tried Squirt soda? That’s what Fresca is trying to taste like, in its pathetic no-sugar/no-HFCS way.

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    Raven says:

    @Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: I still have a couple of cans, we split one every night for years. Now we’ve dumped that and the “no sugar added” fudge pops! Yasso frozen yogurt seems better but it’s expensive and I’m sure we’ll find out it’s really bad too! To think I used to compare thai stick and cambodian red! How the mighty have fallen.

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    Raven says:

    @Betty Cracker: No grapefruit with Statins!

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    Immanentize says:

    @Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho:
    Hey! I’m going to ping you later when I get in to the office….

    ETA. Time to move the Immp to the train. One more cup of coffee and for the road … to the valley below.

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    MomSense says:

    @Raven:

    I happen to have a bottle of Fresca in my fridge. I bought some tonic water and Fresca last week to bring to some friends who gave up drinking while he is recovering from surgery. They had a taste test and decided tonic water with lime. So now I’m sipping a little Fresca on a lot of ice in the evenings.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @plato: Defense lawyers aren’t in general known for the high quality of their clients (tho these defense lawyers are known for the high quality of their clients bank accounts) but if the system is gonna work, they are necessary.

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    MagdaInBlack says:

    @Immanentize:
    Tab does indeed. I have a friend who drinks nothing else.
    She somehow found it while living in Illinois, Florida and now, N Carolina.

    *brown sugar in my coffee.

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    Barbara says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: I wouldn’t use the term “garden variety” crime in front of any judge, but especially not Ellis or Jackson. That is unbelievable.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Betty Cracker: My wife will drink Squirt when we can’t get Fresca.

    @Raven: I’m grapefruit juice junkie, just one sip and I’ll drink the whole damned half gallon. I just can’t help myself. I have a half gal can in the pantry that has been there for years. I can’t drink it, but throwing it away would be like tossing the last few doses of smack..

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Barbara: It cracked me up.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    As I’ve been saying:

    Charges reportedly being prepared by state and local prosecutors could not be wiped away by a presidential pardon, and a slate of sealed indictments have already been filed in Washington, D.C., that could involve individuals in the president’s inner circle.

    “If anyone in Trump world is breathing easy right now, I’d say they are very foolish,” said Shanlon Wu, a defense lawyer who has represented former Trump deputy campaign chairman Rick Gates.

    rawstory

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    MagdaInBlack says:

    @Betty Cracker:
    Drank gin and Squirt in high school…..😋

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @MagdaInBlack: This is going to sound awful, but I swear it’s good: shot of tequila, squeeze of lime and Squirt on the rocks. A friend who had that drink while vacationing in Mexico made me try it, and I had to admit it is tasty and refreshing.

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    French roast coffee, black, is the only way to get the true coffee experience.

    I have a dentist appointment this morning, so blech

    For Raven:

    I want the Twilight Zone where as soon as Trump touches Vietnamese soil it’s 1968 and he’s a buck private.— Schooley (@Rschooley) February 25, 2019

    ETA: Had to edit that. I pasted the wrong tweet first

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    NotMax says:

    @OzarkHillbilly

    Anyone else remember both Tab root beer and Tab ginger ale?

    @Betty Cracker

    Welcome to the wonderful, fragrant world of honest to goodness coffee drinking.

    @Raven

    Yes to the boxed product. I use so little milk that any regular, refrigerated version inevitably goes bad. Having it available in one cup portions is super convenient when it comes to tasks like baking.

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    CliosFanboy says:

    @Betty Cracker: Squirt and Fesca are both good. Yum.

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    NotMax says:

    @OzarkHillbilly

    Lurve me the ruby red grapefruit juice.

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    CliosFanboy says:

    @MagdaInBlack: Mountain Dew and Peppermint Schnaps. :)

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    debbie says:

    Between drinking ginger tea every evening and diet Canada Dry as needed, I guess I’m addicted to ginger.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Did any of y’all see the Sanders town hall on CNN last night? We didn’t watch it, but I’ve seen a couple of clips on Twitter today. This one about the tax returns, lord help us…

    Given that House Democrats are making Trump’s tax returns a centerpiece of their oversight objectives, it’s flat-out unacceptable for a Democratic primary candidate to withhold his or her returns. Seriously, the DNC should tell Sanders to cough them up by April 15th or hit the road, Jack.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Betty Cracker: Every single other DEM running is gonna make it an issue, continuing to hold them back will become untenable for Wilmer.

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    snoey says:

    @Betty Cracker: Given the overall quality of his staff work, I’m betting he can’t find them.

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    Lapassionara says:

    Good morning, everyone. Is today Michael Cohen testimony day?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff (D-CA) on Monday criticized comments from Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who said earlier in the day — without citing special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe specifically — that “if we aren’t prepared to prove our case beyond a reasonable doubt in court, then we have no business making allegations against American citizens.”

    “This double standard won’t cut it,” Schiff, who’s threatened to subpoena Mueller’s final report, said.

    Rosenstein’s comments could mean he believes special counsel Robert Mueller’s report ought not be made public if Mueller determines Trump should not be charged with a crime.

    However, in 2016, then-FBI Director James Comey publicly discussed Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server while simultaneously recommending against criminal charges for Clinton.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @Betty Cracker: Post about that scheduled lunchtime-ish, if you wanna look out for it. Title on the dashboard probly tells you all ya wanna know!

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    Another Scott says:

    @snoey: Can’t he just request them from the IRS?

    Why yes, tax returns are available from IRS for a fee.

    Wilmer making excuses? Unpossible.

    Cheers,
    Scot.

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    Princess says:

    I had to laugh when I saw that Bernie is planning to hold his big “I learned all about race at the University of Chicago” event at Navy Pier. Nave Pier, in its modern incarnation, was basically designed so tourists can roam freely in Chicago without ever having to worry they might encounter black people.

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning.

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    Kay says:

    This is about the Sanders share of primary the vote that came from conservative Democrats, Republicans and Independents.

    Nate Silver calls them “Never Hillary” voters, and they are- they didn’t vote for her in the primary or the general, but they’re not liberal. He wonders whether they go to a moderate this time (Klobachur, or one of the governors). Since there was only one alternative to Clinton, Sanders ended up with the people both Left of Clinton and Right of Clinton. Do they stick with Sanders if there’s one or more genuine moderates in the race?

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    Baud says:

    @Betty Cracker: Maybe they’re still being audited.

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    Baud says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Another victim in the misguided War on Unregistered Foreign Lobbyists.

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    Raven says:

    @Lapassionara: Private today

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    Unpossible. Every Sanders voter is a true believer in the Revolution ®.

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    Raven says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: I wouldn’t have wanted that fucker anywhere near me. Ever heard of a blanket party?

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    Jeffro says:

    John Brennan on Maddow: he expects to see indictment(s) of Trump’s immediate family as Mueller’s final act.

    Absolutely, just as many of us here have said for…geez, has it been years already? Whew.

    He’ll indict Jared for conspiracy against the US and money laundering; Jr for conspiracy and tax evasion; Erik Prince for conspiracy; and he will note a dozen indictable instances of trumpov himself obstructing justice*. Over to you, Congress…

    *I can’t be the only BJer who wants to get a pool going, amirite?

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Anne Laurie: Will look out for that. When I first saw the above clip, I wondered if I was watching a rerun of a 2016 clip — same hand-waving excuses, same vague “Jane is handling it” cop-out.

    FTR, I think Sanders hides his tax returns because they show his last run opened up the money spigots early in the 2016 primary for himself and his wife and made them millionaires, which is so very off-brand. I also noticed that he dropped the word “millionaires” from his standard stump speech decrying the influence of “millionaires and billionaires” on politics.

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    Kay says:

    Sanders bragged about his share of the Independent and crossover Republican vote in the primary, with the assumption that those people had been convinced to go Left of Clinton. But many of them were more conservative than Clinton, not less. The Republican cross over voters definitely were and Sanders share of them increased after it became clear Trump was the GOP nominee. Essentially there were “Never Trump AND Never Hillary” Independents or Republicans. If there’s a genuine moderate Democrat in the race (and there is, and there will be others) don’t they go with the moderate?

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Lapassionara:

    Public testimony is tomorrow.

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    germy says:

    Michael Cohen is planning on portraying President Trump in starkly negative terms when he testifies Wednesday before a House committee, and on describing what he says was Trump's use of racist language, lies about his wealth and possible criminal conduct https://t.co/by77q6y4qm— The New York Times (@nytimes) February 26, 2019

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    @Raven: I’m gonna guess not the kind you mean.

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    germy says:

    @Betty Cracker: I’ve always assumed Bernie hides his tax returns because he is ashamed of how wealthy he is, while Trump hides his tax returns because he is ashamed of how… little wealth he has.

    Both realities fly against the narratives they’ve crafted about themselves.

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    rikyrah says:

    Why am I getting dust 😪😪
    Yeah… just dust 😪😪

    https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1099152618943705088

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    Depends. There was a certain white identity lurking underneath his 2016 run too.* We’ll see if he can recapture that.

    *With his older voters. His youth vote was more diverse and based more on his anti-Establishment slogans.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    French roast coffee, black,

    Two of the reasons my son-in-law gave for being seriously interested in my daughter’s affections were that she drinks her coffee black and she knows how to drive a stick.

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    The Golux says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    …this old dog is trying to learn a new trick: drinking my coffee black.

    I did the same 40 years ago, eliminating the sugar first, as you did. That part was easy; just keep reducing until it tastes better without it. The only way to stop taking cream was to go cold turkey. I always hated milk in coffee (other than cafe au lait). It took about a year before I enjoyed an unaccompanied cup of black coffee as much as I had one with cream. However, drinking black coffee comes with these two ancillary benefits:

    1. Black coffee is far superior as a counterpoint to something sweet, like the perfect pairing of wine and cheese.

    2. The waiter can refill your cup without messing up your mix.

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    Raven says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: “A blanket party is a form of corporal punishment or hazing conducted within a peer group, most frequently within the military or military academies. The victim (usually asleep in bed) is restrained by having a blanket flung over him and held down, while other members of the group strike the victim repeatedly with improvised flails, most often a sock or bath towel containing something solid, such as a bar of soap, or another rolled up sock. Other weapons which could be used were entrenching tools or a bunk adapter (a piece of pipe used to connect a bunk bed to another). Blows to the head were avoided, as these would likely be both fatal and leave injuries visible to authorities.

    Kitchen scrub brushes were sometimes used, although these were more often employed during “G.I. scrubs” for soldiers with poor personal hygiene.”

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    Baud says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Not sure I’d be brave enough to broach the second topic with my father-in-law.

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    rikyrah says:

    Scott Simpson (@RemediesPodcast) Tweeted:
    Bill Jenkins has died.

    You may not recognize his name, but in the 60’s he tried to stop the unethical, racist and harmful Tuskegee Syphilis ‘research’.

    #PACE ‘research’ can be mentioned in the same breath as Tuskegee. #ME

    https://t.co/F2y5wKggyh https://twitter.com/RemediesPodcast/status/1100373959038697472?s=17

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    It’s a good analysis!
    We should have realized it too. It makes perfect sense that there were a share of Michigan Democratic and Independent voters who were more conservative than Clinton, or, just loathed Clinton but are in fact quite moderate so would be Klobachur types.
    That made the difference for him in quite a few states. That group. I wonder if HE knows it. I bet he does.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Betty Cracker: He bought a $600k vacation house and paid cash for it. Do the math.

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    2016 was about the privilege to hate. No two ways about it.

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    MomSense says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    I especially liked the part where he told the woman who quoted his exact response to sexual harassment in his campaign that she was taking his comment out of context and then just be crabby to her for the rest of his answer.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Baud: Standard transmission. You have a dirty mind for 8:00 am.

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    germy says:

    I want to express my enthusiasm for a great new book I’m reading:

    FARMING WHILE BLACK
    by Leah Penniman

    Here are some of the chapters:

    Introduction: Black Land Matters

    Planning Your Farm Business

    Honoring The Spirits Of The Land

    Restoring Degraded Land/Feeding The Soil

    Seed Keeping/Raising Animals

    Urban Farming

    Cooking And Preserving

    Healing From Trauma

    White People Uprooting Racism

    The book is full of information, recipes, photos. I love this book

    http://www.soulfirefarm.org/me.....ile-black/

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    Melusine says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    😂😂😂 Beetlejuice! Perfect!

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    MomSense says:

    @Kay:

    Feingold losing in Wisconsin should make it pretty clear those voters weren’t looking for a more progressive candidate than Clinton.

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    I’m pleased people are playing around with Bernie’s chances like a normal candidate. That’ll happen now that he’s one of a field. There was this weird woo woo around him- things would just magically..happen – divine intervention and..he wins Michigan! Makes much more sense to me that it was 12% cranky old Michigan Democrats who were Trump-curious but too set in their ways to go that far :)

    That’s like an actual voter ID in OH, MI, PA. “Cranky Old Democrats” :) It’s 10%, ROUGHLY.

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    Baud says:

    @MomSense:

    his exact response to sexual harassment in his campaign

    “I’m grateful to have this excuse to once again avoid voting against Russia”?

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    @Raven: I can imagine Trump provoking that.

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    There was this weird woo woo around him- things would just magically..happen – divine intervention 

    Did you not witness the bird? The bird, Kay. How can you deny the bird?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Jeffro: Just “garden variety” “process” crimes, which everybody knows aren’t real crimes.

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    rikyrah says:

    Uh huh 😒
    Uh huh 😒

    So, Bernie lost it at the Town hall?

    https://twitter.com/AngryBlackLady/status/1100222116278849536

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    Kristine says:

    @Betty Cracker: I loved Squirt as a kid. Bit of a tang, and soft carbonation. Haven’t had it in ages because I avoid sugary soda now.

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    germy says:

    I hope and believe that every Democratic candidate will come together after the nominee is selected and make sure Donald Trump is not re-elected. I hope I am the nominee, but if I’m not, I certainly pledge to do that. #SandersTownHall— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) February 26, 2019

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    Baud says:

    @germy:

    Meh. He uses surrogates. He avoids getting his own hands dirty.

    Also, too

    after the nominee is selected

    This means he won’t stop until the convention again.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Kay:

    I bet he does.

    Not me. It’s all about him.

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    germy says:

    In New York, Governor Cuomo has proposed free child care for single parents pursuing a degree.

    The pendulum, I feel like it’s swinging back towards sanity.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Baud has a dirty mind for any hour of the day. Why do you think he’s so popular around here?

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    Kay says:

    @germy:

    So let’s think about that. Sanders is the nominee. Fer instance. What does he have to do to get Clinton voters? Have the Sandernistas thought about this? He’s the establishment candidate. What next?

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    Princess says:

    @Kay: Dan Lipinski’s district went for Sanders in the primary. He’s a conservative anti-abortion Dem. When Marie Newman, a progressive endorsed by Sanders, ran to unseat him, she won the suburban areas that went for Hillary while he won the urban areas that had voted for Sanders. He beat her using Bernie’s voters. So yes, what you’re describing is a thing in my area. Those voters could well go for Bernie again though because their primary motivation is (I believe) misogyny and racism not conservative economics. (Though I believe they would flock to Biden if he entered)

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    Baud says:

    @germy:

    The pendulum, I feel like it’s swinging back towards sanity.

    We felt that way after the 2008 election too. Never believe it. Just keep pressing.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Well, they’re really more like things people did in past lives.

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    MomSense says:

    @Baud:

    Well played, sir. Well played.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Melusine: Some time ago I used his actual name in a comment and was quickly summoned onto the Balloon Juice carpet where I was told in no uncertain terms that we do not evereverEVER use his real name, that BeetleJuice is the preferred Nom de guerre and to go forth and sin no more.

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    MomSense says:

    @Kay:

    Well he told Chris Hayes he so t have to prioritize which issues he addresses first because he’s going to get it all done in the first 100 days.

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    NotMax says:

    Have to get all the way to the bottom of the article, but that’s some 24 karat comedy gold.

    Asked to comment on [the] report, the Kremlin said on Monday it did not interfere in state TV’s editorial policy.

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    TS (the original) says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: The rules are always different for republicans and rules don’t exist for trump

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    Kay says:

    @Princess:

    Silver suggests misogyny but it’s impossible to measure so he stays away from it in general. It is a good question, though. Bernie benefited from the Never Hillary vote and it was meaningful in +/- 7 of his primary wins. There’s no Never Hillary vote anymore. Now there will be viable moderates to the Right of him. There goes his Right flank, the people who were supposedly convinced to become liberal go back to being what they are- Right of center in the Democratic Party.

    For our purposes (beating Trump) it doesn’t matter that much- we don’t support Bernie anyway and all it means is more slice and dice of the primary electorate and a harder job for all of them in the primary.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @NotMax: Pretty cool.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Kay: It was complicated, and the result was tragic, which is why we’re still discussing it two years later. The PUMA defections of aught-eight were relatively simple and inconsequential in comparison.

    @Baud: Last year, when I finally got around to watching “Game of Thrones,” I suddenly got all the High Sparrow references. Who will be our Cersei?

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @germy: Agreed. Even though it feels like we’re weightless at the moment, it will start picking up speed now.

    This so feels like late winter, 1974.

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    Kay says:

    @MomSense:

    He’s essentially saying he’ll get GOP votes in the Senate, which, I hate to remind his supporters, is EXACTLY what Obama said and believed and exactly what the Left criticized Obama for.

    My youngest is a Bernie supporter. He’s playing around with political identity which is fine and I encourage but he went from Right of the Democrats to Left of them in 2 years. I suspect some of this is political parties aren’t cool. They aren’t, among that age group. I get it. They ARE kind of olde timey. My daughter used to laugh at “caucus”. “You’re going to a caucus? Is that like a square dance”? Anyway, he will be old enough to vote soon so I brought up the Senate with him and he LITERALLY waved it away :)

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Steeplejack: World’s most slapable face. I hope I never come across him irl. I would wade thru a dozen SS agents just for a chance at it.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @NotMax:

    Astrophysics at our fingertips
    We’re standing at the summit
    And some man with a joystick
    Lands a rocket on a comet
    We’re living in an age
    Where limitations are forgotten
    The outer edges move and dazzle us
    But the core is something rotten
    And we’re standing on the precipice
    Of prejudice and fear
    We trust science just as long
    As it tells us what we want to hear
    We want our truths all fair and balanced
    As long as our notions lie within it
    There’s no sunlight in our asses
    And our heads are stuck up in it

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    I just skimmed a diary at Kos that praised Wilmer’s town hall performance. The comments quickly settled into a back and forth about his tax returns, with people accusing others of swooping in to attack Wilmer any time he was mentioned. It was like the opposite of here.

    I was struck by how everyone referred to Sanders by his first name. I’m not sure I understand what that means.

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    Baud says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    It’s how he pitched himself. It was a thing. Hillary did the same thing.

    This year, people seem to be using their full names more.

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    MagdaInBlack says:

    @Betty Cracker:
    I think that sounds delicious !

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Steeplejack: The old, “I used to be a drug dealer but now I’m a salesman for Purdue Pharma.” dodge.

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    @Baud: @Baud: I understood Hillary because she had to differentiate herself from an already existing President Clinton. I guess the Wilmer thing is symmetrical. It sounds like familiarity to me. Like the people using it feel they know him.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    On a related note, I want to see Ivanka indicted. She doesn’t seem to get mentioned as much as Don Jr. and Jared. I suspect she’s as dirty as her brother, but she hides it better.

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    Karla says:

    @Raven: Occasional grapefruit juice in a moderate amount (say, the equivalent of one grapefruit or an 8-oz cup of juice) will slow your body’s metabolism of some (but not all) statins, temporarily increasing statin concentrations in the body. However, the likelihood of side effects is low (and statin efficacy in unaffected). The side effect to watch for is deep muscle pain unexplained by an injury; that would be something to report to your physician or pharmacist promptly.

    Lee JW, Morris JK, Wald NJ. Grapefruit Juice and Statins. Am J Med. 2016 Jan;129(1):26-9.

    Reddy P, Ellington D, Zhu Y, Zdrojewski I, Parent SJ, Harmatz JS, Derendorf H, Greenblatt DJ, Browne K Jr. Serum concentrations and clinical effects of atorvastatin in patients taking grapefruit juice daily. Br J Clin Pharmacol. 2011 Sep;72(3):434-41.

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    Baud says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Yeah, I’m glad we’re (hopefully) past that stage. These people are not my friends.

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    Jeffro says:

    @A Ghost To Most: I do love that DBTs song! (my kids do too)

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    Kristine says:

    @Betty Cracker: BS and his tax returns. Does he not want to reveal them simply because they’ll blow his SD cred by showing he’s a millionaire with Wall Street-standard investments, or are there some really dodgy items buried there?

    Or both?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Kay:

    I suspect some of this is political parties aren’t cool.

    That sentiment is not limited to the yoots. I have too many old fuck friends who are the same way and just don’t understand how I can be such a staunch democrat.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    I talked to a 2016 Sanders fan and 2020 Trump-curious voter this weekend. It was surreal. I think the role of “anti-PC” isn’t discussed nearly enough. I mean, we discuss it here, but we call it by its rightful names, i.e., racism, sexism and xenophobia. I suspect there are millions of voters like this fellow (30-something white dude, but I’ve heard similar babble from white folks of both sexes and all ages) who are giving themselves an out with this anti-PC garbage. I was trying to be non-confrontational, but I kept coming back to, “What is it you aren’t allowed to say or do?” I got deflections and an example from a TV show about how some fictional character’s prospects were ruined by a false rape accusation.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Steeplejack:

    I suspect she’s as dirty as her brother, but she hides it better.

    I suspect she is worse, unlike him she’s not an idiot.

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    snoey says:

    @Kristine: Big glass of seltzer over ice with a splash of grapefruit juice.

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    plato says:

    The House of Representatives is set to take the first step to potentially reverse Trump's emergency declaration today. The legislation already has enough co-sponsors to pass: 230, including one Republican.— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) February 26, 2019

    Go dems. At least, they are doing what they were sworn to do. Unlike the traitorous and treasonous party.

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    Kay says:

    The worse case for Lefty Bernie supporters is this- Bernie wins primary but loses the general. Democrats lurch back Right and people like Bloomberg say “I told you so”.

    This is a big bet for them. They think they will end up with a Warren Democratic Party if Bernie loses the general but it’s more likely they end up with a Bloomberg Democratic Party. The whole thing rides on one man. If they were even hedging a little with Warren as a kind of diversifier on the liberal side but they’re not. I think Bernie pulls from Warren.

    With Clinton/Trump they didn’t risk their “movement”. They could NOT vote for Clinton in the general and get Trump and that’s fine- they’re not Democrats anyway. This is the whole thing.

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    rikyrah says:

    Tom Watson (@tomwatson) Tweeted:
    Wow. Bernie just dissed the young woman asking about his staff sexual harassment scandal. Now he’s screaming at her. This is truly ugly. https://twitter.com/tomwatson/status/1100201869585076226?s=17

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    Kristine says:

    @snoey: That sounds good.

    I started mixing a little unsweetened green or white tea with seltzer because I hate plain water and thus don’t drink enough. Just enough flavoring, and no sugar.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Kay:

    Silver suggests misogyny but it’s impossible to measure so he stays away from it in general. It is a good question, though. Bernie benefited from the Never Hillary vote and it was meaningful in +/- 7 of his primary wins. There’s no Never Hillary vote anymore.

    To some extent 2020 could be a test case. The Democratic nominee is very likely to be a woman who is not Hillary Clinton. How much of this was Hillary and how much was it “any woman”? We might see some evidence. Of course, you can never control all the variables.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:
    He is not going to win the primary. Warren is a better candidate than him.

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    plato says:

    @Matt McIrvin: Of course, Hillary getting millions of votes more than the totus thug (and the irrelevant bs in pimaries) is pretty much meaningless, right?

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    plato says:

    @Kay:

    Lefty Bernie supporters

    aka the dwindling ‘majority’?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Matt McIrvin:

    How much of this was Hillary and how much was it “any woman”?

    My bet is it was mostly “Never Hillary” after a 30 year smear campaign. Still a significant minority were “not any woman” my guess is 27-35%

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    Kay says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    I agree with them on one thing. Rape is a crime. Colleges and universities shouldn’t be setting up boards with questionable process protections to adjudicate it. If it reaches or encompasses what is a quasi criminal charge they need to refer it. They can’t be conducting kinda sorta courts where they’re sort of finding rape.

    There’s the school code and then there’s a criminal code. If it’s veering outside their jurisdiction they need to remain in their lane. They can impose any sanctions they want inside their own code but they can’t label these people as rapists without a criminal conviction.

    K-12 schools do this. If I get a school case I FIRST look at the school code- “handbook” (locally) then the Ohio code section that governs schools. That governs and that’s what we’ll be using. Suspension, expulsion, can’t participate in sports, must be provided alternate instruction, etc. But that’s much broader than the juvenile code. If it reaches “could be charged by a juvenile prosecutor” then the school’s out of it and all the process protections start. You can’t say “we judged him guilty of assault” without criminal charges. He’s guilty ONLY under the school rules.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @plato: For actually winning, it won’t count until the National Popular Vote Compact goes over the top. Trump could well be reelected with an even more extreme popular-vote minority, if we can’t flip some of those Obama-to-Trump states.

    I do wonder what happens to the politics of this country if it just becomes the new normal that Republican Presidents regularly get elected 3 million, 5 million, 10 million down in the popular vote. As long as Democrats are the Lawful Party and Republicans hold the levers, and if something like the NPVC gets killed in the courts, they won’t be able to push back effectively; but at some point the crisis of legitimacy would just become too extreme, if it’s not already.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @rikyrah: Warren is tons better, but I don’t think she’ll win either, and Sanders’ entry into the race will be a factor in her loss. If Team Sanders really gave a shit about the “revolution,” he would have stayed out and backed Warren. Maybe that’s unfair. It’s possible they really-really-really believe only he can win. They’re wrong, but it’s possible they’re sincere.

    Anyhoo, my husband and I were speculating last night, and I told him if I were a betting woman, I’d put my money on Harris winning the nomination and then clobbering Trump in the general. That’s an outcome that pleases me, though on substance so far, I prefer Warren.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Betty Cracker: Ah, you drink half and half.

    I put 2% milk in my coffee, and what I do is buy a quart, or whatever, and freeze at least half of it in smallish (pint-sized?) glass containers. Schweppes or Canada Dry individual tonic water bottles are great; so are jelly jar glass containers. Just make sure to leave enough room for expansion as the liquid freezes. That way the milk stays fresh, since I pretty much just use it in morning coffee, and I can pull out a frozen container when I run out. Which is a boon when one returns from being away and — forgot to get milk!

    You can buy shelf stable milk too. In Germany and Spain, most of the milk is shelf stable; they don’t seem to buy as much of the refrigerated version. It’s delicious. I wish we did that here, and guess we only do not because of the cold milk lobby.

    Think of how easy it would be to store milk for hurricanes and power outages, etc. You could deal with a smaller refrigerator too, as they do overseas.

    I find European products to be much purer and healthier, for the most part, and less waste in packaging, etc.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Betty Cracker: I read recently that Wilmer and Warren were the only 2 DEMs who already have unfavorables above 50%, which gives them a steep hill to climb right at the start. I love Warren but she probably can’t win if that holds true.

    (all the other DEMs had both low favorables and unfavorables, meaning most people don’t really know them yet)

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    Cheryl from Maryland says:

    I grew up in an area with hard water (came out funny colored from the tap), so I dislike the taste of water. The only thing I find that is low cal I can handle is diet tonic water (Polar brand preferred) with fresh lime and a dash of unsweetened cranberry juice. Y’all in Massachusetts are lucky to have Polar, which makes the best mixers and diet soft drinks. Orange Dry Diet in particular. When we go to the only store nearby which carries it (and not regularly), we will clean the shelf. Polar also makes grapefruit soda for us grapefruit addicts.

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    laura says:

    @Betty Cracker: that’s a Squirtarita and it is delish! AKA the Paloma.
    It’s a rare occasion that I’ll drink a soda, but a hot summer night with tacos…

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    Barbara says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: No, seriously using the term “garden variety” to describe a crime sends multiple messages, (1) financial fraud is not a real crime; and (2) everyone does it or knows someone who does it — so let’s just slap the defendant on the wrist and we can all go back to playing golf or whatever we do in our spare time. Do you know how many nonviolent drug offenders these two judges have had to sentence and wreak havoc on them and their families? This was an incredibly stupid thing to say.

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    Barbara says:

    @Betty Cracker: I don’t know about telling him to hit the road, but it should definitely be the first question he gets at every public venue, all the time, with explicit comparisons to Trump’s refusal to release his tax returns. The senator should be forced to play like the big boy he wants to be.

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    Sloane Ranger says:

    Phone telling me that Teresa May is now offering a binding vote on delaying Brexit if the latest punctuation change to her plan fails to pass. Apparently up to 15 Ministers were threatening to resign if the alternative to her plan was a No Deal Brexit.

    Someone who occasionally appears on the talk shows (wish I could remember his name) has been saying for ages that it will be posturing and Kabuki until the final few weeks and then a mad rush as panic sinks in. Looks like he might be right.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Kay: I agree with that. I just don’t think it’s the huge problem this guy made it out to be. He had to conjure up a fictional character who lost a football scholarship on a bogus rape accusation because in real life, the accused rapist would more likely have kept his scholarship, become a multimillionaire when drafted by the NFL and gone on to be accused of sexual assault by other women. (Jameis Winston was my counter example.)

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @Betty Cracker: I went to drinking my coffee black when I worked in a place that had only powdered “cream”. The sight of that oily lump floating in my cup was disgusting. That was about 30 years ago. (I ditched the sugar earlier than that. When I was expecting my first kid the tast of sugar in coffee or tea produced unfortunate consequences. )

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    rikyrah says:

    YESSSSS!!!

    TPV announcement: VettingBernie.org launches this week!

    This week, we plan to launch a central website for taking on Bernie Sanders’ second attempt at dividing and conquering the Democratic party. As I announced last week, we have registered the domain VettingBernie.org, and I have been building a site. It will be a place for both original content and aggregation to arm everyone in the battle against Bernie.

    In the mean time, please follow: @VetTheBern on Twitter

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    @Betty Cracker: So do many liberal women in my town who voted BS in the last primary. Harris and Warren seem to be the early favorites in my neck of the woods. This county went for Obama 70% and backed HRC by a similar huge margin in 2016.

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    plato says:

    The bleating from brexit morons over Theresa’s ‘betrayal’ is somehow sweet music to ears.

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    Immanentize says:

    I just watched two clips of BS’ town hall. I’ve never been a fan but —

    Doesn’t he seem like a LOT older than he did just 3 years ago in 2016? Even his trademark self-promoting rants sound dead and defeated. And he looks drawn and oddly made up. Like he is literally ill.

    ETA. Sorry — train typing is bad

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    CaseyL says:

    I used to buy grapefruit by the dozens to make fresh-squeezed juice. Love the stuff! But now it’s forever on the verboten list because I take antidepressants. *sniffle*

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    Immanentize says:

    @schrodingers_cat:
    Sorry. I meant to type “LOT”
    Product of train typing. Not the LIR (Long Island Railroad) by the way, but the MBTA.

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    Kay says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    I know they’re just seizing on things to object to, but that one seemed like a dumb mistake. The Obama education people were uniformly horrible. They just had bad idea after bad idea! The hits kept coming! Duncan is an arrogant, sanctimonious know it all who honestly never struck me as all that bright. He…. missed a lot of context. I feel like he was Obama’s one crony hire. A miss on what was a very ethical and merit-based administration.

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    Skepticat says:

    Speaking of hope, has anyone heard from John about how his dad is doing?

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    chopper says:

    @germy:

    “after a nominee is selected” means the convention. he’s going to hold on until the convention is over.

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    @Immanentize: No problem, I thought it was some legal acronym I did not know

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    Kay says:

    Axios
    ‏Verified account
    @axios
    8h8 hours ago
    More
    Ivanka Trump goes after Ocasio-Cortez policies in Fox News Interview: “People want to work for what they get. So, I think that this idea of a guaranteed minimum is not something most people want.”

    They’re forcing Ivanka on us again. So glad this nepotism hire gets such a large platform.

    Get elected Ivanka. Get a job your dad didn’t get you. THEN come back and lecture me on markets. Earn something.

    I love these fucking people. NOT ONE of them has ever applied for ANY job in a competitive setting. You know more about “markets” if you landed your McDonalds job in high school.

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    JR says:

    @Karla: the grapefruit juice inhibition of CYP450 is one of the underappreciated major discoveries of the last 25 years

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    rikyrah says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Given that House Democrats are making Trump’s tax returns a centerpiece of their oversight objectives, it’s flat-out unacceptable for a Democratic primary candidate to withhold his or her returns. Seriously, the DNC should tell Sanders to cough them up by April 15th or hit the road, Jack.

    The thought..
    there mere thought…
    that he didn’t believe that it would be a question, and that it wouldn’t be brought up…

    PHUCK OUTTA HERE.

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    chopper says:

    @Kristine:

    could be some tax dodges/vehicles in there too. which doesn’t look good when you rail against rich tax dodgers and push expensive social welfare policies.

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    The Midnight Lurker says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who said earlier in the day — without citing special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe specifically — that “if we aren’t prepared to prove our case beyond a reasonable doubt in court, then we have no business making allegations against American citizens.”

    Later, at a Center for Strategic and International Studies dinner, Rosenstein was even a little more candid.

    “My view is that the Department of Justice is best served when people are confident that we’re going to operate — when we’re investigating American citizens, in particular — we’re going to do it with appropriate sensitivity to the rights of uncharged people.”

    Is the DOJ going to try and cover and bunch of billionaire asses?

    Asking for a friend.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Immanentize: Dude is 77 years old. Don’t want to be ageist, but that’s *old*. He should take up knitting, or bake cookies or something.

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    Kay says:

    I don’t play the “the children”card often but I think it is GENUINELY harmful to ordinary young people to have Ivanka and Jared held up as role models.

    They earned nothing. 99% of people will have to COMPETE in some fashion for what they get. Not these two. Handed everything. All promoting these two does it tell them the game is rigged and they shouldn’t try.

    Stop jamming them down our throats. That they were given these positions is offensive enough. Don’t make us play this game that they earned something. They did not.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:

    Axios
    ‏Verified account
    @axios
    8h8 hours ago
    More
    Ivanka Trump goes after Ocasio-Cortez policies in Fox News Interview: “People want to work for what they get. So, I think that this idea of a guaranteed minimum is not something most people want.”

    This.bytch.here.

    Lips pursed so hard.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @chopper: Guaranteed there are. Just on the basis of what little he released last year, it’s clear the almost all of his financial assets are in tax-deferred accounts, which he can still do because while he’s 77, Jane is under 70 (not for long, though) and they can all be in her name. But the dodgier stuff, I’m sure, is hers.

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    Barbara says:

    @Kay: “People don’t want a guaranteed minimum” is a non sequitur to “people want to work.” Nothing about a guaranteed minimum prevents someone from working.

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    Barbara says:

    @rikyrah: Nothing ties Sanders more tightly to the same white male privilege exhibited by Trump than his unwillingness to release his tax returns without thinking that it would be a political liability, or in fact, without thinking that it would make people think he shared some things with Trump. Everyone, every venue: Why won’t you release your tax returns? Why haven’t you already released your tax returns?

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    The Midnight Lurker says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    @Baud:

    Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who said earlier in the day — without citing special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe specifically — that “if we aren’t prepared to prove our case beyond a reasonable doubt in court, then we have no business making allegations against American citizens.”

    Later, at a Center for Strategic and International Studies dinner, Rosenstein was even more candid:

    “My view is that the Department of Justice is best served when people are confident that we’re going to operate — when we’re investigating American citizens, in particular — we’re going to do it with appropriate sensitivity to the rights of uncharged people,”

    Is the DOJ trying cover a bunch of billionaire asses, and try and salvage the gravy train?

    Asking for a friend.

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    The Midnight Lurker says:

    Sorry everyone for posting the same thing twice. I’m techically deficient.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Sloane Ranger: Yeah, May’s been pretty transparent that it’s “(her) way or the highway” and she was hoping to run out the clock so that Parliament was going to have to approve her plan (or so she thought). She’s very stubborn. And she’s finally realizing that she isn’t going to win on her “deal” (FSM!! How I hate that word!!1).

    It’s been obvious for a long time that she can’t square the circle about the Ireland/N. Ireland border. It’s impossible. They should say “Whoops. It won’t work. Brexit is off. Instead, we’ll stay in the EU and continue to whinge that we’re special and don’t have to follow the rules that everyone else in the EU does!”

    Grr…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon says:

    @Matt McIrvin:

    if we can’t flip some of those Obama-to-Trump states

    It’s all about turnout – if we can turn out the electorate we had in 2018, we’ll win those states.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Kay: Mere words cannot express just how motherfucking galling it is to know that vacuous dope is lecturing people about work on TV while her equally worthless mate jets off to Saudi Arabia to meet with another horrible hereditary princeling who had a journalist employed by a US newspaper murdered and dismembered in an embassy.

    You’re right — it is bad for the kids. My daughter is working her ass off to try to make her way in a world in which that’s a lot goddamn harder than it was for me. She’s 20 years old, but she’s more of an expert on work than every single Trump and all of the Fox News assholes combined. Jesus.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Kay: Ivanka and Jared have always had a guaranteed minimum. Probably larger than my family’s combined salary — which we got from working long hours

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    rikyrah says:

    Lindsey Graham finds a new place for the Russia scandal goalposts
    02/26/19 10:00 AM—UPDATED 02/26/19 10:12 AM
    By Steve Benen

    As a rule, no one is better at moving the Russia scandal goalposts than Rudy Giuliani. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), however, may be giving him a run for his money.

    The trouble is, “collusion” is a political term, which means different things to different people. What would the GOP senator have to see in order to abandon the president whose water he’s carried for two years? He shared an extraordinary perspective with the New York Times.

    …Trump, he insisted, knew where he stood on the special counsel’s Russia investigation.

    “I told the president that if you colluded with the Russians, if your campaign sat down and worked with foreign intelligence operatives to manipulate the results of the election, that’d be the end of us, ” Graham said.

    Wait, that’s where the lines are now drawn? We’ve arrived at the point at which “collusion” is defined as campaign officials sitting down with Russian intelligence operatives to directly coordinate the manipulation of election results?

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    chopper says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    nothing says “expert on the value of hard work” like a born-wealthy person who decided to sell shitty handbags cause hell, gotta do something right?

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    rikyrah says:

    I’m telling you…this isn’t 2016…and nobody is playing with these muthaphuckas.

    ………….

    That Lasted Long: Bernie Sanders and Supporters Abandon All Pretense of Civility

    Remember when 72 whole hours ago Bernie Sanders sent an email to his fans instructing them to “engage respectfully” with other Democrats (well, Democrats, since Bernie is not one)? In that message, he also warned his supporters not to talk about “past grievances.” He even got a line in about bullying

    But, let us do our very best to engage respectfully … about the issues we are fighting for, not about personalities or past grievances. I want to be clear that I condemn bullying and harassment of any kind and in any space.

    Let it be noted that I predicted as soon as the story of this email came out that it was a pathetic, weak CYA move on the part of Bernie Sanders so that he would have plausible deniability when his backers inevitably chose to be their dickish selves.

    Unsurprisingly, I was correct. Last night, both Sanders and his former campaign staff happily trampled all over his fake appeal to civility.

    At the CNN town hall, Sanders were alternatively ignorant, arrogant, and belligerent. He chastised a woman for challenging him on his own words about his 2016 campaign’s culture of sexual violence that he said he didn’t have time to pay attention to because he was a “little busy.” He appeared not to know what reparations even meant. And he took an early, sore-loser shot at the Democratic party, whining that he was treated unfairly in 2016.

    In the mean time, Michael Briggs, the mouthpiece – I mean spokesman – for Sanders’ 2016 campaign on Monday called former Hillary Clinton staffers “total ingrates” and “the biggest assholes in American politics.” What prompted such scathing, unadulterated hatred? Former Clinton staffers let out of the bag the secret Bernie and his man-of-the-people image crafters desperately wanted to keep: Sanders loves himself some private jet time.

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    Gloomyjim says:

    @Kay: Someone should ask Ivanka “If people want to work for what they get then why all the people on welfare?”

    I love when false naratives collide…

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    rikyrah says:

    @Matt McIrvin:

    @plato: For actually winning, it won’t count until the National Popular Vote Compact goes over the top. Trump could well be reelected with an even more extreme popular-vote minority, if we can’t flip some of those Obama-to-Trump states.

    I will point out, once again, that the number of voters DENIED THE FRANCHISE DUE TO VOTER SUPPRESSION in those states..

    was TWO-TO-THREE -TIMES the size of Dolt45’s ‘margin of victory’.

    We work on making sure that OUR people CAN ACTUALLY VOTE….and, there should be no question about those states.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Barbara:

    Everyone, every venue: Why won’t you release your tax returns? Why haven’t you already released your tax returns?

    Preach it. Tell it.

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    chopper says:

    @rikyrah:

    “Even though the Leader himself is completely nonviolent, he urges you to be as violent as you like in capturing the Simpsons.”

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    bemused says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    I’ve got 3 grown kids that are about their ages and a few years older. Just watching Jarvanka strut around with privileged attitude written all over them makes me gag. If our kids acted like that, I’d be hard pressed not to take them down several pegs until they got over themselves.

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    Doug R says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Now I’m giving up the splash of half-and-half on a trial basis, mostly for the convenience. I’m forever running out of it, and now that I live in a howling wilderness, I can’t just run to the corner store for another carton. We’ll see how it goes.

    Here in Canuckistan, the one place that sells half and half for less than an arm and a leg is Costco. We generally try to have two cartons in the fridge, sometimes three and sometimes one.

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    chris says:

    LMAO at this headline on MarketWatch.

    Ivanka Trump: Ocasio-Cortez doesn’t understand the American people like I do

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    Mike in NC says:

    @chris: Ivanka appreciates the “little people” who purchase her crap made in Chinese prison sweatshops.

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    @Barbara:

    “People don’t want a guaranteed minimum” is a non sequitur to “people want to work.”

    No, it’s not. To the FOX audience, both mean ‘blacks are lazy.’ FOX relentlessly beats the drum that the social safety net exists because blacks don’t want to work, and if they would just work hard like white people they wouldn’t need it. Sometimes they use code words, sometimes they say it flat-out. Ben Carson’s political career exists because he would go on FOX and say it directly and undisguised, so the FOX audience could assure themselves it can’t be racism, because a black person also says it’s true. Plus, Carson IS successful, which is proof! They also particularly love the phrase ‘culture of dependency.’

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    Fair Economist says:

    @Kay:

    Do they stick with Sanders if there’s one or more genuine moderates in the race?

    Republicans will stick with Sanders because they want us to have the candidate with the worst chance in the general. True conservative Democrats will mostly switch to people like Klobuchar and O’Rourke (if he runs), IMO.

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    moonbat says:

    @Betty Cracker: I’m trying erythritol, a sugar alcohol (not that kind). It’s supposed to be 70% as sweet as sugar but zero calories and no blood sugar spikes. Let you know how it goes. I’ve never met a sugar substitute I could live with.

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    Jeffro says:

    @rikyrah:

    Wait, that’s where the lines are now drawn? We’ve arrived at the point at which “collusion” is defined as campaign officials sitting down with Russian intelligence operatives to directly coordinate the manipulation of election results?

    Apparently.

    Fortunately, given that Manafort handed over the campaign’s private polling data of US citizens to a Russian asset, and given that Stone coordinated the release of damaging, Russia-hacked emails with Assange in order to distract from ‘p-grab-gate’, we’ve already put the ball through those goal posts.

    Your move, Lindsey.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @Immanentize:

    Doesn’t [Sanders] seem like a LOT older than he did just 3 years ago in 2016? Even his trademark self-promoting rants sound dead and defeated. And he looks drawn and oddly made up. Like he is literally ill.

    People can get old fast at that age. I remember looking a a pair of paintings in a museum of an older patron (around 80), made only two years apart. It was shocking how much older the woman looked in the second.

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    Jeffro says:

    Also: it will surprise no one that in today’s NYT column, Brooksie tries his darnedest to ‘both sides’ the rabid GOP and the (polling-quite-well-actually) “socialist” Dems, in a plea for “moderation”.

    Here’s his platform for “moderation”. How could today’s radical Dems POSSIBLY deliver on such a moderate, appealing platform…

    …There are four affections that bind our society, and moderates could champion a policy agenda for each:

    We are bound together by our love of our children. The first mission is to promote policies to make sure children are enmeshed in webs of warm relationships: child tax credits, early childhood education, parental leave, schools that emphasize social and emotional learning.

    We are bound to society by our work. The second mission is to help people find vocations through which they can serve the community: wage subsidies, apprenticeship tracks, subsidies to help people move to opportunity, work councils, which are clubs that would offer workers lifelong training and representation.

    We are bound together by our affection for our place. The third mission is to devolve power out of Washington to the local level. Out-radicalize the left and right by offering a different system of power, a system in which power is wielded by neighbors, who know their local context and trust one another. Create a national service program so that young people are paid to serve organizations in their community.

    We are bound together by our shared humanity. The fourth mission is to embrace an immigration policy that balances welcome with cultural integration. It’s to champion housing and education policies that encourage racial integration. Neither left nor right talks much about racial integration anymore. But it is the prerequisite for national unity…

    …except, perhaps, by winning and governing and implementing their quite-moderate plans in all four areas, with the notable exception of #3. We will re-take the WH and Senate, and keep the House, and then we’re going to straighten some shit out across this entire country, Mr. Both Sides. Screw your ‘local control’ – there was a great article yesterday about how even in House elections, we’re all increasingly just voting for our party (instead of a particular person) and not splitting tickets, either.

    But yeah, all the rest??? That’s us damned hippies’ platform, right there. Jackass.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @chris: AOC was a bartender in NYC. I’d just love to see the hypothetical interaction of Jarvanka walking into AOC’s bar.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @moonbat: Erythritol sucks water out of your body due to its weird metabolism. Your intestines can absorb it but your liver can’t process it so it goes out in your kidneys taking about 25x its weight in water on the way out. I can’t have more than a trace or it’s headache express. Tastes good though – probably the best non-nutritive sweetener to me.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Jeffro:

    Apparently.

    Fortunately, given that Manafort handed over the campaign’s private polling data of US citizens to a Russian asset, and given that Stone coordinated the release of damaging, Russia-hacked emails with Assange in order to distract from ‘p-grab-gate’, we’ve already put the ball through those goal posts.

    Your move, Lindsey.

    Did you see that the section from Bobby Three Sticks about Manafort and the polling data is 74 REDACTED PAGES LONG?

    UH HUH
    UH HUH

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    moonbat says:

    @Fair Economist: Thanks for the caveat! I’ll keep an eye out for these effects. A bag of it was just delivered today so I haven’t tried it yet.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @Elizabelle: I can’t stand black coffee, so I keep a 12-pack of shelf stable milk cartons (the ones you’d normally put in a lunchbox) for the times we used all the milk in the house or it went bad. Works pretty well. The stuff is considerably more expensive that cold milk but I don’t use enough of it to matter.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @Baud:

    It’s how he pitched himself. It was a thing. Hillary did the same thing.

    This year, people seem to be using their full names more.

    Also, there’s another Sanders on the national stage (Sarah Huckabee). I do a lot of double-takes when I see “Sanders defends Trump caging children” because it’s possible (and occasionally even true) that it’s actually *Bernie*. My usual reaction is “I can’t believe EVEN HE would say that THAT MONSTER!!! oh wait that’s probably Sarah Huckabee…”

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    Kay says:

    @Jeffro:

    I don’t think Americans love “children”. There’s literally nothing in our history to indicate we “love” them. We like a romanticized idea of them, but real ones? Not so much. If we do love them some other countries seem to love them a lot more, leaving us with a sort of annoyed ambivalence towards them. David Brooks loves his! But you don’t get credit for that as a “society”.

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    chris says:

    @Mike in NC: Well, you know, the servants seem to be happy.

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    chris says:

    @Fair Economist: I really like the idea of only electing people who will be around long enough to see the effects of their policies. Wilmer will be 80 in 2021. Just sayin’

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    Jeffro says:

    @Kay: Do we get credit if we love our children – the ones in our own nuclear family – like crazy (but their kids, not so much)? Because I think that interpretation holds up well. =)

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    Kay says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    It’s great for AOC. She’s probably thrilled to go up against Ivanka. Thanks, Ivanka! Keep talking.

    My daughter thinks AOC is reaching young women’s culture. She said they were all (well, ‘all’, the politcally Lefty ones) talking about what she wore to the SOTU and they’re adopting hoop-ey earrings. I told her she isn’t a reliable reporter because she dressed like AOC anyway.

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    trollhattan says:

    @raven:
    19?!?

    They could grow to [does fancy arithmetic, rounds up] two tons of doggies. Holy moly!

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    Yarrow says:

    @rikyrah: Something interesting about the Manafort filings is there’s a letter from Manafort to someone in 1987. The recipient is redacted. Mueller’s investigation is going back a long, long way.

    To whom did Manafort send that letter and why is it relevant to this investigation now, so much so that the recipient has to be redacted? Who could it be? Some of the usual suspects, like Trump (who visited the Soviet Union in 1987) or someone completely outside our consideration at the moment. Kissinger? He was invited to the oval office when the Russians visited. Hmmm….

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    Kay says:

    @Jeffro:

    Well, no. Not as a society. If we really loved them as a society we would pay more attention to them, as a group.

    There’s a big new study out that says children who live in areas with air pollution do worse on nearly every measure. They’re smaller, children. They get hit harder with poison. Is that “love”? I don’t think so.

    I took this law school course that was so enlightening. It was about the Ohio state constitution. It was considered wildly Lefty and radical to offer them ANYTHING in excess of what their parents could provide. They were treated as sort of small, weak employees – like lower quality hired hands. It is literally true that livestock was treated better in rural areas.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Kay: When Sarah Palin was chosen as McCain’s running mae a lot of middle-aged white women started wearing their hair like she did (“Bumpits” became popular) and glasses frames similar to hers became popular.

    I’m not quite sure what that sort of imitation means. I’m sure there are women who imitate the Kardashians and Beyonce and so forth.

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    tobie says:

    @The Midnight Lurker: Rod’s showing his true colors in his final days. He’s a veteran of the Ken Starr investigation, he came to the Kavanaugh hearings to give his good buddy moral support, he got an award from the Federalist Society, and now he’s claiming an investigation into Russian influence in the election (Mueller’s mandate) can’t be made public if findings don’t amount to criminal charges. Barr’s approach will be the same, if not worse, because birds of feather…

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Kay: My daughter and her peers all admire AOC.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Kay:

    My daughter thinks AOC is reaching young women’s culture. She said they were all (well, ‘all’, the politcally Lefty ones) talking about what she wore to the SOTU and they’re adopting hoop-ey earrings. I told her she isn’t a reliable reporter because she dressed like AOC anyway.

    That is funny. Nice anecdote.

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    StringOnAStick says:

    @Betty Cracker: I switched to a powdered coconut oil creamer, and I really like the cacao one but the plain one is good too. Since it is dry, no need to worry about it going bad. https://lairdsuperfood.com/collections/laird-superfood-creamers/products/superfood-creamer-cacao

    I had to give up the dairy stuff since all dairy seems to spike my cholesterol, but this stuff makes no dairy creamer work just fine for me.

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    Yarrow says:

    That Hoarse Whisperer tweet in the original post:

    John Brennan on Maddow: he expects to see indictment(s) of Trump’s immediate family as Mueller’s final act.

    Wow.

    I don’t get why this is a “wow.” It’s been obvious from the beginning that this is how it’s going to work. Mueller’s office is rolling these folks up like a mob roll up. Get the little guys and the ones on the periphery fist. Flip them, then move up to bigger fish. They won’t come for the family until the whole thing is basically done and they’ll go for all of them more or less at the same time.

    @Steeplejack:

    On a related note, I want to see Ivanka indicted. She doesn’t seem to get mentioned as much as Don Jr. and Jared. I suspect she’s as dirty as her brother, but she hides it better.

    Oh, she will be. She’s dirty. The Azerbaijan stuff is bad enough but it’s her dealings with China that are going to be her downfall. She’s totes BFFs with Wendy Deng, Rupert Murdoch’s ex-wife. She’s all mixed up with China. Not going to go well for her.

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    @Kay: I wear hoops all the time, and did so long before AOC was on the scene and so did many women.

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    glory b says:

    @Kay: To be honest, the hoop-ey earrings have been a thing with young African American and Latinx girls for a while. In fact, it may be starting to die out, which would be accelerated by them being adopted by white girls.

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