My All Time Favorite Post Athlete Is–

Kareem Abdul Jabbar:

Via a post on his Web site,, the legendary Los Angeles Lakers and Milwaukee Bucks center said he will be selling his championship rings from 1980, ’85, ’87 and ’88. All of those titles were earned while he was a member of the Lakers. In addition, he will be auctioning other items including game-worn uniforms and jerseys. One such item is the game-used and signed ball from his final game in the NBA in 1989.

Why is this sporting legend unloading the tangible reminders of his glory days?

“My sports memorabilia also have a history. My history. My life,” Abdul-Jabbar said. “And, oddly, since my life is still happening and ever-evolving, I am less personally attached to those items than I am to my desire to create new history for myself — and futures for others. Much of the proceeds from my auction will go to support my charity, the Skyhook Foundation, whose mission is to ‘give kids a shot that can’t be blocked.’

“So, when it comes to choosing between storing a championship ring or trophy in a room, or providing kids with an opportunity to change their lives, the choice is pretty simple. Sell it all. Looking back on what I have done with my life, instead of gazing at the sparkle of jewels or gold plating celebrating something I did a long time ago, I’d rather look into the delighted face of a child holding their first caterpillar and think about what I might be doing for their future. That’s a history that has no price.”

Abdul Jabbar was an unfairly brilliant athlete.  He has been an awesome post-athlete for a long time.  This is just the latest in a story I hope goes on for many years to come.

I thought we could all use a story of a good human doing good.  Open thread.

Abbot Handerson Thayer, Lunar Caterpillar, study for book Concealing Coloration in the Animal Kingdom, 1909, revised 1918.

227 replies
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    Elizabelle says:

    He is a very good man.

    And I love an open thread to discuss non-miscreants.

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    raven says:

    I posted this earlier and am glad to see it made it to the front page.

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    chris says:

    This Konmari thing is getting out of hand.

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    Baud says:

    A mench.

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    MomSense says:

    He’s a treasure.

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    Mike in NC says:

    He’s also a good writer.

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    MoxieM says:

    That is inspirational (Ka-J); I’ve have come to expect such thoughtfulness from him. It’s a mercy to have such people among us.
    On the other foot, I had a rare experience–rare for me, anyway. Some numbnuts on Facebook (yeah, OK) pointed out that, “St.Wilmer had not made himself a millyionaire at the people’s expense.” I asked how he could know that, given the paucity of tax returns, and, I said, besides, he yells at women and POC. The answer was just such a surprise./s “Whatever,” said the Wilmerite. So here we are. Straight to the point, and not worth the pixels.

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    Bruuuuce says:

    He’s bright, articulate, and caring. Excellent post his athletic career.

    And during his athletic career, nobody could post up like him.

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    So I’m driving down from Crystal Lake in the San Gabriels(couldn’t shoot the lake since the access road hadn’t been plowed, yes snow) and I see this large vehicle coming towards me from the opposite direction. I’m like WTF is that thing, as it passed I could see it was the Wienermobile. I guess Paul Ryan has found a new job.

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    Lapassionara says:

    @MomSense: Ditto. I actually lived in NYC when he was a high school senior, playing basketball. What a talent.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    Joey : Wait a minute. I know you. You’re Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. You play basketball for the Los Angeles Lakers.

    Roger Murdock : I’m sorry, son, but you must have me confused with someone else. My name is Roger Murdock. I’m the co-pilot.

    Joey : You are Kareem! I’ve seen you play. My dad’s got season tickets.

    Roger Murdock : I think you should go back to your seat now, Joey. Right, Clarence?

    Captain Oveur : Nahhhhhh, he’s not bothering anyone. Let him stay here.

    Roger Murdock : But just remember, my name is…
    [showing his nametag]

    Roger Murdock : ROGER MURDOCK. I’m an airline pilot.

    Joey : I think you’re the greatest, but my dad says you don’t work hard enough on defense.

    [Kareem gets angry]

    Joey : And he says that lots of times, you don’t even run down court. And that you don’t really try… except during the playoffs.

    Roger Murdock : [breaking character] The hell I don’t! LISTEN, KID! I’ve been hearing that crap ever since I was at UCLA. I’m out there busting my buns every night! Tell your old man to drag Walton and Lanier up and down the court for 48 minutes!

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    LISTEN KID! I’ve been hearing that crap ever since I was at UCLA. I’m out there busting my buns every night. Tell your old man to drag Walton and Lanier up and down the court for 48 minutes.

    ETA: Darn you, Subaru Diane! Darn you to heck!

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    MomSense says:


    I’m not into konmari. I watched half of the first episode and it didn’t spark joy so I stopped watching. I did decide to do something very foolish and organize my closet, and my stashes of fabric and yarn. I may just close the door, declare my room the “junk drawer” of my house and sleep on the couch from now on.

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    trollhattan says:

    Heh. Sparking Kareem joy.

    I found his 20 Things Boys Can Do to Become Men out of the blue and well before the #MeToo movement took off. It reconnected me to him after completely losing track. Definitely a mensch.

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    Tom Levenson says:

    @MomSense: I’m with you.

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    MomSense says:


    I was a diehard Celtics fan but I respected him always. A most worthy adversary.

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    Wallis Lane says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: First, foremost, and always!

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    chris says:

    @MomSense: I haven’t watched any of it. Learned housekeeping from my mother. “Dust is good, if you lose something you can track it.”

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    He sounds like a really cool dude. I bet some people out there though are gonna scratch their heads and say, “Jabbar? Isn’t he that evil guy from Aladdin?”

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    SFAW says:


    A Bruin.

    Hockey, too? Damn! I didn’t know Power even HAD a hockey team in the ’60s

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Darn you, Subaru Diane! Darn you to heck!

    Badasses gotta badass.

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    raven says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: Yea there are plenty of dumb motherfuckers out there.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: you got to get up pretty early in the evening to beat her

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @raven: such as Ohio state fans

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    Don’t you touch me, you darn dirty apes!

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    raven says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Wonder if they know who Silk is?

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    RSA says:

    Thanks for a story about a good person. Another that I ran across by accident the other day:

    Chow Yun-fat has announced he will donate his $700m fortune to charity after he dies.

    Apparently he lives a modest life now, taking public transportation and such.

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    SFAW says:

    @Steve in the ATL:
    Omnes, as with most lawyuhs, is up at the crack of noon every day.

    Most of the time.

    Or so he says.

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    Bill Arnold says:

    Made me tear up, Tom. Thanks for the story.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @SFAW: I got up at 8:30 this morning. It was horrible.

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    Lapassionara says:

    @MomSense: Yes. I was sorry that he chose UCLA, but not surprised, as Wooden was such a great coach. I remember the game when someone (Elgin Baylor?) hit his eye, and he wore protective goggles ever after. Then on to the pro’s.

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    debbie says:

    Clever mission statement.

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    Duane says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Jabbar was on with Walton during a Pac12 game recently. Great interview. Jabbar broke Walton’s jaw during a charity game several years ago. They both laugh now.

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    Baud says:


    Omnes, as with most lawyuhs, is up at the crack of noon every day.

    But he starts billing hours at 6 am.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    Learned housekeeping from my mother. “Dust is good, if you lose something you can track it.”

    Ooh, I like that! I have a friend whose instruction to family and close friends is: “You’re welcome to write your name in the dust. Just don’t put the date!”

    I had another friend, decades ago, who was such an indifferent housekeeper that one year she actually had tiny mushrooms (or toadstools? — some kind of Trump-pëñíš-shaped fungus, anyhow) growing merrily between the tiles on her bathroom floor. In some fairness, it was in hot, steamy Florida, and I’m pretty sure she had neither A/C not a dehumidifier. But still.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    That, and people who don’t follow sports, myself being one of them. I’d never heard of Jabbar until now.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Baud: I’m in house so I don’t start billing until 7 am!

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    @SFAW: I don’t think UCLA fields a hockey team.

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    Kathleen says:

    @Tom Levenson: @MomSense: Exhales with relief and knowledge I am not alone.

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    lamh36 says:

    Cool…so can we have a thread where we CAN talk bout miscreants…cause if you though Matt Gaetz was stupid before…now he’s REALLY stupid!!!

    I’ll just leave this linky poo here for ya to gander at…click it at your own risk!

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    beat her


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    Yarrow says:

    @lamh36: Just saw that Janet Jackson is doing a residency in Vegas.

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    hilts says:

    Baseball is my favorite sport, but Kareem Abdul Jabbar is my all time favorite post athlete. I also appreciate the class consistently displayed by LeBron James and Steph Curry.

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    JMG says:

    Most underrated great player in basketball history. And he’s very highly rated.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    Jabbar broke Walton’s jaw during a charity game several years ago. They both laugh now.

    Maybe, but I’ll bet Walton was careful to keep his distance. Not easy to laugh convincingly when you reconstructed jaw is wired in place.

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    raven says:

    Fifty years ago he was the most dominant college basketball player America had ever seen. Between 1967 and 1969, he led UCLA to three consecutive national titles and an 88-2 record. Yet, his legacy transcends the game; in the age of Black Power, he redefined the political role of black college athletes. In 1968, when black collegians debated boycotting the Olympics, Lew Alcindor, as he was then still known, emerged as the most prominent face in the revolt on campus.

    Why did Alcindor refuse to play in the Olympics? To answer that question we have to return to Harlem, New York, in July 1964, the first of many long, hot summers.

    Basketball player Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (center), then Lew Alcindor, speaks at a news conference at the Power Memorial High School gymnasium in New York City.

    The death of James Powell, a 15-year-old black youth from the Bronx, outraged Alcindor. On a sweltering July day in 1964, outside an apartment building on Manhattan’s Upper East Side, Lt. Thomas Gilligan, a white off-duty cop, shot and killed James, piercing the ninth-grader’s chest with a bullet from a .38 revolver. Conflicting accounts grayed a story that many saw in black and white. Gilligan, a 37-year-old war veteran, claimed that James charged at him with a knife, but bystanders insisted that James was unarmed.

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    Kathleen says:

    Nice recap of his career, including his decision to begin yoga classes in the 70’s. I’ve read in other articles where he credits his yoga practice for longevity of his basketball career.

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    Yarrow says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: Kareen Abdul Jabbar was on Dancing with the Stars a few seasons ago. Some non-sports people might have seen him there.

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    raven says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Horseshit, I was born at night but not last night. They were no different than anyone else.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @lamh36: He repeated it on the House floor because he thinks, mistakenly, if he does that, his earlier threat by tweet can now not be prosecuted because of the speech and debate clause. Gaetz isn’t very bright.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    I’m sticking with Pat Fucking Tillman.

    There ARE atheists in foxholes.

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    Kathleen says:

    @raven: Here’s a quote about the Olympics from the linked article (#51):

    Alcindor was urged to play on the United States Olympic team in 1968, but he declined, in part due to his distaste for the leadership of the International Olympic Committee, whose President, Avery Brundage, had expressed admiration for the government of Nazi Germany before the Second World War.

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    @raven: The Times has had a long and well known Trojan bias, that’s the reason I stopped my subscription.

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    raven says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Yea and you aren’t biased at all.

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    Brickley Paiste says:

    Mr. Abdul Jabbar sounds like a wise man

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Gaetz isn’t very bright.

    What I like about you, Adam, is your mastery of understatement.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    Dancing with the Has-Beens, more like it. No offense to Jabbar, but that show is such is a transparent vehicle to reinvigorate/launch the contestants’ careers. Not to mention it blatantly panders to it’s target audience of soccer moms by having the male dancers rip off their shirts every five seconds. It’s a corny disgrace to ballroom dancing. Remember when Rick Perry was on a few years back? Palin’s daughter was too at one point. I guess anybody of sufficient notoriety can be a contestant.

    Last season was apparently a shit show because some shock jock radio host most of the viewers didn’t like from the DC area won thanks to his fan base or something. Pissed a lot of people off. There’s no spring season because of it.

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    raven says:

    @Kathleen: Avery Brundage was an Illini (as am I) and had a really ancient view of the Olympics.

    “There are only two kinds of competitors. Those free and independent individuals who are interested in sports for sport’s sake, and those in sports for financial reasons. Olympic glory is for amateurs.”[78]

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    chris says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Haha! No mushrooms here but the burgeoning spring sun keeps illuminating corners of the hovel that I haven’t looked at for… a while. I’m sure the cobweb builders would prefer that I continue to look away.

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    SenyorDave says:

    Kareem is a mensch.

    Here is another good guy, no HOF but a pretty good player in his day. Chris Kluwe was a punter in the NFL for 8 years. He might have been fired/blackballed because he was outspoken in his support for gay rights, especially marriage equality. When the Access Hollywood tape came out and Trump and the GOP said it was just locker room talk, Kluwe wrote a letter that was published as op-ed. My favorite section was this:

    Now, Donald, I’m sure you’re wondering just what it is we talk about in a professional locker room, if we don’t spend all our time regarding 50 percent of the population as mobile fuck receptacles eagerly awaiting our tiny-handed grasp on their love lapels. I shall educate you!

    Here is a link to the entire letter:

    If Trump does run again, I want ads to remind people of what Trump said. If Trump runs a huge portion of the campaign has to be his total lack of character.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Adam L Silverman: He’s kind of dumb. And not to be trusted. In addition to being buddies with Roger Stone,
    Matt Gaetz Is the Trumpiest Congressman in Trump’s Washington

    Gaetz’s life outside the office isn’t limited to interrupted dates and chance run-ins with Gorka. He says he also recently shared breakfast with Erik Prince, who wanted to chat about Bitcoin. He also says he received an invitation from Congressman Dana Rohrabacher to dine with him and disgraced former lobbyist Jack Abramoff. Uncharacteristically, Gaetz declined.

    It’s a buffet of traitors!

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    lamh36 says:

    @Yarrow: Yas!!! I’m already trying to see when I can get a good deal…I’m in the fan club, so I can actually use pre-sale meaning I can buy tickets like 2 days before they go on sale…and I suspect they’ll sell out quick!

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @MomSense: I get a lot of joy from the flotsam I’ve collected. The pieces and parts often get used in my latest creation. I wouldn’t let that woman near my pile of crap.

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    @raven: They hire Daily Trojan alums, bias doesn’t come into play.

    ETA: This may change with the new ownership.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Pithy Maxim is my middle name.

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    Barbara says:

    Kareem Abdul Jabbar was my father’s favorite player, the epitome of a scholar athlete. I love reading whatever he writes.

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    MomSense says:

    @A Ghost To Most:

    I’ve got tons of fabrics and old textiles that I’m cutting and turning into other things. Sooo much fabric.

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    lamh36 says:

    Watching Finding Your Roots on PBS. Tonight’s guest: Micheal Moore (bleh), Laura Linney (yay) and Chloe Sevigny (yay again)

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    Heidi Mom says:

    @Mike in NC: Indeed! I really liked both of his Mycroft Holmes novels.

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    chris says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Gaetz isn’t very bright.

    Federal witness tampering is a fraught and desperate maneuver. Federal witness tampering in public is submoronic. I mean to say it’s vegetative.— David Simon (@AoDespair) 26 February 2019

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Yarrow: And Speaker Pelosi is on the case!

    Young Congressman Gaetz is going to be spending some time in detention.

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    lamh36 says:

    Awww shit…Laura Linney’s Great Grand-daddy…was living the single life in NC…so Granny in Florida told folks he was dead…

    well damn!

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    Yarrow says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: I wasn’t commenting on the show, just that he had been on it and people who aren’t sports fans may watch it.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @MomSense: I hoard leather and brass. And walnut. They are my primary mediums .

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    You ever heard of the Fallout series? Just be thankful it’s not Elder Maxson

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @lamh36: It’s a repeat, Chloe Sevigny turns out to be Michael Moore’s great grand aunt.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    Oh I know! I just couldn’t pass up a chance to bash on it though. Want to hear my thoughts on the Bachelor/Bachelorette? ; )

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @lamh36: Also, why is X-23 having her DNA sequenced. We already know she’s a clone!

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    Martin says:

    A good friend of ours dated Kareem for a while sometime after his divorce. She speaks glowingly of him. Lots of good/funny stories.

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    lamh36 says:

    I’m glad that at least Laura Linney wasn’t surprised about her family owning slaves or being a confederate

    I’m just saying any white person with ancestors in the South, should just expect it by now #findingyourroots

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    Yarrow says:

    @lamh36: Cool! I saw a piece on it on and they said it’s going to be sort of a history of her life, from being a little kid in the shadow of her older brothers to breaking out on her own to now.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @chris: That’s just being mean to vegetables.

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    kindness says:

    I know it isn’t but that caterpillar looks suspiciously like a tomato worm. Without the hook on it’s head. Still, too close to not make me have to subvert my instincts with such critters.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: I have no idea what you’re talking about.

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    lamh36 says:

    Laura Linny’s anscetor died as a Conferderate soldier from “a musket ball through the bowels”


    Laura was like…”oh…well…”

    She just shrugged..BWHAHA


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    hilts says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Gaetz isn’t very bright.

    But compared to Donald Trump, I’d place him somewhere between Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    I don’t get the DNA ancestry thing, but then my mother was a genealogy obsessive, and I spent too many summer vacations in cemeteries.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Hey, clones still technically have biological parents, or at least the original did.

    Also, please get the icky girl cooties out of my comic books and stop replacing male superheroes with them // Comicsgate

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Nancy SMASH!

    I encourage all Members to be mindful that comments made on social media or in the press can adversely affect the ability of House Committees to obtain the truthful and complete information necessary to fulfill their duties.

    That sentence definitely sparked joy!

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    lamh36 says:

    Wow shortage of brides in Canada back in the day… 6 men for every 1 woman…

    Sevigny’s ancestor, was one of the “Filles du Roi” in Québec could choose who they married. There were not arranged marriages.

    She had 6 children under the age of 11 and she was ONLY 28!!!

    Wow…2 months to the day of his death…married another dude and had 8 MORE!!!!!

    I’m exhausted for her!!!

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    Yarrow says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Nancy SMASH is the best!

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: Not really, no. Those shows are drama and eye candy for people who like that sort of thing. Once in awhile a relationship works out and people get married.

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    Adam L Silverman says:


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    Mike S says:

    I was lucky enough to see many of the Showtime Laker games and a number of those were in the championships. I was also fortunate enough to be in a long line with Magic during the Obama/Hillary battle. I asked him why he wasn’t out door knocking for Hillary and he said “I did my part now she has to do hers.” I told him I supported Obama and we both agreed that we were lucky to have two fantastic people to choose from. Magic was the most gracious athlete I’ve ever met. We talked for a half hour and I never felt like he wanted to be left alone. Once we were through the line he took pictures with and signed autographs for anyone who asked. It took him an hour to get from immigration to the doors of the airport. He and Kareem are LA treasures.

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    Yarrow says:

    @lamh36: That sounds exhausting!

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    Martin says:


    Wow shortage of brides in Canada back in the day… 6 men for every 1 woman…

    Maybe just a lot of gay Canadians?

    I went to a college that was 8 women to each guy, but it wasn’t exactly what a male college student might imagine as the college had a quiet reputation (in the 80s) for being a safe space for lesbians, and so many chose to go to school there for that reason.

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    Jager says:


    They do its a club team

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    I was being kinda flippant, Yarrow. Just joking. My guilty pleasure is Hell’s Kitchen and Kitchen Nightmares tbf, so I get it.

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Well, nobody asked you 😛

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    hilts says:


    Q: How will Trump feel after Michael Cohen delivers his public testimony tomorrow?
    A: Not as bad as Laura Linney’s Confederate ancestor, but I expect his bowels will be in a considerable uproar.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Are you familiar with Fallout at all?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: I had the basic CBRN response training, including how to get the suit out of the special foil packaging, before I deployed to Iraq.

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    Yarrow says:

    @lamh36: That sounds like a tough way to go.

    I think it’s weird when people like Ben Affleck didn’t want his episode aired because his ancestor was a slave owner. Dude, it’s what happened. Learn about it. Learn from it. I don’t get why anyone would go on that show and then try to hide the results. Talk about lack of character.

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    Chris Kluwe was a punter in the NFL for 8 years

    Also, a Bruin.

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    Ruckus says:

    You have a closet like Monica on Friends. Apt is beyond spotless, everything has a place and everything is in that place. Her closet though…….

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    SFAW says:


    Also, a Bruin.

    What is it with you and the Broons? Was Bobby Orr one of your heroes? Coulda picked worse, that’s for sure.

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    Jay says:


    The French Colonies in Canada were rather perilous, for a long time, and tended towards attracting single men, ( often retired French soldiers already in the Colonies), and few families or women.

    It’s why we have Metis.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    My all time favorite player. I consider him the GOAT. His autobiography Giant Steps is sensational, which you would expect from a history major.

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    hilts says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I believe Trump’s IQ is considerably lower than Mariano Rivera’s career ERA.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    How did the ESPN story manage to mention Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s achievements in basketball but leave out that he is also an acclaimed writer and an outstanding example of A Good Person?

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    lamh36 says:

    @Martin: this was like way back in the day in Canada in Quebec when in was still a ruled by France

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    This is my favorite post athlete!

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    joel hanes says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷:

    Want to hear my thoughts on the Bachelor/Bachelorette?


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    raven says:

    @Amir Khalid: It’s a short piece that was telling this story specifically. Most people with a pulse (especially “progressives) are familiar with his work.

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    scott alloway says:

    @MomSense: A Celtic fan here, too, but a KAJ fan since way back. Remember the Elvin Hayes/KJA matchups in 1968? Although I’m only four years younger, my youth passed when he retired. A great person.

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    lamh36 says:

    @Yarrow: no sense. and not for nothing, but Skip Gates can be a bit problematic when romanticizing some things, so Ben not wanting it shared is stupid anyway, it’s not like Gates would hold it against him.

    And besides which, many times they find something so intriguing that owning slaves, amazingly, is the LEAST interesting thing about each guest’s ancestry.

    Ben was an idiot

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    LOL. This Fallout

    As for Elder Arthur Maxson, he’s basically Adolf Hitler when it comes to synths (AI androids that look and act like humans) and other sentient mutants.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    @joel hanes:
    See comment 104.

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    geg6 says:


    I was a diehard Lakers fan back then, due solely to Kareem. I adore him and always have.

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    Raven says:

    @scott alloway: He’s 2 years older than me. He was a freshman at UCLA when I went in the Army. The impact of people like him and Ali was incredibly profound in the military of that time.

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    Martin says:

    @lamh36: What, you think Harvey Milk invented gays in the 70s? Maybe Canada was unspoken gay haven back then – a place they could go without having their mothers nagging them about settling down. “Sorry Mom, there’s like 4 women up here so it’s really tough. I’ll just keep hanging out with Guillaume for now.” Maybe this is why Canadians are nice – people got to move there and be themselves.

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    Mary G says:

    Kareem is a class act all the way down. I was lucky enough to meet him after he retired and some male fans were getting all chesty and pushy and he politely but completely shut them down and talked to a couple of 9-year-old twins for a good 15 minutes. His columns in Time have been must-reads for me.

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    Yarrow says:

    @lamh36: We’ve certainly found out that Ben is an idiot in several ways. I remember when that made news and it was just so dumb. I mean, white people, the South. Gonna be some slave owning in there somewhere. I got the impression Ben thought it would make him look bad and maybe negatively affect his career, which is just so dumb. It’s his ancestor, not him. How he reacts to it and deals with it is how he’ll be judged. I guess we learned how that worked out.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Was wondering if you’d gotten a picture.

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    What is it with you and the Broons?

    Broons are in Boston, Bruins are in Westwood.

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    @Elizabelle: Capture from my dashcam video.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Mary G: He’s such a class act. I love the story in the original post. Things are just things. He wants to help people.

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    MoxieM says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Only we Scots we throw phone poles around for sport. But then, we also eat haggis. (Yes, “we Scots” loosely speaking; yes, I know it’s a caber.)

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    Jay says:


    And the French Colonial economic model was that “settlement” was to facillitate the trade with the Indigenous tribes, and provide food security and military security for the colonies. It was kinda an anti-colonial policy.

    Much like the later HBC policies in Ruperts Land.

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    Yarrow says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: One time I rolled up to the laundromat I did my laundry at to find the weinermobile parked out front. That was kind of fun. I met the two folks who were driving it around the country. They gave me a wienermobile whistle I still have somewhere.

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    Kayla Rudbek says:

    And more Kareem Abdul-Jabbar at the National Trademark Expo in 2018

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @lamh36: And what happens next? Intimidating witnesses should have serious consequences but Republicans seem to get away with pretty much every dang thing.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    Oh, I’m a lumberjack
    And I’m ok

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: I still have no idea what you’re talking about. But I’m okay with that.

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    @Yarrow: The reason I was really surprised to see the wienermobile is that this is a really twisty mountain road and the only thing at the end is a campground and a general store*.

    *For SoCal locals, it’s highway 39 that goes up the San Gabriel canyon.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @MoxieM: The wee Scots aren’t really built for tossing cabers…

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    Elizabelle says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: It was hijacked!

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    Kayla Rudbek says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: Lois McMaster Bujold has quite a bit to say about clones, starting here, Brothers in Arms (Although the first book I picked up in the series was the next one, Mirror Dance). Myself, I say we go with Betan-style laws/ethics rules for starters

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @lamh36: One of my Frog-Canuck ancestors was a Filles du Roi. I even found her name on the list at my link.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Raven: Jim Brown, first team All-American in lacrosse. Can you imagine him running at you holding a stick?

    I hear he had a decent gridiron career too.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Honestly, it was was just some silly reference I was trying to make since “Maxim” reminded me of “Maxson”.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: She would have been, of course, a Fille du Roi.


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    Raven says:

    @Gin & Tonic: My old man used to have a fit because he got up slowly and walked back to the huddle! he hated Ali too.

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    hilts says:

    More Kareem Abdul Jabbar from C-SPAN

    Kareem discussing the book he co-authored, Brothers in Arms: The Epic Story of the 761st Tank Battalion, WWII’s Forgotten Heroes. The book chronicles the all-black tank battalion of Patton’s Third Army in intimate detail.

    Kareem discussing his children’s book, What Color Is My World?: The Lost History of African-American Inventors.

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    Mr Stagger Lee says:

    I hope those rings end up with some one who would donate them to the Basketball Hall of Fame or the National Museum of African American History and Culture not in some scumbag Wall St Sports Collector like what tragically happened to Jesse Owens’ Medals.

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    lamh36 says:


    5h5 hours ago
    Sen. Kamala Harris, leaving the classified hearing with Michael Cohen, declined to comment but said: “Yes” when asked if she learned anything new.

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    @Jay: I’m just glad that former Speaker Rayn has found some honest work.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I did the course and could attach the alpha-numeric to my 13A MOS if I remembered it. Oddly, I do remember the 05P one.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Gin & Tonic: What if there was a lot of her?

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    Mr Stagger Lee says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Jim Brown is also in the National Lacrosse Hall of Fame.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @lamh36: Why was his hearing classified? He doesn’t hold a clearance.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Only if there were many of her.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    Since you took the course, did they teach you how to somehow survive a nuclear detonation/it’s after effects?

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    hilts says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Jim Brown, first team All-American in lacrosse.

    While I have great respect for Jim Brown’s achievements on the football field, he lost me with his support for Trump

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    lamh36 says:

    HHS docs show thousands of alleged incidents of sexual abuse against unaccompanied minors in custody @CNNPolitics

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    SFAW says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:


    I was tempted to ask “As opposed to a Limey-Canuck?” but I realized that’s a null set.

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    rikyrah says:

    Waiting for the results from today’s primary. Could be that we have two Black women as the final two candidates for Mayor of Chicago.

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    Mary G says:

    The whole post Kareem wrote about his decision to sell is fascinating:

    Whenever a famous athlete announces they are putting up a treasure trove of their sports memorabilia for auction, fans usually think the worst. What kind of Dickensian hard times have befallen our beloved hero that they are forced to part with the bejeweled rings, shiny trophies, and other glittery flotsam that has drafted in the wake of their rise to glory. The spoils of a lifetime of hard work, intense discipline, and chronic injuries. “Oh, how the mighty have fallen,” the fans will wail with some mixture of sadness and the knowing nod of inevitability. “Well, it happens to the best of ‘em.” They aren’t wrong. There is a long list of athletes who have sold their prized memorabilia in order to keep the debt collectors at bay. Fortunately, that’s not the case for me.

    Although I had a well-publicized setback many years ago, I was able to find the right help when I teamed up with Deborah Morales at Iconomy to help me in my post-career life. Through her Lifetime Legacy Planning, she was able to put me on a solid financial path that allowed me to pursue my passions for writing and collecting. Such planning can be the difference between a post-career of fulfilling activities or a post-career of scrambling after every meager payday.

    Why then am I auctioning off my sports memorabilia? I’ve been a collector most of my life. When I was in high school and broke, I collected books that I loved: The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes, The Three Musketeers, The Count of Monte Cristo, and all the other adventure stories that made me envision an exciting life beyond the confines of my New York City housing project. That’s basically what any collector hopes to achieve, regardless of what they are collecting: a window into an exotic world that is different than their own. Whether it’s baseball cards, Barbie dolls, or fancy watches, each item in the collection comes with a story, and that story is more valuable to the collector than the item itself.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Gin & Tonic: You went inside her head, were you? There could have been lost of people there.*

    *Okay, I thought it was easier to copy and paste from lamb’s comment and I fucking forgot to delete the ‘s.’ Are you happy now, you monster?

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    SFAW says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Some have considered him the greatest college lax man ever. Don’t know if I agree, but I hear he was pretty damn good.

    And from Long Island! Lacrosse capital of the U!S!A!

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    JanieM says:


    Jabbar broke Walton’s jaw during a charity game several years ago. They both laugh now.

    Seriously? I thought Walton could barely walk after having his ankles surgically fused years ago.

    Kareem did break Kent Benson’s jaw a long long time ago….

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    lamh36 says:

    Nomiki Konst got 2.34% of the vote. 😂

    8:37 PM – Feb 26, 2019

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    Jay says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Meuller Time for a start.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: Not really. I did learn that not being there when it happens is a good plan – as is not being downwind. The rest gets very technical very fast and is also so classified that, if I told you, Adam would have to kill you.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: We got a bargain basement version. I basically learned that by the time I got the protective suit out of the foil packaging and got it on I would have been dead for at least nine minutes.

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    SFAW says:


    but said: “Yes” when asked if she learned anything new.

    Actually, what she said was “Yes. I learned that Matt Gaetz is a witness-tampering asshole who better lawyer-up PDQ if he wants to stay out of jail.”

    Well, OK, maybe she didn’t use those exact words. But I know it’s what she meant to say.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Gin & Tonic: The classification nature of the hearing didn’t have anything to do with Cohen having a clearance, which he doesn’t and never did. It was classified because the material he was presenting to the committee is information that the committee feels needs to be classified at this time.

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    hilts says:

    @Raven: @Mr Stagger Lee:

    Jim Brown has moved a very long way since 1967:

    Former Cleveland Browns legend Jim Brown has thrown his support behind President Donald Trump, who he feels has been unfairly singled out by the media.

    The Pro Football Hall of Famer admitted some of Trump’s policies deserved criticism but insisted the treatment the media reserved for the president had convinced him to support Trump.

    “I should be criticizing Trump on every level because he does certain things that call for criticism but when I look at television I see all these announcers become experts and they’re pointing the fingers and they’re not doing a doggone thing but pointing their fingers, I find myself really pulling for the president,” Brown said on The JT The Brick Show on Fox Sports Radio.


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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Adam L Silverman: So you were pretty quick with the suit then…

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Speaking of basements, how fucked would someone be in the normal basement of a wooden residential house within the air blast radius of a typical ICBM in the Russian arsenal? Would the house just collapse on top of them into the basement?

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    SFAW says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷:

    how fucked would someone be

    I believe the phrase is “well and truly.”

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    opiejeanne says:

    @lamh36: I now her name but can’t remember why.
    Is her loss good or bad?

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    Did you ever see the film of US soldiers from the 1950s walking towards a mushroom cloud? I can’t believe the US Govt did shit like that to soldiers then. That just couldn’t happen today, not without serious backlash.

    Anyway, what’s the matter? Have to have Adam do your dirty work for you?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: @SFAW: SFAW pretty much nailed it.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    if I told you, Adam would have to kill you.

    The Zima will take care of that soon enough…

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Sure, sure…

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷:

    I can’t believe the US Govt did shit like that to soldiers then. That just couldn’t happen today, not without serious backlash.

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha!!!!! Gasp, gasp! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha….

    Anyway, what’s the matter? Have to have Adam do your dirty work for you?

    I am lazy.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: That’s a question for Cheryl. And I’m not joking – that question is well out of my area of expertise.

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    Jay says:


    “Nomiki Konst is an activist and pundit. She worked for The Young Turks and Our Revolution, a progressive political action organization developed from the Bernie Sanders 2016 presidential campaign. Konst is a candidate for the 2019 New York City Public Advocate special election.[1]”

    How was the driving today?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @opiejeanne: One of Bernie’s catspaws. He put her on his group of delegates to the DNC’s Unity Commission last year with Nina Turner and James Zogby. All three of them wore out their welcomes really fast. She’s a fraud, has never been able to hold down a job, and is largely obnoxious.

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    rikyrah says:

    Evil Azz Demons 😈😈😠

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    Jay says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    If you google nuclear tests, structures, you will get lots of photos of suburban housing getting completely destroyed by the air blast.

    So, if you are hiding under a table in the basement, in a few microseconds you will become more wood than flesh.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    Surely you’ve been subjected to “Thank Your For Your Service” many times before. Our culture tends to venerate active military and veterans, no matter how shallowly. If something like this got out, and it would, there would be massive outrage.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    No problem. I know it would depend on a lot of factors, such as the number of megatons in the nuclear device, the distance from ground zero, etc.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @opiejeanne: @Jay: This Politico article provides a thorough review of the Nomi Konst experience.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Reminds me of a safety briefing we had before taking a brief cruise on Lago Argentino. When they told us where the PFD’s were and how to put them on I turned to my wife and said “why bother?” You’ll be dead before a rescue vessel gets near you.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Jay: Oddly enough, in a previous profession, I got to see a bunch of things like that. And nice, pretty images of chemical warfare casualties from the Iran-Iraq War too.

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷:

    If something like this got out, and it would, there would be massive outrage.

    I tend to doubt that.

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    Jay says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Don’t need to read it. Just saw all the “Ususal Suspects” orgs in the wiki to know that she’s poison.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: This is why, if you move to DC, you want to live in the city and not in the suburbs. You’ll have a lot fewer things to worry about when the time comes.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @opiejeanne: She’s a Bernie-bot who ran for NYC Public Advocate and got her ass handed to her.

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    Jay says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Could be worse, apparent the safety briefing at CFB Alert starts out with “don’t let the wolves lick you”,

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Pretty much.

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    Jay says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    You won’t have time to worry when the time comes. Like the old bug/windshield joke.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Yeah. Global nuclear war wouldn’t mean the end of life on Earth or even humanity, but it would mean the end of modern civilization. Hundreds of millions would die in the initial exchange, but a few billion would die in the months and years afterwards. Would probably be better to be vaporized.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:


    “don’t let the wolves lick you”,

    Now you tell me.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: The semi-famous quote that JFK incorrectly attributed to Krushchev was “the living will envy the dead” (it was actually Herman Kahn in Thinking the Unthinkable and phrased as a question.)

    These people were all long ago.

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    Jay says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷:

    Nope. Everybody dies. Some in the blast, some from radiation, most from starvation and disease.

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    Jay says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Artic Wolves are small, very very fluffy, bright white, with deep dark black eyes and a button nose. It’s how everything kills you in the arctic, with cuteness.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    Nuclear winter has been discredited. It’s known now that wouldn’t likely happen. A billion or so dead and most of modern civilization destroyed would be a bad enough outcome.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    @Gin & Tonic:
    Just think, a nuclear war in the 1960s wouldn’t have been nearly as bad as one in the 1980s. Not sure about today, but it would be awful.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Jay: Cuteness?! There is a reason my Frog-Canuck ancestors moved to the tropical climate of Wisconsin.

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    Jay says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷:

    Nope, read the link. It’s as real as Climate Change.

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    Jay says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Yup, cuteness. Arctic Wolves are cute, Polar Bears are cute, Arctic Hares are cute. Did you know they eat meat?

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    StringOnAStick says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I’ve been licked by a wolf, it was surreal. She was mostly tame, I was right by her human, and she was stunningly beautiful with sparkling eyes. The last one may be because she liked the appetizer.

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    Jay says:


    That’s how they get you.

    Maybe just one little pet won’t hurt,….

    Skip, ship, bounce. Why don’t you pet me over here?

    Where did all therse wolves come from?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Jay: I would still trust them over the common house cat.

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    burnspbesq says:


    Not those Bruins. The University of Common Little Adults.

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    Jay says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Nope. House cats are easy.

    There’s actually a study done, dogs over the years have learned to mimic humans, cat’s don’t. When a reposed cat makes eye contact for a few minutes, it’s their way of expressing love.

    North American wolves vs. Cougars, different story. I have been hunted by cougars.

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    Suzanne says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷:

    I’d never heard of Jabbar until now.

    Holy shitballs, for reals?
    I am not a sports fan, I am not THAT much older than you…..and even I adore Kareem.
    One of the GOAT.

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    TomatoQueen says:

    Kareem just gets better and better, wonderful man. And yes I’m a Bruin daughter, but still, I know great when I see it.

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    @burnspbesq: Ah, a comment from one of the Spoiled Children.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:


    I have been hunted by cougars.

    If you find that to be a problem, you should find a different bar.

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    Jay says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Different cougar.

    Now adays most of the “cougars” you are referring to, I call charming young women.

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    Kayla Rudbek says:

    @Gin & Tonic: or even parts of the suburbs depending on what size of bomb they drop on the Pentagon, my onsite colleagues and I would be gone in fairly short order if the strike simulator is correct. I really hate the nightmares I have about a stray missile heading through my office window, and the one about my metro stop being a post-apocalypse ruin. If I survive until retirement, I am going to sell and move out of here. It will be interesting to figure out where to move that’s large enough to have certain stores and small enough to not be a nuclear target, and avoiding flooding from climate change.

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    Searcher says:

    I know the show isn’t in vogue nowadays, but I loved his guest spot on The Big Bang Theory.

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    Jay says:

    @Kayla Rudbek:

    Don’t worry. You probably won’t feel a thing. One moment you will be cleaning spam out of your email folder, the next, gone.

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    JustRuss says:

    I’ve been reading Jabar’s autobiography for the past couple weeks, great stuff if you were into the NBA in the 70s or 80s. Met him for a few seconds years ago when he was promoting Black Profiles in Courage, he spoke and signed books.

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