Late Night Diversion Open Thread: It’s In the Blood

“I’m a bird dog, retrieving some… pre-born birds!”

Also, bad news for Peter ‘Bathory’ Thiel, from Bloomberg:

Taking a young person’s plasma and infusing it into an older person to ward off aging — a therapy that’s fascinated some of the biggest names in Silicon Valley — has no proven clinical benefit, the Food and Drug Administration said.

The agency issued a safety alert on Tuesday about the infusion of plasma from young donors for the prevention of conditions such as aging or memory loss, or for the treatment of such conditions as dementia, Parkinson’s disease, multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer’s disease, heart disease or post‐traumatic stress disorder…

Ambrosia’s website was updated Tuesday to say it has “ceased patient treatments” in compliance with the FDA’s advisory

… Plasma infusion is an approved use by the FDA in trauma settings or in patients whose blood doesn’t coagulate. But, the FDA says, there are risks, including allergic reactions, circulatory overload, lung injury and infectious disease transmission.

“We’re concerned that some patients are being preyed upon by unscrupulous actors touting treatments of plasma from young donors as cures and remedies,” Gottlieb and Marks said. “Such treatments have no proven clinical benefits for the uses for which these clinics are advertising them, and are potentially harmful.”

34 replies
  1. 1
    Adam L Silverman says:

    The scheduler had hung your post up, so I fixed it for you.

  2. 2
    StringOnAStick says:

    I guess Thiel will have to do it old school now*.

    * Volcano, virgins, some assembly required, etc.

  3. 3
    dmsilev says:

    Dick Cheney should be fine though: absorbing lifeforce directly from one’s victims is still valid.

  4. 4
    Yarrow says:

    I love that video so much! That dog knows what it did!

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    Joe Falco says:

    Well, there goes all the plasma centers. Now how will starving college kids afford their meals?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Joe Falco: Sell some stock. Hey, poor Mitt Romney had to do it.

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    MomSense says:

    In WTF news today, apparently there were three buckets full of highly radioactive uranium just sitting in the Hrand Canyon National Park visitors center for almost two decades. 2 second exposure for kids and 3 second exposure for adults exceeded the US safety standards. They were in the taxidermy room.
    teenager found radioactive material in Grand Canyon museum

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    eemom says:


    Apt ref. She was indeed a forerunner to today’s billionaires.

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    AThornton says:

    Taking a young person’s plasma and infusing it into an older person to ward off aging

    One of the ongoing annoyances of Silicon Valley Techbrodom is their grotesque ignorance of anything having to do with Biology coupled with their Dunning-Kruger contempt for the field and the people who do have said knowledge. Steve Jobs being – the now dead – the poster child. Only someone who is a total ignoramus could think blood transfusion has fuck all to do with the slow breakdown of a cell’s molecular biology.

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    Yarrow says:

    “We’re concerned that some patients are being preyed upon by unscrupulous actors touting treatments of plasma from young donors as cures and remedies,”

    No. Way. Unscrupulous actors in Silicon Valley? Say it isn’t so!

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    Amir Khalid says:

    I clicked the Bloomberg link and it autoplayed a video AT FULL VOLUME.

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    dmsilev says:

    @AThornton: Theranos, and in particular their success in raising lots of money, is another example of that syndrome.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    The wealthy and old engage in literal vampirism.

  14. 14
    Steeplejack says:

    Steep home safe and sound from his travels. Joyous reunion with the housecat. She got fed and now she’s in the crook of my arm as I check the computer. Going to bed soon. Snow in the morning!

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    Steeplejack says:

    An acquaintaince of mine is interviewing Randy Rainbow tomorrow (Wednesday). Anybody have any questions they’d like to see asked, post ’em and I’ll send them along if I’m coherent in the morning.

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    Duane says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: Vampirism is my live-forever plan. Maybe we could work together. Know any vampires?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Duane: I went with having my portrait painted.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: by jacy? If can pull that off, it will be the end of her money problems!

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    Yarrow says:

    @Duane: I met a guy who told me he was a vampire. He worked at a gas station. He had done something to his teeth–filed them down or had something added, I don’t know–so he had these sharp fangs. He wore a cape. It was weird.

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    SRW1 says:

    Taking a young person’s plasma and infusing it into an older person to ward off aging — a therapy that’s fascinated some of the biggest names in Silicon Valley — has no proven clinical benefit, the Food and Drug Administration said.

    I’ve been saying all along that it only works if the donor is a virgin and the transfusion happens at full moon.

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    jl says:

    Geez. I can’t find a transcript of Klobuchar’s town hall. Anyone know where I can find one? I can find endless transcripts of CNN news actors and pundit fraud shitwits shooting the shit.

    From what I’ve read, and clips I watched, I thought it was very disappointing. I don’t know who is going to vote for someone who wants to be a reassuring centrist who will try to reach across the aisle and find common ground. We saw almost eight years of that with Obama. Been there, tried that.

    I don’t know who is going to get fired up by someone who sits around and says ‘hey, great progressive idea, good discussion starter’ or ‘great progressive idea, but whoa there, we want to be all moderate and sensible’. We’ve also been down the HRC competence road. Her ‘economics first’ approach to systematic racism (which is how I understood her answer) ranks almost with BS in his worst moments. And who thinks worrying about uncle Dick or Rick or whoever in the duck blind is going to help at all with most of the gun control debate? Uncle Rick or Dick or whoever buying AR-15s for duck hunting at gun shows?

    Yeesh. If she keeps this up, Klobuchar will be down there with Biden in flopping, IMHO. She was also inarticulate and some of her statements made no sense or meant nothing interesting. She wants kids who can afford to pay for college to be able to pay for it? Really? Well, I want 2 + 2 to be equal to 4. Bold. Leadership!

    If anyone can tell me how to find an actual transcript of the town hall, let me know. I guess I should have watched if CNN only puts out transcripts for their SOP broadcast crap. But from reading her answers and watching clips, I would have blown a gasket.

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    AThornton says:


    Yup. $100 million for a bunch of baloney.

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    eemom says:


    Snow in the morning!

    I’m kind of looking forward to it too. Always nice to have a fresh excuse to not go anywhere.

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    Duane says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Well, that’s one way to go. Now what to do with all that plasma.

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    plato says:

    Of course, man is the worst animal.

    It was described in 2016 as the first mammalian extinction caused by human-induced climate change.

    Now the eradication of the Bramble Cay melomys has been officially recognised by Australia, its only known home.

    The rodent lived solely on a tiny sand island in the Torres Strait, near the coast of Papua New Guinea (PNG). The species has not been seen since 2009.

    Scientists say there is a chance that an identical or similar species could yet be discovered in PNG.

    But they’re uncertain because PNG’s nearby Key River region has been little documented by research.

    Australia has one of world’s highest rates of animal extinction, says the International Union for Conservation of Nature.

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    Achrachno says:

    I wonder if that dog just doesn’t like eggs. Soft mouthed retriever seems like an inadequate explanation.

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    Geeno says:

    @eemom: Erszabet Bathory was maligned. She was a woman legally in the way of some “more worthy (male) inheritor”, and was imprisoned for insanity — the whole blood bathing thing — but young women did not go missing during the countess’s reign in an abnormal rate. Sure, she had lower lifes done, but no more than other lords in area at that time. She might have been crazy, but the blood bathing thing isn’t real. In fact, because blood coagulates so quickly when exposed to air, you can’t actually “bathe” in blood. If you fill a tub with blood, it will coagulate into a huge blood clot in seconds. No bathing opportunities.

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    Mike J says:


    you can’t actually “bathe” in blood.

    Not with that attitude you can’t.

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    eemom says:


    um… a cite for any of that? Aside from the coagulation, I mean.

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    Cermet says:

    @AThornton: Worse, that interpretation of the actual experiment is utterly wrong. Two mice – one young, one old had their circulatory systems connected directly together for a long time (compared to the life span of mice.) No one said this is the same as transfusions – that is a extremely speculative assumption not based on the experiment at all. The organs of the young mouse where what was processing the blood for both, and creating many chemicals via its organs of a bio-active nature in response to the old mouse blood entering its young body; i.e. their are many unknowns but only a simpleton (but for silicon valley, I am being redundant) would jump to the conclusion that young people’s blood via transfusions will provide any real benefit, much less for so short an exposure period. Far more stupidity is occurring as the FDA pointed out! So besides being unsafe, transfusions from young donors have essentially zero proof that it will do what a completely different and uncorrelated experiment showed. Morons one and all that came to this conclusion.

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    sm*t cl*de says:

    @Joe Falco:

    Now how will starving college kids afford their meals?

    They weren’t paid.
    “HuffPost found that at least some of Karmazin’s young plasma came from a nonprofit blood bank in Texas that recruited teenage donors for “saving lives,”

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @StringOnAStick: Thiel has no doubt sent minions to visit Norman Spinrad seeking to buy his research notes for Bug Jack Barron in the dunningkrugerrific hope it might have been an instruction manual.

    Well hey, Norman, sell ’em if you got ’em – might as well make a few bux off the stupid putz to comfort your old age.

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    jl says:

    @Steeplejack (phone): thanks very much for the link.

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