The Coup Will Be Televised

This just in:

President Trump will support a sweeping budget and border compromise and declare a national emergency at the same time, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said Thursday.

McConnell has already signaled he’ll support Trump’s move.

Until its members prove otherwise, the Republican Party is all-in on government by executive fiat, better known as a dictatorship. We appear to be at gut-check time for American democracy.

I’m sure I and/or other FPers will be posting more as events advance. I can say for my part I’ve never feared more for our polity.

PS:  Alternate image:

Image: The Downfall of the Dictators is Assured British propaganda poster betw. 1939 and 1945.

Alternate image: Painting of the USS Dictator — a monitor at war with America’s home-grown traitors in 1864 and 1865

189 replies
  1. 1
    NotMax says:

    And will sign an executive order renaming President’s Day to Me! Me! Me! Day.

    National emergency = D.O.A.

  2. 2
    ruemara says:

    Hang on, I’m sure someone will be in to describe how it’s Obama’s failure to do X.

  3. 3
    Doug R says:

    Strange to release this on a Thursday, it’s almost like they wanted a furious reaction.
    Must be another indictment day tomorrow.
    C’mon Don Junior!

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    Sebastian says:


    It’s always the back guy’s job to clean up white dude’s shit.

    Gawd, I hate all of this.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @NotMax: DOA in the House, certainly. We’ll see whether any Republican Senators buck McConnell and his support for this power grab.

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    @NotMax: Agreed its more Naringi Nautanki.
    Naringi = Orange
    Nautanki = Street theater

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    Eolirin says:

    @Gravenstone: Do we need more than 50 votes in the Senate?

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    Once again, Trump can only get away with this because McConnell would rather be party-loyal than do his job as a leader of a different branch of government.

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    bemused says:

    I despise everyone who voted Republican.

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    JGabriel says:

    WaPo via Tom Levenson @ Top:

    President Trump will support a sweeping budget and border compromise and declare a national emergency at the same time, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said Thursday.

    I’m glad Trump is setting the precedent for a Democratic administration to declare national emergencies over Anthropogenic Global Climate Change and Foreign Electoral Interference.

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    Bostonian says:

    I’m looking forward to seeing what the next President will do with the Trump Rule (that if you don’t like something you don’t need legislation but can just decree a National Emergency and spend money however you like).

    Maybe this is how we get the Green New Deal.

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    dmsilev says:

    @JGabriel: Or Seize All The Guns.

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    rikyrah says:


    I despise everyone who voted Republican.

    Come sit by me.

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    Chyron HR says:


    If Obama wasn’t a neoliberal corporatist shill, he’d have declared a national emergency to get Medicare 4 All, and mint the trillion-dollar penny also, too.

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    chopper says:

    figured this would happen. he knows another shutdown is on him, and hill goopers (eww) told him in no uncertain terms would they take another one.

    the fact that he was even willing to signal that he might sign this deal meant that he had other ideas for his stupid fucking wall.

    any now, on to the lawsuits!

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    chopper says:

    @Chyron HR:

    oh man, the trillion dollar coin. good times. good times.

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    catclub says:


    It’s always the black guy’s job to clean up white dude’s shit.

    Gawd, I hate all of this.

    So the only sure way to get another black president.

    Also, the only emergency is that the House is now held by the Democrats. Everything else was the same the past two years, and no need to declare an emergency.

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    chopper says:


    universal healthcare
    take all thems guns
    abortions for some, miniature american flags for the rest!

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    catclub says:

    @chopper: Trump is probably going to do that – since it is one thing Obama did not do.

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    JGabriel says:

    Doug R:

    Must be another indictment day tomorrow. C’mon Don Junior!

    I could be wrong, but I don’t think indictments of anyone in Trump’s family will be announced until Mueller has rounded up everyone he can from outside the family first.

    Announcing the indictment of a Trump family member will lead to instant dismissal of the Special Counsel and a Constitutional Crisis. We all know something like that is coming, but Mueller’s going to do his best to delay that until all his ducks are lined up and he’s documented every other election-related crime that he can.

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    Kent says:

    So this will set a nice precedent for President Harris to take $50 billion out of the Pentagon Budget or fossil fuel subsidies and devote it to emergency Climate Change initiatives.

    Just saying….

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    Eolirin says:

    @Bostonian: We don’t have the courts, it won’t work for us. And even if it did, the longer term consequences of that becomes that every time the White House changes hands, the President gets to rewrite whatever laws they want, congress ceases to be relevant, and policy flips back and forth chaotically to the point that our system of government becomes untenable to live under. Anything a President can do by themselves the next President can undo by themselves.

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    @rikyrah: My old friend who voted for T is now afraid to come and visit us, after I said that there is no difference between Nazis and Rs when they came to visit last summer

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    chopper says:


    guess that means i’ll have to back booker in 2018. makes sense.

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    feebog says:

    He’s counting on California and possibly New Mexico to sue. He knows this won’t pass muster at either the District Court level or at the 9th Circuit. I think there is a good possibility SCOTUS would punt and leave the 9th circuit ruling in place.

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    Keith P. says:

    Horrible strategy. One month shutdown. A pantsing masquerading as a deal. A guaranteed court challenge where the Dems won’t send workers back home if they win. A difficulty in arguing urgency. What’s the point of a declaration *now*?

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    JGabriel says:


    … the longer term consequences of [declaring national emergencies to bypass Congress] becomes that every time the White House changes hands, the President gets to rewrite whatever laws they want, congress ceases to be relevant, and policy flips back and forth chaotically to the point that our system of government becomes untenable to live under.

    I’m pretty sure we’re already there.

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    chopper says:


    once he realizes that he can have his face minted on the front (and sell cheap knock-offs of it to the rubes), he’s gonna jump on that shit.

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    rikyrah says:

    Now that it has executive precedent, I can’t wait for President Harris to declare a national emergency over:

    • gun violence
    • climate change
    • affordable healthcare
    • voter suppression
    • wealth inequality
    • student loan debt
    • mass incarceration

    — Chris Jackson (@ChrisCJackson) February 14, 2019

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    chopper says:

    mcconnell must have lined up at least some decent support among his caucus for an emergency declaration in the face of the inevitable resolution passing the house. wonder how he held that together.

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    germy says:

    Calling a Black POTUS married 25 yrs to 1 wife with 2 children, no mistresses, affairs or scandals, ‘the antichrist’ but a white POTUS married thrice, 5 kids by 3 women, mistresses, affairs & scandals, ‘God‘s anointed,’ proves your religion is white supremacy.

    — Bishop Talbert Swan (@TalbertSwan) February 13, 2019

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    NotMax says:


    Nazis had spiffier uniforms?


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    @NotMax: When you are tent sized no uniform is going to look good.

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    MJS says:

    Even Ann Coulter gets that there’s no point in declaring the emergency if he signs the bill. And am I reading too much into this, or is the inclusion of a relatively paltry amount for border security a masterstroke on the Dems’ part? Can’t they now argue that the issue of border security has been addressed to Congress’ and the president’s satisfaction, as evidenced by the passage and signing of the bill?

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    A republic, we have lost it.

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    Yellowdog says:

    @JGabriel: Who is left to indict outside of the family?

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    germy says:

    @Yellowdog: McConnell.

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    Yellowdog says:

    @Sebastian: Actually it is usually the women who clean up after male messes. President Harris will do an excellent job.

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    NotMax says:


    Sydney Greenstreet in a Panama suit managed to (you should pardon the expression) pull it off.


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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @Keith P.:

    What’s the point of a declaration *now*?

    They are getting the stench of loser on them so resorting to reckless hippie punching in an attempt to keep the base. Even though by all the stuff I read the budget is pretty much a what the consensus on what’s needed for border security the Republicans are claim it’s a total victory for them because, shut up, that’s why.

    Frankly even the Executive Order sounds like BS too. Trump will wave his hands, some work will start, run out of money and be abandoned.

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    Sebastian says:

    @germy: @chopper:

    Or Kamala or whoever else is qualified. My comment was dripping with bitter sarcasm.

    I am still pissed that the best president of my lifetime was followed by … this.

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    bemused says:


    I can’t even look at people that I suspect voted R.

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    Sebastian says:


    It is. See my response above. My comment was commentary on Obama having to clean up the epic mess GWB left us with. This has been discussed plenty of times.

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    Sebastian says:


    I am not religious anymore but if McConnel gets indicted tomorrow I’ll pay for a new church roof or something.

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    Randalms says:

    @chopper: and also 11 Supreme Court justices. Maybe that can’t be done though

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    rikyrah says:


    I can’t even look at people that I suspect voted R.

    Me either. That’s why I don’t get folks letting people in their house that they know voted for Dolt45, even if they are family. I just can’t get past it, especially since we are still caught up in it. Now, let him be arrested, be thrown in jail, and we get the next Democratic President, along with a Democratic House and Senate….talk to me during the Democratic President’s SECOND term.

    But, right now?

    Nope. In my house?

    Hell muthaphuckin’ no.

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    ruemara says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Good. Because you’re right.

    I’m spitting mad at people now. Left, right & center.

    @rikyrah: I’m willing to never see most of them again.

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    Ryan says:

    But what about Obama hiring Steve Rattner to serve as his car czar? So really, both sides are equally to blame.

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    Leto says:

    @germy: Add Graham, Nunes, and every other Rethug rat bastard who took Russian money.

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    Aleta says:

    This morning I read an essay from last October that Emma Gonzales published in the NYT. Some of it was about working, breaking down, self-care, how to continue.

    [Writing her first] speech followed a pattern: I had a thought, I wrote a new paragraph, I filled in the gaps, I ranted, and then deleted the rants. I had waves where all I wrote was a kind of scream of consciousness: “How could this have happened? So many people died, so many people died. I can’t do this. How do I do this? How do we do this?”

    None of us wanted to stop working. To stop working was to start thinking. And thinking about anything other than the march and the solutions to gun violence was to have a breakdown.

    One day all of us seemed to have a breakdown around 4 p.m. … I realized that I was having a breakdown, too. I lay in the grass. The sky was spotted with clouds, so when they passed over the sun, it felt too cool, and when the sun was out, it felt too warm. There were trees all around, and I was fully realizing, once more, how miserable we all were. How miserable I felt.

    Suddenly I couldn’t stand being alive. I didn’t want to kill myself — let me make that very clear. I just didn’t want to have a human consciousness. Trees face many difficulties, what with deforestation and pollution, but that didn’t stop me from wanting to be one — to just stop feeling and live.

    I wanted to go back …. But we couldn’t go back. All of us know what it feels like to be Harry Potter now.

    Going up against the country’s largest gun lobby organization was obviously something that needed to be done, but it means that the people we’re arguing against are the ones with the guns. I am personally deathly afraid of them, and I know, from traveling the country during the summer for the Road to Change tour, that many of the people who disagree with us mean it when they [threaten us }

    In the midst of all this, I try to take good care of myself. …

    I also cry a lot.

    But crying is healthy and it feels good — I really don’t know why people are so against it. Maybe because it’s loud.

    Crying is a kind of communication, and communication is awesome. The lack of communication is what keeps us in this situation.

    People say, “I don’t play the politics game, I don’t pay attention to politics.” … You might not be a big fan of politics, but you can still participate. All you need to do is vote for people you believe will work on these issues, and if they don’t work the way they should, then it is your responsibility to call them, organize a town hall and demand that they show up — hold them accountable. It’s their job to make our world better.

    Everything we’ve done and everything we will do is for them. It’s for ourselves. It’s for every person who has gone through anything similar to this, for every person who hasn’t yet, for every person who never will. This isn’t something we are ever going to forget about. This isn’t something we are ever going to give up on.

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    Jeffro says:

    @JGabriel: so very many emergencies a Dem President could/will declare, and it’ll all be a-ok…

    …right Mitch?

  52. 52
    Brachiator says:

    @Keith P.:

    What’s the point of a declaration *now*?

    Orange Duce must have his show of strength.

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    lgerard says:

    It will be interesting to see which republicans will fan the flames of the Reichstag Fire.

    Whither Mitt Romney?

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    p.a. says:

    I think #40 is correct: they gotta shore up the support they have left, and when the ploy implodes hippie-punch them (us) to maybe bring some drifters back into the fold.

    Concern for the Constitutional system, the norms of the Republic etc… bwaaaa hahaa haaaaaa

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    for all the times the Far Right accused Obama of pulling this kind of crap, it makes me wanna reach through the ethernet and face-punch Rush and Coulter and Beck and O’Reilly and Hannity a hundred million times.

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    Mike in NC says:

    The Coup Will Be Televised

    But will Trump’s trial for conspiracy against the United States be televised as well?

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    Martin says:

    Looks like Tom found a picture of my drive into work this morning.

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    bemused says:


    I’ve got a feeling that a couple of long time Republican friends/relatives that haven’t been in touch for awhile may be afraid to see me/us. Not that I have talked politics with them since the election (what the fuck were you thinking?) but they must feel some vibes from me.

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    Redshift says:

    I’m really annoyed at the email I’m getting from every progressive organization (as well as jokes Trevor Noah, Stephen Colbert, etc.) declaring that the Democrats sold us out and gave Trump money for his wall. The bill says only for fencing and other types of barriers currently in use, which have been in previous appropriations deals without any uproar. I expect this kind of “ignore the fact that there’s a Republican Senate, it’s the Dems fault we didn’t get everything we want” crap from purity ponies, but I expect better from the better organizations I still follow.

    We have plenty of actual defeats; don’t make a defeat out of a relative success.

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    Redshift says:


    for all the times the Far Right accused Obama of pulling this kind of crap, it makes me wanna reach through the ethernet and face-punch Rush and Coulter and Beck and O’Reilly and Hannity a hundred million times.

    Your all-too-frequent reminder that all conservative outrage is fake.

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    germy says:

    Here's where Sen. Grassley is interrupted by Sen. McConnell.— Jeremy Art (@cspanJeremy) February 14, 2019

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    ruemara says:

    @Redshift: They did it immediately. It’s why I’m mad. It’s fucking 1.5B for border security, like the fucking fence that already exists. It’s not being sold you, you dumb grifting HACKS!

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    @ruemara: Also, my JS voting friend is an ex-friend. In the end I just couldn’t with the stream of lies. I can’t be friends with some one who prefers in La- La land. It is sad, what fear and paranoia will do to people.

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    NotMax says:

    @Mike in NC

    First trial to be funded by Kickstarter.


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    chris says:

    From guess who?

    Repubs must not allow Pres Obama to subvert the Constitution of the US for his own benefit & because he is unable to negotiate w/ Congress.

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    Ryan says:

    @Mike in NC: Of course, and think of the joy Trump will find to have finally hit #1 in the ratings!

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    Ryan says:

    @Redshift: Also too, projection.

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    Redshift says:

    @Eolirin: It won’t work for Trump, either. Even if the obviously fake emergency passes muster, the National Emergencies Act doesn’t let a president just reshuffle funds however he wants; he can only draw on certain military funds, and for certain purposes.

    Yes, he’ll try to ignore that, but that will just guarantee that it’ll all be tied up in the courts through 2020.

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    chopper says:


    you drive a canyonero?

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    ruemara says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Yep. The real “both sides”.

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    chris says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Yeah, FYWP wouldn’t let me hide the link for some reason.

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    zhena gogolia says:


    What is this about? I can’t put sound on right now.

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    germy says:

    @zhena gogolia: McConnell interupted Grassley to give the announcement and Grassley erupted in anger. “If you had just given me five more minutes!” etc. “I would hope next time I’m not interrupted!!”

    Men really are too emotional to be in government. They are shrill and prone to excitability.

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    Emerald says:

    The only thing I’m worried about is the National Butterfly Center. Their wall section was funded last year. Bulldozers are at their gates. Apparently there is language that specifically protects them in the compromise agreement, but they just wrote that an emergency might still threaten them. They observed the contactors cutting down trees on the nearby National Wildlife Refuge yesterday.

    So, my question: Will the courts stop this “emergency” ASAP? Asking for the butterflies (and birds and ocelots, and turtles, and bobcats . . .)

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    bemused says:


    As Kay so eloquently said recently, “they get all put-out and pouty”.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    It’s a nothingburger. Grassley was in the middle of a speech, and McConnell made him yield the floor so that McConnell could make the announcement that Trump is signing the bill and also declaring a national emergency.

    ETA: It’s the “You are there!” historical moment.

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    NotMax says:


    Reminiscent in a way of the shenanigans of Fred Trump with the former Steeplechase Park land in Coney Island he picked up for a song. Tried first to ignore zoning regulations and then strongarm – unsuccessfully – NYC to alter the designation.

    Ended up selling the property (for a price above the highest valuation) to the city.

    If there is an emergency declaration, it will wither on the vine but you can guarantee some Trump entity will pocket mucho dinero from it.

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    @Gravenstone: Called Portman from Ohio’s DC office, encouraged him “continue to stand up to McConnell, and continue his (Portman’s) efforts to resolve this quickly”.

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    psycholinguist says:

    Pelosi just said “want to declare an emergency? Today’s the anniversary of Parkland, another manifestation of our epidemic of gun violence. Want to declare an emergency Mr. President, how bout that one? A president with a different set of values would”

    She’s really good at this. Video on the WaPo

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    piratedan says:

    well, I for one am shocked that the Press has the temerity to press Nancy Pelosi for some kind of response to the kerfuffle that the perpetual outrage machine continues to churn out against Rep. Omar… my God, aren’t they afraid of losing their access?

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    rikyrah says:


    @rikyrah: My old friend who voted for T is now afraid to come and visit us, after I said that there is no difference between Nazis and Rs when they came to visit last summer

    They put children in cages…THAT is who they voted for….

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    bemused says:


    She was great. I bet her calm, dismissive delivery really pisses off the infant terrible in the WH.

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    rikyrah says:


    Pelosi just said “want to declare an emergency? Today’s the anniversary of Parkland, another manifestation of our epidemic of gun violence. Want to declare an emergency Mr. President, how bout that one? A president with a different set of values would”


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    matt says:

    There’s a national emergency, all right. The country is half-full of fucking Nazi garbage.

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    @rikyrah: This was last May, it was not yet common knowledge. I was accused of being a sensationalist.

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    eclare says:

    @Emerald: They’re taking legal action. Thing is WaPo had an interview with a director there who (of course) voted for Trump because wall was just rhetoric and would never be built. SMDH. Pulling for the butterflies but not this asshole. I wish butterflies had stingers.

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    @Keith P.:

    What’s the point of a declaration *now*?

    He’s being forced to agree to a funding bill that clearly does not give him his GODDAMN WALL. So he will use the moment to declare an Emergency to force funds away from other agencies (such as FEMA funding for disaster relief in Puerto Rico and Florida (!!!!)) towards his “wall” and then declare victory to Fox Not-News and his next 100 Hate Fests.

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    eclare says:

    @matt: Cosign.

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    Aleta says:

    I couldn’t watch the vid, but here is Pelosi on twitter

    Nancy Pelosi @SpeakerPelosi

    Declaring a national emergency would be a lawless act, a gross abuse of the power of the presidency and a desperate attempt to distract from the fact that @realDonaldTrump broke his core promise to have Mexico pay for his wall.

    It is yet another demonstration of @realDonaldTrump’s naked contempt for the rule of law. This is not an emergency, and the President’s fearmongering doesn’t make it one.

    [DT] couldn’t convince Mexico, the American people or their elected representatives to pay for his ineffective and expensive wall, so now he’s trying an end-run around Congress in a desperate attempt to put taxpayers on the hook for it.

    The Congress will defend our constitutional authorities.

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    bemused says:

    One of our kitties just jollied me out of my white hot rage. She insisted I pick her up three times, rubbing my face, purring and snuffling in my ear, climbing on my shoulder and refusing to let me put her down and it’s not even cat dinner time yet. I’d almost think she sensed I needed diversion and some kitty snuggles but she’s a cat. Worked though.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:


    I wish butterflies had stingers.

    Or frickin’ lasers!

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    I legitimately did Nazi that coming.

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    It looks like some infor has been released on the president’s physical. His weight is listed as 243.

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    Emerald says:

    @eclare: Their legal action may not stop it. The Feds have already trespassed on their property and replaced their gate locks, before taking their land through eminent domain (which the Feds still don’t have).

    Now, the compromise legislation should stop it, but those contractors are ready to start bulldozing their land. If Twitler gets away with his bogus emergency, they may just destroy the sanctuary anyway.

    I know about the idiot director. He’s learned his lesson. I’m just concerned for the butterflies (and birds, and ocelots, and turtles, and bobcats).

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    Ocotillo says:

    I have concerns about this….. that sounds like something Jeff Flake would say. Seriously though, what is to prevent the a-hole in chief from declaring other emergencies like suspending elections in say 2020. Everyone is snarking about a progressive president declaring an emergency to do needed things but two years is a helluva a lot of time to do damage.

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    tobie says:

    Sometimes I feel like Nancy Pelosi is the last adult standing. Today is one of them.

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    NotMax says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor

    And the other leg?


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    @Martin: A bit damp, eh? Sounds like you got most of the rain down there, we “only” got 2 3/4″.

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    Aleta says:

    Sarah Kendzior @sarahkendzior
    That aspiring autocrats can pre-schedule a “national emergency” is the actual national emergency

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    Michael Cain says:


    He’s counting on California and possibly New Mexico to sue. He knows this won’t pass muster at either the District Court level or at the 9th Circuit. I think there is a good possibility SCOTUS would punt and leave the 9th circuit ruling in place.

    I am less confident. I’ll bet on the SCOTUS decision being “Congress has the authority to rescind if they can get enough votes, making it a political question. No one else has standing to challenge the President’s decision in court, so long as his actions after declaring the emergency stay within the rules set out in the National Emergency Act.”

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    JR says:

    “A little ink would have sufficed… and one guillotine.”

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    Edward Brennan says:

    No money should be allocated to the executive branch until Trump is removed from office. This is what a dictatorship looks like. This should be an impeachable offense against the oath of office.

    Further no other laws should be passed. Shut down everything, this is what the end of our Republic looks like.

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    NotMax says:


    “A little slab’ll do ya.”

    (With apologies to Brylcreem.)


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    guachi says:

    @Michael Cain: I think this is exactly what the Supreme Court will say.

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    Ocotillo says:

    @Edward Brennan: Turtle says, “Heh, indeedy”

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    First of, Stable Genius has been threatening a national emergency for the last two months. Let’s hold off on writing epitaphs until it actually happens.

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    NotMax says:


    Yup. The doctrine of justiciability is fairly straightforward about such matters.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:
    Essentially 2X my kid. And my kid is at least 2X as smart before dad-brag adjustments. There’s a lesson there, somewhere.

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    chopper says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    that fucker’s only gained 4 pounds in the last year? bull. shit.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    Hmm It McConnell was the one who announced the Emergency Powers thing. Interesting.

    My take on it is that Trump has is trying to blame McConnell for the Trump’s Wall erectile dysfunction since this started, so McConnell now has the excuse “But Trump told me he would do it anyway” when the finger pointing starts on the Right for the failure to POWN Libertards on this one.

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    delk says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: I started my New Year’s diet at 246. This morning I weighed in at 238.8. I’m 6 foot tall.

    I know what 243 looks like, and doesn’t look like what they are claiming.

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    Aleta says:

    Goes w/o saying here but: abusing presidential powers, or exceeding them, has been defined by Congress as impeachable. (Congress gets to decide what is impeachable.) Pelosi: “Declaring a national emergency would be a lawless act, a gross abuse of the power of the presidency.”

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    The Midnight Lurker says:


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    Aleta says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Conley said he performed and supervised the assessment along with a panel of 11 board-certified specialists.

    Then let’s have their names. They don’t get to hide. Or Conley is lying about that too. His medical lic. should be under review at this point.

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    NotMax says:




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    @Aleta: Are we finally beyond trusting the nobility and honor of our top brass who serve Orange. Progress!

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    Immanentize says:

    @NotMax: Justiciability is not so clear at all. The Youngstown case is the closest precedent if they try to use eminent domain to seize any privately held land; although Massachusetts v. EPA may be the more relevant case if a state sues to stop him.

    Congress did not give him the $$ he wanted. He seems to usurp the legislative function of the check book through his upcoming executive order. This puts the case in Type 3 of Justice Jackson’s analysis in Youngstown -; where the President’s power is weakest. And here, it is probably unconstitutional particularly because it is a budget issue (Congress) not a foreign war issue (President). As the law currently stands, President loses. But the current Supreme Court vould always change that balancing test.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    It looks like some infor has been released on the president’s physical. His weight is listed as 243.

    That’s 243 kg, right?

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    Aleta says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: Yes it’s very ‘interesting.’ Are Rs hoping before the vote to divide the Ds in the House and anger their lw vs center constituents?

    McConnell using the threat/promise of a nat’l emergency should turn into the start of a process to remove him.

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    SFAW says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    His weight is listed as 243.

    Yeah, and he’s now 6-3, and his blood O2 figure is 99 percent. And he’s a BBBillionaire. And his IQ is 250. And he has big hands. And he make John C. Holmes look puny. And so on and so forth.

    His BMI ain’t 30, despite what Ronny Jackson’s replacement-shill says.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Sorry, didn’t see this comment before my #121!

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    TS (the original) says:

    @schrodingers_cat: I find it so hard to believe that even physicians will lie for this President. What does he say/do to people to make them act in this fashion?

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    Immanentize says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Sometimes repetition adds clarity!

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    TS (the original) says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Does he only employ people with shady pasts? …. I think that is a rhetorical question.

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    Immanentize says:

    @TS (the original):
    Physicians have been lying for Presidents forever. See, FDR, JFK, RWR, etc. They are told it is a question of national security. Idiots.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Emerald: I am so pissed right now. Just watched last night’s Stephen Colbert monologue, and he was mocking the butterfly center. His whole monologue was very both-sides-y, and it usually isn’t. Fuck that.

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    Greg says:

    @JGabriel: There will be no more Democratic administrations. Or at the least, laws passed by Democrats. Roberts court with stolen seat will make sure of that. Its all over but the shouting.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Greg: The number 9 for SC justices is not set in stone. As soon as we have the house, senate and white house, we can increase the number on the court.

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    Sebastian says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    That’s his ass alone. How much is the rest?

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    TS (the original) says:

    @Immanentize: It would be a massive plus for National Security is someone told the truth about trump. (First time I’ve ever known Reagan’s middle name – I spent the 80s raising family – no time for politics when doing such things)

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    debbie says:

    McConnell’s agreeing to go along tells me something illegal and despicable is afoot for 2020.

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    debbie says:


    You misheard him. Colbert is in no way dismissive of butterflies.

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    Michael Cain says:


    Yup. The doctrine of justiciability is fairly straightforward about such matters.

    That said, there are a number of other things that can almost certainly be challenged in court. The NEA says the construction has to be in support of the military’s efforts to deal with the emergency, not civilian agencies’ efforts. The NEA doesn’t take away due process in eminent domain proceedings, nor the military’s need to conform to other statutory requirements (eg, certain Army Corps of Engineers projects are delayed for years by the need to do environmental impact statements). At some point DHS will attempt to wave their magic wand and claim that their statutory authority to waive regulatory proceedings (such as EISs) covers a 2,000 mile long wall. I would be very surprised if the courts support that interpretation. Parts of the wall will almost certainly cause violations of interstate and international water compacts — this being the Southwest where pretty much every drop of water that crosses a border is under one or more compacts.

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    pat says:

    I’m really surprised at his blood pressure. 112? Really? I’m on meds and mine is never that low.

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    debbie says:


    No snark tags?

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    geg6 says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Bullshit. He’s at least 275.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @debbie: I can’t tell whether that is serious or snark. He was mocking the butterfly center as if the butterflies couldn’t just fly into mexico and do just fine.

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    debbie says:


    I’m still not speaking to my family. They knocked on my door at Thanksgiving, I guess trying for a reconciliation. I sent them off, telling them nothing had changed and what they did was unforgiveable.

    Still missing my nieces and nephews, though.

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    debbie says:


    Not him; what Trump and his base are thinking. Trust me. I listen to Colbert every single night. He’s as outraged by Trump as anyone here.

    ETA: I wasn’t snarking; I think you misread Colbert.

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    Emerald says:

    @WaterGirl: Thanks for the warning. I won’t watch it.

    He was mocking it? It’s only the major refuge for monarchs on their migration, as well as nearly 200 other species. The entire habitat will be destroyed.

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    Emerald says:

    @debbie: Ah, if he was being sarcastic, then fine. That’s more like Colbert.

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    Steeplejack says:


    “He is a florid man of 20 stone.”

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    WaterGirl says:

    @debbie: The reason I watch Colbert’s monologue is because he’s so rabidly anti-Trump. The monologue last night felt different to me than usual, and I didn’t catch the butterfly stuff as sarcasm. And his comments about how congress hasn’t gotten anything done really did feel like “both sides” to me – totally out of character.

    By that point I was so pissed that I turned it off.

    I will try again with it later but that’s really how it seemed to me.

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    chris says:

    @Aleta: I’m a little suspicious that Conley is a DO rather than an MD. Makes me wonder about the others, I’m sure that chiropractors, homeopaths and ear candlers have boards.

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    NotMax says:


    If it’s not too nosey, meant to inquire as to whether the new TV is in operation.

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    les says:

    It’s an Emergency!! We’re being Invaded!! We must immediately begin a 20 year infrastructure program!!!

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    debbie says:


    I just went back and re-listened through to the butterflies, and I am more confident than ever you totally misheard him. Listen from the beginning through about the 7:00 mark.

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    Aleta says:

    I wish for billboards to be put up in Kentucky and other red states (well, all states) listing some of the powers a president could have under a national emergency. McConnell T and Pence and all Rs should get attacked and despised from all sides for these threats.

    I’m sick of them using this as a threat. After all, it’s the stuff of libertarian and anti-govt paranoia as well. Not that I want to see them get worked up. But how do those mil. ‘units in a state of readiness’ plan to communicate across states if their internet sites and cell phones and radio call #s are blocked.

    Also: ELIZABETH GOITEIN in the Atlantic, What the President Could Do If He Declares a State of Emergency

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    NotMax says:

    Hm. Testing the waters for more of this to come? Top Federal Labor Agency Fires Its Union.

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    debbie says:


    And his comments about how congress hasn’t gotten anything done really did feel like “both sides” to me – totally out of character.

    He called Washington “kabuki” and I’m not sure he’s wrong. Paraphrase: Lots of talk, but nothing’s been done. No infrastructure, no health care, etc.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @debbie: Right, but he made it sound like that’s the fault of both sides.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    That’s correct.
    That’s really premature. And besides, do you honestly think that scenario is sustainable long-term? When the majority of the population doesn’t support Rs or their ideology? It’s not.

    I know I get pooh-poohed around here for saying this, but most people wouldn’t stand for that indefinitely. Yes, yes, Americans are super lazy etc. But that can easily change, especially when they see their lives drastically change for the worst in huge and obvious ways. And they’ll know who to blame.

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    debbie says:


    He pointed out that the wall will take up to 70% of the refuge’s land and that federal employees are already tearing up the property and cutting down trees.

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    Ksmiami says:

    @bemused: as I said before the rt wing white trash had to work very hard to earn this much hatred from normal Democratic ppl but they’ve earned it in spades.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @bemused: Back in ’96 I ran into a Serb who’d escaped from disintegrating Yugoslavia who told me the best man at his wedding (a Croat) no longer answered his letters. Have we come to this? Cue Leonard Cohen:

    That’s right, it’s come to this,
    Yes it’s come to this,
    And wasn’t it a long way down?
    And wasn’t it a strange way down?

    (Full song here – 1:12 et seq.. Though I prefer the Judy Collins 3rd-person version.)

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    Ksmiami says:

    @Greg: well we can get rid of the Supreme Court if it fails as an institution- I’m almost there.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @Sebastian: Fuck, I’ll found a religion if that happens – & I’m an atheist!

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @piratedan: She keeps telling them to fuck themselves, it’s great.

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    bemused says:


    White trash R’s are easily identified and discounted. It’s the people who can’t let go of loyalty to their parent’s R party that have broken my heart. They have to know that party is long gone but don’t want to believe the current party needs to die too.

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    Emerald says:

    @debbie: They’re cutting down trees on the on the Wildlife Refuge, not on the butterfly sanctuary yet. But they HAVE gone onto the sanctuary’s land and replaced the gate locks, and that is without eminent domain. No question they’re getting ready to bulldoze. I’ve been following this for a couple of weeks.

    Looks like I’ll have to find that monologue and watch it after all.

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    pattonbt says:

    McConnell supports this because it will cause a monstrous media war between Trump and Pelosi and leave Mitch, as always, hiding in the background. The Senate never gets the publicity Congress does. So why not support Trump? Why not support chaos if it lets you get your agenda through under the radar? For McConnell, this fight weakens all his adversaries – which include Trump.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @WaterGirl, @debbie:

    Here’s the Colbert segment. The butterflies start at 4:07. Colbert’s initial joke is that the wall wouldn’t stop the butterflies from crossing the border, which is what WaterGirl might have interpreted as mocking. But then he gets into the bigger issue of the butterfly center (at 4:56). I didn’t think that was mocking.

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    debbie says:


    Do they have the right to be doing that now? Have they claimed eminent domain yet?

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    debbie says:


    Thank you for listening to it.

    I don’t think I’ve ever heard a single word from Colbert that could be interpreted as complimentary to Trump. I’ve half-expected Trump to slap him with some kind of lawsuit for some time now. I’ve read reports that he’s outraged when hearing what Colbert’s said.

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    Steeplejack says:


    It is not. I got embroiled in an extended decluttering/​rearranging process, and I also found that I was liking a reduced diet of TV for a while. (I can still watch things on my tablet or computer.)

    I’m going out of town this weekend but plan to finish the reorg when I get back and finally deploy the TV.

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    Ksmiami says:

    @bemused: yeah I told my mom that to still be friends with Republicans/trump voters signals a major character flaw- even if you’ve known them a long time…

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    Amir Khalid says:

    I think the animals who live with us and know us well are often more attentive to our moods than we notice.

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    Emerald says:

    @debbie: No, they do not have eminent domain yet. But they did it anyway. That’s why the director of the butterfly center is panicked about this “emergency.”

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Emerald: I did quit partway through, so maybe I missed it when he came back around hard agains Trump.

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    debbie says:


    Unbelievable. That alone justifies a lawsuit for billions of dollars.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @debbie: A guest on Colbert’s show (in the last 3 weeks, I believe) told Colbert that Colbert is Trump’s second-least favorite person, or 2nd biggest enemy, something to that effect.

    I think Colbert had to have been pleased about that.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Steeplejack: Hope you have a great trip!

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:
    I remain unconvinced of his good health. In particular, I am no more convinced now that he weighs 243lbs today than I was convinced last year that he weighed 239lbs then. I mean, all that Mickey D’s, all that KFC, sweet FA in the way of exercise, and he gained only five pounds in a year? Come on, man.

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    Emerald says:

    @debbie: Or at least arrest for trespassing. With handcuffs.

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    waratah says:

    @Emerald: Texas State government is controlled by Republicans and they are not doing anything to stop this. Makes me feel sick to my stomach.

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    sukabi says:

    @WaterGirl: think it was Cliff Sims, was promoting his book. Said drumpf has an enemies list and Colbert is #2 on it.

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    bemused says:


    Just plain asshole cruelty. They all need to go.

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    debbie says:


    Right! Who could possibly compete with Jeff Bezos?!?

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    Steeplejack says:


    Thanks! Still need to do a few things and pack my bag, but I do that last anyway. I’m out the door at 5:45 a.m. Oof.

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    bemused says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    I think you are right even for cats. Maybe she does remember I saved her life. Two kittens we brought home from shelter came down with bug caught there. This kitty was the sickest bringing her to vet 3 times for fluids, feeding her with dropper of liquid food. We thought she wasn’t going to make it but she did and is a fatty, healthy kitty.

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    JGabriel says:


    That’s his ass alone. How much is the rest?

    Ah, you forget … Trump is all ass.

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    laura says:

    @Aleta: This is such a simple, beautiful description of Doing The Work.
    Processing, in real time what must be faced and what must be accepted.
    Not everyone is capable when that time comes, and it comes for each of us.
    These survivors are leaders and theyve reached out to other survivors and leaders.
    My faith in them is strong. Their moral compass is true.

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