Open Thread: If It Weren’t for Hypocrisy, the GOP Would Have No Ethical Code At All

And let’s not pretend that the GOP hasn’t noticed the Rep. Ilhan is not only Muslim, but an actual refugee, and from Africa at that. Hating on her gives their Base a triple-hit of bigotry dopamine.

Further, good point from Paul Waldman, in the Washington Post, “The real reason for the controversy over Ilhan Omar’s tweets”:

We all know Trump is a bigot who is never constrained by shame from such displays of hypocrisy. Omar apologized for the tweets, as she should have, but what’s most important about this episode is the fury that came down on her head so quickly — from both Republicans and Democrats.

It should be noted that Omar wasn’t really accurate in describing support in Congress for current Israeli policy as being a result of money from AIPAC. First, AIPAC doesn’t directly give donations, though it has long used its ability to direct donations to help its friends and punish its enemies. But as Ed Kilgore noted for New York magazine, these days, it is the Christian right much more than Jews that is driving U.S. policy on Israel; I once described it with only slight hyperbole as a “world of post-Jewish Zionism, where Israel’s most vehement advocates are people who see it mostly as a tool to use in a holy war between Christianity and Islam.”…

But I think what made members of Congress come down on Omar so hard wasn’t just that she was criticizing the relationship between the United States and Israel, or even the unfortunate way she did it. It’s also that she was criticizing Congress itself, and how it treats Israel.

And the reaction proved the point. In Congress, there has been more discussion about Omar’s tweets over the last 48 hours than there has been genuine debate about the United States’ policy vis-a-vis Israel over the last 10 years.

There are things we might ask if we actually had such a debate, about whether the Israeli government should be punished for its aggressive settlement policy, whether it actually needs the billions of dollars in military aid we send them each year, or even what the United States gets out of this alliance in a post-Cold War world. There are a variety of answers one might offer to those questions, but they don’t get asked, at least not in Congress.

And make no mistake, that’s precisely the goal of AIPAC and its allies. The group is not “the Israel lobby” as it is often characterized; it’s the Likud lobby, representing the interests of the Israeli right wing in general, and the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in particular. Just as any lobby, it achieves its greatest success when it moves questions related to its interests outside the realm of debate, to a point in which any questioning of the status quo is considered so radical that it need not even be considered.

This isn’t unique to AIPAC; lots of lobbies do it. For years, the NRA’s great success was not in defeating gun control legislation but in making sure no such legislation was even considered, so great was the group’s power assumed to be…

Even the Grey Lady is beginning to catch on to the GOP con here:

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    She did a good job on Elliot Abrams. Video here.

    I’m horrified to see that some in The Blob are defending Abrams.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    Judge finds Manafort lied to Mueller. Oops.

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    Eljai says:

    The republicans have been taking hypocrisy to stratospheric levels for years. It’s about time the press catches on.

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    kindness says:

    Yea. I saw her Abrams video at Charles Pierce’s. She made great points that will be completely overlooked by the media. We see it. Most folk probably won’t. Charles Pierce is right. Abrams is scum.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    I once described it with only slight hyperbole as a “world of post-Jewish Zionism, where Israel’s most vehement advocates are people who see it mostly as a tool to use in a holy war between Christianity and Islam.”…

    We have a Secretary of State who speaks sincerely about the Rapture, fercrissake. I don’t think it’s hyperbole at all.
    And I’ve always believed the story about Bush and “Gog and Magog”, even if I’m not sure if his country-club-spawned conservatism was quite as apocolyptic as somebody like Pompeo, he liked the imagery that cast him as Jeebus’s warrior

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    plato says:

    And let’s not pretend that the GOP hasn’t noticed the Rep. Ilhan is not only Muslim, but an actual refugee, and from Africa at that. Hating on her gives their Base a triple-hit of bigotry dopamine.

    Yup, it’s a perfect trifecta of hate for the trumpturds.

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    Trump Rejects Democrat’s Apology

    That’s nice. Perhaps he’ll reject my apology to my mother for forgetting to look something up for her, next.

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    Doug R says:

    What am I missing here with the outrage? AIPAC is not all Jews, it ain’t even really all Israel, it’s just a lobbying group.
    It’s like conflating those “hyperpatriots” in the NRA with all the USA, when we know the NRA has been bought and sold by a sworn enemy of the USA.

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    I guess Manafort likes jail.

    It’s not that Manafort likes living in prison. It’s that he’d prefer living in prison to dying there.

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    guachi says:

    I think the Democrats should force Republicans to vote one each antisemitic thing said by conservatives one vote at a time.

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    VeniceRiley says:

    The faux outrage is so asswhacks can say ‘both sides!.” it is very tiresome.
    In other news, Paulie Walnuts just got his cooperation deal stomped by judge Amy and I look forward to hearing his super long prison sentence! yay!

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Anne Laurie up top:

    And let’s not pretend that the GOP hasn’t noticed the Rep. Ilhan is not only Muslim, but an actual refugee, and from Africa at that.

    From Somalia, a shithole country second only to Nambia.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    I love that meme. It’s so … versatile.

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    Norilsk Beach Club says:

    She’s my congresswoman and I’m delighted she smacked down that war criminal Abrams.

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    Spanky says:

    @Doug R: AIPAC is Republican sugar daddy. All else is commentary.

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    plato says:

    Zing. Go Nancy.

    Pelosi just reiterated this now, and said: "No" when asked if Omar would be removed from committees as GOP is demanding. "A newcomer member of Congress has apologized for her remarks. It took them what, 13 years to notice Steve King?"

    — Manu Raju (@mkraju) February 13, 2019

    FINALLY! Since reporters were having a hard time with that connection I'm glad Nancy spelled it out for you.

    — Michelle D. (@chelleinchicago) February 13, 2019

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    Eljai says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Jeez, it’s almost like there was collusion. I wonder if Senator Burr knows about this.

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    BobS says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Doesn’t that describe Pence as well? You know, the the guy who’s a heartbeat away from the presidency currently occupied by an obese 72 year old junk food glutton?
    We’re so fucked.

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    geg6 says:


    I love her more than I can say.


    That was my very first thought. Fuck you, Burr.

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    B.B.A. says:

    @Spanky: Sadly, for lots of Democrats too – and a lot of them solidly believe the Judeofascist horseshit. When Schumer praised the embassy move, my heart sank.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:



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    Norilsk Beach Club says:

    Ilhan Omar is my congresswoman and I’m proud of the way she smacked down that old war criminal Abrams.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Burr has been our senator since we moved here 10 years ago. Classic GOP empty suit whose specialty has been pushing for more tax cuts for corporations. He’s deliberately been sabotaging the Russia investigation. Probably on the Kremlin payroll, too.

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    The Lodger says:

    @Mike in NC: My theory is Burr got re-elected on trump’s coattails and he owes the Orange One bigley. Your thoughts?

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    Baud says:

    OT, if you have any doubts that the NYT intends to remain garbage in 2020, read this article, especially the trolling at the end about Hillary.

    Kamala Harris Is Accused of Lying About Listening to Tupac. Here’s What Happened.

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    chopper says:

    trump, to a group of jewish republicans back in 2015:

    “Is there anyone in this room who doesn’t renegotiate deals? Probably 99% of you. Probably more than any room I’ve ever spoken in.”

    “Stupidly, you want to give money… But you’re not going to support me because I don’t want your money.” “You want to control your own politicians,”

    but yeah, omar should quit.

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    Jay says:


    Somalia is a shining star of Libertarian and Fundi Values. That she fled the country as a refugee is a 4th strike.

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    Jay says:

    @The Lodger:

    Burr was on Needy Amin’s Inauguration Commitee. He’s as dirty as Nunes. He’s just less dumb.

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    MagdaInBlack says:

    Wonkette has some definate opinions on that nonsense.
    I’d link but aging iPad is rebelling.

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    Baud says:

    @MahdaInBlack: I’ll check it out. I just saw that daily Kos was on it too.

    It’s not 2016 anymore.

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    Jay says:

    @Doug R:

    In the origional tweet, which she has properly apologized for, about money and lobbying ruining politics she “shorthanded”:

    Jews = money,

    She should have longhanded it to:

    Sheldon Addelson, APAIC, NRA, Kochs = money.

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    NJeff says:

    I’m a long time lurker, but thought this article,
    Who is Richard Burr, Really? Why the public can’t trust his voice in the Russia probe
    worth sharing.

    On the same day that Sen. Richard Burr (R-NC) officially joined the Trump campaign as a senior national security advisor, the U.S. intelligence community released a statement that the Kremlin was trying to interfere in the election. But the Senator already knew those facts, and much more. Burr had been fully briefed in secret by the U.S. intelligence community a few weeks earlier. Senior U.S. officials told Burr that Russia’s interference was designed to support Donald Trump’s electoral chances. Burr decided to team up with the Trump campaign anyway, and hitch his own electoral fate in North Carolina to Trump’s political fortunes.

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    Kamala Harris The New York Times Is Accused of Lying About Listening to Tupac Being a Newspaper. Here’s What Happened.

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    Laura Too says:

    Tapper shows Trump’s hypocrisy with “rogue” control room-I haven’t figured out how to add a link but CNN had this to add to the conversation. I have hope that Ms. Omar will blossom like Paul Wellstone did after his disastrous missteps in his first days. I’m willing to cut her slack and I voted for her.

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    Mike in NC says:

    @The Lodger: Yes, that sounds very plausible.

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    @Jay: Forget to add a Mercer. Gotta have a Mercer to represent.

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    AThornton says:

    From the (not very) Wayback Machine ….

    Trump Defends White-Nationalist Protesters: ‘Some Very Fine People on Both Sides’

    The “Unite the Right” rally that sparked the violence in Charlottesville featured several leading names in the white-nationalist alt-right movement, and also attracted people displaying Nazi symbols. As they walked down the street, the white-nationalist protesters chanted “blood and soil,” the English translation of a Nazi slogan. One of the men seen marching with the fascist group American Vanguard, James A. Fields, is charged with deliberately ramming a car into a crowd of counter-protesters, killing 32-year-old counter-protester Heather Heyer.

    Fuck Republicans

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    @Laura Too: Same, and I did not vote for her. She apologized, in stark, obvious contrast to the two-bit ratfuck Republican criminals like Herr King of Der Iowa. As echoed elsewhere, if it helps journalism wake up from its stupor, even if for a moment, totally worth it.

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    Yutsano says:

    @B.B.A.: To be fair, Schumer is a Jewish Senator from New York. He is both playing to his constituency and his own personal beliefs. But that has little to do with Christianist theology.

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    plato says:

    Apparently, the judge jackson also cleared paul manifold liar of allegations that he lied on two other subjects.

    Really, judge? You give the benefit of the doubt to a proven corrupt serial liar?

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    Jay says:


    Tweets are character limited.

    Great tweets are probably carefully editted and tweaked to be succinct and impactful.

    I’m gonna guess that there was a element of casual racism in her tweet, a form of shorthand that has been surrounding her all her life, which is why understanding that “Jews” in a “call out” is a no-no has been hard to sink in.

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    MagdaInBlack says:

    Thank you

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    trollhattan says:

    Nancy is going to need her zinger gun recharged. Putting it to good use, she is.

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    debbie says:


    That first tweet is absolute genius!

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    Looks like The Blob is getting their time in the barrel tonight for defending Elliot Abrams. I may write about this tomorrow.

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    Jeffro says:

    It’s funny that the president*s former. campaign. manager. has just been found guilty of lying about his contacts with his Russian handler, then lying to the Special Counsel about lying about those contacts and also lying about cooperating fully with the Special Counsel and…

    …yet no one seems to think of pinning trumpov down about what he thinks, getting him on the record, or on camera? Getting him to say ANYTHING, this innocent president*, this poor framed man. Will no one offer trumpov a mic to disavow this scummy lying traitorous Manafort?!?

    Ah, that’s right, we have Twitter, where trumpov can say whatever and the best the both-sides media can do is…repeat the tweet.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Laura Too:

    You can just copy and paste a “naked” URL. That works too.

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    Yarrow says:

    @The Lodger: Burr is dirty. Here’s an interesting tweet with a photo if you click through.

    🔥@rgoodlaw Did you see this picture of @SenatorBurr w @yurivanetik and @BurchuladzePa who is now being investigated for embezzlement⁉️ 🎩 @MsMariaT— Venture Capital (@kelly2277) February 13, 2019

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    Laura Too says:

    @Jay: Most Somali’s I know have been the target of racism and are too sensitive to it to take it casually. I think she is young and used to tweeting to her friends and a few people. She forgot she is on a national stage. Hard lesson to learn.

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    Jay says:


    When’s the last time you saw Needy Amin hold an actual press conference or not have a fluffer interview.

    Y’all need a Question Period.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Elliott Abrams, if he’s going to be back in the news.

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    Plato says:


    Remember the tansuitgate? All the Obama’s katrina moments?

    What a period of great journalism.

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    It’s not 2016 anymore.

    Apparently it still is at the New York Times*.

    *Which, of course, is garbage.

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    @Steeplejack: Thanks. I was working from an article and tweets that had only one “t”. I thought there were two, but I’m tired tonight. Always nice to have a sanity check.

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    Laura Too says:

    @Steeplejack: I’m afraid to google that!

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    Laura Too says:

    @Steeplejack: Can’t wait to see what Facebook ads I get tomorrow. Thanks for that, I wasn’t sure after reading the how to section that I wouldn’t screw something up. I appreciate the help!

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    Yarrow says:

    @Laura Too: She’s not that young–she’s 37 years old. She was also in the MN House for a few years so she’s had a larger audience for her tweets.

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    It’s funny that the president*s former. campaign. manager…

    Just the Coffee Boy, didn’t really know him.

    Emperor Tang.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Laura Too:

    You can just copy the hyperlink (address) of the page you want to reference and put it in your comment here.

    Here’s the one for the Wonkette article on Kamala Harris:

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    Jeffro says:

    @Jay: We need a question, period. Any question will do…just get him off and running and on the record, bright lights and all. C’mon, trumpov! Isn’t it great when the media asks you for your deepest thoughts and insights on this great land?

    “Sir, your former campaign manager appears to have been a pawn of a Russian agent in league with the Russian leader whom you adore. Why shouldn’t the American public see your tax returns, to ensure that you weren’t receiving some sort of enrichment from the Russians just as Paul Manfort was?”

    “Mr. President*, is it just coincidence that eighty thousand people on your campaign had over sixteen million contacts with Russian nationals at a time when you were trying to build trumpov tower Moscow and denying it publicly?”

    “Sir, the samurai had this concept called seppuku…”

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    Jay says:

    @Laura Too:

    Yup. ReThugs and their horde of Internet “sleuths” are going to take everything a Democrat does, says or writes, and try to twist the hell out of it and feed it to the base and MSM as fauxrage.

    Then, the MSM and the Wingers will try to beat that to death until it’s stuck in the Low Information Voter’s subconcious and the ReThug bases spitfliccle rage resentments.

    Certain Democrats are going to have to accept, that because their “American” identity doesn’t fit with a certain rapey, misoginist, racist, biggoted and religious groups concepts of “American”, are going to be living, rent free in the Reichwing and MSM’s head well past retirement.

    Care needs to be taken on one hand,

    And a level of “fuck off bigot” on the other hand.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Couldn’t happen to a more deserving guy.

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    Laura Too says:

    @Yarrow: LOL, 37 is young to me. :) I know she had a MN following but it is kind of an echo chamber here. Not exactly the rough and tumble she’s going to get now.

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    Jay says:


    In Canada, the PM is an MP and can only skip Question Period for specific reasons. Unlike Press Meets, Hallway Questions or Press Conferences, they have to answer.

    Questions that for various economic, access or other reasons, that the Press won’t ask, the Opposition does.

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    Steeplejack says:


    That worked!

    If you do put in a naked link, it usually helps to add a little description, because the links aren’t always self-explanatory.

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    Laura Too says:

    @Jay: Yes, I think she has the F’off down,. I watched her at our city convention after a really long day (9am -10pm) handle a fight between factions in the Somali community. The men almost came to blows and she was in the middle. She has a steel spine.

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    Jay says:


    You misunderstand the purpose of 99% of your MSM.

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    MagdaInBlack says:

    I heard some one refer to the orange oaf as a “size queen.”
    I snickered over that all day. ☺️

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    Laura Too says:

    @Steeplejack: Very!!!! Thank you!

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    Mr Stagger Lee says:

    @Jeffro: One of my favorite podcasts is Behind The Bastards, and has a great two parter on Manafort as well as another on Roger Stone

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    Jay says:


    Even with hypertext context needs to be spelled out.

    Lot’s of people don’t follow the links and some of us have no interest in giving the FTFNYT even one click.

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    @Laura Too:

    The men almost came to blows and she was in the middle.

    Sounds almost Like Molly Ivins in between Bill-O and Sen. Franken.

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    Raven says:

    @Jay: Rules, in a knife fight?

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    some of us have no interest in giving the FTFNYT* even one click.

    *They’re garbage.

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    trnc says:


    Apparently, the judge jackson also cleared paul manifold liar of allegations that he lied on two other subjects.

    Really, judge? You give the benefit of the doubt to a proven corrupt serial liar?

    Is there something specific in her ruling that you feel she glossed over, or are you assuming that any charge brought by the SC should be a slam dunk?

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    lamh36 says:

    23 yeses; 15 nos — applause breaks out. Rep. @lucymcbath: “For my son Jordan, I vote aye.”

    The House passage of #HR8 marks the first time in several decades that gun violence prevention legislation has passed out of the Committee. 💪💪💪

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    Jeffro says:

    @Mr Stagger Lee: I’ll have to check that out – thanks!

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    lamh36 says:

    Black History Month…RESET!!!!

    For the first time in our state’s history, an African American woman will serve as Chief Justice of the North Carolina Supreme Court.

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    Sebastian says:


    Let’s not forget, Omar’s comment was a rap lyrics quote. Dipshit Donald posted actual Benjamins and a Star of David.

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    Jay says:


    There are rules for knife fighting. Don’t follow the rules, ( guard arm, knife low, hook don’t slash, wait for your shot, cripplings good, etc) and you get stabbed.

    As we saw in the previous thread, some with fanatical entrenchments can take offense at anything and try to derail with fauxrage.

    There was also a comment that seemed to run one way, ( unless you clicked the hypertext), or wasted way too much brain space on Needy Amin’s offences, ( guilty as charged), then it was a completely different comment.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Jay: I think I’m just asking for a different form of entertainment, is all…just a different take once in a while to liven up the ratings…


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    lamh36 says:

    I found our hotel for the Family London trip.

    It’s a Premier Inn Hotel, much like the Hub, Premier Inn Hotel I stayed in when I traveled solo, except this is the regular hotel, and not the bare bones “Hub” version. It’s still just a bed and a bathroom, but they offer “bigger” rooms, with King size beds in the bigger rooms and a few more amenities.

    Location: On one side, St Paul’s Catheral on the other side, Tate Modern. Near enough to Thames and Covent Garden and it’s 3-7 mins from 2 Underground stations, and there is at least 200 restauarnts within 0.5 miles of the hotel!

    I was able to book 2 rooms total a little bit over the budget we set, (but I’m paying for my nephew, so it’s still good).

    Oh and it’s got great reviews on Trip Advisor and it!

    Next up family activity budget!

    Premier Inn London Blackfriars (Fleet Street) Hotel

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    Laura Too says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Found through google, can’t wait to watch!!! Miss that wonderful woman!

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    mad citizen says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Yes, I’m sure there is a lot of material there–look forward to that. I watched the 4 minute clip of Omar-Abrams exchange and he was so disrespectful of her–a complete ass. I’m trying to think of Democratic administration people that have behaved that way; but it seems almost par for the course when the R’s are under the gun.

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    catclub says:

    My understanding of the Elliot Abrams hire by trump is that in Jan 2017 Abrams is on the shit list because he, like many others had called trump an idiot,
    and at that point Trump remembered. But now that Bolton has been hired, Bolton probably pushed to get the whole neocon?Iran Contra gang back together. And trump no longer remembers, or particularly cares. He needs hires.

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    plato says:


    It is this blog’s cw that Mueller and his team are super competent and they tick all the t’s and cross all the r’s, whatever. Yet we have all these scums getting a proverbial rap on their collective corrupt knuckles from these judges. Except for paulie, all the other traitors are out there gallivanting from one teevee interview to another. So, you tell me.

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    Gvg says:

    @Sebastian: all about the benjamins is a very old saying. I heard it elementary school 45 years ago. It’s very much an old Americanism.

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    sukabi says:

    @chopper: Jake Tapper, ( yeah, I know🙊) ran a supercut of repubs saying worse than Omar… Think he’s finally getting sick of their hypocrisy

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    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon says:

    @Steeplejack: That Wonkette article is lit!

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    Jay says:


    The old saying about the MSM is they will ride ( the subject) just as hard on the way down, as they did on the ride up.

    When the worm turns, it will turn hard.

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    MomSense says:

    Here’s a musical offering – a song both my hip hop and blues loving kids like.

    Magic Blues

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @catclub: I think trump sees it as an act of submission when the erstwhile never-trumpers come to work for him or otherwise join the team (Graham, Romney), and it thrills him, and he’s not wrong. I’m sure those golf games with Lindsey are littered with snide remarks about LG’s attempts at a manful, principled stand. Among other subjects

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    Sebastian says:


    Then this is a completely fabricated outrage. This is my shocked face.

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    NotMax says:


    Yeah, but back then it referred to the still widely circulated Franklin half dollar.


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    Jay says:


    The general rule of thumb in these type of cases, is you use lieniency and hanging charges to get the little fish to roll on the Big Fish,

    and you never make public, what you have on the Big Fish, through (Public) charges on the little fish.

    Cohen’s the only one so far that’s “different”,

    It’s well worth reading all the links in the article.

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    Kay says:

    I love Abram’s face and body language in that clip when Omar’s questioning him.- “why is this… interloper talking to me?”

    And how dogged she is. She is going to make him listen to the whole wind-up. You just get the sense no one speaks to him like that, no one makes him hear them out.

    He’s such a phony too- his outrage that her lead-in “isn’t a question”. Because as we all know Congress always sticks to succinct questions. They never, ever lead with statements. He’s mad she’s talking at all.

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    Barbara says:

    @lamh36: I love London. The best thing was having my in laws spring for a really nice hotel. You are going to have a great time.

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    sukabi says:

    @Kay: he’s outraged that a woman of color is bringing up his criminal past, his lying to Congress and questioning his very presence in the current administration. He thinks he deserves RESPECT, especially from some woman.

    If we had a sane country he’d still be serving time for his past crimes, not participating in the current administration.

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    Yarrow says:

    @lamh36: Sounds great. FYI, a King sized bed in the UK is more or less the equivalent of the Queen sized bed in the US.

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    Ruckus says:


    Fuck Republicans

    I’m of two responses.
    Depends on what with.

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    Mary G says:

    @Kay: She’s a woman, she’s younger than most of the Republicans with power, she’s not white, and she’s not Christian. It’s pretty much everything they consider illegitimate in governnment.

    Even some of the better journalists are showing their asses. Brian Stelter, the media guy at CNN, tweeted about her “attitude” in refusing to answer the same questions for the nth time, and got deeply offended because he had covered his ass by saying both sides do it. I asked him to link me to one time he objected to the attitude of a white Republican male. Oddly enough, he didn’t answer me.

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    Yarrow says:

    @sukabi: He thinks he deserves deference, especially from women.

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    sukabi says:

    @Yarrow: yes. But he REALLY didn’t like the questions about Iran Contra.

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    Jay says:


    Extradition to Nicaraugua.

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    plato says:

    @Jay: And then lose the thug in the jungles.

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    @Yarrow: Of course, the UK hasn’t had a king in almost 70 years.

    @lamh36: Have fun in London.

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    Yarrow says:

    @sukabi: He sure didn’t. It was almost comical how OUTRAGED and INSULTED he was.

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    Dan B says:

    @Laura Too: That’s so great to hear. I’m of the opinion that a little rough around the edges and not afraid of controversy or “bad” media are an asset for getting media coverage. It’s also valuable to be imperfect because it comes across to many people as genuine. Perfect communication can spark admiration from the people who already believe you but comes across as calculating to the audience that is not already sold.

    There are exceptions like the mythic Martin Luther King Jr. but he was hated with a great fury in his day, even by “good people”. Changing the paradigm is not a straight path from awful to glory.

  119. 119
    Yarrow says:

    BREAKING: another huge legal win for Sandy Hook families against Infowars and Alex Jones. A judge ruled tonight that he must submit to a sworn deposition. The families were already granted access to his financial records. @NBCConnecticut— Max Reiss (@MaxReiss) February 14, 2019

    Good. He’s a danger to society.

  120. 120
    Steeplejack says:

    @Formerly disgruntled in Oregon:

    I like Wonkette because their writing style is over-the-top hilarious but the facts (with links) are solid.

  121. 121
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: late to the thread, but that is AWESOME

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    Plato says:


    Hope they take this scummy thug to the cleaners and bankrupt him forever.

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    zhena gogolia says:


    Perfect description.

  124. 124
    Mary G says:

    Adam alert!

    Florida Man in Dog Costume Arrested for Sex With Dog— Florida Man (@_FloridaMan) February 12, 2019

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    sukabi says:

    @Jay: or perhaps dropped into Nicaraugua while flying to Venezuela.

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    chopper says:


    just saw that. pretty nice.

  127. 127
    Bobby Thomson says:


    In the origional tweet, which she has properly apologized for, about money and lobbying ruining politics she “shorthanded”:

    Jews = money,

    She should have longhanded it to:

    Sheldon Addelson, APAIC, NRA, Kochs = money.

    I have looked and looked and can’t find any statement by her that “Jews = money.” Her statement was “It’s All About the Benjamins, Baby!” There was no mention of Jews.

    When asked what she meant, she said “AIPAC!”

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    Jay says:


    He’d either be rotting in a Nicarauguan jail or buried in an unmarked grave,


    Just give the Nicaraugans a heads up on the place and time.

  129. 129
    sukabi says:

    @Mary G: they caught him because he video taped himself and posted it on the web. Stupid and appalling.

  130. 130
    Steve in the ATL says:


    FYI, a King sized bed in the UK is more or less the equivalent of the Queen sized bed in the US.

    So how do two people fit in the bed with their 100-pound golden retriever?

  131. 131
    sukabi says:

    @Steve in the ATL: dog gets the bed, you get the floor.

  132. 132
    Plato says:

    @Steve in the ATL: what people?

    eta: sukabi beat me to it.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Steve in the ATL: If it’s like it was with my much smaller (late, lamented) dog, he gets the middle, and if there’s any room at the edges the humans are welcome to squeeze themselves in.

  134. 134
    Jay says:

    @Bobby Thomson:

    Did a search, you are right.

  135. 135
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Jay: in my experience as a labor lawyer, it’s almost impossible not to get cut in a knife fight no matter how good you are

  136. 136
    Yarrow says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Very carefully. They do have a Super King size bed, which is like the US King size bed.

  137. 137
    Kay says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    People don’t know though. It was a long time ago. I don’t know how many people will watch that clip and be thinking “my God, what the hell did this guy do?” It’s not “understood” and “something we all know” – there’s an entire group of younger voters who have no earthly idea who he is what he did. It shouldn’t just disappear, like it never happened.

  138. 138
    sgrAstar says:

    @lamh36: when are you going? I adore London- it’s a great town. Expensive. Are going after March 29? If so I hope you aren’t affected by Brexit. UGH.

  139. 139
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @sgrAstar: Brexit should make it less expensive!

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    NotMax says:


    Instead of a Hollywood size bed, do they offer a Pinewood size one?


  141. 141
    Steve in the ATL says:

    I see the smart alecks are our tonight! And I wouldn’t want it any other way.

  142. 142
    Jay says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Actual knife fights are different.

    Lawyer knife fights have rules too,……

  143. 143
    Jay says:


    People should google more, few do, sometimes even here.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Have you considered a sword?

  145. 145
    Jay says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Evac flights are very expensive. That’s if they get there in the first place.

    Flights in and out of Britain are part of the EU Agreements. Even on non-EU Carriers.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: as in “never bring a knife to a sword fight”?

    Reminds me of fencing back when I was in law school at Dartmouth

  147. 147
    Jay says:

    Comment 145 stuck in moderation for some reason.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steve in the ATL: You couldn’t get into Princeton Law?

  149. 149
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: exactly. I’m still bitter.

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    Jay says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Could have been worse. I took fencing at PVI and we only had manual post hole diggers, shovels and augers.

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    a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio) says:

    I know nothing about London, hotels there or in the rest of the UK, or British travel generally, but Go you! I hope you all have a splendid time.

  152. 152
    sgrAstar says:

    @Steve in the ATL: good point. It might even be the bargain of the century! Otoh…the rumored food shortages, demise of rubbish collection, public disorder…might make it even more fun!

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    trnc says:

    @plato: What do I need to tell you that isn’t clearly stated in Jackson’s ruling?

    … the Court ruled at the hearing held on February 13, 2019 that the Office of Special
    Counsel made its determination that the defendant made false statements and thereby breached the
    plea agreement in good faith. Therefore, the Office of Special Counsel is no longer bound by its
    obligations under the plea agreement, including its promise to support a reduction of the offense
    level in the calculation of the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines for acceptance of responsibility.

    I’m sure as hell not going to argue with your statement the Mueller and his team are highly professional, but your claim that Jackson just took Manafort’s word at face value on 2 of the 5 topics seems odd considering that the outcome wouldn’t change. Mueller isn’t bound by the plea agreement. There’s nothing to suggest she believes Manafort, and you know as well as I do that she can’t write a ruling that says, “Well, he lied about everything else, so he must be lying about these other things, too.”

    However you want to characterize what is happening, I think you would agree with me that it’s much better for Jackson to be extremely careful on her rulings than for something to be overturned on appeal. The federal courts are definitely not stacked in our favor right now, and the Bart O’Kavanaughs of the world only need a small excuse to overturn a ruling in Mueller’s favor.

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    NotMax says:


    A little later in the year and one could be present for the formal ceremony renaming the pound to the ounce.


  155. 155
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @NotMax: zing!

    @Jay: could you use a moose rack?

    @sgrAstar: food shortage? Think of the sweet breads and boiled mutton!

  156. 156
    NotMax says:

    @Steve in the ATL

    food shortage?

    “Waiter, there’s no spots on my dick!”

  157. 157
    Jay says:


    Packs of Zombie Brexiteers roaming the streets calling out for brains,

    Scot’s raiding into Northumberland,

  158. 158
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @NotMax: you have been en fuego lately

  159. 159
    Jay says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    British mutton comes from Australia, New Zealand and Argentina these days, under EU Agreements.

    Current British Brexit Emergency Planning has rationing adults to 1275 calories a day, 840 for children, and there is storage capacity for 119 days.

  160. 160
    Yarrow says:


    British mutton comes from Australia, New Zealand and Argentina these days

    Which is very frustrating for British shepherds. They push people to “buy British” but it costs more. Maybe after Brexit it won’t. They also depend on help from EU countries during shearing season so who knows how that will work.

  161. 161
    Procopius says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: What the [family blog] right does Trump have to accept or reject her apology. Is he a hired agent for Israel and, thus, able to speak for its government? Is he a representative of the Jewish People because his daughter joined the tribe and married one of them? I’m already furious at those bought and paid for Representatives and Senators who support Israel over America’s national interests and are currently trying to subvert the Constitution with their anti-BDS bill. I normally don’t give much of a [expletive deleted] about Trumps misfeasances, but this is really despicable.

  162. 162
    PIGL says:

    “If [ republicans ] believed in the existence of virtue they could at least aspire to hypocrisy.“

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    Jay says:


    At the peak of the German UBoat’s “Happy Time”, Britain was one convoy away from starvation rationing being enacted. Since the Clearances and the Industrial Revolution, Britain has always been utterly reliant on imported food, taken from the tables of the Irish and Indians, along with trade deals with New Zealand, Canada and Australia for imports that subsidized British farmers.

    That all went away after WWII. WWII Food rationing continued in Britain until it joined the EEC. British mutton has been “uncompeditive” since then.

    Funny thing, Industrial farming practices and bad land management has destroyed more farmland in Britain than urbanization. 20% of the Midlands topsoil wound up at sea in the 1998 floods, because after clearing the hilltops of forest and scrub, they plowed furrows straight up hill, to plant corn, for ethanol.

    Even switching to feedlot operations left British Mutton uncompeditive and when the EU signed trade agreements with Australia, New Zealand and Argentina, even more so. Britain was happy to sign on at the time for the export opportunities and the import opportunities for metals, timber, coal, etc.

    As for sheep shearing, Shearing is a seasonable job that the Shearer backfills the rest of the year with other work on the sheep farms. When machinery and amalgamation take away those jobs, people quit shearing. So you have to import shearers from other sheep raising countries who have different shearing seasons, which the UK did under the Free Movement of Labour rules of the EU.

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    Jay says:


    And they key takeaway is that Manifort has blown up his Cooperation Agreement, his Sentencing Agreement and will be resentenced.

    Mor jail time,

  165. 165
    Jay says:


    He’s a narccistic rapey asshole crook. Everything is about “him”.

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    Original Lee says:

    @Laura Too: I think she’s had some rough-and-tumble in Minnesota. The old canard about how she was married to her brother as part of an immigration scam has been resurrected. They’ve only been circulating that one since 2016, I think, but seriously? The state of Minnesota and the feds are so stupid they would let brother and sister marry and stay married for what, 8 years, without any consequences whatsoever?

  167. 167
    Chetan Murthy says:


    I’m gonna guess that there was a element of casual racism in her tweet, a form of shorthand that has been surrounding her all her life, which is why understanding that “Jews” in a “call out” is a no-no has been hard to sink in.

    Very perceptive, and has the ring of truth.

  168. 168
    Amir Khalid says:

    @Steve in the ATL:
    You should try Keef Richards’ knife-fighting technique: dazzle’em with a shiny blade, and while they’re distracted, RUN!

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