Tuesday Open Thread

Betty already posted this amazing video, but I wanted to highlight the following comment which made me laugh so hard I started coughing:

203 replies
  1. 1
    PsiFighter37 says:

    Anyone want to start handicapping the AZ-Sen race? I gotta think Kelly has almost the near-perfect profile for a candidate to take the other Arizona seat. Not sure about other potential Democratic candidates in Arizona, but I gotta think he should be in good shape. Bloomberg will undoubtedly give loads of super PAC support due to gun control position.

  2. 2
    Amir Khalid says:

    There’s a reason that cat agility is not a thing. Although I remember reading, some years back, a hilarious NYT story about some misguided persons trying hard to make it a thing …

  3. 3
    WaterGirl says:

    @PsiFighter37: This looks like a really smart choice. Gives me hope that if we can get just the right candidates in some of these states, maybe we can win back the senate.

  4. 4

    “Exercise fascinates me. I can sit and watch it for hours.”

  5. 5
    trollhattan says:

    If Kelly can’t kick some serious ass then we can stop talking about Arizona being a purple state. If Nevada can, they can.

    Fingers crossed.

  6. 6
    Ladyraxterinok says:

    In the 50s and 60s we had a medium sized black dog I think was some sort of retriever, with a beautiful tail like a golden retriever.

    One of the things he loved to do was stand at attention in the living room with us 3 kids and maybe some guests seated around the room in a circle.. Someone would blow up and tie a round balloon and then bat it up to the center of the circle. Trub–short for Trouble–would jump up and hit it with his nose, sending it to someone on the circle. He would continue batting the balloon as long as we were willing to play.

    He was an amazing dog–and so much fun!

  7. 7
    NotMax says:

    Open thread?

    Tried out a recipe for the super duper bread machine which basically uses drained canned peas as the liquid component. Interesting enough to make now and again as an alternative type of bread but need to think on tweaking the recipe. Adding butter as an ingredient is a definite – needed to make a better, less dense loaf for this one. Maybe some basil or else either a touch of nutmeg or allspice. Does make an above average slice of toast.

    (One way to get a serving of veggies. :) )

  8. 8
    WaterGirl says:

    @NotMax: As for tweaking the recipe, may I suggest leaving out the peas? :-)

  9. 9
    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Amir Khalid: There used to be a guy performing in Mallory Square (Key West, FL) with a troupe of housecats doing a smaller-scale version of circus tigers jumping through flaming hoops and stuff. It was remarkable.

  10. 10
    piratedan says:

    @PsiFighter37: one possible issue that could come up is that post Giffords shooting, they lived in Texas (Houston) to allow her to rehab close to him as they had only been married a relatively short time. While their gun control advocacy is well noted, this is STILL Arizona and while myself and a good many Arizonans will be in their corner, there are also quite a few who will not be. Other items of note, he does counter MxSally’s military cred, being a pilot himself, where he sits on topics like immigration, climate science will also be important to follow. A big topic out here is also Education and naturally health care, assuming Gabby was a crucial vote in getting the ACA passed, I have to believe that they’ll be advocates in support of some medical coverage and bashing McSally over her repeal votes would likely be a great tactic, and considering how Sinema won, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the same playbook used and Kelly likely has even fewer skeletons in his closet and McSally ran a 85% negative campaign against Sinema and Kelly doesn’t have a legislative record to run against, so he could be a very hard person to get a handle on in that regard. Maybe she’ll use that lack of political background against him, which would be ironic, since that’s exactly how McSally won her Congressional seat to begin with.

  11. 11
    NotMax says:


    The map of Senate seats up for 2020 is much more favorably inclined to Ds. Not that a majority is a given, however we’re not starting the race 500 yards back and toting an anvil as in 2018.

  12. 12
    Elizabelle says:

    Not quite sure what to think of this article. Mostly, would they deign to tell you they found something? Do they really care?

    Seeker magazine: Here’s Why Cats Might Make Skilled Search and Rescue Animals

    Experts say cats may hold even more potential than dogs when it comes to sniffing out missing persons, bombs drugs and diseases.

    … there are three families of receptor proteins in the scent detection organ of mammals: V1Rs, V2Rs and FPRs. The number of V1R receptor gene variants is believed to predict the mammal’s ability to discriminate different odors. Domestic cats have around 30 V1Rs compared to just nine in dogs, Shreve said. Humans have only two. Rats beat them all, with an incredible 120 V1Rs.

    As a result, rats are already being used to detect landmines, and research is underway to use them to detect tuberculosis. The rodents are also being trained now to be search and rescue animals, with five trained rats acing a test that called for them to locate a human in a simulated collapsed building.

    …. Shreve and Udell indicate that the “target” can also be a particular odor, such as the scent given off by a type of cancer. Dogs have already shown that they can do this in studies, by touching their muzzle against a test tube when it contains a sample from a person with lung cancer.

    Shreve said that the skill is likely underused in cats. One of her own cats, for example, repeatedly sniffed a certain side of another cat’s face in the household. This second cat seemed fine, but then it was later discovered that she had a cancerous growth in the area that the other cat previously sniffed out.

    Not all cats are destined for search and rescue work, however.

    You all might have already been discussing this article, cuz think I saw it on a Juicer’s FB page.

  13. 13
    Mary G says:

    Kids today:

    Something extraordinary is happening in Europe—and perhaps soon in America. Teen girls are leading a movement to stop climate change. https://t.co/5phKLPWhm6— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) February 12, 2019

    are awesome!

  14. 14
    Culture of Truth says:

    “or yesterday, I can’t be sure.”

  15. 15
    NotMax says:


    it’s tasty enough to not abandon. Just an evanescent undertone of peas. And BTW it is not green.

  16. 16

    Here’s Samwise playing with catnip. Nature’s perfect killing machine. https://imgur.com/a/xkbPkEf

  17. 17
    Mary G says:

    @PsiFighter37: @piratedan: I was thrilled to see that Kelly is running. McSally will have had a year and change of agreeing to, or at least ignoring, whatever whack comes out of Twitler’s piehole, and except for the white people in their gated communities, Arizona is not a big “scary immigrants are coming to kill us” state, as are most of the border states.

  18. 18
    ThresherK says:

    HL Gates’ show tonight is about the lineage of: Tulsi Gabbard, Paul Ryan, and Mack Rubio.


  19. 19
    WaterGirl says:

    @NotMax: Even the thought of eating peas makes me shudder. To each their own!

  20. 20
    Elizabelle says:

    @Amir Khalid: Found it.

    NY Times, November 2011: The Next Best Thing to Herding Cats
    (In Feline Agility Competitions, the Biggest Obstacle Can Be the Cat …)

    It is a sport in which the contestants sometimes lie down in the middle of the field, unmotivated and bemused.

    Will pull some excerpts in a few. Got to get a glass of wine now.

  21. 21
    NotMax says:


    Even the thought of eating peas makes me shudder.

    You spelled zucchini wrong.


  22. 22
    Elizabelle says:

    @ThresherK: That’s like a joke. They ALL have some common ancestor and … think of the worst of the worst, cowardly fer sure ….

  23. 23
    NotMax says:


    The Binge(watch) & Purge Hour?

  24. 24
    Face says:

    Anyone heard from the Bloated Bastard if he’ll sign this funding bill or not? Please tell me he’s not really going to veto the bill, then attempt to pin that on the Dems, right? Even he’s not that stupid, right?

  25. 25
    piratedan says:

    @Mary G: Mary G, unfortunately the scary immigrant card still has value here (think Sun City with all of those scared retired white people) and while it doesn’t have the allure it once did, I can guarantee you it will still be played (how do you think Sheriff Joe stayed in office so long?). Just like the Wall still gets promoted as a solution by people in Phoenix, who’re nearly 175-200 miles from the border, those lies die hard. There’s a big streak of red that still runs thru the state but someone like Kelly could have some serious crossover appeal. I will be interested to see how he runs his campaign and what other challengers he might get in the primary. Also, if McSally attempts to moderate herself, there’s a deep wingnut bench here as well with asshats like Gosar and Biggs at the Congressional level, not to mention Gov. Ducey himself and who knows who else may crawl out of the woodwork (Kelli Ward again? Meghan McCain?).

  26. 26
    JPL says:

    @PsiFighter37: My opinion which counts for nothing is bye, bye McSally.

  27. 27
    Sab says:

    @Amir Khalid: My favorite cat, a tuxedo with siamese ancestry, has no problem with agility. He does have a problem with taking direction. He also does have a problem with finding a useful outlet for that curiosity and energy. Opening cupboards and climbing around inside breaking things isn’t useful.

    Since cat agility isn’t a thing, would cat hamster wheels work?

  28. 28
    trollhattan says:

    Zucchini is proof that anybody can garden but most should not. Zucchini blossoms and teensy squash excepted.

  29. 29
    JPL says:

    @Major Major Major Major: How is she adjusting, and has she forgiven you? Also, how are you enjoying the weather.

  30. 30
    Chip Daniels says:

    Cats CAN do many, many things.

    Whether they give a damn to be bothered, is altogether different.

  31. 31
    NotMax says:


    Wasn’t it in Arizona where the nonsense about hordes of headless immigrants invading (or was that hordes of immigrants performing beheadings) gained a foothold?

  32. 32
    WaterGirl says:

    @NotMax: Okay, now it’s on! Zucchini is one of my favorite vegetables.

  33. 33
    Gin & Tonic says:

    This evening I am making my first attempt to duplicate a wonderful lentil and sausage stew I had at a small restaurant called Pura Vida in El Calafate, an oasis of vegetables and grains in otherwise carnivorous Patagonia. In an hour or so I’ll know how close I got.

    Some corn bread to go with it, too.

  34. 34
    frosty fred says:

    @ThresherK: Yeah. I was thinking I’d drop him a note thanking him for making it one episode I could just skip.

  35. 35
    JPL says:

    @WaterGirl: It took me decades to appreciate peas, since my mom served the canned ones which were awful.

  36. 36
  37. 37
    piratedan says:

    @NotMax: aye, the same….. from our cocktail hour Governor Jan Brewer

  38. 38
    NotMax says:


    Even the Rock of Gibraltar has its faults.


  39. 39

    @JPL: he’s doing great. As soon as I got him here it was like he knew he was home. As for the weather, it’s fine, it’s always been the summer here that’ll kill me.

  40. 40
  41. 41
    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @Mary G: Really great article. Like hearing about protests in countries other than UK, France, US.

    Also interesting how the young women are being ignored or attacked by middle-aqed male politicians. The Australian reaction is especially mind-boggling!

  42. 42
    Sab says:

    @trollhattan: I think I have had this discussion here before. I think love of zuccinis is a feminine attribute because my father, my brother and both of my husbands hated it however it was presented.

    As I recall, Amir Khalid has assured me that males in Asia are fine with zuccini. Apparently western women don’t know how to cook it. (He did not say that. I was just making an inference.)

  43. 43

    Cats can be agile, bosscat could jump up 4ft in the air when he was a juvenile kitteh, but they won’t do it on your command.

  44. 44
    MomSense says:


    Ha!! I’ve learned to love the stuff – had to since I always end up with so much of it.

  45. 45
    Doug R says:


    My favorite cat, a tuxedo with siamese ancestry, has no problem with agility. He does have a problem with taking direction. He also does have a problem with finding a useful outlet for that curiosity and energy. Opening cupboards and climbing around inside breaking things isn’t useful.

    Since cat agility isn’t a thing, would cat hamster wheels work?

    I found an IR thermometer at Costco for about $20 a couple of months back. They used to be about $120, so I snapped it up. They come with a laser circle to show you the area you are measuring, so while checking the floor and wall temperature, one of our cats noticed it.
    He will chase the laser circle up and down the hall for a while until he starts panting and slows down. I find it helps, since he’s not yet 1 year old and a little hellion.

  46. 46
    Anonymous At Work says:

    @schrodingers_cat: “There is only one of God’s creatures that cannot be made a slave to the lash, and that is the cat.” Mark Twain. He was pretty good at such sayings.

  47. 47
    dexwood says:

    @frosty fred:
    Damn good idea. Thanks, will borrow.

  48. 48
    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @JPL: Likewise. Never have learned to appreciate fresh spinach!

    We kids were born in 40, 41, and 42. We lived in a city during WWII. Our vegetables were mostly from cans. My Gramma had a large garden but she lived some hours from us. To confess, I still like cooked canned spinach sprinkled with vinegar and topped with slices of a hard-boiled egg.

  49. 49
    Sab says:

    @Sab: Damn. Spelling. Zuccini has an h. Steve in the ATL will be on my case now. He hates the random h.

  50. 50
    Jay says:

    “Michael Calderone
    Michael Calderone
    tells White House that access to “media area last night was unsupervised and that no member of law enforcement or security stopped the attacker entering, intervened when he began his attack or followed up”


  51. 51
    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @Sab: My friend in IA had a great zucchini quick bread recipe. As I recall, the recipe used about half of the cinnamon usually called for.

  52. 52
    JPL says:

    @Ladyraxterinok: Quick steamed spinach with an egg on top for me.

  53. 53
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Elizabelle: FYI I will be in R-VA in April. Trying to arrange my calendar to have a free evening, if you’re not back on the continent then.

    Meanwhile, whoever’s in Chattanooga come have a glass of wine with me at the Public House on Warehouse Row!

  54. 54
    chopper says:


    he’s still figuring out if he can make it look like a trump quality WIN or if it covers him in horrid loser stink.

    that’s gonna determine if feds like me report for work next week. sucks to have to write the previous two sentences, cause this is the timeline we live in.

  55. 55
    Jay says:

    I was fine with zucchini until my Mom decided to grow some. Not knowing much about it, she followed the instructions in OG, made a row of 3 foot mounds, planted 6 seeds in each mound, and watered them in.

    64 zuke plants in a 20 foot long row.

    30 years later, cleaning out the deep freezer in the basement after my Mom passed, we found about 8, 30lb blocks of frozen, shredded zucchinni left over from that one summer.

  56. 56
    Pogonip says:

    @JPL: Yes, fresh or frozen are much better.

  57. 57
    Sab says:

    @Jay: That’s kind of like the very old American joke about not leaving your car unlocked in Indiana (or Illinois or Michigan, etc.) in the summer, because you will come back to its back seat filled with zucchinis and tomatoes.

  58. 58
    Pogonip says:

    CAT: You have cancer. Feed me.

  59. 59
    Elizabelle says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Keep in touch, but pretty sure I will be in Europe in April. Helping a friend move.

    We will watch the calendar. Look forward to welcoming you to RVA. Great little place for atmosphere, restaurants and artisan breweries.

  60. 60
    Face says:

    @chopper: I read somewhere (this blog?) that pilots and ATCs were planning a Shutdown Day 1 walkout if another shutdown manifests. If true, this shutdown will last all of 45 minutes. Hopefully you’ll get the backpay and they’ll round it up to an hour for ya.

  61. 61
    Jay says:


    Yeah, Mom took to early moring and late night “regifting”, because by June, people locked their doors when they saw her coming.

    I ate enough zukes that year to be good for the rest of my life.

  62. 62
    NotMax says:


    Fresh spinach steamed then sauteed in butter and brandy, with a dash of nutmeg. Heavenly.

  63. 63
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Sab: welcome to the pie filter!

  64. 64
  65. 65
    Jay says:


    Bbq’d 6oz Prime Rib burgers, lightly seasoned with Montreal Steak Spice and Lawry’s Season Salt,

    Melted sharp cheddar cheese,

    served on a toasted garlic butter Chibatta bun,

    with 2 inches of fresh lettuce piled up on the bun.

    Serve with bbq’d potato asiago wedges.

  66. 66
    sab says:

    @Steve in the ATL: What the fuck. I don’t much care, but I didn’t deserve it. Whatever. It’s mutual.

  67. 67
    dww44 says:

    @Steve in the ATL: What is it that you do for a living that enables you to visit so many American cities so very frequently? You could reply and tell me that it’s none of my business, but I hope you will satisfy my curiosity.

  68. 68

    @JPL: Stir fried spinach with garlic and sesame seeds. Palak paneer. Spinanch with dal is good too. As are spinach and eggs, spinach and shrimp, spinach and chicken. Even better than spinach is methi (fenugreek), especially the variety from Pune’, which I have never seen even in Indian markets like Patel Brothers.

  69. 69
  70. 70

    @dww44: Union busting lawyer IIRC.

  71. 71
    Mary G says:

    They can’t even grift right:

    National Enquirer parent company AMI is totally broke with a negative net worth of over $200 million. https://t.co/ruxKigfJnS— Ben White (@morningmoneyben) February 13, 2019

  72. 72
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Face: on my elliptical shuffle this morning: “waitress in the sky” by the Replacements

    @NotMax: fresh spinach sautéed briefly in chicken broth, seasoned with a soupçon of creole

  73. 73
    NotMax says:


    Performing a rite of torture on succulent prime rib? Cosmos forfend!


  74. 74
    Jay says:


    It was over your spelling, and probably a joke.

  75. 75

    @Mary G: That is what is on the books. Like crime cartels not all their money is legit and above board. This is just my educated guess BTW.

  76. 76
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @sab: chillax, I was joking. Riffing on your comment that I would be offended by your typo.

  77. 77
    Jay says:

    Spinach, diced mango, diced sweet pepper, chevre, toasted/salted pistachio nuts, raspberry vinagrette.

  78. 78
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @dww44: I’m a labor and employment lawyer, though the last few years I’ve done mostly labor. I travel around the country negotiating union contracts. Is it glamorous? I don’t mean to brag, but I’m staying in a Hilton Garden Inn tonight! Near a mall!

  79. 79
    NotMax says:

    @Steve in the ATL

    In reality I will take a good creamed spinach* any day over plain spinach (fresh, frozen or canned)..

    *And yes, there are really bad creamed spinach recipes.

  80. 80
    Baud says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Is it one of those malls with a TGI Fridays?

  81. 81
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @NotMax: I do love good creamed spinach, but in my dotage I have to watch the calories!

  82. 82
    Jay says:


    Here, burgers are all beef. If you don’t want a custom grind of several different cuts of beef to get the fat mix right, your choices are hamburger, lean hamburger or extra lean.

    I get prime rib trimmings, from my Abattoir, use a coarse grind, lightly form with no binders, fillers or seasoning, a trick I learned from Burger Haven, ( now Heaven), the peoples First Choice winner in the LML, for 35 years now. I use hardwood charcoal.

  83. 83
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Baud: haven’t noticed one, but it’s possible. Have eaten only at the PF Chang’s and Bonefish Grill over there. I try to eat local whenever possible, and Chatt has some good restaurants.

  84. 84
    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Martin: Let he or she who hasn’t accidentally bailed out a shitpile crime family to the tune of billions of dollars cast the first stone.

    *heads off to the local quarry*

  85. 85
    Sab says:

    @Jay: Thanks. I am unfortunately literal minded and hurt. Pied him. Hated to do it because I like his comments. Thanks to you I unpied him and now just feel stupid. I can live with that. So thanks.

  86. 86
    NotMax says:

    @Steve in the ATL

    Strictly between you, me and the lamppost, the secret is to tilt the bowl or plate. All the calories flow downhill and you only need leave uneaten that last spoonful.



    Or maybe a Hooter’s?


  87. 87
    Gvg says:

    @Mary G: yipee! I have hated that paper with a passion for 30+ years. I happen to think they make fun of the handicapped in various loathsome headlines. Treating them like circus freaks. I also think reading them makes people stupider, and I have known a few that did.

  88. 88
    zhena gogolia says:


    Oh, he was kidding! I’m sure he’d be sorry to think you took him seriously.

  89. 89
    Duane says:

    @ThresherK: Love children of Ayn Rand?

  90. 90
    Jay says:


    BtDubs, meant 2 inches of fresh spinach, not lettuce, lettuce can’t take the flavour mix.

  91. 91
    Gwangung says:

    @Mary G: Kinda explains why they tried to strong arm Bezos. Either outcome might have meant a cash influx fir them.

  92. 92
    Gin & Tonic says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    I’m sure he’d be sorry to think

    Lawyers have emotions?

  93. 93
    Another Scott says:

    @frosty fred: I literally LOLed when I saw the list of guests, muttered to my self, and decided I needed to do some stuff in my office.

    It was kind of the producers, though, to put them all on one easy-to-skip episode.



  94. 94
    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Jay: My understanding is that the attacker wasn’t even charged with assault or anything else which I find pretty shocking.

  95. 95
  96. 96
    Jay says:


    When somebody says they pied you, if you click on the @Your Nym in the comment, it takes you to the comment that they said they pied.

    From that you can figure out why the blocked you, if they blocked you, if an airborne cream pie is headed your way, or a seving of hot blackberry/apple with real vanella ice cream if you ever meet in real life.

  97. 97
    Sab says:

    @Steve in the ATL: It wasn’t a typo. It was a straightforward misspelling. I was riffing on our “an historian v a historian” thing awhile ago. Which you won! I was offended that you would pie me because I made mocking reference to a thread you won. You seemed to be an extremeley sore loser, which surprised me. At which point you seemed beneath contempt. And now I am totally in the wrong and extremely embarrassed. I hope you are proud of yourself tonight.

  98. 98
    Patricia Kayden says:

    @ThresherK: Gates should have spaced them out instead of having three awful people in one episode. **shudders**

  99. 99
    Jay says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    I’m not the least bit shocked. It’s become what I expect in Trump’s America.

  100. 100
  101. 101
    NotMax says:


    The historian dilemma deserves extended discussion. Like for a hour.


  102. 102
    Sab says:

    @Jay: @Jay: Thanks. I am at home in bed with the worst cold I have had in ten years. My diaphram hurts everytime I cough. I’ve got no air in my brain so I can’t think. I am sleeping in the guestroom and I still kept my husband up last night with my coughing. So my brain isn’t in gear this week. I work seasonally and I have just missed a week of work because I am infectious plus I can’t think. Thanks for mending the issue w/ Steve.

  103. 103
    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    Dick Cheney’s former doctor finds the president’s decision not to release results from his physical to be suspect

    “It’s been 4 days since the president underwent his annual physical exam and still no data has been released. What are they hiding? “

    Imagine the corporate media hysteria if a Dem refused to release their medical report or taxes. But, IOKIYAR

  104. 104
    Elizabelle says:

    @Sab: Hope you feel better soonest. That sounds awful.

  105. 105
    Another Scott says:

    @Sab: I hope you feel better soon.

    Warm ginger ale (heated a little while in the microwave) often helped me when I was sick and coughing. Worth a shot?

    Hang in there!


  106. 106
    Bex says:

    @Patricia Kayden: Gabbard, Rubio and Ryan spent a lot of time praising not only their ancestors, but immigration and immigrants in general. I think Gates made his point.

  107. 107
    rikyrah says:

    You win tonight’s dinner😋😋

  108. 108
    NotMax says:

    @David Merry Christmas Koch

    Hey, they can’t come up with a wholly new, inscrutable system of weights and measures overnight.

    “Weight: 38 glurbs.”

  109. 109
    Sab says:

    @Sab: Having read this comment I still seem like a jerk with a cold. Apologies Steve.I am going to bed.

  110. 110
    Sab says:

    @NotMax: That discussion was history. I lost. I still thinks it sounds weird: “a historian”.

  111. 111
    NotMax says:


    Eighty-six the two inches of spinach, substitute a grilled thick slice of red onion and will be there in half a tick, white horseradish spread in tow.

  112. 112
    Ohio Mom says:

    @Sab: Are you sure you only have a cold? You might also have a bacterial infection worthy of a trip to the doctor.

    At any rate, hope you feel better soon.

  113. 113
    NotMax says:


    Read that comment more closely. ‘Twas constructed as a light-hearted jest.

  114. 114

    @Sab: Hot ginger tea or warm turmeric milk with a dash of cayenne and a spoonful of sugar, will work wonders for your congestion.

  115. 115
    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho says:

    @sab: Don’t feel bad! He said almost the exact same thing to me not long ago. Though that might make you a rerun.

    He’s actually a good guy, especially when you consider how he pays his mortgage. (She says, trying desperately to get unpied).

  116. 116

    @Patricia Kayden: I didn’t much enjoy the Maria Tomei, Kal Pen and Sheryl Sandberg episode either.

  117. 117
    Raven says:

    @schrodingers_cat: We just watched The Hundred Foot Journey. It was just ok.

    The family of talented cook, Hassan Kadam, has a life filled with both culinary delights and profound loss. Drifting through Europe after fleeing political violence in India that killed the family restaurant business and their mother, the Kadams arrive in France. Once there, a chance auto accident and the kindness of a young woman, Marguerite, in the village of Saint-Antonin-Noble-Val inspires Papa Kadam to set up a Indian restaurant there.

  118. 118

    @Raven: I have not heard of it. There are far better movies with Om Puri in it.

  119. 119
    Ohio Mom says:

    Just saw somewhere that Lyndon LaRouche died. I didn’t know he was still alive.

  120. 120
    Amir Khalid says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch:
    I don’t think they’re managing to hide much of anything. Der Scheißgibbon looks unhealthy. He is obviously obese. Almost certainly, given his well-known bad habits, he is also hypertensive, hypercholesterolaemic, and has signs of heart disease. But for all that, he is also within his privacy rights to forbid the release of his medical data, although I don’t think that right should extend to ordering physicians on the public payroll to lie about his health.

  121. 121
    Sab says:

    @Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: Thanks. That actually makes me feel more stupid, that I fell for a joke that he didn’t feel was that intense. Just shows how stupid this cold has made me. I am about to wake my favorite cat up to explain ethics to me.1

  122. 122
    Raven says:

    @schrodingers_cat: I hadn’t either it was in Netflix and had Helen Mirren too so we watched it. They could have trimmed 30 minutes and not lost anything.

  123. 123
    Amir Khalid says:

    I saw the movie, and I agree.
    ETA: I found the scenes where the Kadams, a Muslim family, were cooking with pork and wine a bit strange.

  124. 124
    Jay says:


    De nada,

    Vicks or a eucalyptus oil hot bath, lots of moisture, stay hydrated with salts, sleep well while you can, get checked asap for pneumonia and other infections, rest and relax.

    T’is the season.

  125. 125
    Jeffro says:


    It took me decades to appreciate peas, since my mom served the canned ones which were awful.

    Exactly! I used to hate asparagus, spinach, and brussels sprouts (canned, canned, and boiled, respectively) until I had them done RIGHT. Love ’em!

  126. 126
    sab says:

    @Ohio Mom: You sound like my husband.

  127. 127
  128. 128
    Raven says:

    @schrodingers_cat: How do you know if you never heard of it?

  129. 129
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Lawyers have emotions?


  130. 130
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Ohio Mom: Just saw somewhere that Lyndon LaRouche died. I didn’t know he was still alive.

    in an ornate, gilded room in England, a little old lady dips an ostrich quill in blood-red ink, and elegantly crosses one name off a list on a piece of parchment.

    She smiles, a smile as cold as the wind whipping across the Orkneys in January.

    She reaches for her gin and tonic, and toasts her own small victory.

  131. 131
    evodevo says:

    @Ohio Mom: Yeah, that sounds like what I have been suffering through for the last 10 days here in Ky – started out as horrible cough, changed to cold, then back to bronchitis. FINALLY got antibiotics last Sat. and slept for 3 days….now feel somewhat human again ….a friend/coworker had it too, so it must be the same virus (?) going around. We both sound like we have TB…

  132. 132
    Jeffro says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch:

    Imagine the corporate media hysteria if a Dem refused to release their medical report or taxes. But, IOKIYAR

    I think the GOP’s official position is, “Since he won the election, the voters have spoken, and they don’t care”

    Never mind that the majority of voters clearly did care, since they voted for HRC. Ah well, consistency, hobgoblins, all that. But you’re right, we’ll be right back to expecting full medical disclosures, tax returns, and deficit hawkery just as soon as a Dem is in the WH.

  133. 133
    Jay says:


    The spinach makes it a salad, not a burger, I sometimes add boiled egg slices and bacon and call it a Ceasar Salad,

    pretend I’m eating healty.

  134. 134
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Jeffro: my mother was, mostly, a really good cook, but my god she believed green vegetables should be cooked to near mush

  135. 135
    Jay says:


    Pretty sure I’m not, got the wrong parts for the job.

  136. 136
    NotMax says:


    Oh gawd, Vicks. Took I don’t know how many times of it being foisted on my kiddy chest until the parents got it through their heads the stench of it made me repeatedly vomit. Every time.

    Also too, it’s a cough suppressant. With such severe congestion, an expectorant to break it up is probably going to be more efficacious.

  137. 137
    Steeplejack says:

    I guess Rachel Maddow is doing one presidential candidate a night. She has been doing a long piece on Cory Booker—starting the actual interview with him now. This explains her long-ass treatment of Amy Klobuchar last night.

  138. 138
    citizen scientist says:

    @Jay: Yikes! At least that zucchini would’ve been great for composting, eh?

  139. 139
    Aleta says:

    @Sab: Hot water bottle on the chest might feel good. I think the heat helps the pain and the congestion. Your hub can get one at a pharmacy-type store.

    Feel better soon.

  140. 140
    Mike in NC says:

    @Jeffro: Peas are pretty much the only vegetable I won’t eat. I’ll even pick them out of a chicken pot pie.

  141. 141
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Sab: no worries—I’m a labor lawyer with a wife and two daughters—there’s nothing anyone can say that will hurt me!

    Hope you feel better, and I’ll try to be less subtle next time!

  142. 142
    Raven says:

    @Steeplejack: Now now, there there. There there, now now. . .

  143. 143
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @evodevo: that sounds almost as bad as Bevinitis

  144. 144
    Jeffro says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Mine did too…just open that can, and heat ’em up in a pan. When I think of all the poor little asparagus stalks that gave up their lives only to be boiled and canned in a factory, and then boiled again on my mom’s stovetop, it brings a tear to my eye.

    Onward and upward, though! My daughter loves oven-roasted veggies and we just had one heck of a ‘meatless Monday’ yesterday. =)

  145. 145
    Raven says:

    @NotMax: Snow huh?

  146. 146
    Jager says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    My girls had a cat who would retrieve a foam ball. They would go at it for 5 or 10 minutes tben Puffin would require a one hour nap.

  147. 147
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Steeplejack: Booker just mentioned bipartisan bible study.

    Family obligations prevent me from emigrating.

  148. 148
    Jay says:


    Keeps the bronchai expanded, makes breathing easier while you sleep.

    It’s only daytime use is a little dab under the nose to cover up the smell of the corpse.

    A hot bath with eucalyptus oil, opens the lungs up, cleans out the sinus’s, lets you hack out a ton of goop.

  149. 149
  150. 150

    @Raven: Om Puri has had some memorable performances, two that come to mind are Anant Velankar, the conflicted cop in Ardh Satya (Half Truth) and as a butcher whose services where used to start a riot in the Partition miniseries, Tamas (Darkness), both directed by Govind Nihalani.

  151. 151
    Punchy says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Labor lawyer? So you sue OBs for botched deliveries?

  152. 152

    @Jay: Your cold remedies are similar to hers.

  153. 153
    Raven says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Oh I don’t doubt it after looking at his filmography but what if this had been his tour de force?

  154. 154
    NotMax says:


    In place of a hot water bottle, have a large thick woolen sock partially filled – no more than two-thirds full – with raw rice and sewn tightly shut which I microwave for a bit. Retains the heat for a long stretch. Be careful with the microwaving (as always, dependent on the particular microwave oven), it can get much too hot and need to cool down before application.

  155. 155
    Jay says:


    I used to make June runs up to a special spot on the Thompson. I’d pich a cooler full of feral asparagus, then fish stoneflies for the big rainbows that would gather for the migration.

    By the time I’d get home, there would be a couple of servings of asparagus left.

  156. 156
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Punchy: ha!

  157. 157
    NotMax says:


    You betchum, Red Ryder. At the lowest elevation ever recorded for measurable snowfall here. Saturday/Sunday was a heckuva weather ride.

  158. 158
    West of the Rockies says:

    I find Booker to be a potentially compelling choice.

  159. 159
    Jay says:


    Including hot brandy/lemon/honey tea?

    Doesn’t do a damned thing for the cold but it makes you care less that you’ve got one.

  160. 160
    Sab says:

    @Steve in the ATL: I have a niece who is a brilliant and a labor lawyer. Not subtle, however.

  161. 161
    Steve in the ATL says:


    I have a niece who is a brilliant and a labor lawyer

    Yeah, I’m just a labor lawyer

  162. 162
    Aleta says:

    @Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: One time I was writing a reply to Steve when my cat walked across the keyboard. No real words were typed but Steve took it wrong and pied my cat. After the fine wine wore off, we got it sorted out. The cat graciously dismissed it as a cultural misunderstanding.

  163. 163
    Jay says:


    Has your cat met Steve? It may just be biding it’s time.

  164. 164

    @Raven: From your description, it sounded like a fluff movie compared to his other work. Om Puri was one of the finest actors of his generation.

  165. 165
  166. 166
    Mike in NC says:

    Watching “Bohemian Rhapsody”. It got mixed reviews for artistic license, but it’s damned entertaining. Just give the Oscar to Rami Malek and be done with it.

  167. 167
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Aleta: FYI, all of my comments about pieing people are facetious. When I actually pie someone (hi, Brickley Paiste!) I don’t post about it.

  168. 168

    @Jay: That was grandpa. Brandy was my grandfather’s cure for everything.

  169. 169
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Jay: in my defense, her cat pied me first

  170. 170
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @schrodingers_cat: must be a cultural difference. My grandfather used bourbon for the same purpose.

  171. 171
    NotMax says:

    That wasn’t a softball interview with Booker on Maddow’s show, it was a slow-pitcfh Nerfball one.

  172. 172
    billcinsd says:

    @Sab: I’m a guy and I love zucchini — steamed, in bread, in jelly, in salsa, it’s all good

  173. 173
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Is smugness an emotion?

  174. 174
    germy says:

    So Lyndon LaRouche died today.

    I remember his followers passing out leaflets at protests that had nothing to do with him or his issues. They just sort of followed the crowd.

  175. 175
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: That is brilliant.

  176. 176
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: how dare you insult lawyers! Welcome to the pie filter.

  177. 177
  178. 178
    Jay says:


    They say if you can’t say anything good about somebody,

    So LaRouche is dead,


  179. 179
    Aleta says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Cat says thou hast a slanderous tongue.

  180. 180
    germy says:


    LaRouche abhored popular music; he said in 1980, “Rock was not an accidental thing. This was done by people who set out in a deliberate way to subvert the United States. It was done by British intelligence,” and wrote that the Beatles were “a product shaped according to British Psychological Warfare Division specifications.” LaRouche movement members have protested at performances of Richard Wagner’s operas, denouncing Wagner as an anti-Semite who found favor with the Nazis, and called a conductor “satanic” because he played contemporary music.

  181. 181
    NotMax says:

    @Omnes Omnibus

    Take out her gin & tonic, plug in her pink gin and it would be perfect.

    /inner editor

  182. 182
    Ohio Mom says:

    @sab: Great minds think alike!

    Also see@Jay: “get checked for pneumonia”

  183. 183
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Self-hating?

  184. 184
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: sociopathic?

  185. 185
    Jeffro says:

    @Raven: She did get the point – or lack thereof, I suppose – across!

    I saw several pro- and whoa- Booker comments upthread. I just cannot envision the guy as our CINC. Having said that, voting Dem, crawling over broken glass, etc etc.

    Maybe we just need an abbreviation for: ‘Not My Cup of Tea; Having Said That, Would Crawl Over Broken Glass to Vote Dem in The General”. COBG? NMC-COBG? I dunno. It’ll save us all a lot of time between now and the first primaries.


  186. 186
    NotMax says:


    BGN. Broken glass nominee.


  187. 187
    Jay says:


    I’m not bothering to comment,

    Other than to defend a Cantidate against MSM amplified Wingerisms.

    It’s a long marathon to the finish line of the Primaries and character will show. Some will rise to the occasion, some won’t.

    There’s lots of time to wait and see.

  188. 188
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Now we are rolling.

  189. 189
    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Is that like semi-suicidal?

  190. 190
    Jay says:


    So you were mean to a sweet little kitty?


  191. 191
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: You mean that feeling when your client on the stand just starts saying all the shit you told him not to volunteer and since no question was asked and you put him on the stand you can’t really object but you start to think that faking a heart attack is the only real way out but fuck it the case just went down the toilet anyway christ why did you take it on a contingency basis anyway. That feeling?

  192. 192
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: oh man I wish I had no idea what you’re talking about, but alas….

  193. 193
    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Kinda takes care of smugness, doesn’t it?

    @Steve in the ATL: don’t we all?

  194. 194
    B.B.A. says:

    This thread makes me so glad I couldn’t get hired by a firm out of law school and ended up finding gainful employment outside the profession altogether.

    You may commence pelting me with rocks and garbage now.

  195. 195
    Jeffro says:

    @NotMax: As in, “not thrilled but will still crawl over…”? Yeah, I like BGN, that works!

    Although my ability to make that a thing is limited to seconding your suggestion ;)

  196. 196
    Jeffro says:

    Oh hey look Howard Schultz is calling the Green New Deal “immoral”…Dems, this man is a coward afraid to run for the much more appropriate GOP nomination. Say so, frequently and loudly.

  197. 197
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @B.B.A.: we will pelt you, but out of jealousy

  198. 198
    Dan B says:

    @JPL: Years ago I was the chef at a “continental” restaurant. One of my favorites was Anisette Spinach. Big handsfull of fresh spinach satueed in clarified butter with minced shallots and cracked black pepper then flamed with Anisette. We served it with Halibut poached and covered with Hollandaise glazed in the Salamander (overhead broiler). The spinach had to be quickly cooked. It was a revelation. The touch of sweetness from the shallots and Anisette was perfect.

  199. 199
    West of the Rockies says:


    In what way (precisely) Schultz a Democrat? All he does is piss on Democratic policy ideas.

  200. 200
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @West of the Rockies: same way that Wilmer is

  201. 201
    dww44 says:

    @Steeplejack: I actually do appreciate these interviews she’s done. Hope they continue as I don’t think we are quite done with the announcements yet.

  202. 202
  203. 203
    Terry Calhoun says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Sigh. We once had two gorgeous, huge cats, LB and Linny. We lived a couple blocks from the U Michigan campus. We would use fishing tackle without hooks and throw them out and retrieve them. The cats would climb trees, jump over bushes, and do all sorts of agility things. Linny would do a four foot plus backflip at my wife’s command. Sigh.

Comments are closed.