911 I Would Like to Report a Murder

RIP, Sam Seaborn

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    sdhays says:

    I didn’t understand the reference. Holy shit!

    In 1988, Rob Lowe was involved in a scandal over a videotape of him having sex with two females, one of whom was 16. She was filmed with Lowe during the night before the Democratic National Convention in Atlanta. Lowe has asserted that he did not know that the second girl was underage. Lowe agreed to perform 20 hours of community service to avoid criminal charges.

    20 hours…I can’t even…

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    VeniceRiley says:

    statutory rapist sez wut?

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    JMG says:

    Remind me never to get on that guy Popehat’s bad side.

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    palaver me says:

    Didn’t know Rob was a nutter..

    (Shrugs) throw him in the Fuck Off Forever Bucket with the rest of em, I suppose..

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    I was working the 1988 Dem Convention in Atlanta. Met Rob Lowe ever so briefly (a fact which failed at the time to impress me, as I had no idea who he was). And it was a day or two anyhow before the report on RL and the underage girl came out.

    I liked the Sam Seaborn character well enough, but for Lowe to make such a stupid, puerile “joke” at Senator Warren’s expense puts him at the same crude level as Trump. Deeply disappointing.

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    Aleta says:

    I watched the 2011 clip at Politico of him on Fox encouraging T to be a candidate for the cameras. Who takes a paid acting job like that if they already have money? A: Someone with no conscience, no higher values than his bank acct and face. (The acting was obvious.) Not saying he didn’t believe in what he was doing. His beliefs are ugly and corrupt.

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    Yarrow says:

    Isn’t Rob Lowe a libertarian these days?

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    Gravenstone says:

    @sdhays: The old jibe used to be “15’ll getcha 20”. Of course, we all understood both numbers to relate to years, not days…

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    How is it that all these jerks invariably make things worse whenever they try to make things better?

    I deleted my Elizabeth Warren tweet. It was a joke and some peeps got upset, and that’s never my intention. On the GOOD side: I just got to use the Oxford comma!

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    Baud says:

    Is he conservative or just trying to be a too-cool-for-school joker?

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    Raven says:


    Fifteen may get you twenty, but that’s all right,
    ‘Cause they’ll be rockin’ and a rollin’ on a
    Livingston Saturday Night.

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    oldster says:

    But remember, there is no racism in America any longer.

    That’s vestige of our dim past, which has been completely eliminated.

    Now, the only surviving trace of racism is calling Republicans racist, which is the real racism.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    Glad I never watched that posturing talk fest.

    BTW, Rob Lowe has always been a douche.

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    jeffreyw says:

    Watched the first ep of this season’s Chef’s Table on Netflix. Nicely done, but I fear the woman has just put a target on her back. She’s come out as undocumented in a very public manner.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @sdhays: Yowza! I’d forgotten that. I’d thought pope hat was just calling him juvenile.

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    Yarrow says:

    From an article about his Comedy Central roast:

    Sixteen was two years above the age of consent in Georgia in 1988, and both Lowe’s hook-ups that night were willing partners. They even appeared to know they were being taped. (“Look at this when you’re done,” the tape shows Lowe telling them, “and see what you look like.”) In his 2011 memoir Stories I Only Tell My Friends, Lowe writes that he assumed the women were at least 21 because he himself had been grilled by the doorman upon entering the club.

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    Bruuuuce says:

    “It was only a joke” is one of the main defenses of bullies and gaslighters. Quelle putz est-il.

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    Baud says:

    President Donald Trump might be in jail by the time Election Day comes around, Massachusetts Democratic Sen. Elizabeth Warren said on her first full day of campaigning as a declared presidential candidate.

    “By the time we get to 2020, Donald Trump may not even be President,” Warren said to voters in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, gathered at the Veterans Memorial Building. “In fact, he may not even be a free person.”


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    jeffreyw says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: It works very nicely on both levels.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    andrew kaczynski @ KFILE
    Why is a racist joke from the president’s son about genocide not a bigger story? Do we just expect this from Don Jr. ?


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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @Baud: he’s a Trump supporting Republican.

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    Baud says:

    @Bobby Thomson: Fascinating. Sometimes I wish they were required to label themselves.

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    Jay says:


    Is that what past their prime, rapey Hollyweird, former actor, ReThug Trumpists call themselves these days?

    Is Rosanne now a “libertarian”?

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    sdhays says:

    @Yarrow: Looking at Wikipedia, it turns out he was arrested for taping them.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Alyssa Milano @ Alyssa_Milano
    19h19 hours ago
    Tonight, the role of Scott Baio will be played by Rob Lowe.

    that’s gotta hurt

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    satby says:

    I love Popehat, whoever he is….

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    Yarrow says:

    @sdhays: He was and he paid them off.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Baud: Donald Trump will not be in jail by Election Day, or ever. That’s guaran-fucking-teed. Talking about that like it’s a real possibility just makes one sound like those RWNJ nutters who were *convinced* that it was a matter of days, weeks at most, before Obama and Holder were arrested for something or other.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Well, yeah. I expect Jr. to be an asshole in all ways. Racist is just the way he chose in this instance. Oh, and he’s also a traitor. Tick tock, motherfucker.

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    dexwood says:

    No mere burn. Positively arson. Libertarian or not, it doesn’t matter because he’s always been an asshole above all else,

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    Baud says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    If it’s serious analysis, you’re probably right. If it’s to rev up a crowd, I’m not sure it’s ineffective.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Baud: I think it’s dumb politics for her to be talking about that on the campaign trail.

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    Baud says:


    Dumb politics as in it’ll hurt her in the primary?

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    debbie says:

    I guess this explains why a photo of him in floofy girly hair was floating around Twitter last night.

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    debbie says:


    That brightening red tells me Spring is almost here!

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    JoyceH says:

    On somewhat of a tangent, who was your favorite West Wing character? I love me some Toby!

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    Yarrow says:

    @Baud: I don’t know if it’ll hurt her in primary. I think the media loves that kind of stuff and will focus on it and it could overshadow other messages she wants to run on. They’ll also ask other D candidates about it, which again overshadows their messages.

    There was a reason Nancy SMASH didn’t encourage focusing on impeachment during the 2018 campaign and even now she keeps the focus on other issues. It’s smart politics because the issue of whether or not Trump will be in office/will be in prison will play out over time. At some point that will become the story. Get as much focus on important issues like healthcare, etc. now while you can.

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    debbie says:


    Except that comma is not an Oxford comma.

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    JanieM says:

    @debbie: I was going to ask wtf he was on about with the Oxford comma comment too. An idiot six ways from Sunday.

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    Baud says:


    I hear you. Unfortunately, with so many people running, candidates are going to try to get their names out there using whatever means they have. I can see lots of things being individually beneficial but collectively negative.

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    James E Powell says:


    I believe the name of that shade of red is “nothing could really be this red.”

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    debbie says:

    @James E Powell:

    Nature has a patent on that kind of thing!

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    Jim Parish says:

    @JoyceH: Leo. I’ve loved John Spencer in every role I’ve seen him in.

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    lollipopguild says:

    @JoyceH: Toby, Ainsley and CJ.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    I know. ‘E h’is h’a NIDIOT.

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    dexwood says:

    @James E Powell:
    My wife has a tube of acrylic paint called Cardinal Red. Great color. pops on a canvas.

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    Suzanne says:

    @Yarrow: Defeating Trump, as badly as I want to, is not as important as defeating Trumpism. I am increasingly of the opinion that the best way for him to leave office is the way he came into office: via an election.

    Then we can talk about criminal charges and send his orange ass to prison, along with Ralph Lauren of Arabia, Fredo, The Other One, Lucretia, and the rest of the peanut gallery.

    I am not sure the political capital it would require would be worth it, especially if we just got Dunce.

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    marklar says:

    Worse yet, R.I.P. Chris Traeger. I wonder what Leslie Knope would say to him?

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    Suzanne says:

    @JoyceH: CJ and Mrs. Laningham.

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    VeniceRiley says:

    Fun fact: I got Josh Malina to follow me on twitter. Because I used to be funny and generous, … you know, before I became enraged 24/7

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    Yutsano says:

    @debbie: THANK YOU. I’m sitting in my car fuming over that.

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    Bruuuuce says:

    @JoyceH: CJ, Charlie, Donna, and of course, Bartlet himself, usually in that order

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    Aleta says:

    @Bruuuuce: After this I gotta assume he’s a bully, because whether or not he intended it, he’s encouraged continued bullying of NAs in school. So an apology that doesn’t recognize and try to stop that is gaslighting, like you said. (My NA relative by was murdered on the street. Many years later, his son was harassed and threatened on the job by white-dominance types. Right now, his kids at school.) People who could contribute a lot get broken. Lowe’s and JRs and T’s words are a big deal. I can’t believe they’re doing this unless they’re industrial-scale sociopaths.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Wait, am I reading this right? Is the all-caps “TRAIL” in T’s original tweet some kind of dog whistle reference to the “Trail of Tears”? Or am I reading way too much into it?

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    Elizabelle says:

    RIP “Freedom Fries” congressman Walter Jones. He was a pretty good guy. Moderate GOP out of North Carolina, on his 76th birthday.

    WaPost: Walter Jones, ‘freedom fries’ congressman who became Iraq War critic, dies at 76

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    jayboat says:

    Popehat is the reason I joined twitter. His snark level is brutal.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: No dog whistle, more of a klaxon, but I do think it’s for the Trail of Tears.

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    JDM says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    that’s gotta hurt

    Alyssa’s been proving to be both smart and funny.

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    Bruuuuce says:

    @Aleta: As the school “brain” through elementary and high school, I was bullied constantly, and “it was only a joke” was almost a daily excuse. The problem is that without repeated behavior (such as that from the Toddler-in-Chief), calling e bully on that particular behavior often leads to their being able to wiggle out.

    I think we as a society are doing better at recognizing that, now, but it is still not reliably called out where it needs to be, in the Big Megaphones.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    The “freedom fries” thing was stupid, even during the heady days of the early Afgh/Iraq Wars. But in other ways, Walter Jones was a decent-enough guy, for a NC Republican. Don’t mean to diminish the recently-departed. RIP.

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    Jay says:


    The best way for him to leave office, is in handcuffs. The best way to defeat Trumpism is if all the Enablers, Pence, Yurtle, the NRA, and all the others, also go to jail.

    While that is how it should be done, it’s not going to happen before the election.

    It might not even happen. There is a long history of “looking forward, not backwards” in US politics.

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    debbie says:


    Trump’s defenders last night disputed that Trump was referring to the Trail of Tears, saying he wasn’t knowledgeable enough about that (bullshit, he’s got a portrait of Andrew Jackson hanging in the Oval Office). Plus, Jr. retweeted his father’s tweet, commenting, “Savage!”

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    I saw the original tweet, and the TRAIL reference completely eluded me until I saw Junior’s comment. Probably because my receiver isn’t tuned to RWNJ signals. I just thought the all-caps thing was weird. Need to learn to pay closer attention.

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    NotMax says:

    Incredible wind-driven torrential rains today. And chilly. Power has already blinked off and on twice. Cable TV is showing pictures okay but no sound on any channel.

    @Siubhan Duinne

    Yeah, even Jones later admitted that freedom fries was boneheaded, IIRC.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: on the one hand, no one can believe trump has that much history at his command (Brit Hume and Erick Erickson are unironically making the “he’s too dumb for that!” argument), on the other, what else could it mean? And he seems to have read a golden corral placemat history of Andrew Jackson, so maybe that’s what stuck with him

    I didn’t know Walter Jones had gone to his reward.

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    When West Wing was first conceived of, they thought the Rob Lowe character (Sam?) would be the focus. The debut episode had him sleeping with a prostitute he didn’t know was a prostitute. Their phones got mixed up.

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    Sab says:

    @debbie:Not all Oxford commas are alike.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Baud: I hear you about candidates wanting to get their names out there. I think talking about Trump being out of office before 2020 and in prison is a bad way to do it. Bad for the candidate doing it, bad for Democrats in general. It’s playing on Trump’s territory because then the conversation turns to “it’s a witch hunt” etc. The smarter move is to focus on issues where Trump and Republicans have screwed average Americans. Let the investigations play out.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: No, that was intentional. For real.

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    The Midnight Lurker says:

    I helped with damage control in 88′. All of us low-lifes just grit our teeth as the higher-ups bent over backwards to save this asshole’s career… and he wasn’t even on the fucking ticket! THAT’S fucking gratitude for you! May the good Lord have mercy on my wicked soul, but I hope to hell Rob Lowe dies of syphilis. And soon.

    In unrelated news, I’m headed out to old El Paso to take part in the anti-wall rally led by Beto! The GoFundMe page raised more than enough money for the Trump blimp to make an appearance! Thanks to anyone who helped with that!

    Later jackals… maybe.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: the gossip IIRC was that he was none too happy about getting overshadowed by Sheen. Then on Parks and Rec he seemed to think he was the star of the show, the rest of the cast and crew were more bemused than offended. he was very good, credit where due, but definitely a supporting player

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    David Evans says:

    @debbie: Fox News thinks he meant it. They wrote:

    “See you on the campaign TRAIL, Liz!” Trump added in a further shot at Warren’s disputed claim to have Native American ancestry.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Comedy Central did a roast of Rob Lowe and one of the people invited was Ann Coulter. Possibly never met Lowe but she was there to hawk her new book on Fat Bastard. Guess she has a severe case of buyer’s remorse.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @debbie: Trump may not be smart enough, but his resident nazi surely knows exactly what that meant. Pretty sure that came from him. Maybe not the tweet exactly, but idea for the “joke”.

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    poleaxedbyboatwork says:


    Agreed. More-in-anger-than-in-sorrow, must confess.

    Defeat alone ain’t near sufficient. Justice requires whole-scale repudiation. Long-term health and a check on recurring criminality requires prosecutions when (richly) warranted.

    One of the main reason I want Dems to get their hearings on aggressively and soon is if this shit drags on too long, the reflexive “gotta-look-forward-not-back” impulse will override (likely) the will to do anything about this travesty.

    And then alla these horrible people will go dormant, wait for a propitious moment, and spring forth to plague the body politic once again like herpes sores. Or your common Dick Cheneys and Donald Rumsfelds, veteran hacks of the Nixon admin who later found new life with some other GOP prez nobody remembers proudly and loudly having voted twice for.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Mike in NC: it turned into almost as much a roast of Coulter as Lowe. I think the best line was Jewel’s (remember emo singer songwriter Jewel?), from memory: As a woman and a feminist I’m really bothered by some of the things that have been said about Ann Coulter, but as someone who hates Ann Coulter, I think they’re really fucking funny”

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    Procopius says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: More evidence that conservatives have no sense of humor, do not understand what a “joke” is, and are incapable of making one. By the way, who is Rob Lowe and why should I care?

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    eemom says:


    Has been 1980s romcom actor. You shouldn’t.

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    zhena gogolia says:


    Good answer.

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    Mike G says:

    Rob Lowe is an arrogant asshole in person, I’ve heard from a few people.
    He went after some journalists from the Santa Barbara newspaper because when he had an appeal before the planning commission they reported his address (as was standard for those stories). He went whining to his friend the newspaper’s owner, a nasty piece of right-wing shit named Wendy McCaw, who fired them. A smug entitled prick.

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    hervevillechaizelounge says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I respectfully disagree. the best Coulter burn came from comedian Nikki Glasser: “Ann, the only man you’ll ever make happy is the Mexican who digs your grave.

    And not to be unkind but Rob Lowe’s other 80s sex tape—a three way with a man and a woman—is all over datalounge. His brain isn’t the only organ with which he got short-changed:(

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    Aleta says:

    @Bruuuuce: useful insights, thanks

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    Bruuuuce says:

    @Aleta: De nada.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    I do wonder how long it’s going to take some of these straight white dudes to figure out that being publicly racist is going to hurt their careers. I thought Lowe was shrewder than this, but apparently not.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @Gravenstone: IIRC once upon a time in Illinois an assignation of that sort was known as “Romeo & Joliet“.

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    his resident nazi surely knows exactly what that meant.

    Trump is his resident Nazi. One thing he has put in the work to remember are racist insults. Nor is he subtle about them, because the only people he cares about – the media – shrug and go ‘Maybe that was racially charged?’

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: I was thinking of Stephen Miller, but yeah, Trump, too, obviously.

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    Gex says:

    @Mnemosyne: I think we’re going to have to see it consistently hurt someone’s career before they are going to actually account for the risk. Right now most get away with it just fine, every now and again the culture takes a sacrifice in the name of holding someone accountable.

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    JGabriel says:


    On somewhat of a tangent, who was your favorite West Wing character? I love me some Toby!

    Donnatella “Donna” Moss

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