Judge in Roger Stone case says she's considering gag order (from @AP) https://t.co/ms2MJzzxd3
— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) February 1, 2019
… In a court filing Thursday, prosecutors said the FBI seized physical devices from his home, apartment and office. They said multiple hard drives containing several terabytes of information have been recovered, including bank and financial records and the contents of numerous phones and computers…
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Speaking of which…
As they sift through his terabytes, will we ever find out about all the dirty trick operations Roger Stone was behind that are incidental to the matter at hand? The mind boggles.
— Schooley (@Rschooley) February 1, 2019
There's really so many possibilities when you look back at his press hungry history. https://t.co/6FoLc5gErb
— Schooley (@Rschooley) February 1, 2019
The question is has Stephen Miller’s back gotten its Trump head tattoo yet?
— Schooley (@Rschooley) February 1, 2019
Keith P.
Not an insignificant chance that Roger Stone makes an appearance on the court steps in a ball-gag and full leather BDM outfit. We are really going to go ape shit when photos of Roger Stone’s wardrobe start getting submitted as evidence.
NotMax
Those reports citing ‘X’bytes of data are always misleading. Does not account for duplicate files, backups, partial files, leftover scraps and detritus from whatever the operating system is. All of which conceivably could represent as much as 50% of what’s on the drives.
opiejeanne
Someone mentioned on an earlier thread that Stone appeared at a Republican fundraiser. I can’t wrap my head around the mindset that would think this is a good thing.
NotMax
@Keith P.
He did let one solid truth slip out during his wardrobe inventory yesterday.
“Nobody wants to get into it but I am wearing underwear.”
opiejeanne
@NotMax: EWWWW!!!!
Villago Delenda Est
Please gag Stone by placing his head on a pike.
NotMax
@opiejeanne
His words, not mine.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Villago Delenda Est: Well I’m gagging now.
Suzanne
@NotMax:
OH FOR FUCK’S SAKE.
Mary G
@Keith P.: I suspect there will be things much more horrifying than Manafort’s
ugly $30,000 ostrich jacket, so I’m not sure I want to know what’s in Roger’s closet.
Obvious Russian Troll
@NotMax: On the one hand you’re right–it’s not difficult to accumulate terabytes worth of data these days.
On the other hand, incriminating data doesn’t necessarily use up a lot of capacity.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Just clicked on MSNBC and they have Kayleigh McInenny (sp? looney trump fox-blonde) on with Jonathan Alter. Alter should be offended.
Villago Delenda Est
@Mary G: Everything, Katie.
germy
Roger Stone hiding in ‘undisclosed location’ because he’s worried about getting ‘Jack Rubyed’: documentary filmmaker
(rawstory headline)
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/02/roger-stone-hiding-undisclosed-location-hes-worried-getting-jack-rubyed-documentary-filmmaker/
Villago Delenda Est
@germy: Roger Stone has been poisoned by the deep state numerous times. He’ll survive this.
Redshift
This was my fave recent take on the Nixon tattoo.
Miss Bianca
@germy: It’s time for the Roger Stone Comedy Hour! “Ooh, Jack, you’re killin’ me!”
Redshift
@Obvious Russian Troll: Yes, as I heard it reported, the reason for mentioning they had terabytes of data was to establish that it was a complex case that justified taking more time to find to the incriminating bits, not that there was necessarily a massive amount of incriminating stuff.
sukabi
@Redshift: link didn’t work for me, sent me to a redirect page with a link, then to a page with a MS loading error
Mary G
WaPo says Northam doesn’t want to resign because now he thinks the photo is not of him?
Sorry, don’t believe you.
sukabi
@Redshift: What I don’t get is why these mooks didn’t burn EVERYTHING 2 years ago. I’m glad they didn’t, but damn.
Martin
@Mary G: The only way that can work is if that klan hood doesn’t look like your klan hood. That doesn’t make the situation better.
Suzanne
@Mary G: The dude apparently thinks that “That’s not me, I just CHOSE that photo for my yearbook page!” is a fucking defense?
Mind: BLOWN.
Immanentize
@sukabi: Nazis keep meticulous records of their successes.
sukabi
@Mary G: THAT photo might not be him, but he knows damned well that he’s in some photos exactly like that, or he wouldn’t have apologized in the first place.
kindness
One thing that has bothered me during Trump’s rampage through our national fabric is his ability to tear up a treaty that frequently took more than one administration to negotiate and then to ratify. And that is my question: If it takes the US Senate to vote to ratify a treaty why doesn’t it take a vote of the Senate to walk away from a treaty? It should.
Immanentize
@Martin:
Ha -+ great defense! “I was a Titan in the Klan, I would never wear just a regular robe and cap!”
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Mary G:
He said yesterday it was him. This is sounding like a breakdown
Martin
@sukabi: Because that’s not how this works. Your power is derived over what you can extort out of others, which requires holding the evidence. It’s clear that relationship between Trump and Pecker worked this way – Pecker got stories out of Trump in exchange for keeping the really damaging stuff in a safe. It’s almost a certainty that the Putin/Trump relationship works the same way.
Nobody has burned Stone because he’s holding all of the dirt. It’s all a big game of chicken.
B.B.A.
@Mary G: Could someone in the Richmond coroner’s office please pronounce Northam dead? That seems like the least embarrassing way out of this.
Mary G
@Mary G: But wait! There’s more in the same article:
Dorothy A. Winsor
I don’t understand Northam’s claim. He’s “not sure” if he posed in blackface or a klan hood? How is that something anyone could be unsure about?
Fair Economist
@germy: If somebody offs Stone they would probably be working for the Russians. Does Stone know something about the Kennedy assassination we don’t?
JPL
@Mary G: Then why put a racist photo on his page..
West of the Rockies
@Mary G:
Let’s just say that he has an extensive collection of neoprene and leather.
Martin
@Dorothy A. Winsor: As I noted yesterday, I’ve baked hundreds of pies. It’s unlikely I could accurately identify any given one of them.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Martin: It sounds like you need a pie filter. :-)
Redshift
@sukabi: It’s cartoon by Daryl Cagle; I went to his site directly and it says they’re having a denial of service attack! It’ll probably work some time later.
Martin
@Fair Economist: FWIW, it appears everyone in Stone’s circle is working with the Russians, so that may not be the most clarifying hypothesis.
PsiFighter37
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Denial is a helluva drug.
Methinks he’s going to be gone by the end of this weekend. I’m not sure what he thinks he will be able to accomplish over 3 years if nobody wants to work with him.
sukabi
@Martin: I get the blackmail as leverage and keeping / hiding that dirt, what I’m talking about are the paper / electronic trails these dumbasses are leaving.
Fair Economist
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Offhand the guy in blackface does not look like him. How could you apply facial recognition to the guy in the hood, though?
@Dorothy A. Winsor: And how could he have known it was himself if he could not remember? Why is the pic on his page anyway? Don’t people pick their own page photos?
West of the Rockies
@Suzanne:
I think we forget how absolutely alright it was in the 80s to be overtly racist and misogynistic. Some of those John Hughes movies now are appalling. Back then (horribly enough), meh. It was “edgy”, clever, “just a joke, man”.
trollhattan
@germy:
Did Roger just confess to having committed an assassination?
sukabi
@Redshift: ok, thanks for letting me know.?
JPL
@Immanentize: Just wait until he says that he searched his closet and those pants are not his.
Litlebritdifrnt
Watching Six Nations Rugby right now England v. Ireland, in Ireland, (who are the favourites). England are trouncing Ireland 32 to 20 right now. Very nail biting. It’s in to overtime. Eng-er-land, Eng-er-land.
Immanentize
@kindness:
I have an answer and it’s rather complex — The punch line is that issue has not yet been resolved.
Step into my waybsack machine — Jimmy Carter wanted to unilaterally abrogate the US treaty with “China” that recognized Chiang Kai Skek’s government in exile as the only true China. Which had, of course been defeated by Mao and his revolution and occupied only Taiwan. By 1977, it was obvious that China was not going back to Shek. The problem was our treaty included a mutual defense provision which required us to fully protect Taiwan no matter what….
So Carter wanted to end that treaty. Senator Goldwater (yes then still in the Senate) sued saying that a treaty approved by the Senate cannot be abrogated by the President alone….
Off to the Supreme Court. there were two opinions that mattered — Rhenquist felt that it was a political question and could not be reviewed. Powell felt that it could be reviewed but that there was no “case or controversy” required by the Constitution because/until the Senate voted in a resolution to maintain the treaty.
Long story short? WTFK.
Goldwater v. Carter, 444 U.S. 996 (1979)
trollhattan
@Fair Economist:
Thread count?
lamh36
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
rAs some else said dude was asked to submit a photo to put in the yearbook for all eternity so represent his time as a medical student and THAT is what he submitted??. After yesterday apologizing not once but 2x…and saying it was him…the Governor now says (checks my notes) not sure if it was him and (check my notes one mo’gin) says he didn’t select the photo and a lot of photos were mixed up by yearbook folks??
So…the has been in the yearbook for 30+ years…and the gov…saw it low this many years and though “oh cool” ?? or as he’s claiming he didn’t select the pic and there were page mix ups…really is that the shit he want us to believe.
Oh yeah and reports also say he’s calling fellow classmates…i guess like “he dude, it’s Coonman…so I need your help with something…”
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/759595e79a13dcc88fb50aa5a3b1cdd6857b492a5106dedd460037278506e49a.gif
Immanentize
@Mary G: Coonman?
I guess we know which guy he is in the picture
Immanentize
@PsiFighter37: I agree. People will give him three days to completely defeat the implications of this picture. Which is fair, but I suspect undoable.
Litlebritdifrnt
*sings very loudly* SWING LOW SWEET CHARIOT! COMING FOR TO CARRY ME HOME!
Redshift
@kindness: It could be written into the enabling legislation; that’s why this “withdrawal” is a declaration that doesn’t take effect for six months. It’s one of the many things that was never done because we assumed there American people would never be dumb enough to elect an idiot nutbar as president.
Immanentize
@lamh36:
Everyone looks at their own page/pictures in a yearbook.
Meanwhile, what institutions give graduating folks entire pages? Fancy ones, I guess. Of course he had editorial power over that page.
trollhattan
Here’s a thing that happened.
Redshift
@Immanentize: Interesting. I didn’t know that.
noncarborundum
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
He liked beer.
Immanentize
I am wanting your trust on what I am about to say —
I had the opportunity to depose a bunch of Alabama Klansmen at about the same time Northam was getting his humor recognized more and more every day.
I have more sympathy for your backwoods Klansman of the ’80s than I do for some privileged white kids playing at slavery and violence. I can explain further, but it’s hard to capture how many Klansman were racists yes, but were not true believers or violent but were like club members of stupid.
Emerald
Dare we hope that the info on Stone’s hard drives will vindicate Al Franken? It’s been clear from the start that Franken was ratfucked, and that is Stone’s MO. (Also the reason I will not support Gillibrand, except if she’s the actual nominee. I will vote for a any Democrat over any Republican.)
Martin
@sukabi: These guys believe in 100% offense. Stones mottos: “Attack, attack, attack—never defend” and “Admit nothing, deny everything, launch counterattack.” They don’t believe in defense. They don’t believe in getting caught. If the law ever focuses in on them, they attack the law – they oust the head of the FBI, the Atty General. They’re the bad guys, it’s what they do.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Immanentize: When I think of it, the whole yearbook thing surprises me. I think of them as undergrad stuff, and I think of law school as a form of grad school. No grad program I was ever associated with had a yearbook. Do law schools usually have one? How big would his class have been anyway?
randy khan
@Mary G:
This is getting strange. But even if it’s not him, the decision to have the photo on his page is a problem.
Immanentize
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
We certainly didn’t have a yearbook, but I went to Northeastern Law — the Montessori of Law Scools. But people I know who went to medical schools like Northam never showed me any yearbook.
randy khan
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
Med school. He’s a pediatrician.
lamh36
It’s just a yearbook…but let’s have a broader discussion…
There has been any number of scholarly articles detailing how racial in many different arenas of medical practices lead to pain, misdiagnosis and even death of Black bodies.
I imagine the kind of medical school that would publish said photos in their yearbook and let it stand for decades…might just not be the place I want my doctor to be educated
patrick II
@Villago Delenda Est:
Hello the special prosecutor Democrats certainly want to keep him alive so he’s afraid of trump, the Russians, or the Republicans? Which says something about his guilty knowledge.
Keith P.
@Mary G: He’s got over 1000 handmade suits. Those things run several thousand dollars apiece, so people are going to at least be asking how a guy who needs a Kickstarter legal fundraising campaign can afford to have a million dollar wardrobe.
I would also guess (having sold shoes) that he’s got at least 20 pairs of handmade shoes, including exotics, running in the $500-$1000 range per pair, more for the exotics.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Immanentize: Oops. My mistake. Yeah, he’s a physician, not a lawyer. So do med schools usually have yearbooks? Anyone? Bueller? Anyone?
Immanentize
@lamh36:
This is a point I tried to suggest earlier — and he was a pediatrician!
LC
Everyone keeps saying the government said they seized terabytes of data in the raid, but that doesn’t seem to be what the government said in their motion.
Look at page 2, the bit about the data seems to say they are prepared to submit all the stuff required of discovery.
Then it says there is also the stuff they just got from Roger.
So I read that as they had terabytes of stuff on this case BEFORE they went and raided Roger’s home and don’t even know what Stone has on his devices yet.
Sebastian
@Mary G:
I can’t even
opiejeanne
@NotMax: I know it was his words, it’s just that the remark made me think of the other option. Again I say: EEWWWWWW!!!!
opiejeanne
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: When I say McInenny it sounds like Mac A Ninny.
Villago Delenda Est
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: He’s going Kitzhaber on us. Idiot.
Dorothy A. Winsor
Northam is apparently about to make a statement.
opiejeanne
@Martin: I know my pies. My signature is the vent. I don’t know if I could identify the contents unless the photo is of a slice or the filling leaked out.
Another Scott
@Dorothy A. Winsor: 2:30 PM ET according to BlueVirginia.
Cheers,
Scott.
Waldo
First thought: Knowing he could be arrested at any moment, Stone would have to be really stupid and arrogant not to have destroyed all incriminating evidence.
Second thought: Roger’s gonna die in prison.
Aleta
1/2
Here’s what a Klan costume represented in the DC-VA-MD area in 1984, and throughout the US in the 80s.
From Jacobian mag in 2017 Fighting the Klan in Reagan’s America
From WaPo, 1980 A Resurgence by the Klan
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1980/06/02/a-resurgence-by-the-klan/31ef5d25-716c-486b-9274-8a2d4a58a7e3/?utm_term=.71a4bd63661c
From Jacobin Mag, same link as above
From Fighting the Klan in Reagan’s America: The KKK was on the march in the 1980s. What strategies worked to stem their rise? (link is at the top)
Mike in NC
Stone is an American Rasputin? Makes sense. His decades of dirty deals ought to lock him up for life.
Emma
@Suzanne: NOT to defend him — I agree he must go — but people don’t choose where their photos appear in the yearbook.
Ella in New Mexico
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Yeah, hubby and I just caught that. She was full on ridiculous and just running that pie hole instead of actually engaging in any dialogue..
Guessing she’s used to getting away with just saying “MAGA” over and over again in a low cut tank top on Fox to earn her keep and this segment was above her pay grade.
Martin
@opiejeanne: I know my pies pretty well, but I also go through periods where I’m making them fairly frantically, and they get a little dodgy. Sometimes my vents get made like I’m re-enacting a scene from psycho.
Aleta
2/2
A Klan costume and that photo meant something in 1984.
Here’s what was happening in 1982 and 1985, in the area where VMI is located in Lexington, VA—which is near Charlottesville, btw.
(From a very quick google, so just a few.)
November 1982 Washington DC, an Anti-Klan Protest (wiki)
August 1985, the Klan marched in SW Virginia, in Bristol
From WaPo in Nov 1985, Klan Gains Higher Visibility in Md.
Dec 1985, the Klan marched in Kingsport, TN
(They had called for a rally but instead walked a block and ended. There were not 70 marchers.)
NotMax
@lamh36
Anecdotal evidence but evidence nonetheless. Was editor-in-chief of my high school yearbook (was the only year the yearbook was put together without any faculty advisor or assistance, btw) and can state without any doubt whatsoever that every photo, every caption, every headline, was not double checked but triple checked by the entire yearbook editorial staff before final approval for publication.
Bill Arnold
@LC:
Yeah, I read that as deliberate obfuscation about what exactly they have, possibly to keep certain (hypothetical) people nervous, e.g. to increase the chance that they make a mistake. The actual forensics on Stone’s recently seized devices will potentially be quite time consuming if e.g. well-implemented and correctly-used encryption is involved. And might be unbreakable with current tech. Though Stone is not known for comsec discipline. ( :-) )
Since open thread, this was fun. Rambling piece that, also has stories about the diets of Japanese internees.
When the U.S. Interned Italians in Montana, They Rioted Over Olive Oil – For the “enemy aliens” held at Fort Missoula, suet was an insult. (Reina Gattuso February 01, 2019)
NotMax
@NotMax
(returns from bookshelf)
Applies to all 208 pages.
HalfAssedHomesteader
@Mary G: He’s not really helping is case either. “Oh, I thought that was me in that klan outfit but I guess I was thinking of a different one.”
Bill Arnold
@Villago Delenda Est:
He surely has enemies outside the deep state. Lots of enemies. Racks of them. :-)
(Seriously, he acts like he is a loose end for a lot of people, and he probably is.)
Immanentize
@Aleta:
And I was there…
But now I’m losing my edge….
ET
I have to wonder if Stone realizes the amount/magnitude of what Muller has. Stone knows he has played the dirty tricks game. He only didn’t caught because no one bothered to go after him seriously either alone or as something larger like with the Muller investigation. That he has never gotten caught has led to him likely thinking he is somehow immune, or that they will never find out all of what he did – that old white male immunity. That all of his communications via email and other stuck around to be hoovered up is likely a surprise. A lot of people – lots of them white and male (looking at you Northam) don’t get that their pasts can and do sometimes catch up to them .
Groucho48
IMO…terabytes of data means lots of porn.
Matt McIrvin
@Emerald: Franken had something like 8 accusers. One of them, unfortunately the most prominent one, was associated with a Stone ratfucking operation. But it brought all these others out of the woodwork. Gillibrand said she felt she had to come forward after the number got up to about 6, and a lot of other members of Congress echoed the call. She was never the mastermind of anything.
It’s a lot like the Northam situation in some ways. Franken may or may not have been treated fairly, but it’s not about treating him fairly, it’s about whether the situation got to the point where his remaining in office was a liability to good government and to the party. This isn’t a criminal case where you need proof beyond a reasonable doubt.