Repub Devolution Open Thread: The Loon’s A Harsh Mistress

Late to this, but boy howdy. Under previous administrations — even Ronald Reagan’s! I was paying attention then! — a meeting like this would’ve drawn endless front-page speculation / outrage. But given the Repub’s current Oval Office Squatter? *crickets*:

President Trump met last week with a delegation of hard-right activists led by Ginni Thomas, the wife of Justice Clarence Thomas, listening quietly as members of the group denounced transgender people and women serving in the military, according to three people with direct knowledge of the events.

For 60 minutes Mr. Trump sat, saying little but appearing taken aback, the three people said, as the group also accused White House aides of blocking Trump supporters from getting jobs in the administration.

It is unusual for the spouse of a sitting Supreme Court justice to have such a meeting with a president, and some close to Mr. Trump said it was inappropriate for Ms. Thomas to have asked to meet with the head of a different branch of government…

A central focus for Ms. Hair and Ms. Thomas was administration appointments that they wanted made and that they accused the president’s aides of blocking. People familiar with the situation indicated that the people Ms. Hair and Ms. Thomas wanted hired were rejected for a range of reasons, and in at least one case someone was offered a job and declined it because the position was not considered senior enough. Another complaint was that Ms. Thomas had not actually shared the full list of people to be hired, said those familiar with the meeting.

Others attending included Frank Gaffney, the founder of the Center for Security Policy who has advocated curtailing immigration and has repeatedly denounced Muslims, and Rosemary Jenks, who works for the anti-immigration group NumbersUSA, according to the people familiar with the events…

One attendee criticized Republican congressional leaders, saying they should be “tarred and feathered,” a person briefed on the meeting said. Mr. Trump defended the Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, and the House minority leader, Kevin McCarthy of California, saying that they had held strong for nearly five weeks of a shutdown, and that it was not clear what else the attendees thought they could be doing.

Ms. Thomas, who was said to have opened the meeting by informing the assembled White House staff members that she feared being open because she did not trust the people there, has long been more conservative than her husband, and has often provoked controversy.

In 2011 she formed a government affairs firm called Liberty Consulting, which drew criticism for boasting on its website that Ms. Thomas would use her “experience and connections” to help clients…

Flashback to October 2010, when Mrs. Thomas left a voicemail for Anita Hill, and mystified Dahlia Lithwick:

The only question left to ponder, at the bizarre news of Ginni Thomas’ “olive branch” phone call to Anita Hill, seeking an apology for “what you did with my husband” (not to but with—never mind) is: Why?…

My friend Nancy Goldstein wonders if this was meant to distract from a New York Times story that ran the same day as the fateful phone call, questioning Ginni Thomas’$2 501(c)(4) organization, Liberty Central. Perhaps, although it’s difficult to imagine Ms. Thomas delivering a blistering Tea Party speech on a Friday night, opening her New York Times the next morning, and thinking, “Hey, maybe I’ll call Anita Hill right this instant.” Moreover, as Goldstein notes, if this was intended to distract from the conflicts around Liberty Central, it didn’t work, since Hill sat on the message for several days…

The cynic in me believes that there is no gender/race dispute the Tea Party is not willing to exploit for recruitment purposes, that reminding us all of the ugliest moment in American identity politics is no accident just two weeks before an election. The realist in me wonders whether Mrs. Thomas possibly believed this would stay private. She’s a brilliant tactician and a superb communicator: She couldn’t possibly have expected that ham-fisted attempt at reconciliation would have gone unreported.

But the depressive in me suspects that Ginni Thomas simply doesn’t care what any of us think of her attempt to reach out and touch someone she hates. Why would she? She and her husband long ago passed a point at which they worry about how they will be portrayed in the mainstream press. They stopped reading it years ago. They both live in a world in which the facts of Hill v. Thomas don’t matter. There are no facts. There are just “our” beliefs and “their” beliefs, just as there is “our” media and “theirs” and “our” Civil War history and “theirs.” To criticize either Thomas has always been to join in the imagined conspiracy against them.

Why did Ginni Thomas make her strange call to Anita Hill? She may never explain it fully. But those of us in the media who are pondering what she may have been trying to tell us should probably stop. This episode had nothing to do with us, and nothing to do with Hill, either. We are not in the Thomases’ bubble, and we never will be.

Why would Ginni Thomas try to relitigate an issue that ripped this country apart in the fall of 1991, when her husband has life tenure at the Supreme Court and she has a merry band of Tea Partiers (and even merrier anonymous donors) hanging on her every word? What possible benefit could there be to leaving a cheerfully passive-aggressive 7:30 a.m. voice mail for a woman you have never even met?

If Thomas is “a brilliant tactician and a superb communicator”, then the message I read from this newest meeting is: We own the White House, because we own Donald Trump. And therefore we will do our best to keep him in the WH — as long as he pays us due attention.

I wonder where Mike Pence was while this was happening? Seems like his sort of people…






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    Luthe says:

    But Bill Clinton met with the Attorney General on a plane!

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    lollipopguild says:

    Nice reference to Robert Heinlein.

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    smintheus says:

    Ms. Thomas, who was said to have opened the meeting by informing the assembled White House staff members that she feared being open because she did not trust the people there…

    The paranoid style of politics never goes out of style in the GOP.

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    Brickley Paiste says:

    I love Ginni’s scarf fashioned from Wonderbread wrappers.

    So thrifty. So chic.

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    Chyron HR says:

    Ginni “Outlaw my marriage!” Thomas

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    JPL says:

    @smintheus: Well she was correct about that, but nothing else.

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    Parfigliano says:

    These people are shit.

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    Mike in NC says:

    So after this deranged meeting wrapped up, Fat Bastard was contemplating banning all women, non-whites, and non-straight people from ever serving in the military. Stephen Miller is working hard on the executive order right now. How will the media react?

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    Plato says:

    @Parfigliano:

    They are privileged and yet shit.

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    lee says:

    I support the GOP completely embracing the crazy. Watching the implosion of a political party (fingers crossed) is certainly entertaining and something I never would have guessed I would be able to witness.

    I’ve got a friend who is a former Republican, he is absolutely convinced that the GOP will no longer be a national party within a decade.

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    smintheus says:

    @JPL: It’s a permanent feature of the modern GOP. If anybody associated with the Republican Party had been trustworthy 30 years ago, her husband wouldn’t have been appointed to SCOTUS.

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    The squirrels in his head issue executive orders based on the newest, loudest, craziest thing he heard that manages to crowd out previous crazy stuff. So I assume he will immediately issue orders hiring and firing the people they want hired and fired.

    some close to Mr. Trump said it was inappropriate for Ms. Thomas to have asked to meet with the head of a different branch of government…

    Not sure I understand this. Is this a reference to that quaint old “co-equal branches of government” thing? I thought we don’t do that anymore. Obama was a constitutional scholar, so under the Do-The-Opposite-Of-Obama policy, all administration policies are required to be anti-constitutional.

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    Mikeindublin says:

    Next Orly Taitz will be Trumps guest of honor at the SOTU and the press won’t bat an eye.

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    LuciaMia says:

    one woman argued that women should not serve in the military because they had less muscle mass and lung capacity than men did,

    Didn’t know the military was the same as Wrestlemania.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    Ms. Thomas, who was said to have opened the meeting by informing the assembled White House staff members that she feared being open because she did not trust the people there

    Wow, she’s been taking lessons from my mother on how to fail before starting negotiations. Even Trump – really, even Trump…is not that stupid.

    I wonder where Mike Pence was while this was happening?

    Elsewhere. Even Dense Pence knew this would be a catastrophe.

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    Emma says:

    OK, folks. How do I communicate with our site designers? Until literally last night I was one of the lucky ones for whom the site worked just fine. Now it’s a mess. To scroll down I have to literally grab the slider and pull; clicking on the arrows doesn’t work. When I do scroll I am getting black areas the cover some of the text; sometimes things freeze and then the site seems to “blink” and the text reappears. I am using Firefox. It does not (seem) to happen in IE but, dang it, I have all my bookmarks in Firefox and I prefer to open multiple tabs, not multiple browsers!

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    trollhattan says:

    Can somebody tell me how to identify which are the Orks?

    Fictional dystopian novels have been rendered redundant. You’re soaking in it.

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    lee says:

    @Emma: Try clearing your browser cache. It sounds like you might have a corrupt CSS file.

    https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-clear-firefox-cache

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    Brachiator says:

    Great thread title!

    Thomas, et al. What a useless bunch a dopes these people are.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Mikeindublin:
    I’m okay with her on the stipulation she’s there to do dentistry on the president*. IIRC that’s one of her claimed professions and perhaps she’s as good with the dentist as Trump is with the deal.

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    Spanky says:

    @smintheus: Well, to be fair, it’s not paranoia if they really are out to get you.

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    Citizen Alan says:

    I will never get over the fact that Bush v. Gore should never have even happened. This vapid cow who married Long Dong Thomas was working for Bush during the recount. If Long Dong had possessed even a shred of character, he’d have recused himself, and with a 4-4 split, the lower court opinion that was favorable to Gore would have been left undisturbed.

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    Raven says:

    ” Sen. Lindsey Graham, a close ally of the President, told CNN that he spoke with Trump at dinner Monday night about “what would a good deal look like; as lawmakers attempt to negotiate an agreement to stave off another government shutdown — and floated the possibility that raising the debt limit could be part of the negotiation.

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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes says:

    Fucking Connie Hair. Even George W Bush never met with Connie Hair.

    Connie Hair was an early FReeper and desperate to be a player in GOP circles. Her pre-politics claim to fame was an appearance in a low budget “women in prison” softcore lez film, where her line to a new inmate about to be raped was “Relax. Enjoy.” It was being passed around to discredit her.

    Back in my semi-involved, semi-connected conservative days, a number of us were treated to a viewing of this scene by Bob Johnson of Free Republic Network fame. At the time, he was playing house with Liz Sheld, who has also drifted from conservagig to conservagig. Bob had some incidental involvement with Talon News (Jeff Gannon’s outfit) as I recall.

    Come to think of it, I also met and spoke with Ingraham at that event, as well as some Schiavo activists.

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    Kay says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    She’s trying to drive a wedge between Trump and the people he hires, and then exploit that. She wants him to blame his current hires for his unpopularity and then hire her people.

    You know he’s screaming at all his low quality employees and blaming them- she’ll tell him he’s poorly served and needs her nutjobs to replace his nutjobs. Maybe the far Right genuinely believe this- that it isn’t pure wingnutty enough, hence the increasing flop sweat.

    The thing is Trump will actually have no respect for the Ginny Thomas wing, because he likes people he considers “players”, you know, savvy sophisticates like him :)

    He probably rejects the Thomas wing on appearance alone. Too frumpy.

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    The Dangerman says:

    @Parfigliano:

    These people are shit.

    Shit is offended; it wants an apology.

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    MattF says:

    Defenestrating through the Overton Window.

    And, btw, we should not forget that Clarence Thomas was nominated by that celebrated, good, sweet, gentle, noble patriarch of the Bush family, GHWB, as the successor to Thurgood Marshall.

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    Kay says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    Trump IS poorly served. That’s the upside to his low quality hires. They can’t even represent him in a way that is not embarrassing and bungling. I suppose one would have to be quite talented to make him look good, but they are not up to the task.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    I’ve always assumed Ginni Thomas drunk-dialed Anita Hill. I mean, come on — Thomas calls Hill’s office at 7:30 AM, 17 years after the hearings, to tell her to apologize? She’d been on an all-night bender. That’s the only plausible explanation.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    She’s trying to drive a wedge between Trump and the people he hires, and then exploit that. She wants him to blame his current hires for his unpopularity and then hire her people.

    You know he’s screaming at all his low quality employees and blaming them- she’ll tell him he’s poorly served and needs her nutjobs to replace his nutjobs. Maybe the far Right genuinely believe this- that it isn’t pure wingnutty enough, hence the increasing flop sweat.

    The thing is Trump will actually have no respect for the Ginny Thomas wing, because he likes people he considers “players”, you know, savvy sophisticates like him :)

    He probably rejects the Thomas wing on appearance alone. Too frumpy.

    @Kay: Agreed as to the aim by the Thomas handmaids brigade. As to his rejection, it’s much simpler – she’s in an interracial marriage. He’ll never be OK with that, and anyone she recommends will be locked the fuck out because of it.

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    eemom says:

    Disgusting drunken fascist whore. She is arguably even more vile than her husband, and how possible is that?

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    Brickley Paiste says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    My assumption, too.

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    trollhattan says:

    @eemom:
    The all have shovels and are keen on continuing to dig. That’s all I have and the scary bit is we don’t know how far they have before hitting bedrock. Could be a long way yet.

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    eemom says:

    @MattF:

    that celebrated, good, sweet, gentle, noble patriarch of the Bush family, GHWB

    Yeah, blessed be his moldering corpse.

    Oh wait — that sort of thing is frowned upon on this blog.

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    lollipopguild says:

    @trollhattan: It’s Orcs, they work for Sourman.

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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    That’s two large Franzia juice boxes worth of an evening…

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    dmsilev says:

    @LuciaMia: See also this:

    If combat means living in a ditch, females have biological problems staying in a ditch for thirty days because they get infections and they don’t have upper body strength. I mean, some do, but they’re relatively rare. On the other hand, men are basically little piglets, you drop them in the ditch, they roll around in it, doesn’t matter, you know. These things are very real. On the other hand, if combat means being on an Aegis-class cruiser managing the computer controls for twelve ships and their rockets, a female may be again dramatically better than a male who gets very, very frustrated sitting in a chair all the time because males are biologically driven to go out and hunt giraffes.

    Newt Gingrich, not all that many years ago.

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    Jeffro says:

    I get that Ginni Thomas is interesting, in a human-car-crash kind of way. I get that the AOC back-and-forth is interesting and possibly even for good reasons.

    However, the nation’s intelligence chiefs just came right out and said trumpov is lying/has it completely backwards about North Korea and Iran. Unanimously. North Korea is NOT disarming, and Iran is NOT a nuclear threat, contrary the CINC*s endless tweets and statements.

    I know we say this all the time, but if a Dem president were misleading the country on such important national security issues, on a regular and pre-meditated basis? Ones that might cause us to get into an unnecessary war? Yagottabekiddinme.

    Trumpublican enablers must pay for this. This isn’t just winking and nodding when the most immoral and irreligious president ever tweets about how glad he is that some states are adding bible-babble to their K-12 curricula. This is genuinely creating a clear and present danger to our country – citizens and soldiers both.

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    Doug R says:

    So if Clarence Thomas ends up with a belt around his neck, we’d never be sure if it was him or Ginny?

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    @Kay:

    She wants him to blame his current hires for his unpopularity and then hire her people.

    Yep. This is all courtier shit. Trump runs his administration like a weak, idiotic autocrat. He wants to make all the decisions, but knows jack shit about anything and is easily manipulated. As a result, the whole place is a nest of squabbling factions trying to get the king’s ear. With Kelly gone, I’m guessing Jarvanka are in charge, which is why the current administrative theme is ‘THIS is your plan?’

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    Woodrow/Asim says:

    @lee @Emma: Seconded. I also use Firefox/Windows 10, and the site’s loading and running fine for me; in fact I just restarted due to upgrading to latest Firefox this AM, without any issues reloading BJ.

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    oldster says:

    “Mr. Trump sat, saying little but appearing taken aback,”

    I do not believe that for one second.

    Trump got where he is by having enough animal cunning to spot crazy, and figure out how to encourage crazy, so as to monetize crazy. If the rubes are riled up, then there’s a buck to be made.

    So if he was sitting back watching, then I’m sure he was wondering, “what’s their applause line? How can I steal it? How can I work a crowd up into a slavering mass of idiots like this?”

    @eemom:
    Just speaking for myself, I’d like the slurs against women not to include slurs against sex-workers, and slurs that are too often turned against all women, as a group.

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    West of the Rockies says:

    @eemom:

    Can we send the pair of them to the stockade?

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    Kay says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    It’s heartening because despite the denials they know he’s tanking, even if he doesn’t. Now they’ll all start jostling for position to “save” his presidency :)

    The stabbed in the back theme is a whole genre on Trump Twitter. They went from “the establishment” not allowing him to succeed to “the deep state” thwarting him to everyone thwarting him. It’s amusing to watch. I think the neoconservatives see an opening too. It’s rudderless. Something or someone will fill the void.

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    @oldster:

    So if he was sitting back watching, then I’m sure he was wondering, “what’s their applause line? How can I steal it? How can I work a crowd up into a slavering mass of idiots like this?”

    Not a bad speculation. As stupid and senile as he is, those are established Trump motivations. My thought was that this was one of the few conversations not directly about himself that he was actually enjoying listening to. First, people were begging for his favor. Second, they’re vomiting up hate and bigotry. He loves both of these things.

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    trollhattan says:

    @dmsilev:
    Gingrich doubtless reflected on his time ditch-dwelling in combat zones around the globe before issuing that insightful commentary.

    Fake Tough Guys are my least favorite humans.

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    rikyrah says:

    😠😠😠😠

    CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) Tweeted:
    Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham urges President Trump to tie debt limit to border security funding

    https://t.co/jkkUDtzlXh https://t.co/si9Pbgovz5 https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1090303334844690432?s=17

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    The Midnight Lurker says:

    Others attending included Frank Gaffney, the founder of the Center for Security Policy who has advocated curtailing immigration and has repeatedly denounced Muslims, and Rosemary Jenks, who works for the anti-immigration group NumbersUSA, according to the people familiar with the events…

    All the usual fascists.

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    Kay says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Trump doesn’t have anything in common with his supporters outside racism, which is why his whole presidency is now centered around a wall that even he admits isn’t important. He doesn’t know these people! He doesn’t know anything about them. The religious Right in the midwest and south? He’s like “who are these poorly dressed people who aren’t rich or celebrities and why are they here?”

    Trump actually never did “meet and greets”. He did those big stupid rallies where he does all the talking.

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    chopper says:

    @dmsilev:

    newt, of course, is biologically driven to go out and hunt for new wives.

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    chopper says:

    @rikyrah:

    man, we called it. fuckers.

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    CZanne says:

    Update on my niece B in Georgia: Last I heard, B’s still hanging on. There’s a very small chance the sedation is throwing the basic life tests off, but it’s very small. Just… SUV vs ATV. T-bone. Ice. After dark. It’s bad. The gory details are a lot more like parabolic range calculations than car accident.

    And yet, I still hope. Gods I don’t believe in have been addressed.

    Anyone want to be plus one at a really awful funeral in Savannah? Because I’m going to need an internet friend who I don’t want to embarrass. No idea when, because… well.

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    chopper says:

    @CZanne:

    oy. well we’re all holding out hope too FWIW.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @smintheus: Thomas and Scalia and W’s 5 to 4 ‘win’–

    Thomas should have recused self because wife was working on W’s transition team

    Scalia should have also because 1 son worked in firm that argued W side in FL; 1 worked in firm that argued W sided before SCOTUS!

    Also decision was totally ‘off’ because it explicitly stated that decision did NOT set a precedent!

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    gbbalto says:

    @CZanne: My thoughts and hopes are with you and your niece.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham urges President Trump to tie debt limit to border security funding

    @rikyrah: Someone just out the motherfucker already so he’ll stop caving to blackmail.

    I might also add that Pelosi is only going to accept a clean debt ceiling, and they all know this, hence the phrase “border security funding”. Which they will probably get, but not that way.

    What they will never get is a wall. Ain’t gonna be no fuckin’ wall.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @Citizen Alan: AMEN! AMEN!

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: And third, yet another group of people he can string along, pretend to do business with, and then shaft at his convenience. What’s not to love, from a Trumpian perspective?

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @LuciaMia: One wonders how these idiots think our great grand mothers got by back in the day before washing machines, vacuums and microwave ovens that they think women are so weak and fragile. There are all kinds of diary accounts of 19thC soldiers and explorers commenting on what an awful but necessary task they found washing their clothes by hand.

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    Immanentize says:

    @eemom: At least Thomas generally keeps his mouth shut.

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    Ruckus says:

    @The Dangerman:
    Really, shit does serve a useful function in life, these people – none.

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    chopper says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    the debt ceiling isn’t an issue anyway, we can just mint a platinum coin!

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @CZanne: Good God. So sorry to hear this.

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    Brickley Paiste says:

    @CZanne:

    Well, that’s horrible. Terrible.

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    Immanentize says:

    @rikyrah: That will work out well.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Betty Cracker:
    That would explain a lot. And really every other explanation is worse for her.

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    Immanentize says:

    @chopper: I am curious what they think will happen?: “The Democrats will have to agree to the wall or we will destroy the nation and world economy! And Democrats are such goody-goodies that they would never allow that!” I don’t remember that happening with the shutdown.

    I wonder if Graham is getting out over his skis with his colleagues.

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    rikyrah says:

    @CZanne:

    My prayers continue to be with your family.

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    Ruckus says:

    When drumpf is the sane one in the room………

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    Since these idiots are pining for the 50s, though I would point this out – the 70s was went the modern appliances really enters the homes and the same thing happened to all my friends mothers, they ended up bored out of their skulls because eight hours of chores turned into an hour. So these women ether did what my mother did and get a job just for the stimulation or drugged themselves into oblivion on Valium . And these twits think that was a golden age.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @MattF: IIRC he set a ‘trap’ for dems. Nominate the least qualified black judge GOP could find and dare the dems to create the negative optics of voting against a black man.

    GOP played that well, even without the Anita Hill surprise.

    Now that I think about it, was it really a surprise? GOP had some very tricky scandal-ferrets then! Maybe they were behind it coming out. IIRC Hill did not come forward–someone informed committee staff she had a complaint vs Thomas. She was ‘dragged out’ to testify. But then committee refused to hear other women who actually asked to testify!

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    Immanentize says:

    @CZanne: Still sending B — and you — thoughts of healing and power.

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    Salty Sam says:

    @Citizen Alan:

    I will never get over the fact that Bush v. Gore should never have even happened.

    Confession time: I was once one of those “Not-a-dime’s-worth-of-difference-between-the-two-parties” guy, right up to when I pulled the lever for Gore (even with that attitude, I viscerally detested GWB as a “Country Club Cowboy”- that shyte about him being a “guy you’d wanna have a beer with” made me sick).

    The SCOTUS decision in Bush v. Gore was what woke me up.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @Betty Cracker: So she’s a re-incarnation of Martha Mitcheĺĺ?!

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @dmsilev: Bring back meme of men hunting giraffes!!

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    Immanentize says:

    @Ladyraxterinok: It wasn’t quite as dire as that — Thomas had been nominated to the Federal Court of Appeals a year or two earlier and was easily confirmed. It was tokenism, certainly, and his party loyalty made him rise fast indeed. But there were frankly a LOT less qualified black men (and even women) being bandied about as possible justices.

    For the best ever contemporary take-down of Thomas, check out Judge Leon Higginbotham’s open letter to Thomas. It is, as they say, a peach.

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    Aleta says:

    @CZanne: I’m so sorry. I’m thinking of B and you with all positive thoughts and lots of light. It’s important to not lose hope. It’s our instinct, a good one I think. Modern medicine is a miracle that happens.
    I lost my niece a month ago. It’s been a devastating hit for everyone in the fam
    If it would possibly help, I could send you, your blog, a few words her mother wrote.

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    Emma says:

    @lee: The first thing I did was that, but it didn’t work. (edited) I should say it works for a while and then it doesn’t again.

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    chopper says:

    @Immanentize:

    i have no idea. i assume the senate will want to craft a debt ceiling bill including wall funding and send it to the house to force the dems to vote it down. i assume also that pelosi will beat them to it with a clean bill, given that debt ceiling bills normally originate in the house, so mitch and trump will step on their dicks again.

    and of course the GOP will think ‘this time it’s going to work for sure’. because the definition of ‘republican’ is ‘doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results’.

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    SWMBO says:

    @Ladyraxterinok: Not quite. I liked Martha. She was salty and funny and drunk/drugged but still likable. The Nixon administration did everything they could think of to shut her up. Didn’t work.

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    Hope O'Hara says:

    @Doug R: I could live with the uncertainty.

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    Immanentize says:

    @chopper: They do not seem clever at all. Even if the Senate crafted a mixed wall and debt ceiling bill, what is the leverage over the House to pass it rather than ignore it utterly? Maybe someone is thinking grand bargain, which would include an end to debt ceiling questions and prevent shut downs.
    The debt ceiling “crisis” is entirely a problem of Congress’ own making. It is very easy to accomplish a fix by simply legislating that the allocation of funds in any budget or expenditure signed by the President resets the debt ceiling to that necessary for the expenditures.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @Immanentize: There’ll be no leverage. The House will pass a clean debt limit bill so Schumer will be free to filibuster any hostage taking demanding the clean bill be voted on.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Emma:

    I am one of the ones involved with the site rebuild. (The other two are WaterGirl and Bella Q, a hip hop artist from Idaho.) To make things clear, there is no work being done on the site right now, so any problems you are suddenly experiencing are likely due, as some others have said, to a problem with your browser or your setup. I myself am using Firefox on Windows 10 and have not experienced any problems.

    I sympathize with your situation, and I hope you get it fixed, but the site rebuild is an “off-site project” at this point (for lack of a better term) and there is no tweaking of the live site going on.

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    Johnnybuck says:

    @Immanentize: Looks like Lindsey didn’t learn a damn thing from the last shutdown.

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    Matt says:

    TBH, people like Thomas make a compelling argument that fundamentalists are inherently unfit for military service, being that they’ve willfully abandoned objective reality in favor of their own little fantasy world.

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    Barbara says:

    @CZanne: Gosh. Holding your hand in spirit.

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    Catherine D. says:

    @Citizen Alan: IIRC, Scalia’s son was also arguing before the court in Bush v Gore.

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    tybee says:

    @CZanne: if you need help, i’m in savannah.

    one of the front pagers can provide you with my email address.

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    tybee says:

    and a note for our new site developers concerning FYWP:

    0 day exploits in plugin for wordpress
    https://www.wordfence.com/blog/2019/01/wordpress-sites-compromised-via-zero-day-vulnerabilities-in-total-donations-plugin/

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    Seanly says:

    How to stupid are these journalists who don’t understand why crazy Ginni Thomas left that horrible voicemail for Anita Hill? Ginni probably confronted her husband – he denied Anita’s allegations, and she stupidly believed him. And years later, she still believes him, like for real believes him, and actually is convinced that Anita made it all up, is some crazy person, and needs to apologize.

    And hasn’t the ship long sailed on women in the military? Although I guess if we transform into the theocratic Republic of Gilead then you could maybe roll it back.

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    catclub says:

    @Matt:

    people like Thomas make a compelling argument that fundamentalists are inherently unfit for military service,being that they’ve willfully abandoned objective reality in favor of their own little fantasy world.

    not quite the argument that is made for Ultra-Orthodox not serving in Israel, but the result is the same.

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    laura says:

    @CZanne: I’ve got you and B in the pocket of my heart. Hang in there!
    We live in an age of miracles and wonder in medical care, and your B is fighting Fighting FIGHTING.

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    Kathleen says:

    @CZanne: Sending prayers for your niece, you and your family.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Immanentize: That was what happened with the first debt-ceiling fight during the Obama years.

    Not the second one, so much. People learn.

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    spudgun says:

    @CZanne: I missed the previous threads, so just want to tell you OT that I am sending positive thoughts and energy B’s way and your way – you must be so anxious, I know I would be.

    Stay strong—

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    Citizen Alan says:

    @Ladyraxterinok:

    Nominate the least qualified black judge GOP could find and dare the dems to create the negative optics of voting against a black man.

    To be fair, Thomas was not completely unqualified for the job, on paper at least, though there were literally hundreds of potential nominees more qualified than him and probably scores of AA judges more qualified if you didn’t mind appointing a liberal to the seat. What Thomas brought to the table was that he was the most qualified AA nominee whose entire life and career was characterized by a visceral hatred of civil rights for any minority person not named Clarence Thomas.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Steeplejack:

    Correction: my colleague’s current nym is “Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho.”

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