Schadenfreude Open Thread: Get Me Roger Stone

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    Plato says:

    Magats Are Getting Arrested.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Caught a mention that Chris Christie is thinking about primarying Trump. Sweet.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    This thread looks interesting — trying to document everything we’ve learned from Mueller.

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    Plato says:

    NEW: @realdonaldtrump’s biz has abruptly begun firing its longtime undocumented workers. 12 fired @ just 1 golf club

    — David Fahrenthold (@Fahrenthold) January 26, 2019

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    JPL says:

    @Mike in NC: hahahahahhahhhahahahhaha

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    Viva BrisVegas says:

    One downside of the shutdown/backdown is that Ann Coulter seems to have made herself relevant to the MSM once again.

    First she was the spur that prodded Trump into action, and now that he has disappointed her she seems to have found a niche as a critic of Trump from the lunatic right.

    There’s money in them there shills.

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    Yutsano says:

    Open thread: just got to the hotel. Will check the meet-up thread shortly.

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    Plato says:

    1. Democrats offered every day to open the government with a CR for 35 days. Trump said no.
    2. On Day 35, Trump said OK.
    3. On Day 36, @GOP tweets "thanks to President @realDonaldTrump's leadership, the government will reopen and federal workers will be paid"

    — Steven Dennis (@StevenTDennis) January 26, 2019

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    germy says:


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    Viva BrisVegas says:


    Could Trump be worried that the Democrats might propose serious punitive actions against the employers of undocumented workers?

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    debbie says:

    If I weren’t afraid that someone would take a bat to my car, that top image would make a great bumpersticker!

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    Will comment on Roger Stone in due course, but since it’s an Open Thread I shan’t apologise for the derailment:

    I spent several happy, absorbed hours today attending the annual Southeastern Stamp Exposition here in metro Atlanta. Per se, I’m not really a philatelist; but for 66+ years I’ve been obsessed with UK/GB/Empire/Commonwealth/Royal Occasion stuff, and “stuff” includes stamps, and I do like adding to my already-extensive collection.

    Dropped some serious coin on cool additions to my stamp collection today, but beyond that was the attraction of some of the amazing exhibits.

    There were 6-8 panels* devoted to early (late 1920s-early 1930s) stamps and First Day Covers and other philatelic ephemera featuring Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck.

    There were equally as many displays devoted to iconic African-American women celebrated on stamps:
    Harriet Tubman and Sojourner Truth, Shirley Chisholm and Barbara Jordan, Ella Fitzgerald and Marian Anderson, Dorothy Height and Rosa Parks, and many more. Truly inspiring.

    Given that I worked for the Government of Canada for a quarter-century and have all kinds of personal Canadian connections, I loved the extensive display of Canadian history in stamps. And I adored the “Astrophilately” exhibit of stamps and FDCs celebrating the upcoming 50-year anniversary of the Apollo XI moon landing.

    Super, if nerdy, afternoon. I had great fun.

    *Each panel measures roughly 36″x60″ (3’x5′), so we’re talking a LOT of displays!

    Hope my fellow OCDs (CDOs for those who insist upon alphabetical order) will appreciate.

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    debbie says:

    @Viva BrisVegas:

    Nah, I think he’s afraid Ann would slam him for it, now that she’s in a snit.

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    Mary G says:

    WaPo has a piece up on Nancy SMASH: (ETA) titled:‘Pelosi does not mess around’: Democratic speaker emerges triumphant from shutdown.

    Speaking to a group of opinion journalists Friday, Pelosi explained the strategy: “You only start with a feather until you get to the sledgehammer.”

    Grudging respect, but respect.

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    West of the Rockies says:

    Stone is a homely human. His hair looks sewn on. The glasses atop that beak look fitting for am 11-year-old wizard-in-training. Skin like aged horse hide. Blech.

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    Yutsano says:

    @West of the Rockies: He used to be some kind of a lifter. He hasn’t been for a while. It’s obvious and pretty sad.

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    germy says:

    @West of the Rockies: Have you seen his head in profile? He looks like zippy the pinhead.

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    plato says:

    @Mike in NC: If the fat fucker does that, I might respect him a lil bit.

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    Suzanne says:

    @germy: Adam (if memory serves) made a statement yesterday about Roger Stone being a steroid and HGH user, and said that it is evident from the shape(?) of his head. I confess I am not familiar enough with these drugs to pick up on that. But the dude is kind of weird-looking, for sure.

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    debbie says:

    Wrong thread, sorry.

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    debbie says:


    He’s supposed to be a body-builder, but those shoulders don’t look the part.

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    plato says:

    A disgraced former commander in the New York Police Department's gun licensing bureau claimed in a court filing that Trump, Michael Cohen, and Don Jr. were among celebrities and donors who got licenses without proper credentials.

    — Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) January 27, 2019

    Everything about these traitorous thugs reeks of corruption.

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    Baud says:

    More Assholes Going Away

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    mad citizen says:

    I’m sure others have commented on it (thought I haven’t seen it on BJ), but Stone pulling out the Nixon leaving the White House salute seems really weird as a piece of defiance. That’s your go-to dude?

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    trollhattan says:

    @West of the Rockies:
    “Rode hard and put away wet” Roger. Looks to be closing fast on 80.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Yutsano: And if there happen to be any jackals in El Calafate, Argentina, lets grab a glass of wine…

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    germy says:


    a steroid and HGH user, and said that it is evident from the shape(?) of his head.

    I missed that thread. It would seem more likely his mother used drugs while pregnant with him. I didn’t know his use of steroids could shrink his skull like that, but anything’s possible with these freaks I suppose.

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    MagdaInBlack says:

    @Another Scott:
    NOT gonna click that link. 😐

    I’ve just eaten dinner.

    ETA: he’s always been an odd looking critter. He seems to strive for cool and eccentric but just comes off as weird and vulgar. (And stupid)

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    Kelly says:

    Helen Kennedy has a point.
    ““Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the White House press secretary, however, noted that Mr. Kushner was still seen internally as one of the administration’s most successful negotiators.”

    A. Maybe this is the problem?
    B. Then again, she’s not wrong.”

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    West of the Rockies says:


    He has a fairly wide back, and obviously worked his chest, but neglected other areas. I don’t mean to appearance-shame the fellow, bit since he clearly places high value on looks, I guess it’s fair ground.

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    different-church-lady says:

    “…What Hillary Clinton Really Is.”

    Not under arrest?

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    debbie says:

    @Another Scott:

    Believe me, MMDV. The only bodybuilder I can think of is Arnold and his shoulders didn’t slope down like that. Neither do pro football players’.

    I am disappointed that the tat above isn’t the actual one.

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    HinTN says:


    Everything about these traitorous thugs reeks of corruption.

    Well, yes. What else is new?

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    West of the Rockies says:


    Perhaps he gets it from his parental units…

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    Mike in NC says:

    Hopefully Roger Stone will have ample time to lift weights in whatever federal prison he lands in.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @West of the Rockies: Yeah, but you should have seen him in his youth — he actually got better looking with age.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @mad citizen: That boy’s wiring ain’t up to code.

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    bbleh says:

    Lol no WAY — between Manafort and Stone, Manafort is totally bottom bunk!

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    rikyrah says:


    Mr. Weeks 🤴🏾 (@MrDane1982) Tweeted:
    Like if you’re a fuck Bernie Sanders voter

    Retweet if you really want to let people know you’re a fuck Bernie Sanders voter

    Comment with Fuck Bernie Sanders because you’ve said it multiple of times since 2015

    Quote Tweet just to confirm you’re a fuck Bernie Sanders voter.

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    HinTN says:

    @HinTN: That’s not the way I left it…

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    @mad citizen: Dude literally, no joke, has a giant Nixon tattoo on his back. Tells you everything you need to know about him.

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    Yutsano says:

    Re: any meet-up tonight: I’ll make this easy. I’ve been driving all day and I’m not in the best mood with humanity right now. Plus I can get pupusas delivered here. But tomorrow at 6pm/1800 I will be at the Indo Cafe for sure!

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Viva BrisVegas: Money is of course what the MSM is all about. They are more mercenary than the Condottieri of Renaissance Italy.

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    mad citizen says:

    @(((CassandraLeo))): I forgot about the Nixon (That creep could roll, Dude) tattoo. I learned here that the Nixon library or something similar dissociated themselves from Stone, pointing out he never worked for Nixon, he was 20 years old in 1972, etc.

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    LuciaMia says:

    But Roger Stone’s dog says hes innocent. Thats gotta count for something.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    A competitive bodybuilder (or a serious one, at least) pays attention to his proportions, and does extra work on body parts that need more muscle mass. The dilettantes tend to focus not on what looks good on the competition stage, but on what looks good at the beach. For instance, extra-wide shoulders can make you seem shorter.

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    Jay says:

    @mad citizen:

    The Nixon Foundation was trying to disavow Stone based on both his inductment and the release of his FOAI’d FBI Files.

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    Honus says:

    @different-church-lady: every time I hear “Citizens United” it pisses me off they don’t use the whole name and point out what a vulgar bunch of assholes that decision validated.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Nixon, we must never forget, led the Republican party in selling out to the Confederates, and this started the process that has ended up with the Republican party selling out to the Russians.

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    debbie says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    True. His over-concentration on his latissimus dorsi makes Stone look like a gnome.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @Mike in NC: IIRC the FNC decided there will be no GOP ptimaries/ caucuses because Trump is such a great and effective leader!_

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    @Amir Khalid: Also literally engaged in treason to “win” the election by sabotaging peace talks in Vietnam. First time as tragedy, second as farce. But I must say I don’t find any of the current events very funny.

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    @mad citizen: Mildly OT, did you see that clip Jeff Bridges posted the other night? I’m still puzzled what it’s heralding, though the date is the date of the Superb Owl, so I guess we’ll find out then. Hoping it’s more than a commercial spot at least.

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    Baud says:

    Why y’all talking smack about the last liberal president?

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    Immanentize says:

    I love it when you go all med school latin. 🔥

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    debbie says:


    Art school, babeee!

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    Amir Khalid says:

    I remember that Obama did face primary challengers in 2012, albeit no one who was taken seriously outside their own campaign.

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    Baud says:


    You excelled at the nudes, didn’t you?

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    Immanentize says:

    Ooo. Buff models! Just to let you know, I pulled my trapezius recently….

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    plato says:

    For those keeping track:

    Hillary Clinton Benghazi / Email Investigation: 6 years – 0 indictments – 0 convictions

    Trump/Russia Investigation: 15 months – 34 Indictments/Charges of people – 3 Indictments/Charges (Companies) – 5 guilty pleas – 4 convictions – 191 CHARGES!

    — Brian Krassenstein (@krassenstein) January 27, 2019

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    debbie says:




    I hate when that happens!

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    CliosFanBoy says:

    @West of the Rockies: he is even uglier on the inside/..

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    @plato: However, she was also running a private email server, which is the worst crime imaginable, and you have to understand, she was going to win. //

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    sdhays says:

    @plato: This even understates the difference. Hillary had how many Congressional investigations run by a hostile majority and no one was charged with perjury and no crimes were revealed. It all turned up absolutely nothing.

    The Russia investigation has had, to date, 2 investigations by Congressional Intelligence Committees, both run by sympathetic majorities (one farcically so), and several people are literally going to prison over lying to them.

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    plato says:

    @sdhays: Exactly.

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    JaySinWA says:

    @plato: Just proves the fix is in.//

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @Amir Khalid: In 60 election, JFK rep,IED to Correta Scott King; Nixon did not.

    He wanted to distance himself from GOP under Eisenhower supporting civil rights. He knew this distancing would help him in the South.

    He also knew/was told that the Southern Baptists were quite anti-Catholic and would very likely not vote for Catholic JFK. (SoBaptists were the dominant religious group in the so-called solid south)

    See JFK’s speech to the Houston Baptist Ministerial Alliance when he was in Houston during the campaign.

    I went with friends from college to a big democratic party get-together in downtown Houston. Rayburn and LBJ were there. Sadly, don’t remember if JFK was.

    We later went to a GOP rally in a big city park. We stood on the fringe of the crowd. We were muttering comments to one another and were told to go back to Russia where we belonged! Sigh–how the GOP has changed!

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    mad citizen says:

    @(((CassandraLeo))): I messed up the quote, it’s “That creep can roll, man”. Haven’t seen the movie in a while. I haven’t seen the clip but reading speculation it’s a Super Bown commercial.

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    trnc says:


    ““Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the White House press secretary, however, noted that Mr. Kushner was still seen internally as one of the administration’s most successful negotiators.”

    That’s like Franken saying “I’m probably Ted Cruz’s best friend in the senate, and I hate Ted Cruz.”

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @Plato: Only a matter of time before the GOP will be talking about “Trump sweeping victory in the shut down stopping the Democrats demand to build a wall of the southern boarder” It’s all Soviet Union from here on out.

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    Ken says:

    @Ladyraxterinok: How charmingly banana republic.

    Have they asked any of the many, many corporations that make huge amounts of money from the primaries what they think of this plan?

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    plato says:


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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @Amir Khalid: you mean “outside their own house “

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    KithKanan says:

    @Honus: They’re two separate groups. Roger Stone named his 2008 group in what I assume he considered a play on the name of the original (1988) Citizens United – the one that won the campaign finance supreme court case.

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    chris says:

    @plato: Didn’t Lindsay Graham say recently that he was going to open a new investigation? He’ll get her this time for sure!//

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    chris says:

    Damn! in moderation for email typo, halp!

    ETA: Never mind, comment vanished into the ether.

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    sdhays says:

    @Ladyraxterinok: I don’t think they’ve actually done that yet. The RNC Rules Committee just released a unanimous statement saying how manly and Presidential the ASSet is, and his minions are shuffling around installing loyalists in key positions to try to make sure he doesn’t have a contested primary. But there were a bunch of stories today about how Larry Hogan is considering running for the 2020 Republican Presidential nomination, so they haven’t succeeded shutting down the Republican Primary yet. And after this week, the Trump-skeptics will be emboldened.

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    chris says:

    @plato: Lindsay Graham (R- Delusional) will get her this time!!!//

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    chopper says:

    jesus, that pic makes him look like a 70 year old draco malfoy.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    By the way, what saith the law about a party not holding a presidential primary?

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    Bill Arnold says:


    But Roger Stone’s dog says hes innocent.

    Roger Stone’s dog can talk? Does Mueller know about this?

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @Ladyraxterinok: For the hostility of SoBaptists to Catholics–during the 56 dem nation convention, JFK was nominated for vic-president. OK’s senator Robert Kerr, a staunch SoBaptist, led the floor fight against him.

    Note– it was his company , Kerr-Magee(sp?) that was later involved in a big scandal about some wrong-doing the resulted in the death (possible murder) of a woman investigator. IIRC the story was made into a moderately successful movie

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    Redshift says:


    Also literally engaged in treason to “win” the election by sabotaging peace talks in Vietnam. First time as tragedy, second as farce.

    I wish Trump was only the second time.

    Nixon – sabotaging Vietnam peace talks
    Reagan – sabotaging Iran hostage negotiations
    Bush II – sabotaging Israel-Palestine negotiations
    Trump – sabotaging Russia sanctions, etc.

    At this point, conspiring with a foreign power to undermine US foreign policy in order to win an election is just a standard Republican campaign tactic, and if we had competent political reporters, they’d always be on the lookout for it. Blowing the whistle in real time could be a big scoop.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @Just One More Canuck: Didn’t Wilmer call for someone to primary Obama in 2012??

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    sdhays says:

    @Amir Khalid: I think parties are generally allowed to choose their nominees however they see fit; they aren’t government organs, after all. That’s why some states have primaries, some have caucuses, and some have both and ignore one or the other.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @Amir Khalid: Does constitution even mention parties? I think each party decides what it’s going to do. With each state’s input??

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    sdhays says:

    @Redshift: I wish these facts would get the proper airing in the media so that it became something “everyone knows”. It’s a crime how Nixon and Reagan get a pass, and I didn’t even know about W and Israel and the Palestinians.

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    Redshift says:

    @plato: If there was a Pulitzer category for right-wing disinformation, whoever came up with that “process crimes” talking point would be a shoo-in to win it…

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    chris says:

    @Redshift: Also Reagan/BushI and Iran Contra.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Redshift: Process crime: it’s like thought crime, except there’s no thought.

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    gbbalto says:

    @sdhays: Though I am anything but expert, I do live in MD. Hogan could be a contender. He is very popular in this blue state, more moderate than most Repubs these days, has made it clear that he doesn’t like Trump, can do bipartisan from working with a Dem-dominated Houses of Delegates and Senate. If he can actually beat out Trump, he will be a formidable opponent in my inexpert opinion. Thoughts of other MD jackals?

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    sdhays says:

    @gbbalto: I think it’s impossible for anyone approaching sane to win the nomination of that party.

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    gbbalto says:

    @sdhays: I expect that you are right. Most unlikely, but if Trump falls, maybe their best chance.

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    AThornton says:

    Each state has control over how its congressional delegation is determined, subject to the over-riding authority of the federal government, e.g., giving every citizen the right to vote in elections. The state may choose to not choose and let the political parties determine their candidate(s) or may step in and establish guidelines as California has done and to have the two top voter getters in an All-in-One primary continue to the general.

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    Quinerly says:

    @Ladyraxterinok: yes. And that’s why I knew Wilmer was a POS from the get go.

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    plato says:


    Forget it, Jake. it’s totus thug’s party now.

    Unless, he drops dead. Bet many in gop are praying just for that to happen.

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    Redshift says:

    @sdhays: Agreed. He could be a contender in the general election, but Republican primary voters aren’t interested in moderate. Or sane.

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    mad citizen says:

    @gbbalto: All due respect to Maryland, is this Hogan a 62 year-old white man? Check. He has no chance.

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    plato says:

    John McClane held those poor office workers hostage for weeks, but thanks to Hans Gruber’s leadership in getting thrown off a building, the hostages will be released.

    — A.A. Ron (@AaronTheH) January 26, 2019


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    plato says:

    Jerry Brown ‘telling it like it is’ to the moronic media minions.

    “Journalists, you love Trump's tweets. You love the news of the day. You love the leads that get the clicks. But the final click could be a nuclear accident." @JerryBrownGov at the 2019 #DoomsdayClock announcement. Read the Clock statement:

    — BulletinOfTheAtomic (@BulletinAtomic) January 27, 2019

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    plato says:

    A reminder that the people “bringing the drugs” into America’s communities are rich and white.— Samuel Sinyangwe (@samswey) January 26, 2019

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    Aleta says:

    @Quinerly: He did say he won’t run if anybody better than he is shows up. (At least that’s what he meant.) (A clever trick!)

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    Redshift says:

    @chris: Yeah, similar treason, but not quite the same thing, since it wasn’t done to undermine a current Democratic administration.

    It is still kind of stunning that every Republican candidate in my lifetime who successfully ran against a Democratic incumbent or while a Democratic administration was in office conspired with a foreign power during the election.

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    Gretchen says:

    Rick Wilson is a highly-paid political analyst, but he thinks someone must have tipped off CNN for them to have gotten the scoop. I’m an old lady in Kansas, and I knew somebody was going to be indicted yesterday, and the likelies were on a short list – Credico, Corsi, Stone, Trump Jr. Send out 4 camera crews to stake out these guys’ houses. I could have run that operation. Why is it a mystery to Rick Wilson?

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @plato: A quibble. They’re not journalists. They’re either stenographers or propagandists.

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    plato says:

    @Gretchen: Even if ‘someone from FBI’ tipped off cnn, so what? Doesn’t absolve the traitorous thug of ‘process crimes’.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Meh. A lot of right-leaning journalists and commentators are having a knee-jerk sympathetic reaction to Stone’s arrest, because they’ve all been in the same circles for a long time.

    There’s actually footage from the previous evening of a CNN producer (I think) talking about who they were going to stake out the next day based on the grand jury meeting on Thursday. The CNN crew that was sent to watch Stone’s house just happened to get lucky.

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    sm*t cl*de says:


    @West of the Rockies: he is even uglier on the inside/..

    There’s only one way to find out for sure.

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    Uncle Jeffy says:

    @Gretchen: Anything more complicated than “See Spot run” is a mystery to Rick Wilson.

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    a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio) says:

    @Gretchen: Because Wilson would have been tipping off a camera crew if a Democratic critic operative was about to get busted, back before he decided he hated Trump.

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    trnc says:


    “Journalists, you love Trump’s tweets. You love the news of the day. You love the leads that get the clicks. But the final click could be a nuclear accident.” @JerryBrownGov at the 2019 #DoomsdayClock announcement.

    True, although an “accident” isn’t our only worry.

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