Here’s the live feed for Roger Stone’s post making bail press conference:
While Stone bitches and moans about the FBI’s tactical raid for his arrest this morning, the reason the FBI did this is because Stone has posted pictures of himself with firearms on social media. Usually day at the shooting range type pictures, but that’s enough to get the tactical team deployed. Additionally, it was done this way for the element of surprise. Right now Federal investigators are going through his house with a fine tooth comb. A pre dawn arrest via raid is done to ensure that, in this case, Stone, was not able to destroy any evidence once he was asked to come in and surrender himself.
One another crime related note, at this time there is no word as to whether Stone will also be charged with a series of murders in White Chapel in 1888, as well as a series of murders in southern Manhattan, western Long Island, and northern New Jersey in 1889.
Open thread!
Yarrow
I enjoyed the booing and chants of “Lock him up!” from the crowd. Stone giving the Nixonian victory salutes with both hands just reminds people how far back his corruption goes.
JPL
Adam, Have you heard anything about the event in the Rose Garden today?
Freemark
Looks like I need to get a rotator cuff tear surgically repaired on my right (dominant) arm. Anyone have any advice?
Cheryl Rofer
Cheryl Rofer
OT, but don’t want to lose track of this –
Yarrow
Has Stone’s mugshot been released yet?
JPL
This morning the news was about Jared Kushner, and now it’s about Roger Stone. What will the lead story be tonight.
The Moar You Know
@Cheryl Rofer: Just keeping track of their investment and pretending they are relevant. They are not, not there. The Venezuelan military made it very clear yesterday that Maduro had their full backing, and that was the ballgame. The other guy, if he is smart, is boarding a private flight out of the country right about now. If he isn’t, well, I wouldn’t wish that ending on anyone.
Raven
He also said they were more than courteous just like Manafort,
Uncle Cosmo
IMHO you ought to call this an “undead feed.” Nothing “live” about that mofo, who I sincerely hope dies in prison – & whose blood-pump I devoutly hope some astute guard or attendant has the good sense to pound a wooden stake through when his seemingly-lifeless body is discovered.
Adam L Silverman
@JPL: I have my ticket right here. I’m having my dress trousers pressed, and will be live blog it.//
No, other than, apparently, the President is going to say something in the Rose Garden. It will probably look like this:
Mike in NC
Stone looks like the fucking Penguin in that ridiculous photo. Once he lands in prison I hope they carve off his Nixon tattoo with a rusty shiv. Happy indictment Friday, people!
germy
As has Gorka.
Betty Cracker
Is that noted Jersey Shore barfly “Judge Jeannine” with Stone in his 1960s Batman villain outfit?
Adam L Silverman
@Freemark: Is it a micro tear or a full tear. If it is the former, it’ll repair itself given time, rest, and ice. Then you can rehab it with some basic shoulder exercises. If it is a full tear, you’ll need to have it done.
Raven
Adam L Silverman
@Cheryl Rofer: Pretty much.
Cheryl Rofer
JPL
@Betty Cracker: CBS is saying he is gonna cave and agree to a 3 week extension.
or what Cheryl said.
Betty Cracker
@Raven: I’m willing to test that theory.
Adam L Silverman
@germy: I am more than aware of the Blue Footed Booby of Budapest’s activities.
TaMara (HFG)
@Adam L Silverman: Should I stock up on canned goods and pet food?
schrodingers_cat
@Raven: Challenge accepted.
Adam L Silverman
@Betty Cracker: No, that’s Stone’s wife.
Yarrow
@Cheryl Rofer: @JPL: First, heh. But also, we’ll see. If Fox News and Ann Coulter, etc. say he’s caving and he’s a wimp, I’m not sure he’ll go along with it.
OzarkHillbilly
@Freemark: If it turns out you also have a bicep tendon tear (as I did**) don’t have them fix it. There are 2 tendons, one is all you need, and if you get it fixed you are in for 6 months of rehab. You will have a Popeye muscle, and the bicep may be more prone to cramps (mine is) but those are small prices to pay for avoiding rehab
**one caveat: I don’t know that if that is true for both tendons, one may be more important than the other.
Dorothy A. Winsor
I wonder if Trump will then expect to do his SoTU in the House on Tuesday.
trollhattan
@JPL:
Clearly, there’s not enough day in my day.
Adam L Silverman
@Raven: I’m not sure he’s wrong. I’ve actually been pleasantly surprised we haven’t seen more violence since the President’s election. I fully expected his supporters, feeling empowered and motivated by the President’s own statements and those of his most prominent surrogates, would have been far more violent by now.
Betty Cracker
@Adam L Silverman: He has a wife? Gross!
Keith P.
@Betty Cracker: I think that’s his wife. Interesting google they are.
PaulWartenberg
DAMMIT. He was able to make bail????
germy
@Adam L Silverman: How did you like Gorka’s “bring it on” tweet about the potential investigation into his clearance? I found it amusing.
trollhattan
@germy:
Confederacy of the Pretend Tough Guys. I’ll invoke an efgoldman here.
germy
@PaulWartenberg: Of course. These are wealthy people.
I read somewhere he’s been selling “Roger stones” (autographed rocks) to his fans. The income stream never stops.
randy khan
@Cheryl Rofer:
Hallelujah.
Alien radio
@Betty Cracker: people will try, maybe, but I suspect by that point the Epstein Dershowitz nexus will have come to light, and how much support he’ll get once the list of crimes involves: Israeli Intellicence operations, and child sex traffiking, on top of the just unending failure to actually achieve anything the true believers wanted; It’ll just be a hardcore and they probably all have diabetes.
OzarkHillbilly
@Freemark: clarification I can’t edit this at @OzarkHillbilly: If you don’t get it fixed….You will have a Popeye muscle, and the bicep may be more prone to cramps (mine is) but those are small prices to pay for avoiding rehab
Adam L Silverman
@TaMara (HFG): Always.
trollhattan
@Betty Cracker: @Keith P.:
How is it possible she’s not Eastern European and 32?
germy
How CNN captured video of the Roger Stone raid
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/25/politics/roger-stone-raid/index.html
Adam L Silverman
@Betty Cracker: They’re swingers!
https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132×853802
germy
@trollhattan:
they’re swingers. Several 32 year olds probably orbit their marriage.
Alien Radio
@Adam L Silverman: And the man likes to collect blackmail!
MisterForkbeard
@Cheryl Rofer: Yeah, but is it going to be another bullshit “3 weeks but oh-by-the-way I’m getting the wall or throwing out a bunch of teenage refugees”?
Yarrow
@Alien radio: Just wait until the child sex trafficking gets tied to the evangelical churches.
germy
Alien Radio
@Yarrow: Yes there’s that as well. and poolboys….
Adam L Silverman
@germy: Gorka didn’t have a fully adjudicated clearance. At best he had an interim. I’ve dealt with Gorka before. He folded like a cheap suit.
Yarrow
@Adam L Silverman: I haven’t been surprised. His supporters are mostly wimps.
MisterForkbeard
@Adam L Silverman: Ewwwwwwwwwwww. I knew that, but I’d managed to deliberately drown that memory and now you brought it back. And 10am is too early to start drinking.
Steve in the ATL
@Freemark: stop throwing cut fastballs and hard sliders
Aleta
@JPL: I hope they get back to Kushner — ideally the names of the appointees who actually overruled the rejection of Kushner’s clearance. (And ignore admin. leaks of the names of scapegoats.)
Eolirin
@Adam L Silverman: I think one of the big changes that makes past events much harder to apply to current circumstances is that there seems, for possibly multiple reasons, a much lower propensity for violence among the broader population.
I don’t think we’re going to get mass uprisings under any circumstances in the US. I don’t think even the fascists have enough of a base of people willing to commit violence that they can precipitate it. Something really dramatic would have to shift. Violence really seems like a bridge too far for almost everyone.
The notable exceptions having access to fucking assault rifles skews a lot of the perception of this I think. But I think it has to be part of the analysis.
JPL
Christoper Wray is angry.
https://www.fbi.gov/video-repository/fbi-director-shutdown-message-192418.mp4/view
Ruckus
@Freemark:
Been there done that.
You will need PT. Grit your teeth, work it just as the doc and PT says. And be patient, it takes a while to get back to great.
TaMara (HFG)
@Adam L Silverman: Funny story – weather delayed the dog food shipment and then it snowed here. So the dogs were without their normal food for a night and a day. They got rice, fish and eggs. Rule #1 – extra pet food stockpiled in the winter. I fell down on that rule.
Adam L Silverman
@trollhattan: Here she is as an 11 year old with a Cuban captain named Ochoa
Fidel Castro.https://i.imgur.com/ueJJJvf.jpg
germy
@Yarrow: I honestly don’t think it will bother them.
Adam L Silverman
@germy: With a camera?
bluehill
I wonder how much Putin is enjoying how each episode of this dramedy unfolds. He checkmated us this game. It actually helps him that it’s so obvious that he helped Trump and co and yet the U.S. government aided by one of the two major political parties is taking so long to rid themselves of the President that is more beholden to Russia than his own country. It won’t be like this forever or hopefully even much longer, and I hope to be around when his time in the barrel comes.
Cheryl Rofer
@germy: Nice!
Adam L Silverman
@Yarrow:
Phrasing!
Adam L Silverman
danjos
@Freemark: My rotator cuff had a partial tear. I tried several rounds of PT first but that did not solve the problem. My doctor thought that my acromion bone (Type 3) was impinging and causing the tear. He shaved down the acromion bone but he also moved the bicep tendon off the labrum and reattached it down the arm about an inch as an additional precaution. After surgery and rehab the should feels great and the bicep looks normal. I do not recommend the advice from previous commnetors to let the bicep “popeye”. That is provided you have an issue with the bicep tendon.
Aleta
@Freemark: Ask someone in the rowing community (or sailing) to recommend surgeons and PT people; get a 2nd opinion from one of those surgeons; (maybe another opinion from an osteopath); or find out if there’s a surgical team near you who operate on major league BB players.
schrodingers_cat
@Yarrow: I agree with you. I have witnessed the outbreak of mob violence, first hand. I was worried when he hastily passed the Muslim ban immediately after being inaugurated with the two ex-generals flanking him and giving legitimacy to his dictatorial tendencies. But was heartened by the push back it got from the people and the courts. We tend to focus on the negative here because this a political blog but there is a lot of good in this country.
OzarkHillbilly
@Adam L Silverman:
How many baths did it take before you felt clean again?
bemused
@Raven:
How repetitive. Rightwingers are always predicting massive insurrections.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
I have a recollection of my mother’s reaction to Watergate.
She is as deplorable as they come, but her reaction to the rampant criminality of the Nixon people is illustrative of how Trumpists are going to process this:
“They all do it. I don’t think it’s a big deal, and he shouldn’t have quit”.
Thanks to people like her, those attitudes led to the reputations survival of both the ideologies of conservatism and some of the propagators of the crimes. Some, like Stone, never stopped.
One post Trump reform I want to see is the prohibition on Americans working as paid election consultants for foreign campaigns as violating the Logan Act.
MisterForkbeard
@Aleta: I think we actually know the name of the Trump appointee that overrode the career agents – saw it in some reporting last night, but can’t remember it now.
But it was very clearly a “Trump political appointee overrode the clear objections of the FBI” followed by “The CIA was so flabbergasted by the request for Kushner’s request for additional clearance above Top Secret (to TSCi?) that they questioned how he’d even gotten Top Secret”.
Adam L Silverman
This aged well! Tweetle Dumb and Tweetle Dumber.
JPL
Burgess Everett @ politco
In other words, who knows what and when he’ll say something.
TaMara (HFG)
@Adam L Silverman: Did you get your shots afterward? That guy gives me the heebee-jeebees.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@OzarkHillbilly:
Guessing that the air in a 5 meter radius of Seb smelled like a combo of Drakkar Noir, cheap sausage, onions and old beer.
Adam L Silverman
@germy: Another shonda for the goyim.
Face
What happens after a 3 week temporary re-opening? Would Trump have the stones to shut everything down again? Whoa boy, would that be a dick move. Assuming he wont, that assures there’s no damn wall for the foreseeable future, right?
Or am I missing something?
Edit: OK, I see his threat would to go “Emergency!”, not another shut down. Otherwise known as The Lawyer Employment Act of 2019.
Adam L Silverman
@germy: Also, it has long been rumored that Stone is bisexual.
Adam L Silverman
@Aleta: We have that guys name from NBC’s reporting. The guy who overruled the adjudicators is Carl Kline.
OzarkHillbilly
@Adam L Silverman: The caption identifies his as Capt. Rafael Ochoa.
Elizabelle
@MisterForkbeard: Name was Kline. I do not remember more than that.
JPL
@Face: National emergency. Start deporting those on DACA.
Adam L Silverman
@Eolirin:
This never ends well…
Gravenstone
@bemused:
They need to inflate their numbers (even in their own heads) to give themselves a sense of security and superiority. It’s also why they’re so shocked to find out that not everyone really believes the same as they do.
VeniceRiley
@MisterForkbeard: Klein, I think
Adam L Silverman
@JPL: Good statement.
OzarkHillbilly
@danjos: I was back at work 6 weeks later and the only rehab I had to do was motion and stretching. I’m a carpenter so the muscles in the shoulder are pretty well developed and that may have had something to do with it.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@JPL:
Cruelty is the point, the end, not the means.
JPL
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: My brother had Bircher views and not even he thought Nixon was guilty. Your mom must be special.
thebewilderness
I personally have been looking forward to this day when this man would be arrested since the Nixon years. The arc of the universe bends toward justice, they say. Sometimes it turns out to be true.
germy
Elizabelle
@Adam L Silverman: Well, Stone is certainly metrosexual.
bemused
@Gravenstone:
Yes, they are also always repeatedly shocked. They live in anti-reality teflon bubbles.
Adam L Silverman
@OzarkHillbilly: Normal shower. He got obsequiously whiny by the third email.
Gravenstone
@Adam L Silverman: Is it just me, or does Gaetz look more than a bit like Kris Kobach in that picture?
trollhattan
@Adam L Silverman:
If he’s our “brightest mind” we’re in deep trouble. “Shine on, you crazy Roger.”
Chip Daniels
@bemused:
Notice how all their websites feature boner pill ads.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Gravenstone: This is like Giuliani saying the nation would riot if Ivanka were arrested.
Adam L Silverman
@JPL: I don’t see Pelosi going for a three week CR. I see her passing a full to the end of year CR and daring McConnell not to bring it up and the President to veto it. Three week doesn’t free the hostages. It doesn’t teach the needed lesson that hostage taking is no longer tolerated and will be dealt with in a swift and severe measure.
Freemark
@Adam L Silverman: Small full tear. Been dealing with it since May. Going through workers comp.
MisterForkbeard
@Adam L Silverman: I’m not so sure. Pelosi would take the three week CR if it comes without strings attached. She can’t risk this becoming a “Democrats won’t open the government, even after they got the clean CR they asked for!” situation developing. Her ace right now is that this is all CLEARLY Trump’s fault, and she can’t have that change.
germy
How competent can Stone’s lawyer be?
From the above clip, he looks like a cosplayer, like Stone. The bright bow tie; the foppish blazer.
Don’t competent lawyers dress conservatively? I don’t know enough about the subject, but my gut tells me the lawyer is as much of a bullshitter as Stone is.
catclub
@Adam L Silverman: f
Civilization has actually been civilizing humans for the past hundreds of years. Those foxes in siberia aren’t the only ones being bred for
civility.
Adam L Silverman
@TaMara (HFG): Just forwarded you the email chain. Once I sent him my CV, he got whiny and broke contact.
JPL
@Adam L Silverman: @MisterForkbeard: I thought one of the clean cr’s only went to the end of February anyway. All I know is that the debt ceiling talks are going to be insane.
trollhattan
@Elizabelle:
Bit of a fancy boy. [/Seinfeld]
OzarkHillbilly
@Freemark: Ugh. I worked with a laborer who got caught up in that system because of an on the job RC tear and bicep tendon tear. By the time they were done with him he was permanently disabled and is no longer able to raise his arm above his shoulder. And it took them a year and half to fuck him so thoroughly.
Yarrow
@Adam L Silverman:
No surprise there. He’s typical of Trump people. Boasts a lot, actually a coward.
dmsilev
@MisterForkbeard: I agree. The Democrats aren’t giving up anything, they’re basically just saying “sure, we’ll talk about a wall” and that’s it. Via FTNYT:
That middle paragraph is basically someone trying to blow smoke up Trump’s ass, because if they shut down the government again in three weeks …surprise, the pressure will come right back on.
trollhattan
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
Heh. We’ve had our Brooks Brothers riot, so why not a Cheapass shoes and costume jewelry riot? There might be bruisings.
catclub
@JPL: the one they just voted on was only through Feb 8, the same date as they voted on more than a month ago. I thought it was silly not to adjust the date.
and yes, the debt limit votes, coming just when brexit happens – or doesn’t, will be another experience.
MisterForkbeard
@dmsilev: Yeah. And the “commitment to negotiate a broader border security solution” is something the Dems are already offering so long as it’s decoupled from the shutdown itself. “We’ll totally talk about more money for the border, so long as it’s for things that actually work and aren’t giant Confederate ‘fuck yous’ to brown people. Just open the government first.” has been pretty consistent.
Adam L Silverman
@OzarkHillbilly: Fine, fine, here she is with Captain Ochoa.
Freemark
According to the doctor and the MRI have an impingement that needs ground down as well. I believe it is the tendon that goes around the ball joint from above. The spur is on the acromion I believe.
Adam L Silverman
@Freemark: Tracking. I had a micro tear, was given a rehab schedule by a PT specializing in sport rehab I taught aikido with, about 90 days later and it was back to normal. If you’ve got a full tear, you’ll probably need the surgery.
cmorenc
Over on foxnews’ website, their banner headline is: “STONE WON’T ROLL” – presenting him as some sort of defiant hero resisting the deep state’s efforts to frame him (with the lead photo being of Stone standing with both arms upraised and heroically defiant pose )- with the substory “FBI show of force in Roger Stone arrest spurs criticism of Mueller tactics.”
Elizabelle
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
That’s a contender for the top 20 whack things Giuliani has said. Although, the year is young.
@trollhattan:
Oh, I like that. LOL.
raven
@Adam L Silverman: Same here, the diagnosis was a torn labrum but the surgery was daunting enough that I decided to stop swimming for 6 weeks and then go back to every other day. So far it’s worked for me and I often swim two days in a row. My new Apple Watch is a nice motivator for swimming.
Freemark
@Adam L Silverman: I was also wondering if people who had the surgery have any advice on sleeping, dealing with things one handed, etc. Glad you didn’t need surgery.
Gravenstone
@cmorenc: Someone remind Roger that the 5th Amendment only applies to self incrimination. It’s no defense against being required to incriminate others. And if he still clams up? Well, hope he enjoys his stay in the contempt of court hotel.
lgerard
@trollhattan:
That would be a Payless riot
raven
@Freemark: That’s what made me reconsider. There was a site called “spa tear” that had lots of pointers and discussions. The primary advice was, if you really need, get it, but make sure you do. We had shopped for a recliner because they said you have to be upright for weeks. The thing that bother me is that they really don’t know what’s up until they get in there. Frickin MRI is just an educated guess.
OzarkHillbilly
@Freemark: I will always have problems with sleeping but that is because of the arthritis and bursitis. I roll over a lot. At the time I just slept on my left side. As to doing things with one hand, it was a real pain in my ass as I am RH dominant to a great degree. I had to learn to wipe my ass with my left hand because I could not reach behind my back at all.
Adam L Silverman
@Freemark: Sorry, I can’t help you there. We’ll keep good thoughts.
opiejeanne
@Mike in NC: He looks like Lord Downey, head of the Assassin’s Guild in the Discworld series. https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/discworld/images/b/bd/Lord_Downey.jpeg/revision/latest?cb=20160229124715
Brachiator
Oh, snap! Love it!
geg6
@MisterForkbeard:
Don’t know his first name, but the last name is Klein.
geg6
@Freemark:
My guy had rotator cuff surgery about a year ago. One thing he said was it was more pain than the double knee replacement he had, but he recovered more quickly. As long as you are very diligent about the PT, it shouldn’t hold you up more than 6-8 weeks.
As for sleeping, we just put a pillow on his right side so he couldn’t roll over. Working with a non-dominant hand, I can’t help with. He certainly had trouble with that, but I don’t think there’s much you can do about it.
Freemark
@OzarkHillbilly: I should probably start practicing now with my left hand. I did the other day and it is damn awkward…lol
ET
If true hilarious….
If not, still funny to think true.
Origuy
I know it’s bad form to make jokes about sexual assault in prison, but I can’t help thinking that the Nixon tattoo on Stone’s back is a deterrent.