‘And Now for Something Completely Different’ Open Thread: Didja Hear About Roger Stone?…

Not quite Jimmy Breslin quality, but you mock Roger Stone with the NYC columnist you have…

Having seen his old partner-in-crime Paul Manafort convicted after decades of graft and pillage, Stone is determined not to go gently into his coming time in the barrel. After all, a guy who’d been dunned out of country club Republican political work after being exposed by the Pulitzer-worthy National Enquirer as a racially obsessed sexual swinger and then reduced to scuffling for the likes of Al Sharpton and the woman who claimed to have been Eliot Spitzer’s madam before seeing his decades-long pipe dream of President Trump come true doesn’t have much to lose…

…[S]ome… ask why Stone had been so arrogant about leaving a paper trail.

But why wouldn’t he be? He’s been getting away with this stuff since he was a college kid working for Nixon and then revolutionizing Washington access as the Black, Manafort & Stone partnership cashed in on their campaign work for Ronald Reagan to sell political access to the world’s worst people, including genocidal dictators and a certain third-base-born New York real estate developer.

While Stone or someone with the keys to his accounts was posting “Who Framed Roger Stone” memes just after his arrest, Manafort was back in court in Virginia, suddenly appearing old and feeble like many a flashy creep with a good lawyer does in public once the jig appears to be up…

“This is criminalizing political activity,” Stone told racist conspiracist Alex Jones Friday in a call-in interrupted by ads for snake oil plus one for his defense fund, in which Stone looked directly into the camera to warn: “If they get Roger Stone, you may be next.”

I’ll take my chances.

197 replies
  1. 1
    James E Powell says:

    I have a question only slightly related to Stone, but this is, after all, an open thread.

    How come the press/media have not given any of Trump’s scandals a -gate suffix? Maybe there is one and I missed it, but he’s got six or seven really huge ones each of which would be blanket 24/7 coverage if it were any Democrat. How come no -gates?

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    @James E Powell:

    well, there’s been attempts to call it “Russia-Gate” but there has been a noticeable lack of media zeal to treat this as a DEFCON-1 level scandal.

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    @James E Powell: Because we are all tired to death of -gate being used that way?

    Or possibly because the media are not taking them seriously.

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    Avalune says:

    Pretty sure Pee-Gate tried to catch on but never quite made it.

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    dmsilev says:

    @James E Powell: That’s out of date. We need now to know which of these scandals is Trump’s Katrina.

    (Alll of them, Katie. Because of course. )

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    For almost 40 years no one at the Nixon Foundation felt the need to call out Stone, to declare to the world he really never had much of anything to do with Nixon’s two successful campaigns for president or with Nixon’s presidency. But now they feel the need to distance themselves.

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    Another Scott says:


    PerpHatWalk @Popehat

    My column on Roger Stone will be up at @theatlantic in the morning.

    5:59 PM – 25 Jan 2019

    Should be interesting!


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    mad citizen says:

    I’ve never been a fan of the -gate suffix as shorthand for scandal, just from an English language point of view. But, how about Stupidgate, Polygate.

    He has branded his name, so Trump itself signifies whatever he becomes. I hope his descendents have to change their names.

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    burnspbesq says:

    Not quite Jimmy Breslin quality

    Not much is.

    Imagine the conversation Breslin and Molly Ivins are having in Heaven right about now.

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    Avalune says:

    Oh yeah there is John Oliver’s “stupid watergate.”

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    feebog says:

    Waiting foe the next indictment to drop. I’m betting it will be Corsi.

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    NotMax says:

    What is it with Republicans and grocery stores? Woebegone offspring of clueless and callous.

    Also too, the next time any Republican drones on about how underfunded the Pentagon is, one can hope even the mass o’ morons in this maladminsitration’s conjuring up, without so much as breaking a sweat, seven billion smackeroos deemed unnecessary, excessive or non-essential puts the lie to that tack.

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    Yarrow says:

    Just a reminder: Stone’s plot wouldn’t have worked without idiotic journalists tweeting the Russia-coordinated leaks in real time. Ethically, they’re unindicted co-conspirators. Never forget that moment in American journalism.

    Yep. And some of them will also be indicted co-conspirators. Traitors will pay.

    @James E Powell: The -gate suffix minimizes it. So many dumb things have been given the -gate suffix. A larger scandal like Iran-Contra didn’t get the -gate suffix. It had its own name. This episode of treason involving a large portion of one of our major political parties, some of our lesser parties, the media, supposed non-profit or charitable organizations like the NRA and evangelical organizations, among others, needs its own name.

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    plato says:

    I am still bummed that this traitorous thug was out in a jiffy and is being arrogant self in the public eye again. Given all the midnight FBI drama, I thought the fucker would be locked up for a long, long time, if not for life.

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    Yarrow says:

    @plato: Patience. Manafort was released, then violated terms of his bail and now he’s in prison for the rest of his life. Roger Stone can’t keep his mouth shut. It’s not going to go well for him.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    three weeks ago….

    Brad Parscale @ parscale
    Truth: Jared Kushner and @EricTrump were joint deputy campaign managers to @realDonaldTrump. Nobody else. Not one person made a decision without their approval. Others just took credit for this family’s amazing ability. I’m done with all these lies. They will be embarrassed!
    8:00 AM – 5 Jan 2018

    Nobody else. Not one person….

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    plato says:

    @James E Powell: Fuck, the 3rd rate media minions couldn’t even frame a totus thug’s Katrina moment.

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    Sebastian says:


    Hannity’s time in the barrel seems to be approaching. Oh, I can’t wait!

    Tick tock motherfuckers. Tick tock.

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    Roger Moore says:


    We need now to know which of these scandals is Trump’s Katrina

    That would be his response to Maria.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    When you’re too icky for Tricky….

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    sdhays says:

    @James E Powell: Isn’t Russia-gate a thing?

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    Jay Noble says:

    What happened with the other 6 (or 11) indictments today? I saw earlier posts that gave 7 and others that said 12. And then someone said it was 7 for Stone and the rest for another person rather than 7 counts on the one indictment for Stone. Either way . . . what did we miss here?

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    Sebastian says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Brad, Donald Jr, Eric, Kelly Anne

    Tick tock, tick tock

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    NotMax says:


    Granted it’s a stretch: Faulty Powers.


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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Seeing a lot of this from MAGAt-twitter

    Scott Weber @ LibertyRinging
    In three weeks, your ass will be sore beyond comprehension. You fucking morons don’t even know you just got played.

    I think this guy wears trump pajamas as he imagines his fat slob racist hero playing star trek and wizard chess

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    Yarrow says:

    @NotMax: Heh. Made me laugh!

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    Anne Laurie says:


    Imagine the conversation Breslin and Molly Ivins are having in Heaven right about now.

    And every so often, they interject, “Throw another bucket of water over Hunter Thompson, he’s starting to steam again.”

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    Anne Laurie says:


    Manafort was released, then violated terms of his bail and now he’s in prison for the rest of his life. Roger Stone can’t keep his mouth shut.

    Yep. It’s absolutely unfair that Stone gets to walk out on ‘personal recognisance’, but on the other hand, he’s already providing his prosecutors a wealth of further damning details during this weekend’s big AT LEAST EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT ME THAT’S GOOD RIGHT?!? media tour.

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    Sebastian says:


    When everything is said and done it will be “Trump”. Very much like Benedict Arnold. We cannot see it yet because we are in the middle of it but eventually the magnitude of treason will overshadow everything. The gaudiness, the retarded kitsch, all of it.

    In the end the word Trump will stand for the worst impulses in hunanity and for selling out the flag.

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    Suzanne says:

    @Avalune: I like “stupid Watergate”, because it emphasizes the stupid part. The “-gate” suffix is lazy AF. These people are morans and they deserve to be shamed for being dumber than a bagful of hammers.

    Ann Coulter accidentally hit on something important this week about Trump “convincing people with lowbrow taste to give him their money”. We (as a society, not Balloon Juice people) are not good at talking about social class and its implications, but I think she hit the nail on the head here. Having lowbrow taste isn’t really correlated with wealth, as there are plenty of rich people with lowbrow taste. And most of us like some stuff considered lowbrow. But I wonder if this is a subculture that I didn’t really think of as a distinct group before. And I wonder if the Trumpy cling so hard to Trump because he represents them. Just thoughts I had over hummus this evening.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:


    What are some alternate (fictional) names for the United Nations? You can’t use League of Nations

    I came up with:

    1. Alliance of Nations
    2. World Assembly
    3. Global Peace Organization
    These I’ve heard of:
    3. Congress of Nations
    4. International Treaty Organization

    Which ones do you like the most?

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    Yarrow says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I see that guy as a Russian in a cubicle.

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    Another Scott says:

    Speaker Pelosi:

    Pelosi Statement on Special Counsel Indictment and Arrest of Trump Campaign Advisor Roger Stone

    JANUARY 26, 2019

    Washington, D.C. – Speaker Nancy Pelosi issued this statement after Special Counsel Mueller released a seven-count indictment of top Trump campaign advisor Roger Stone, for lying to Congress, witness tampering, and obstruction:

    “The indictment of Roger Stone makes clear that there was a deliberate, coordinated attempt by top Trump campaign officials [ and … ] to influence the 2016 election and subvert the will of the American people. It is staggering that the President has chosen to surround himself with people who violated the integrity of our democracy and lied to the FBI and Congress about it.

    “In the face of 37 indictments, the President’s continued actions to undermine the Special Counsel investigation raise the questions: what does Putin have on the President, politically, personally or financially? Why has the Trump Administration continued to discuss pulling the U.S. out of NATO, which would be a massive victory for Putin?

    “Lying to Congress and witness tampering constitute grave crimes. All who commit these illegal acts should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. We cannot allow any effort to intimidate witnesses or prevent them from appearing before Congress.

    “The Special Counsel investigation is working, and the House will continue to exercise our constitutional oversight responsibility and ensure that the Special Counsel investigation can continue free from interference from the White House.”

    It reads like there are some words missing – I wonder if there was a late edit….


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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Anne Laurie: There’s are two reasons the FBI did a before dawn raid facilitated by their tactical squad. The first was to make sure Stone didn’t destroy any evidence. The second is because Stone has a Florida concealed weapons license (CWL), is known to have a firearms collection, has posted pictures on social media of himself with guns, and has been loudly claiming he hates the FBI and thinks they’re all criminals for months. Stone is also an obvious human growth hormone and steroid taker. While properly prescribed and monitored testosterone doesn’t turn the average man with a subclinical testosterone level into a roid raging madman, it just brings their levels back into the normal zone, given that Stone is also clearly taking HGH from the shape of his face and head, and Deity knows what else, is armed, and is inflammatory, I think it is a safe bet that he will eventually do something even more stupid than he’s already done and, at that point, Mueller will pick him up, slap a superseding indictment on him, and have his bail revoked.

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    JR says:

    @James E Powell: not affixing a -gate to every scandal has been one of the truly good things about the Trump presidency. Please let’s not continue that trend anymore.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    as the youths say, thread:

    Nancy Pelosi @ SpeakerPelosi
    What does Putin have on realDonaldTrump, politically, personally or financially?

    The Special Counsel investigation is working, and the House will ensure that it can continue, free from interference from the White House. Read my full statement here:

    Kick’em when they’re down
    Kick’em all around

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    MarySNJ says:

    I thought -ghazi was the new -gate… I can’t keep up.

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    NotMax says:


    Just thoughts I had over hummus this evening.

    Spread with a silver knife over arugula, atop a slice of seven grain artisan bread, accompanied by a vintage wine from a noted chateau?


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    Sebastian says:


    Of course he represents them. He is and always was the fucking KING of lowbrow.

    He is the Sultan of Sleaze, King of Kitsch, Czar of Crap, Lord of Lowbrow, Baron of Boorishness, Prince of Philistinism, Duke of Dolt.

    Fuck these Fuckers.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Anne Laurie: Yep. I don’t think the judge will be impressed with his antics.

    @Sebastian: I agree, but that’s a way off. We need something for now. Something to call it.

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    plato says:

    Roger Stone is out on $250,000 bail just hours after his arrest while people across our country sit in jail for days, months, or even years because they can’t afford to pay their bail. It’s unjust. We need to reform this broken system.

    — Kamala Harris (@KamalaHarris) January 25, 2019

    I am with her.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: United Federation of Planets

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    Jay Noble says:

    No valid passport. Why does that strike me as odd for the image that Stone projects?

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    Yarrow says:

    @Another Scott:

    In the face of 37 indictments, the President’s continued actions to undermine the Special Counsel investigation raise the questions: what does Putin have on the President, politically, personally or financially?

    Yes, yes….what does Putin have on Trump? We deserve to know.

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    Aleta says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I had the impression they wrote that to correct a recent false report that said he’d been active in a Nixon campaign. Fwiw, I looked back today for that info, b/c I thought I’d forgotten something him working for N, but nothing I saw mentioned that story.

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    debbie says:

    Hmm, kind of mean that the cartoonist drew Mueller so fat, no? //

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    Jay says:


    Outside of what passes for “American History”, Benedict Arnold has reasons, lots and lot’s of reasons. By some accounts he was simply returning the betrayl.

    Needy Amin has none.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Jay Noble: I thought the same thing. How does he not have a valid passport? OTOH, I don’t think I’ve seen him turn up in London or Paris or anywhere else, so maybe he doesn’t actually travel internationally.

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    Wag says:


    This episode of treason … needs its own name.


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    NotMax says:


    If y’all are interested in going all highfalutin:

    Sodality of Sovereign States
    World Concordance Assembly

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    Another Scott says:

    @Jay Noble: Stone was in London a year ago, so I guess his passport expired recently.

    Or maybe he’s lying about not having a valid passport (though presumably that’s easy for the US prosecutors to check).


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    plato says:

    You know who wasn't arrested before dawn this morning?

    Hillary Clinton or any of her associates.

    — Ed Krassenstein (@EdKrassen) January 25, 2019

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    Sebastian says:


    Lawfareblog calls it L’Affaire Russe

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    Yarrow says:

    @Another Scott: Oh, that’s right! I’d forgotten he was in London. Hmmm….

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    NotMax says:

    Screwy reply attribution. Fix.

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    If y’all are interested in going all highfalutin:

    Sodality of Sovereign States
    World Concordance Assembly

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    Sebastian says:


    Fair enough and I ageee but who knows that? Except for a small slice of the population BA is a synonym for treason.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: The Elders have authorized me to inform you that you need to cease and desist. We have F-22s on station eight miles from your, your parents’, your grandparents’, and your first grade English teacher’s current positions. Continuing this line of inquiry will not be tolerated.//

    Also, the Elders are partial to World Assembly.//

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Yarrow: Sort of a third shift matryushka doll.

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    Jay says:

    Party of the People released FOAI’s FBI files on Stone.


    The Nixon Foundation is trying to disassociate themslves from Stone, because Stone is more toxic than Nixon.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Aleta: He’s been saying that about himself very publicly and other people have been repeating it very publicly since the mid 1970s. They’ve never felt the need to do this until today.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Adam L Silverman: It’s a paycheck.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    Haha. Very funny, Mr. Mason.

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    Jay says:


    Soon, people will forget BA = Treason.

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    NotMax says:

    @Adam L. Silverman

    Tying two trains of thought from this thread together, there’s the lowbrow version:

    Accord R Us.


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    Adam L Silverman says:

    Ruh Roh!

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    Gretchen says:

    @Yarrow: he was in London visiting Assange not long ago.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Serious question: why not?

    If it’s called the World Assembly, what would you call the General Assembly’s analogue? World Assembly General Assembly sounds kind of stupid : p

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    Yarrow says:

    Oh, FFS.

    Bernie Sanders set to announce 2020 presidential run https://t.co/KpYxzNV9aF— Hunter Walker (@hunterw) January 25, 2019

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: I’m just teasing you. I’ve honestly never really thought about it. Pick whichever one you want.

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    Suzanne says:


    Spread with a silver knife over arugula, atop a slice of seven grain artisan bread, accompanied by a vintage wine from a noted chateau?

    No, over chicken shawarma with brown rice and iced tea. I like this restaurant because I don’t have to specify “unsweet”.

    Fuck you, you fucking fucks: sweet tea is vile AND NOT THE DEFAULT.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Yarrow: He’s going to be lucky to make it to Super Tuesday. The only question is whether when it becomes quickly and abundantly clear that he’s not going to get the nomination, does he just bow out or does he declare he’s running as an independent. And if he won’t do the latter, will Nina Turner shiv him and do it herself.

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    lamh36 says:

    12m12 minutes ago
    Hillary’s message to Bernie and his ilk: If you don’t want to support Democrats, then go somewhere else!

    GAWD I love her! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽


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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    The “Sovereign States” part is pretty good.

    Congress of Sovereign States
    World/Global Council of Sovereign States
    Union of Sovereign States (although this one could be the name of a country)

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    NotMax says:

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    Plethora of online thesaurus sites for you to peruse.

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    Suzanne says:

    @Sebastian: Right, but I am starting to appreciate exactly how much his lowbrow-ness is the key to his appeal among his peeps. It has nothing to do with policy. Not even the wall. It’s that lowbrow people who sense that others of us find them kind of gross wanted to find themselves on top of the social ladder and rub our noses in it.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: World Assembly or Congress of Nations.

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    Sebastian says:


    Yeah, eclipsed by T. Only the experts will, the rest not so much.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    Bozhe Moi!

    Lots more in that thread. She’s live tweeting it. Or trying too.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @lamh36: Hillary’s message to Bernie and his ilk: If you don’t want to support Democrats, then go somewhere else!

    Good for her. I don’t think I’ve heard her say all that before, certainly not that explicitly. And I was nodding along the whole time

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    NotMax says:

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    Parliament of Sovereign States. Or as it is a fictional analogue, just make up a word.

    Although must admit that while probably unusable, am kind of partial to Scrum of Sovereign States.


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    gwangung says:

    @Suzanne: Well, yes. That was precisely it. They saw someone just like them who had a creditable shot at the top spot and made him their champion. The wealth was just a kicker; the whole thing is that he was an idealized image of them, complete with political incorrectness, bigotry and rudeness.

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    Yutsano says:

    @lamh36: That video made me moist. And I’m glad she feels free to speak her truth.

    And fuck that interviewer. Hillary has had enough interruptions. LET THE DAMN WOMAN TALK!!!

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    beef says:

    Regarding the proper name for our Manchurian Presidency… Russiagate and le Affair Russe are both derivative, and this is worse than either. It would be nice if we eventually came to view the whole sordid episode through the lens of the the counterintelligence operation that brought it to heel. I’m not sure “Crossfire Hurricane” is that inspiring a name, but at least it glorifies the heroes instead of the villains.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:


    Scrum of Sovereign States.

    Too organized. Ruck or maul would be better.

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    Original Lee says:

    Just watched 12 Angry Men with Henry Fonda tonight. Golly, what a good movie. Still amazingly relevant and (given today’s events) really timely.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @gwangung: always astounds me when he gets up and brags about his Ivy League education, how rich he and his friends are, “we have the best apartments, the biggest boats”, and they all howl and hoot and stamp their hooves. But the vulgarity radiates through

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    lollipopguild says:

    @Adam L Silverman: How are the Elders feeling about the Super Bowl? New England?

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    Yutsano says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: He’ll never be anything but a lowlife from Queens who has no place in Manhattan high society. And he knows it.

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    Suzanne says:

    @gwangung: I’ve met a few of these people: mostly white dudes who seem flummoxed on some level that the rest of us don’t look up to them or aspire to be like them.

    I honestly think that part of why they hate Obama so much is because he is cool as hell. And they feel cheated out of being looked up to. It’s amazing how some of us never left high school.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    I figured. I just thought you might have been trying to tell me something in the form a joke : )

    True. Which is why I’m going to avoid assembly in the title.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:


    Global Defense Initiative!

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    NotMax says:

    @Original Lee

    Great play, great movie, and every one of them has his moment in the sun.

    Another Fonda legal vehicle to be on the lookout for is The Wrong Man. Underrated Hitchcock film.

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    Adam L Silverman says:


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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Fair Economist:
    World Assembly Congress of Nations-General Command.

    Fixed it for you.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Yutsano: kind of funny that trump’s money is “older” than Romney’s, but Willard comes off as such a toff you’d tell an actor he was overdoing his imitation of a swell from an old MGM movie– “one would have thought the fellow played sport, but he didn’t!”– and the ten-toothed rubes who hated Romeny think trust fund Donnie is a self-made man.

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    NotMax says:

    @Omnes Omnibus

    What is the rugby equivalent to a Trekkie?

    (Hooligan or yob are not acceptable answers.)


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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @beef: How about Blintzkrieg?

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    Kayla Rudbek says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: on Etsy, they are selling Nancy Pelosi and Robert Mueller votive candles (basically takeoffs on patron saint votive candles). My only nitpick is that I would have Speaker Pelosi’s candle be a takeoff on St. Margaret of Antioch with a chained/defeated dragon instead of this angel image to go with their Robert Mueller as the Archangel Michael. Shipping is a little expensive but I really want a matching pair…

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @lollipopguild: The Super Bowl is played with a pig skin. That is traife. I’m authorized to make no further disclosures from the Elders in regards to any plans to deal with this clearly anti-kosher sports conspiracy.

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    Kayla Rudbek says:

    Help, I’m in moderation for I guess linking to Etsy? Anyway, entrepreneurs have a Speaker Pelosi votive/prayer/saint’s candle for sale.

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    West of the Cascades says:

    @debbie: It looks like the cartoonist only had a drawing of Bill Clinton and just recycled it.

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    Sebastian says:


    I think it was said before, and surely more eloquently than I could, but the gist is that the tea party folks/repubs are afraid that we make fun of them because of their boorishness. Trump is their hero. He behaves like they would if they had money. He is the personification of their ID. Loud, boorish, an asshole, aggressive, ignorant, etc

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    NotMax says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist

    George W. Romney was no slouch when it came to piling up lucre to pass along to his offspring.

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    Yarrow says:

    @lamh36: Love her so much!

    @Adam L Silverman: Read the whole thread. She’s hilarious but the lawyer author sounds terrible. No surprise since he’s Stone’s lawyer. The book seems to be a tale of toxic masculinity.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Kayla Rudbek: That’s her as Gabriel, Guardian of the West, Master of Water, bringer of glad tidings.

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    eemom says:


    Bernie Sanders set to announce 2020 presidential run https://t.co/KpYxzNV9aF— Hunter Walker (@hunterw) January 25, 2019

    Been trying to think of the right sound bite for that. Friday Dump News?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:


    What is the rugby equivalent to a Trekkie?

    Rugger bugger.

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    NotMax says:

    @Adam L. Silverman

    Too Jewish. How about Samovarlets?


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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    @Fair Economist:
    I’m leaning towards Congress of Nations or Alliance of Nations. Thanks!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Kayla Rudbek: I have freed you. And replied to your comment too!

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    Kayla Rudbek says:

    @Adam L Silverman: So where are the equivalents to Raphael and Uriel?

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    NotMax says:

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    Diet of Nations.

    (Beats a Diet of Wurms.)


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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @NotMax: Kuglekampf?

    I’m going to go have to make a snack if we keep this up.

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    Warren Lorente says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: How about something that resembles Madison Ave-speak cuteness: ConcateNations?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Kayla Rudbek: I don’t make tchatchkes to sell on Etsy, I’m just the lorekeeper that explains what it is in the comments at Balloon Juice.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    I love coming up with alternate names for stuff. It can be fun! The slang term for tanks should have totally been “ovens” or “Treadnoughts” : )

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    NotMax says:

    @Adam L. Silverman

    Q: How would you describe what Israel did to Egypt in 1967?

    A: Gefilte squish.

    (Now go get yourself a nosh.)

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    trollhattan says:

    I live with a diet of “warums?” (teenage daughter).

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @NotMax: That’s so terrible I’ve lost my appetite.

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    Viva BrisVegas says:

    @NotMax: “What is the rugby equivalent to a Trekkie?”

    Rugger Bugger.

    As for a UN replacement, how about, The International Socialist Collective?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Viva BrisVegas: Late to the party.

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    Kayla Rudbek says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Uriel for the North and Raphael for the East – Senator Warren for the North and RBG or HRC for the East?

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    Mike in NC says:

    @Sebastian: Can’t be a mere coincidence that over the years Trump surrounded himself with the worst bottom feeders this country could produce. Cohn, Manafort, Stone, Bannon, Hannity, etc.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @NotMax: yeah, but George was born poor, Freddie the Klansman had his maw’s Klondike whorehouse money

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    gwangung says:

    @Suzanne: Not surprised. I’ve gone to a pretty elite school and palled around with some amazing people, and that just eats some people up, even though I’m fairly middle brow…it’s that and the non-white part that gets to them….Meh. (And the Obamas are two or three magnitudes above me in coolness, which is fine by me….when you’re talking about the tippy top, you’re in some rarefied air, and you need to acknowledge it).

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    NotMax says:

    @Omnes OmnibusViva BrisVegas

    Just don’t tell me that when they gather together they engage in rugger buggery.


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    Sebastian says:

    @Mike in NC:

    Obviously not. My personal opinion is that everyone who ever dealt with him should be investigated but the legality of that approach might be questionable.

    He is like the ur-asshole and attracts them all, isn’t it?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @NotMax: No, but the sheep are nervous.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Yarrow: I don’t think he’s going to do too well. From what I can tell, Our Revolution has been trying and completely failing to drum up enthusiasm over the past week.

    Also not going to help him that he announces during “The establishment”‘s moment of Triumph as NP completely wrecked Trump this week.

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    NotMax says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Coincidentally enough, George’s father eventually also became a successful home and commercial builder.

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    @Sebastian: Just because they’re far more obsessed with gay sex than actual gay people….

    And yeah, at this point it’s sort of a “dog bites man” story.

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    Brickley Paiste says:


    Rally in Oakland at Ogawa Plaza at noon on Sunday!

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    gwangung says:

    @MisterForkbeard: Not very impressed with his response to sexual harassment problems in his 2016 campaign.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    I’m sorry, I know I shouldn’t, I don’t want to, but…

    The D Train @ mdarren73
    The last time a woman spanked Trump this hard it cost him 130 grand.

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    Original Lee says:

    @NotMax: Thanks for the recommendation. I’ve been sporadically working my way through all of the Hitchcock movies. Rear Window is still my favorite.

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    NotMax says:


    The first official estimates of the [flu] vaccine’s performance, released Thursday, found the shot was 68-per-cent effective at preventing all types of influenza, and 72 per cent effective at warding off H1N1, the strain of influenza A that has prevailed this season.

    The vaccine protected 91 per cent of children between the ages of 1 and 8 from H1N1, according to the BC Centre for Disease Control (BCCDC), whose figures are the first to officially reveal how well the shot is working in the Northern Hemisphere.
    Over all, the 2018-2019 vaccine is a big improvement over the previous four seasons, when the shot provided scant defense.

    Last year’s version was only 17-per-cent effective against the dominant H3N2 strain of the virus at midseason. The last time the shot’s overall effectiveness approached 70 per cent was in the 2013-2014 season. Source

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Original Lee: To Catch a Thief, damn it. If only for the Delahaye.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Kayla Rudbek: Uriel is the Warden of the North, Master of Earth, He who brings all souls at last to the nether shore. Raphael is the Warden of the East, Master of Wind, He who brings healing to those in need.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @Suzanne: For ‘low-brow taste’, see the gilded sets of the Jan and Paul Crouch sets at TBN (Trinity Broadcast Network) or the somewhat less gaudy set for the JimBakker show YouTube videos.

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    @Suzanne and @gwangung: Yep, revenge of the nekulturny.

    I’d say that the only taste they have is in their mouths, but burnt steaks drowned in ketchup disproves that theory.

    In a different vein, here in Silicon Valley there’s no shortage of mediocre white dudes desperately over-compensate for the secret self-knowledge that they’re not nearly as cool at all cool as they imagine themselves to be.

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    NotMax says:

    @Original Lee

    Interesting tidbit is that The Wrong Man is not an original story, it is based on an actual occurrence, which constrains some of Hitchcock’s more mercurial flourishes.

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    trollhattan says:

    Nice!. Some years they get it right. I wonder whether the researchers for the 2019 vaccine have been home watching handegg the last four weeks?

    Gardasil has been proving its worth bigly. Imagine a cancer vaccine. We have one.

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    @gwangung: Mere wimmins (and colored people) take second place to the Glorious Revolution. //

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    gwangung says:

    @Sister Golden Bear: And that’s on top of the administrative abilities second only to Trump, the lack of flexibility in the face of crises and the knack for choosing underlings with less than sterling ethical standards.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Baaa! Means no!!!!!

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    trollhattan says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Why do Mormon shepherds wear button-fly pants?
    Sheep can hear zippers from a hundred yards.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Sister Golden Bear: One of the big televangelists just got outed this past week as well. I just blanked on his name.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @NotMax: Holy crap!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @NotMax: The complaint by the quoted passenger about the ukulele music is what ties the article together. Get a grip lady, someone died.

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    @Adam L Silverman: Ernest Angley, albeit I had to look it up.

    There’s so many of them that I lose track myself. At this point, I just assume every accusation is a confession.

    And FWIW, in my experience the vast majority of tranny-chasers I’ve encountered are socially conservative men, for whom we’re good enough for the sheets, but not to be seen with in the streets.*

    *That said, I do feel for guys who are trans-amorous and don’t fetishize us. They’re shamed even more than trans women aer.

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    NotMax says:

    Not forgotten.

    Nearly four months after the murder of Jamal Khashoggi at the hands of Saudi operatives linked to the court of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the United Nations (UN) is launching an investigation into the killing of the journalist, potentially shining a new light on an explosive case.

    Agnes Callamard, the UN’s special rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions, will travel to Istanbul on Monday to begin an examination of the murder.… Source

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    NotMax says:

    The road reaches another switchback (emphasis added).

    U.S. President Donald Trump’s former personal attorney Michael Cohen indefinitely postponed his upcoming congressional testimony Wednesday, citing “ongoing threats against his family from President Trump” and his attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani. Threats from the duo reached Cohen and his family as recently as this weekend, according to a statement from Cohen’s attorney, Lanny Davis. Source

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Sister Golden Bear: That’s him. I need to get the playing cards as I can’t ever keep them straight.

    As for transamorous, if I’m remembering the literature correctly from when I had to poke around in it for professional reasons, this is one of the most common paraphilias.

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    Brickley Paiste says:

    @Sister Golden Bear:

    Oh my god, watch some of his Youtube stuff.






    baaabaaaaa aab


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    NotMax says:

    @Adam L. Silverman

    Not in Florida, but what the hey.

    Man says emotional support alligator helps his depression

    “Whaddaya mean you won’t let me fly with him?”

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    Sebastian says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    For being gay or for uhm liking sheep?

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    joel hanes says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    The Super Bowl is played with a pig skin. That is traife.

    but is probably the least offensive thing about the annual celebration of brutality, money, and brain damage.

    I have to say, though, that Prince doing Purple Rain in the fucking rain nearly redeemed the entire enterprise.

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    Mary G says:

    To me, this period in history will always be the Trumpocalypse.

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    joel hanes says:


    George W. Romney was no slouch when it came to piling up lucre to pass along to his offspring.

    And yet, compared to today’s Republicans, he seems like a tower of integrity and statesmanship.

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    NotMax says:

    @Adam L. Silverman

    Aside: I’ve been on that flight. So long in the air you get two free meals. One hot, one not.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @NotMax: I saw that the other day.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Sebastian: Gay. Apparently someone was running the video camera in the conference room during a dispute with his wife and one of the other ministers in his ministry and it all came out, so to speak.

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    @Adam L Silverman: It’s one of the biggest subgenres of pron.

    Albeit most of it features actresses who are extremely feminine and closely fit cis-het beauty norms — albeit with one one major exception. (Chasers usually quickly lose interest once they find out someone is post-SRS — almost universally they want to be the penetrated partner.)

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @joel hanes: I haven’t watched a football game in years. The last Super Bowl party I went to was at one of my students when I was assigned at USAWC. I think I hung out in the kitchen. Football bores me. I think the league, from the owners to the league officials, is, at best, a really vile monopolistic enterprise. I watch ice hockey, basketball, rugby, and baseball.

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    NotMax says:

    @Adam L. Silverman

    Certainly would be an unusual entry for the B-J pet calendar.


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    joel hanes says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    When I was young and fit enough to ski, it was my favorite day to go downhill skiing — a weekend day with almost no one on the slopes. Ski right into the chair.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Sister Golden Bear: I’ll update the files in case I have to ever do another memo on paraphilias for someone in the Army. Don’t ask, but basically in the attempt to start making a dent on the sexual harassment, assault, and rape problems a number of years ago, some former FBI agent whose daughter was raped and killed and turned himself, in retirement, into a self taught expert on sexual deviancy, started getting handed off from general officer to general officer as a speaker on sexual harassment and assault. That wasn’t what he actually presented on. So I had to write a memo explaining why he was wrong and I made sure to reference the research literature to drive the point home that he didn’t actually talk about anything close to the actual problems we’re concerned with, he isn’t actually qualified to talk about what he did talk about, and what he did talk about was factually inaccurate. The absolute number of abject frauds who manage to worm their way into consulting/working for the military because they have a legit credential or claim to have a legit credential is frightening. And I’ve been fighting these asshats for far too long.

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    Mary G says:

    @NotMax: Can’t figure out how to copy and paste on this phone, but the last couple of paragraphs in the article you linked are pretty awful. Almost all of the billionaires, banksters, and government officials attending Davos said the Khashoggi murder is old news and they are back to business as usual with the Saudis.

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    #123 says:

    Why not call it Donald’s Abyss

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mary G: MBS spreading around a lot of inducements from the Saudi sovereign wealth funds.

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    joel hanes says:

    Booman :

    If today had been any ordinary day, we’d be talking about this major NBC News scoop:

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    @Adam L Silverman:

    The absolute number of abject frauds who manage to worm their way into consulting/working for the military because they have a legit credential or claim to have a legit credential is frightening. And I’ve been fighting these asshats for far too long.

    I’m sure.

    FWIW, there’s plenty of them doing work in the LGBT field as well — usually to portray us as deviants. As well as well-meaning, but utterly clueless researchers, such as the ones promoting the idea that one-fifth of all trans women are HIV positive — never mind they based that stat based on studies recruiting trans sex workers at urban health clinics. I’m not bitter… actually I’m just pissed off.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    I was idly Googling around to try and figure out what the objections to Bohemian Rhapsody were now that I’ve seen it, and I’m realizing that subtlety is COMPLETELY lost on most people these days. Sheesh.

    I mean, really, when they show Mercury on a payphone with his girlfriend while exchanging glances with a trucker who then saunters into a nearby restroom, some people didn’t understand what was about to happen off-screen? Really?

    It looks like a whole lot of young people never read And the Band Played On and misunderstood a huge amount of context. Sheesh.

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    fedupwithhypocrisy says:

    @Sebastian: Benedict Donald

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Sister Golden Bear:

    the ones promoting the idea that one-fifth of all trans women are HIV positive

    Now you have me wondering how old those studies are, because I have a vague memory of hearing that AIDS was a problem in the early 90s in very specific urban social groups of transwomen living in or near poverty who had a hard time affording hormones (which were not covered by insurance or Medicaid) so they sometimes pooled what they had and shared needles before the message really got out that sharing any needles (not just heroin) was dangerous.

    But it’s late at night and my Google-fu is failing me, so maybe my brain made it up.

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    JGabriel says:

    @James E Powell: @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷:

    What are some alternate (fictional) names for the United Nations?

    Here’s two:

    Global Co-operation Initiative
    United States of Earth (For representation in interplanetary bodies.)

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    Hob says:

    @Mnemosyne: I’ve seen that written here and there, but I’ve never been clear on how much of that was documented and how much was anecdotal. I actually used to be a nurse whose main practice was in HIV care and transgender health services, so you’d think I’d have read the literature, but practically speaking you’re going to tell people not to share needles anyway no matter what the exact statistics are. Sharing needles for intramuscular as opposed to intravenous use would theoretically be a somewhat lower risk of HIV transmission; I’m not sure that it’s been quantified well.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷:
    It’s your story. Pick one you like.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply that healthcare workers weren’t trying to inform their patients about the dangers of re-using needles. More like, as often happens, patients may have heard what they wanted to hear or decided that going without the hormones they needed was worse than the potential risks.

    I was more trying to say that even if that subgroup of transgender women had higher rates of contracting AIDS, it wasn’t necessarily because they were sex workers themselves.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: Batman: The Movie had “United World”.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @James E Powell: Because of “Gamergate”, for younger generations “-gate” now refers to a fake outrage touted by fascist creeps trying to drive women and minorities out of nerd culture. There are variants like “Comicsgate”. Using it for an actual political scandal no longer seems right.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Another Scott: Good catch. It could be that the coordinated attempt was BY campaign officials, but that’s not the word she used.

    What’s your best guess on the missing piece?

    Russia? The media? Conservative media?

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Original Lee: Speaking of movies and great characters in movies, as I watched the speech earlier this week — given by the great senator from Colorado — I thought of Mr. Smith Goes to Washington and thought the senator gave Jimmy Stewart a run for his money.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @Yarrow: Back in the depths of the BOGOD (Bad Old Good Old Days) the Rooskies would identify this sort of mess by stapling the -shchina suffix onto the chief perpetrator’s name, e.g., Yezhovshchina:

    In Russian historiography, the period of the most intense purge, 1937–1938, is called Yezhovshchina (literally, “Yezhov phenomenon”, commonly translated as “times of Yezhov” or “doings of Yezhov”), after Nikolai Yezhov, the head of the Soviet secret police, the NKVD, who was executed a year after the purge.

    IMO this is a useful way forward. If we were blogging in po-russki I’d suggest something on the order of Izmenashchina (“treason times”), but since we’re not, how about Shitgibbonshchina or Twitlershchina or even Drumpfshchina?

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: That was on Colbert or James Cordon or Seth Meyers earlier this week. It was a good one!

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Sebastian: That might be the all time best Onion story. I read it every time someone links to it because it’s just so perfect.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @NotMax: Oh, thank god. It haunts me regularly that MBS has gotten away with this horror, with a big assist — dare I say huge? — from the man residing in the white house.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Mary G: Please allow me to assist:

    Many of the billionaires, world leaders and corporate kingpins at the World Economic Forum in Davos this week said they were ready to put the Khashoggi affair behind them, and resuming normal business with Riyadh. Saudi economy minister Mohammad Al Tuwaijri said he and his colleagues met with “dozens” of western investors.

    “We have long since dealt with the Khashoggi case,” the Swiss president, Ueli Maurer, said on Wednesday, according to the SDA news agency. “We have agreed to continue the financial dialogue and normalise relations again.”

    Now, please excuse me while I vomit at what they said.

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    WaterGirl says:

    Hey, that’s a new record for me! 6 comments before I realized the thread was dead. Go me!

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    Hob says:

    @Mnemosyne: You probably won’t see this but if you do – I didn’t at all mean to imply that you meant to imply anything bad! I was really just saying “That’s a good question.”

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