Thursday Morning Open Thread: Quit Trump-Stunting & End the Shutdown

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    Betty Cracker says:

    We’re having a humongous thunderstorm right now. The power flickered but came back on. Hope it doesn’t go out altogether!

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    But jared has been talking to “moderate Democrats” open to negotiation, where “moderate” means “anti-Pelosi”.

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    Raven says:

    Repost from last night”

    I know my disaster stories never have the cache as John’s but I just got through with a doozie. I’ve mentioned that my wife got whacked in our brand new Kia (4000 miles) and it went in for 9 days and $3k worth of work. Because we will be down to our van and my truck I made sure to fill the truck up yesterday. I was walking the pups and when I got home I noticed there was a little gas dripping down the side from the gas cap. I went over to check it and when I turned the cap there was pressure in the system and gas shot out of the filler and covered Lil Bit in fuel. I got her in the basement and bathed her in dawn and then rubbed mineral oil all over her. She has awful eyes and even though she was turned away she got drenched and her head was soaked. We called our vet and the were still there so we drove out to have her checked. They cleaned her up some more and feel that it didn’t do any permanent damage. Did I mention I got my brand new Apple Watch 4 this afternoon and it got soaked too! Everything seems ok but goddamn!

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    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning, Everyone 😊😊😊

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    rikyrah says:

    Sounds like quite a day, but I am glad that everyone came out okay 😚😚

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    prufrock says:

    @Betty Cracker: I was about to get out of bed to go run. One crack of lightning kept me under the blankets.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    I love the pacifier on the “Challenge Coin”.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Raven: Damn. Good thing you don’t smoke.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Good catch!

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Damn, that’s poetically brutal!

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Raven: Jeez! Glad no one was hurt.

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    RAVEN says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: @rikyrah: I sure thought about that! I had a new padded harness on her and I can’t seem to get the smell off of it even though I’ve run it through the washer twice. Maybe it will evaporate.

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    @Betty Cracker: Time to set up the camera and get good pics of the lightning.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @RAVEN: Hopefully, I’d give it a week or 2 outside, then try washing it again.

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    Baud says:

    Nancy Pelosi must go!

    @rikyrah: Good morning.

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    plato says:

    Amazing how the 3rd rate press isn’t focusing on the real culprit at all, the mcturtle. He is the one keeping this shutdown going.

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    Raven says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: OOO, ok I’ll do that. She seems to be ok this morning. What a trooper.

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    JPL says:

    @Raven: I’m just glad everyone is okay.

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    Baud says:

    @Raven: Poor baby.

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    Cermet says:

    The Post has a story that the Feds are billing furloughed workers for their health care!

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    JPL says:

    My wish is that Mueller has something concrete on trump that leads quickly to his removal. Country first!

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Vanity Fair published an excerpt of ex-Trumpster Cliff Sims’ “Team of Vipers” tell-all. He trashes Kellyanne Conway in the snippet linked, which she surely deserves, but the the writing is just abominable. Sims was a communications aide in the White House. No wonder they can’t put out a simple press release that isn’t riddled with errors. Like Kay says, low-quality hires.

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    hitchhiker says:

    Hugh Hewitt has been given space in the Washington Post this morning to wax stern about how genius McConnell is. At one point he claims that trump’s love of defense spending is part of what makes him okay with traditional Republicans, who care deeply about national security.

    My head completely exploded.

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    Baud says:

    In other tales of idiocy (The Hill)

    Washington officials have declared a public health emergency as an outbreak of measles spreads across an anti-vaccination “hot spot” near Portland, Ore.

    Clark County, Washington, has seen 23 confirmed cases of measles as of Tuesday, according to a statement from the public health department. 

    Twenty of those who contracted the highly contagious virus were not vaccinated against measles. The immunization status of three people have not yet been confirmed and at least one person has been hospitalized.

    Clark County, which is just across the Columbia River from Portland, Ore., is a “hot spot” for outbreaks because of the high rate of nonmedical vaccine exemptions, The Washington Post reported.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Raven: so, it’s been a whole night, is Lil Bit Ok? Does your watch still work?

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    Immanentize says:

    @Anne Laurie: I want one of those coins!

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    JPL says:

    @Betty Cracker: I assume they were the best no/low quality hires though.

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    @Baud: The kid’s sister is edging into the anti vax thing, which the kid being a nurse and all is not going down well.

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    Immanentize says:


    nonmedical vaccine exemptions

    We are tilting toward sectarian clashes. If my kid (born or unborn) was harmed by measles because of another’s “religious objections,” I might get energetically anti-sect.

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    Raven says:

    @Immanentize: Ha, yea all seems well. I finished her 7 eye meds for the morning and she seems as normal as the little squirt can be. I’m trying to figure the watch out, I bought it for the swim capability but I really like the health monitor aspect.

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    Pogonip says:

    @Cermet: Money is taken out of a Fed’s paycheck to cover his “share” of the cost of health insurance. If you can’t have the money taken out, because you weren’t paid anything, OPM or your agency’s payroll office has to send you a bill. You can either send the money in (not recommended because 99% of the time it won’t get posted right) or wait till you start getting paid again when your payroll office will take extra deduction till you are all caught up. Yet another expensive shutdown snafu.

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    Immanentize says:

    I am seriously curious — WHY?
    Is she really afraid that the vaccines will hurt her child? Does she think her kids will just maybe get lucky? That the diseases vaccines protect against just aren’t dangerous? Is she otherwise anti-science? Is it a “I’m smarter than others?”, Does she think it’s a big government conspiracy to plant chips in our pristine bodies?

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    rikyrah says:

    Phuck Outta Here 😠😠

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Awful.

    @Immanentize: Agree. Lots of ugliness ahead.

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    Pogonip says:

    @Baud: In 1962, a year or so before measles vaccine became available, I was so close to dying that my parents were calling funeral homes. Except in the case of allergies, refusal to vaccinate should automatically make the parent unfit.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Raven: I’m glad. My wife had an I-watch and she really liked it. Also for the email notices in case of work emergencies (she was on call a lot). She could exercise and not have to have her phone with her all the time.

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    John S. says:

    Wow, so all those polls show that Trump support is down to the crazification factor. He is literally only playing to the 27%.

    That’s going to work out well for him and the Republicans in the next election.

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    @Immanentize: Who knows, the kid’s sister is a bit loony. Last year she took her daughter out of school to home school her.

    ETA: The reason the kid mentioned it was that her niece didn’t get a flu shot this year. She had the flu last year and was running a temp of 104 for a couple of days. It could be the sister lost faith in the vaccine due to it not working last year(last year’s formulation wasn’t on target).

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    Baud says:

    @Pogonip: I’m afraid it’ll take a major outbreak for people to get tough on this issue.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Baud: And in that theme: Trapped in a hoax: survivors of conspiracy theories speak out

    Dr Paul Offit strode into a dispute over the safety of children’s vaccines in 1998. Twenty years later, he is still embroiled in it. His latest death threat arrived only about a month ago, when someone wrote on a forum frequented by vaccine skeptics that Offit was “dead already so they might as well assassinate him”.

    Offit’s worldview, as a pediatrician at the Children’s hospital of Philadelphia who has himself created a vaccine against rotavirus, had always revolved around the scientific method and evidence-based reality. “The assumption was that if you publish good papers in good journals, truth emerges and people abandon ill-founded beliefs. Didn’t work that way.”
    He set up the Vaccine Education Center to give the public a basic appreciation of vaccines which globally prevent up to 3m deaths each year.

    The backlash came almost immediately. It began with a flurry of emails calling him Satan, a Nazi. “It was devastating. It hurt, it always hurt, it still hurts. I never got so thick-skinned that when people assume my motives are evil it doesn’t hurt me.”

    He was stalked by a man who followed him from from one speaking engagement to the next. Protesters appeared outside medical meetings bearing placards with Offit’s face above the word “TERRORIST”.

    A voicemail was left for him at home. The man mentioned he had young children the same age as Offit’s. “We all want what’s best for our children, I’m sure you want what’s best for your children,” the man said, before going on to name Offit’s kids as well as the school they attended.

    It was the one time that Offit considered dropping it all. That night, he talked to his wife, Bonnie, and offered to quit standing up for vaccines. “If Bonnie had said stop to me that night, I would have stopped.” Bonnie told him to hang in there. You’re doing the right thing, she said, for science, for children. You mustn’t let them shut you up.
    The result of this surge in conspiracy theories around vaccines is that measles outbreaks are at a 20-year high. In 2018 there were more than 60,000 European cases with 72 deaths, twice the number from the year before.

    Offit has seen at first hand what that means. One of the cases that haunts him is that of a mother who decided not to vaccinate her infant son against influenza, having read some fallacious material about the treatment.

    The little boy was brought in to the hospital and went through a progression of increasingly invasive care as his body was ravaged with flu. First the child was given an oxygen face mask, then put in a ventilator, then an oscillator and heart-lung machine, until finally he died. “The mother watched her child die in slow motion, like falling off a cliff slowly. It was very hard.”

    After the boy’s death, Offit asked the mother if she would be willing to talk to other parents wrestling with the decision to vaccinate as a way of preventing further tragedy. She politely declined. “She said to me she still thinks she made the right choice – the vaccine would have been more harmful.”

    His is one of four stories they highlight. The other 3 are:

    Marcel Fontaine- Falsely accused of being the Parkland shooter
    Lenny Pozner- Targeted after he lost his child at Sandy Hook
    Brianna Wu- Attacked by #gamergate trolls

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    Raven says:

    @Immanentize: Cool, preparing it for swim is a little complicated but I think I’ll just need to get used to it.

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    Baud says:

    Cory Gardner has been freed up to pretend he’s not a Republican.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:


    I really like the health monitor aspect.

    And right now it says you are in toxin overload after swimming in a gasoline filled pool.

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    Immanentize says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: not yet there…. But you are right, they will be.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Request: Let’s do a Hello Schlemazel thread every morning, which niece Laura can read to him. As long as we know he is still with us.

    Saw this on Adam’s overnight thread with the 4 white rightwing guys.

    Laura Too says:
    January 23, 2019 at 3:52 pm
    Thanks to you all for the kindness shown to all of my family. I have printed out all of your responses and am going to the hospital. I will read them to him as I sit. I know he will hear all the love you have shared. I will update when completed. Again, thank you!

    WaterGirl says:
    January 23, 2019 at 8:14 pm
    @Laura Too: Thank you so much for doing that, and for telling us about it. Schlemazel is lucky to have a niece like you.

    Laura Too says:
    January 23, 2019 at 8:34 pm
    I just got home. I was lucky to have gotten there before they gave him the next shot of morphine so even though he couldn’t open his eyes and he is on a breathing tube he was very aware of what I was reading. I read him almost all of the comments and names. He clearly understood and recognized everyone. He laughed at some until he choked, he was saddened by some but was very clearly moved by all of the love. He has struggled with acceptance all of his life, I hope for the the first time in his life that he realizes just how much he is loved. I can’t express what all of you mean to me. Thank you!

    So: good morning, Schlemazel. I hope they are keeping you comfortable, and that you get some quality time with your family. You are in my thoughts, every day.

    ETA: now to check the threads for any further news of Schlemazel.

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    Baud says:


    “She said to me she still thinks she made the right choice – the vaccine would have been more harmful.”

    The same lie Stein voters tell themselves about Hillary.

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    Baud says:

    @Elizabelle: Thanks, EB.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Baud: Good morning, bud.

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    Cermet says:

    @rikyrah: Please, try to say what you mean – or are you having trouble like the orange fart cloud?

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    Chyron HR says:


    The same lie these exact same people tell themselves about Hillary.

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    p.a. says:

    Wonderful morning shadenfreude thinking of the toxic narcissist ranting and raving at his despicable handlers and staff about his having to cave on SOTU address!

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    Immanentize says:

    Thank you.
    Smoke gets in my eyes.

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    @Immanentize: You’ve neatly highlighted the hazard of having unprotected sects.

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    JPL says:

    @Elizabelle: Thank you for posting that. ,

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    Immanentize says:

    How could you continue living otherwise?

    Perhaps true in both cases.

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    Immanentize says:

    @BruceFromOhio: oooo. That was good.

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    @Immanentize: The one thing she said is her sister has a “chemist” friend who told her the vaccine wasn’t any good.

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    Lapassionara says:

    @Elizabelle: Thank you. Also, has anyone seen a comment from Leto or Avalune recently?

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    debbie says:


    I just listened to that Mercedes chick stating over and over that Nancy Pelosi refused to come to the table to negotiate. NPR was too obsequious to point out that it was Trump who stomped out of the room the last time they met.

    Waking up to these polls has done wonders to ameliorate a very, very cold morning.

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    debbie says:


    That means the government also isn’t taking out taxes. I’m surprised the government wouldn’t in effect be depositing its share. It seems too honorable.

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    JPL says:

    @Lapassionara: Several days ago he posted that he was out of the hospital but still achy. I’m not sure if he has posted since then though. I imagine that he still has a long road to complete recovery filled with days of physical therapy.

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    SFAW says:


    Country first!

    According to Traitor Turtle, that means you are NOT a member of the Democrat Party.

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    debbie says:


    Thanks from a person who can’t possibly keep up with all the posts around here.

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    @Raven: Poor Lil Bit! I’m glad she’s ok. Mr DAW got some sort of fitness watch for Christmas too. Garmond, I think? He’s working on getting it to lower his daily goal, which seems off point to me.

    My writers group met last night. They always meet in the library right next door and I usually walk to it along a path through trees and some open area. Last night, that proved to be nearly knee deep in snow. I had to stop several times to take deep breaths because it was such hard work. To make up for it, I let someone drive me home. Again, that would be from next door.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Elizabelle: I hope my eloquence gave him a laugh.

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    Odie Hugh Manatee says:

    @Elizabelle: “He has struggled with acceptance all of his life, I hope for the the first time in his life that he realizes just how much he is loved.”

    I was falling asleep last night and I thought about him and wished him the best. This jackal sits here with tears in his eyes after reading the above quote.

    Good morning, Schlemazel. You are in my thoughts.

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    debbie says:


    I just posted again in that thread and trust Laura Too will continue to check it.

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    @p.a.: That was a totally unnecessary fight too. He just couldn’t let Pelosi have the last word. Instead he had to announce he was going to give that speech in the House whether the wanted it or not.

    Someone on here said Pelosi is giving Trump a master class in how the US government (theoretically) works because he had no knowledge of it before he took office and learned bad habits from the Rs.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Fuck yes.

    I wonder if Laura read the whole post or just … excerpted.


    If the Secret Service is laughing behind Trump’s back … (and the things they must see that we have no idea of) … The pacifiers! Are we sure that is real?

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Odie Hugh Manatee:

    He has struggled with acceptance all of his life

    I know. That one caught me in my chest too.

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    Barbara says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: This is my brutal take on the anti-vaxer mindset: People who wish to feel “special” and “different” seize on vaccinations as a way to “separate” themselves from those conformists who “mindlessly” follow the “herd.” To which I say, people stand out for being exceptionally musical or artistic or athletic or kind or generous or thoughtful, but nobody actually stands out for simply setting themselves in opposition to others for no good reason. I totally understand why pediatricians get exasperated with these parents. They aren’t being thoughtful or concerned about their children. They are just looking for a completely fake way to stand out.

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    raven says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Most people I know have a Garmin. I was drawn to this because of the health monitor:

    In addition to chatting with friends, streaming music, and tracking workouts, you can now use your Apple Watch to take an electrocardiogram (also known as an EKG or ECG test) to measure heart rhythm, as well as identify signs of atrial fibrillation (AFib). Both features go live today for Series 4 users as part of a free update to watchOS 5.1.2, and Series 1 through 4 users will get the irregular heart rate notifications with the update.
    The new ECG app can generate an ECG similar to a single-lead electrocardiogram using electrodes in the back crystal and Digital Crown of the Series 4. To use, simply launch the ECG app and hold your finger against the Digital Crown, which will send a circuit of electrical signals across your heart to monitor for unusual heart rhythms.
    After just 30 seconds, you’ll get your reading: sinus rhythm (which means no unusual heart rhythms were detected), AFib, or inconclusive

    My recent stroke made me think this might come in handy.

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    Kay says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    At that point, personal phones had not yet been banned in the West Wing, so Kellyanne was sitting at her desk texting away. And since her iMes­sage account was tied to both her phone and her laptop, which she must not have even considered, I could inadvertently see every conversation she was having.

    I’m just wondering why no one cares about secure communications anymore. Shouldn’t they be seizing all of these devices?

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    bemused says:

    Re: Kushner news. It’s hard to wrap my mind around the total absence of reality from trump, his family and just about everyone surrounding him. Whopping delusion goes hand in hand with massive privilege issues.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Barbara: re anti-vaxxers:

    And they’re better parents and better stewards of their children too. In their tiny minds.

    Because they won’t subject their preciouses to to all those chemicals. Big Pharma!

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    Kay says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    That book excerpt reveals what I think we knew- Trump himself is the source for the bullshit blind quotes we read.

    They print his lies and we don’t even know the lies are coming from him, so we can’t even employ the foolproof “Trump said it, so it’s therefore a lie”. We’ve probably gotten a full 50% more lies than even we know. Their “source” in the White House is the president. Who is a liar. Good God.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    His Hyper-Realistic Fingernail Tattoo Went Viral. Now He Plans to Help More People

    On Tuesday, Mark Bertram walked into Eric Catalano’s tattoo shop in Hecker, Illinois, with a uncommon request: fingernail tattoos. Eleven minutes later, Catalano finished his work. There, on the smooth skin that caps the surgically shortened ring and middle fingers of Bertram’s left hand, were two brand-new fingernails.

    Bertram had lost both fingers to the first knuckle after the digits were caught in an air conditioner’s belt fan last year. But the tattoos made it look like his nubs were full fingers.

    “Oh,” he told Catalano, looking at the speedy ink work. “Those are really nice.”

    When looking, one doesn’t just do a double take, it’s a triple-quadruple take.

    In the days since the photos of the fingernail work went viral, Catalano says he’s been swamped with messages, not just from other individuals with missing fingers and toes, but people asking about belly buttons and nostrils.

    “I’m not really sure where the limit is,” he says.

    However, Catalano adds that he is reaching his personal limit. As a matter of principle, he refuses to take money for tattooing nipples and areolas on cancer survivors, and he similarly refused payment from Bertram for the fingernails. Now he’s grappling with hundreds of requests for hyper-realistic tattoos, even as he’s not sure how much more free work he can do while still running a business. To make up the difference, Catalano launched a GoFundMe campaign yesterday with the goal of raising $50,000 to fund free tattoo work for cancer survivors and amputees.

    “I feel terrible charging the people who have already suffered pain and injury or battling life and death,” Catalano wrote in the description of the campaign, which as of this writing has hit $2,200. “They’ve already been through so much.”

    It’s now up to about $5K, definitely a worthy cause if one is so inclined.

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    @raven: Oh good point about the heart monitoring.

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    Kay says:

    I live in the middle of nowhere and I don’t make “deals” with fancy people, but I do engage in a lot of negotiations in the course of my work – daily, hourly, some days and I have literally never encountered this Trump Family approach that involves bragging loudly about what a great “dealmaker” you are while failing, week after week, to get a deal on anything. I haven’t encountered a single person who does that- not a lawyer, not a litigant, not a mediator, not privately and not publicly. It must be very high powered and limited to the very biggest, most stupendous “deals”.

    I’m going to a mediation this morning. I’ll keep looking for an example, but so far I don’t think this is real. This might happen only in movies and now, in the White House.

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    rikyrah says:

    Wonderful idea.
    Good Morning, you Dear Guy..
    You are in my prayers 🙏
    Please be in comfort.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Odie Hugh Manatee:
    That got me too😢😢😢

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    OzarkHillbilly says:


    I haven’t encountered a single person who does that- not a lawyer, not a litigant, not a mediator, not privately and not publicly. It must be very high powered and limited to the very biggest, most stupendous “deals”.

    No, it’s because the worst you deal with is mere simpletons, not complete and utter morons,

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    rikyrah says:


    👸🏿Crystal4Obama✊🏿 (@crystal4obama) Tweeted:
    1. I am tired already of these uninformed views of Kamala Harris. Our own Folks are so quick to dog a Black Woman, but don’t question these white folks running running our country into the ground. If fact, you make $ or expand your platforms off chaos and complaints.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Phoenix police say a licensed practical nurse has been arrested on a charge of sexual assault in the impregnation of an incapacitated woman who gave birth last month at a long-term healthcare facility.

    The Phoenix police chief, Jeri Williams, said on Wednesday investigators arrested 36-year-old Nathan Sutherland on one count of sexual assault and one count of vulnerable adult abuse. Williams said Sutherland worked at the Hacienda HealthCare facility where the woman lived and had been providing care to her.

    The 29-year-old victim has been incapacitated since the age of three and gave birth to a boy at the facility on 29 December. Employees said they had no idea she was pregnant. Court records say her last known physical examination was in April.

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    JPL says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: I wonder what would happen if you had the watch on while traipsing through the snow.

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    Mark Damico says:

    Trump is out of his league here. Pelosi knew she held the only card that meant anything. If Trump had agreed with her right away…said “Yes, we shouldn’t have the SOTU until the government is open.” he would have looked magnanimous…like a leader…like a President. AND he would have blunted the backlash from his tantrum about trying to do it anyway. But Pelosi KNEW he wouldn’t do that. She KNEW he would try to bully his way to getting what he wanted. She KNEW he couldn’t act like a real President.
    To paraphrase a line from Jerry Maguire…She had him at hello.

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    MomSense says:


    Oh no! Damn that is scary.

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    @rikyrah: The irrational reaction to Kamala Harris suggests she’s a frighteningly strong candidate. Go, Kamala!

    @JPL: I wondered that same thing. I suspect it would have been hooting alarms, or whatever it does.

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    Ken says:


    I want one of those coins!

    Are they real, or just a photoshopped image?

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    @Ken: I clicked on the pics in the Tapper tweet and I don’t see a pacifier, but I might not be looking in the right place. I did see a banner that reads “Shit happens.”

    ETA: Oh wait. Now I see it in the margin on the lower right. I had to go to Twitter and click, not try to do it from this post.

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    matt says:

    Boy I don’t know. Federal employees who are showing up to work thinking they’ll get back pay, with Trump’s track record.. People ought to watch out for themselves a little better.

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    zhena gogolia says:


    He appeared on the Schlemazel thread.

    Hi, Schlemazel — I’ve been thinking of you and praying for you every day. We miss you!

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    JPL says:

    @matt: Congress passed and he signed a bill stating that they would receive back pay.. He might try, but won’t be able to.

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    NonyNony says:


    “She said to me she still thinks she made the right choice – the vaccine would have been more harmful.”

    She has to continue to think that. Because if she didn’t then she murdered her child through her negligence.

    The vaccine has to be worse, because the alternative is too terrible to contemplate.

    This is what a lot of the fear and paranoia around vaccination is. Your child has autism – it can’t be a thing that just happens, and if it’s genetic or even developmental that makes it your “fault” to some degree. But if the vaccine manufacturers are doing something that hurts children to make a profit – ah NOW you have a Devil you can blame! And that makes it neither a random event nor your fault – it’s their fault!

    Personally I accept a worldview were shit just happens and sometimes there’s nothing we can do about it. But I can see how that would be scarier for some than the world where Someone is out to Get them through nefarious means. Random shit happening can’t really be stopped, but you can at least hope that nefarious actors might someday be brought to justice.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @NonyNony: Denial is not a river in Egypt.

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    MomSense says:

    Good morning, Schlemazel. I hope you are feeling comfortable and less confused. We are carrying on here, blasting our mockery through the interwebs. Anne Laurie has mastered the art of posting things to inspire our vitriol. This morning she posted photos of a new challenge coin the Secret Service made. It features a closed sign on government and a tiny little pacifier. I don’t think the man baby in Chief noticed or he’d be twooping (tweeting on the toilet) non stop by now. I hope you find comfort from a visit with your niece Laura. We’ve already welcomed her into the pack. Sending a hug to you.

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    Schlemazel, we miss you. We struggle on with jackal snark as best we can.

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    chopper says:


    i’m amazed that the WH thinks they can split the caucus by talking to ‘moderate’ dems in the house after watching pelosi completely posterize trump. who goes after the queen when she’s at the peak of her power?

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @MomSense: Dear Schlemazel – What MomSense said. We miss you and send you love and hugs.

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    bemused says:


    Trump and family believe they are superlatively special people who can do whatever they want to do, a one of kind species.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @chopper: It speaks to how immune to facts and logic their bubble is

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    Immanentize says:

    Also, didn’t they notice how thoroughly Nancy SMASH took out the frat boy opposition? You’ld think Team Trump would see how the House is opperating. But of course not. No one has broken yet. Is Kushner going to try out and out cash bribes?

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    bemused says:


    Any news on the child, health and if he will be adopted?

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    laura says:

    Schlemazel, sending you some love today.
    Rest in comfort dear heart.
    You are missed.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @bemused: No. I suspect the child is with the mother’s family.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    Good morning, Shlemazel. Hope they are keeping you comfortable. We’ve been having a little laugh watching Nancy Pelosi wipe the floor with Trump. Probably the first time he’s been useful for something. Still, we miss your distinctive take on events.

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    SFBayAreaGal says:

    Dear Schlemazel – Lots of love and hugs to you and your family.

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    Mary G says:

    Shlemazel , your niece Laura is a wonderful person, and we appreciate her letting us know how you’re doing. We miss you very much.

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    Barbara says:

    @Elizabelle: Or, in other words: “my children are more important than yours.”

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    Sebastian says:


    Of course she does. She knows she killed her own child, saying it out loud would mean to accept it and I don’t think thatbis possible. She’ll either go nuts or kill herself. There is very little in between.

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    Frankensteinbeck says:

    Bear in mind that Kushner is profoundly stupid and egotistical. His entire modus operandi is to say a buzzword and then pat himself on the back for his own genius. This is the kind of strategy he will assume is brilliant and only he can pull off. He will probably be unaware he failed.

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    Sebastian says:


    Dude, my ex is a NURSE and keeps spouting bullshit how the flu vaccine is useless.

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    Sebastian says:


    Schlemazel, buddy. What MomSense said. Sending you love and hugs, hang in there bud! We are holding the fort for you. Come back soon!

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    TomatoQueen says:

    Good morning to you Schlemazel, thinking of you every day.

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    Kayla Rudbek says:

    @RAVEN: try wiping it down with rubbing alcohol

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @RAVEN: Here’s an (untested) suggestion from “Who Knew? 10,001 Easy Solutions to Everyday Problems”:

    …[P]lace the offending clothes in a bucket of cold water, add a can of cola & a cup of baking soda, soak overnight, then line dry outside if possible. If there is still any odor left just wash as usual & it should be gone,

    And if you lay a hot dog on top of the cloth, you’ll produce Frankfurt On Der Odor…

    (I’ll let myself out now…)

    Srsly, if you try this, let us know if it works.

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    The Pale Scot says:


    the pacifier

    Oh Damn.. whoever it designed deserves a bonus

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Kay: why, it’s almost as if all that “But her emails!” noise was bullshit from beginning to end, isn’t it?

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    satby says:

    @MomSense: @O. Felix Culpa: @Mary G: Schlemazel, adding my own miss you and sending love and hugs from Mexico. Know the jackals think of you and wish you were online with us every day. We miss your voice, and think you were really strong going through all you have. Much love to you, my friend.

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