Late Night Clown Car Open Thread: 2020 Racetrack Edition

Meanwhile, Cosplay Socialist Michael Tracey, not content with having been backhanded by one strong woman

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    gwangung says:

    Mr. Tracey has been using a backhoe to dig his way to China.


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    Brent Wilson says:

    Well its true that “African American” is not a very precise term but

    1. Not sure why thats an especially useful point about identity or anything else
    2. its not as if Jamaicans don’t originally descend from Africa as well

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    West of the Rockies says:

    As of right now, I am all in for Kamala Harris.

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    Mary G says:

    She discombobulates asshole men almost as much as AOC does. I can’t wait to see her wipe the floor with Jake Tapper’s foolishness.

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    Emerald says:

    I like Kamala but haven’t been ready to really commit to her—however, I gotta say she’s drawing fire from all the right enemies. They’re scared of her. I’m thinking that’s for a good reason.

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    Chitown Kev says:

    @Brent Wilson: As an ethnic term, African American is actually very precise; it designates a person of African descent born in the United States and speaks to a very specific experience.

    (Yes, I know that, ultimately, everyone is of African descent)

    Personally, I’ve always self-identified as “black” but as a term of etnicity (as opposed to “race”) African American is a meaningful term)

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    Amir Khalid says:

    I presume Kamala Harris’ Jamaican father is black, which in my book makes her claim of African heritage perfectly legitimate.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    I will channel rikyrah for a moment since she’s probably sleeping the sleep of the just right now:

    Kamala Harris went to Howard University where she was an Alpha Kappa Alpha. No Black person will question for a second whether or not she’s African-American.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Chitown Kev:
    I’ve heard that the very white Charlize Theron qualifies as an African-American because she was born in Africa (to white South African parents) and is a naturalised American.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Chitown Kev:

    She’s an AKA who went to Howard.

    She’s African-American.

    (I’m a white girl from the North Shore who came out to CA to go to USC, and even I know what being an AKA means.)

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    Chitown Kev says:

    @Mnemosyne: I know all of that…as I said, being African American speaks to a specific experience and you can’t get more African American than that.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Yeah, no. The person who told you that was pulling your leg. Either that, or it was one of the same confused people who insist that Indian-Americans live on reservations in America.

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    Chitown Kev says:

    @Amir Khalid: Nope…it speaks to a very specific American experience and Theron wouldn’t know anything about that.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Chitown Kev:

    I mostly know these things because rikyrah and lamh36 (along with several others) explain them to me and I say, “Yes, ma’am.” 😂

    But I did know the significance of the AKA thing when I was at ‘SC in the early ’90s and that it was a HUGE deal and point of pride.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Would an American of, say, Moroccan heritage qualify as African-American, or do their African roots have to be from south of the Sahara?

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    Chitown Kev says:

    @Mnemosyne: It is…now what I usually think of AKA’s…well…that’s rooted in the African American experience too but I’m making an exception for Kamala Harris.

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @Chitown Kev: I take your point about what “African-American” denotes. I woiuld think, though , that Sen. Harris, like President Obama, would identify as African-American for one simple reason: their opponents certainly identify them as such. all thru their lives, they’ve been identified as such.

    And I don’t think it’s opportunistic for (e.g.) President Obama to identify as African-American: when your opponents and haters throughout your life identify you as X [and oppose/hate you precisely *because* of that], and your greatest support comes from X [who accept you as an X], and the only reason you’re not one of X is an accident of birth, it’s hard to not end up identifying as X.

    Am I barking up the wrong tree?

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    Chitown Kev says:

    @Amir Khalid: Depends on how they look…many Americans are dumb enough to lump Iranians and Iranian-Americans with Arab Americans on the basis of looks…

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    Wilmer was in South Carolina today, a primary state he says “distorts reality”

    In his remarks he said, “it gives me no great pleasure to say… (he stops and looks down and reads off his notes, without looking up) … that the president is a racist.”

    He needs notes for that?

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    Chitown Kev says:

    @Chetan Murthy: Much of the same stuff applies to Tiger Woods who still does not, at least at the public level, identify as African American…he might have less of a problem with “black”, for some strange reason…

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    Chitown Kev says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch: Yeah, but the people that voted for that racist are NOT racist, according to Wilmer…

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    Barbara says:

    I notice that Tracey doesn’t actually provide a definition himself, just says that KH’s heritage stretches it. It is a very specific kind of race baiting that accuses someone of “passing” as black or white when there is a whole cultural context that originated in the idea that ANY African heritage “tainted” your identity. And he is the one who will probably accuse her of playing identity politics.

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    hervevillechaizelounge says:

    The only Michael Tracey I’m aware of is the British professor / Jonbenet Ramsey-family apologist, who is also a troll.

    It took me an embarrassingly long time to figure out that the tweet was from a different asshole Michael Tracey. We need to stop making awful people famous.

    Also, anyone who trots out the whole “just askin’ questions” bad faith bullshit needs to be fed slowly into a meat grinder genitals first.

    Pudgy white male can’t even let a woman claim her own ethnicity:{ Can we call this race-splaining?

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    According to the EEOC, African-American means derived from one of the black races of Africa, so Charlize Theron does not qualify.

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    Baud says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch:

    AOC got a lot of buzz for saying it, so he decided to jump on that train. Whatever. It’s true, so I hope he keeps saying it.

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    Baud says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Using the law to settle disputes. Typical lawyer move.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Chitown Kev: as i recall, Tiger is half Asian, a quarter white and a quarter black. And he went to Stanford and was once the world’s greatest golfer, so he may possibly not have had the same “black” experience as other people.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Baud: ha! I yam what I yam.

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    JR says:

    @Brent Wilson: Jamaica is also part of the Americas

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    Ken says:

    @Chitown Kev:

    (Yes, I know that, ultimately, everyone is of African descent)

    Actually my people descend from the Golgafrincham “B” Ark.

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    SFAW says:

    I, too, was wondering who the fuck Mikeal Tracey is, and why I should give a fuck what (presumably) yet-another RWMF says regarding race, in any context. [Unless it’s to relate that he’s had an epiphany, and realized that he’s a been racist asshole for most of his life, vowing that he’s changed, and acting appropriately on that purported change, to (try to) atone for his past behaviors.] Since much of my day will be occupied with important work, such as watching the snow melt here in central MA, I don’t think I’ll be able to find the time to look him up. Because why bother my bee-yoo-tee-ful mind with his bullshit? Or something.

    And a version of the Charlize Theron thing was semi-popular when Margaret Marshall became Chief Justice of the MA Supreme Court [“She’s a African American, but she’s white, libtard, so SUCK ON IT HUR HUR!” ]

    I sometimes wish George Orr would dream of a RWMF-free world/universe

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    SFAW says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch:

    He needs notes for that?

    He was translating from Russian, and he’s not as fluent as some of our esteemed jackals, so he had to take a few seconds.

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    SFAW says:

    @Chetan Murthy:

    Am I barking up the wrong tree?

    In a country where being an octoroon was reason enough to deny someone his/her rights, no, you’re not. But you already knew that (I hope).

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    kindness says:

    I think Kamala’s history as a prosecutor is a plus in that she uses it so well when questioning people in her job as a Senator. She shreds them while smiling sweetly. It’s funny that here and elsewhere I see many liberals suggest they can’t support her because of her past profession. I find that weird. Not every cop is an asshole. Same deal with prosecutors. Hint: If you find one that is on your side, especially if they are a good one, don’t shit on them. It is poor form and your Mamas taught you better.

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    Callisto says:

    In general culture, the term African American can be imprecise, there certainly is a bit of I-know-it-when-I-see-it in it.

    Of course, in Harris’ case, we know it and we see it. Make it easy; ask a black person. We all see Harris and say “of course she is”.

    These people did the same thing with Obama. Oh, he’s half white, he’s Halfrican, is he really black? It’s garbage.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @SFAW: He’s one of the class-not-race wannabe-left basically-trolls who surfaced on Twitter to jostle for position among the Sandernista zealots. About his only redeeming value is that his first name is not a last name like the vast majority of his douchey compatriots, who have names like Hunter and Walker and Hamilton and, so help me God, “Brogan.”

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    VOR says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    I’ve heard that the very white Charlize Theron qualifies as an African-American because she was born in Africa (to white South African parents) and is a naturalised American.

    During the 2004 Presidential campaign, John Kerry’s wife Teresa Heinz Kerry referred to herself as an African-American. She was born in what is now Mozambique but was a Portuguese colony at the time.

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    Chitown Kev says:

    @Ken: But Jamaicans don’t typically identify themselves as “African American” any more than, say, Afro-Brazilians…nor do many other black people of recent Caribbean descent…African American is an ethnic term for black people born in the US and with a specific US experience…now Kamala’s father would not have had any trouble identifying as black.

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    Chitown Kev says:

    My final word on this…and I don’t know why I started this at the time of the morning that I did…

    Michael Tracey is nowhere near competent enough to discuss the topic in question, the overwhelming number of white people in this country are unappreciative of the required nuance, and the man has a bad agenda…the topic of “ethnicity” within black communities in America is a fascinating one, though.

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