MAGAt Scions vs. Peace Warrior Nathan Phillips: I Blame the Parents

Apparently there is a volk custom where busloads of milk-fed suburban high schoolers are shipped into Washington DC every year to bulk up the numbers at the “National Right to Abuse Women Life March.” The teenagers, of course, treat this event with all the seriousness they accord every field trip. It’s up to the chaperones to ensure the kids, in their youthful exuberance, don’t forget the moral codes and social boundaries their parents have done their best to instill.

By that standard, the adults around Nick Sandmann and his peers seem to have failed in their duty of care.

Self-respecting adults don’t go into a public place and treat strangers this way. And if the Covington Catholic parents haven’t been able to get that simple concept across to their offspring, for whatever reasons, they need to provide better supervision than that of Monseigneur HereForTheGrift and Coach StandsWithAThumbUp.

Most succinct summary I’ve seen so far, from Josh Marshall at TPM:

A Native American group (The Indigenous People’s March) had marched to the Memorial earlier earlier in the day. Later a group of teenage boys from a Catholic High School in Covington, Kentucky were also there. They were in town for the March for Life, an anti-abortion march. They had apparently congregated at the Memorial as a staging point to wait for buses to leave. While these two very different things were happening, there was a third much smaller group of so-called “Black Israelites” – maybe half a dozen men – who had been there seemingly for most of the day haranguing both groups…

In any case, at some point late in the afternoon, the Black Israelites are yelling at the High School kids and vice versa. The more aggressive language, at least at the start, is coming from the Black Israelites, using homophobic slurs and using the N-word directed at one of the High Schoolers who’s African-American (seemingly the only one.) It’s not totally clear to me who started what here. But you’ve got the hyper-aggressive black supremacist group and this crowd of white high school boys in MAGA hats. So I’m not sure much of a spark was needed.

It’s this situation Phillips described as getting out of control when he decided to intervene to settle things down or at least try to put himself between the two groups. Phillips walks between the two groups and into the group of students. The group of students parts around him and pretty quickly he’s surrounded by high school students who are variously laughing, jeering and chanting. The one student whose face you’ve no doubt seen doesn’t move aside like the others and that’s where you have the standoff captured in the original viral video.

As this is happening, the kids surrounding the two are taunting Phillips and laughing and variously goofing off like high school guys do. The entire tableau is defined by the fact that Phillips, the Native American elder with a dark complexion, is surrounded by lily white teens probably half of whom are wearing MAGA caps. They’re all laughing, taunting and doing ‘tomahawk chops’ in response to Phillips. I’ve seen various people claiming in the light of the new videos that the kids might simply be milling around or laughing uncomfortably or even chanting in unison with Phillips’ drumming. That’s a stretch by any definition and the ‘tomahawk chop’ hand motions put any such claims to rest. It’s already a pretty riled up situation. But it’s crystal clear their reaction to Phillips is one of jeering and racial taunting…

One side note that probably deserves more attention. There were apparently chaperones with the boys. Again, these are high school students on a school trip. Whatever you think of the rest of it, all the videos show numerous points at which adults should have intervened but apparently didn’t…

The Covington Catholic parents have failed their kids, not to mention all the people who’ll have to interact with those kids for the rest of their lives. Retroactive squid-clouds of butthurt about imagined ‘Black Muslims’ and public-relations we’re-the-real-victims-here statements are no substitute for ethical training. (Which training is, if IIRC from my own twelve years in parochial school, supposed to be why parents pay to send their kids to parochial schools in the first place. Or at least that’s what’s stated on the masthead.)






100 replies
  1. 1
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    That little twerp has a very Backpfeifengesicht

    Fuck the Covington Catholic Klansmen.

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    Princess says:

    So I recently learned that some Catholic parishes (and maybe dioceses?) are making participation in the March for Life or other anti-abortion events a requirement for confirmation. That’s one reason there are so many teens at that thing. Learning this made me feel sick.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    My dad the other night noted that the smirking MAGt kid looked like Nascar’s Joey Logano. The resemblance is actually pretty eerie.

    I also loved how the chaperone Val something or other tried the conspiracy theory route. No wonder these brats are the way they are; the adults in their lives aren’t any better and refuse to take responsibility for their actions.

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    Quinerly says:

    I posted this yesterday. A Covington alum (18 years old) charged with rape and sodomy in December.
    https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/local/northern-ky/2018/12/11/former-covcath-player-xavier-commit-charged-rape-sodomy/2283381002/

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    Rommie says:

    I’ve been told by my betters that the Kids did nothing wrong from extended video, and shut it, Libs. Well, OK. /s x10

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    Aleta says:


    Each year, students join other Catholic high schools in the area who routinely send busloads of students to the March for Life in Washington, often canceling class so that students can go.

    Historically, ahead of the march, the Diocese of Covington publicly prints the name of every Catholic who opposes abortion rights in a multiple-page ad for The Cincinnati Enquirer, listed by parish or school, and includes the names of minors.

    A parent at a neighboring Catholic school, Michael Schwartz, recalled his frustration when his son’s school printed his name, even though his son had decided not to attend.

    “The peer group pressure on these kids is enormous,” Mr. Schwartz said. “I feel the diocese should not be putting these kids in what has become potentially more contentious situations, as the inevitable protests to these ‘Right to Life’ marches increase.”

    (NYT)

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    jl says:

    I don’t have time to sort all this out, watch what it has been said to be hours of video.
    I think Phillips did a good thing by trying to diffuse what was becoming an ugly situation between the HS students and the Black Israelites (who I’ve never heard of before).

    Phillips, apparently a Marine combat veteran, tried to do a good (and perhaps important and needed) deed, and that rarely goes unpunished. If it weren’t for him, we might be reading about some BS fight between the HS students and the Black Israelites.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    I went to a Jesuit high school. If any of us had behaved this way, even if a plausible alternative explanation could be provided, we would still have likely faced expulsion. And if expelled, I would expect that the Catholic kids diocesan and parish leadership would have been alerted with a recommendation for prolonged remedial penance. One final note: it wouldn’t have mattered if there were chaperones there. One day I was late for school. When I was a freshman, so it was well before I could drive. My mom who was dropping me off that day had some sort of emergency that morning, don’t know if it was a flat tire or dead battery or what it was. Regardless, because I was coming in late I had to swing by the office and sign in. My mom decided to accompany me to explain so I wouldn’t be held responsible. She got three words out before the executive assistant to the principal and the prefect of discipline (assistant principal for discipline) cut her off and said: “It doesn’t matter. Your son is the student here, not you. He is responsible for getting to school on time, not you to get him here on time. I will pass the circumstances on, but he will have to face the repercussions for being late.” To this day my mom will occasionally tell this story to explain just what type of school I’d decided I wanted to go to. I don’t think I received anything other than a warning not to be late again.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    @jl:

    Phillips, apparently a Marine combat veteran,

    Per discussion downstairs, he may not have seen any combat as that hasn’t been confirmed. He’s probably a Marine veteran. Not that it honestly matters. What those teens did was awful and Phillips was trying to protect them.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Aleta: Perhaps that explains their exemplary behavior towards women:

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    How come you decided to go to a Jesuit HS, if you don’t mind my asking?

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    Ohio Mom says:

    I said this in an earlier thread: growing up in NYC, I was taught to firmly ignore and walk away from rabble-rousers, panhandlers, anyone invading your space (though we didn’t have that way of expressing it), or making you feel weird or uncomfortable.

    City life is full of oddballs because it’s full of people. Just disappear into the crowd and go on your way.

    Clearly something these suburban yokels, both juvenile and adult, have no idea about. The video of them taunting the Black Hebrews is astonishing. What makes anyone think that is acceptable behavior? They were acting nuttier than the nuts.

    Blocking the drummer falls in the same category. Walk away. The Mall is a big open space, lots of directions to walk in.

    That’s not to say there wasn’t tons of arrogance, racism-informed bravado, and all-around assholeness fueling their behavior, that goes without saying. It’s just saying that ought to stick to the suburbs, they’re not fit for anywhere else.

    The only decent thing Nick Sandman has done is out himself; the kid who was mistakenly doxxed is now cleared and spared.

    Tbogg tweeted he didn’t know if he was looking at a remake of Deliverance or Lord of the Flies.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: There were several reasons. They included that it was one of the top schools not only in the area, but in the state at the time. Another was that since I’m a religious minority living in a country where the majority is some form of Christian, it made sense to learn something about them. And what better way than to go to one of their schools. I had been sent to a Jewish day school. I had no say in that. I did have a say in where I was going to high school. I also went to a Methodist university.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Adam L Silverman: What are they shouting?

    See, that women knows how to comport herself in an urban environment. Stay cool and go on your way.

    Much better approach than taking your shirt off and dancing around, which is what one of those twerps did in front of the Black Hebrew Israelites (or whatever they call themselves).

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Ohio Mom: Kentucky is a stand your ground state. There is never a reason to back off and go on about your business in Kentucky. Or at least there isn’t if you’re white.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Ohio Mom: There’s a MAGA!!! in there. Also, I think something about the young women’s appearance and to come over to where the boys are. It was hard to make it all out and I listened to it several times. The young women clearly were not amused by what was said to them/at them.

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    cain says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    He is responsible for getting to school on time, not you to get him here on time. I will pass the circumstances on, but he will have to face the repercussions for being late.” To this day my mom will occasionally tell this story to explain just what type of school I’d decided I wanted to go to. I don’t think I received anything other than a warning not to be late again.

    Oh man.. if he had said that to my father.. it would have been WW3. He would have given them a dress down they would never soon forget. He doesn’t take disrespect very well.

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    AThornton says:

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    AFV – Armored Fighting Vehicle – can be wheeled as the M-8 or tracked as in the Sturmgeschütz III

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    zhena gogolia says:

    Good tweet by a certain Jeff Tiedrich:

    I’ll take a thousand migrants willing to walk 2,000 miles across a desert in hopes of a making a better life in America over one privileged smirking insolent snot-nose MAGA hat-wearing teenage dipshit asshole any day of the week and twice on Sunday

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @cain: It was a she. Mrs. McCauley. She was a 5’11 tall, 50 some odd year old Irish-American woman. She took no prisoners. And, no disrespect, especially as I don’t know him, she would’ve bounced your dad around like a basketball if he had even said boo to her. And she was one of the best, most compassionate people I’ve ever met in my life. But the rules were the rules. And they were enforced. The Jesuits could not make us into “men for others” if we didn’t learn, sometimes quite painfully, to be responsible.

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    chopper says:

    watched the video and all i could think was fuckin’ brett kavanaugh. fuck.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    Am I the only one starting to wish that Phillips had chosen to stay the hell out of it and just let those white boys take their lumps at the hands of the black supremicist group? I’m only half-kidding.

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    Brendan in NC says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: Joey Logano was my first thought, too!!! He’s got that same facial structure, and smirk!!!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @AThornton:

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    Mai Naem mobile says:

    Sandmann is a junior so I am guessing he either 17 or 18. Chances are there were seniors in that group who have attended the MFL before. That means they’ve seen these oddball groups you see during protests. I do not believe that this was something new and they didn’t know how to act. Also his statement doesn’t sound like it’s coming from a HS student. It’s either his mom, a PR crisis person or a lawyer who wrote it.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Miss Bianca: No. No good deed goes unpunished. And this one most certainly won’t.

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    satby says:

    I’m in the “fuck those entitled little bullies” camp. You learn not to be a harassing bully asshole before high school if you’ve got decent parents.
    They’re a bunch of mean little shits, and I hope the repercussions make them suffer.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @cain:

    Oh man.. if he had said that to my father.. it would have been WW3. He would have given them a dress down they would never soon forget. He doesn’t take disrespect very well.

    You’re looking at it from the wrong angle; he wasn’t ‘disrespecting’ Adam’s mom, he was demanding Adam man up. Jesuit education is about training ‘warriors for Jesus’, and the first part of that is turning dependent young boys into men who take responsibility for what happens to them. (Imagine a drill sargent asking a new recruit Did your mom sign a permission slip for you to show up late?) If Adam wanted to be a proper student in that Jesuit school, he needed to stop assuming that perfectly reasonable excuses for lateness would be a free pass; he needed to step up and find a way *not to be late again*. And, according to Adam, so he did!

    Whether this is a good way to train up young men is a whole separate issue. I was, by reason of gender, debarred from becoming part of that experience. Although, if I had a nickel for every time one of the Dominican sisters in my own parochial high school said “You’d have made such a fine Jesuit, Anne”… I’d have had a big bag of nickels. (P.S. They did not mean it as a compliment. The Dominicans and the Jesuits have… strong philosophical differences.)

    ETA: Or, what Adam said! I should know by now to read *all* the comments before responding…

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    piratedan says:

    @Mai Naem mobile: the school hired a PR firm to speak for them, coincidentally the same firm has a commentating gig at CNN… shocked, I am not. The official response is PR spin, it seems, they release a “longer” video, say it exonerates them (it doesn’t) and I expect that they’ll move on to projection and attack mode next, following the required counter-top inspections.

    Needless to say, the school is not looking to change their environment, they’re looking to preserve it and that means being MAGA and never admitting guilt, wrongdoing and attributing blame elsewhere…

    Kavanaugh Kits indeed and apparently the chaperones that were there looked on with pride at their work of shaping young minds…

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    Bonnie says:

    That kid’s smile looks more like a smirk to me. He deserves all the negativity that’s going his way.

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    khead says:

    The flying monkey brigade has been all over my FB feed telling me I NEED TO SEE ALL THE VIDEOS FOR CONTEXT!!!

    Ok, well, I saw them. They don’t really help. In fact, I’m pretty sure the only way the additional video(s) helps those kids is if you somehow think the black muslims* made the kid do it after watching the video.

    * – Yes, I know they weren’t black muslims

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    AThornton says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    All I’m seeing is Jesse Ventura yelling about something.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    From Cole’s twitter feed:

    Elizabeth Dias @ elizabethjdias
    Their Catholic identity includes the fight against abortion rights. Every day, when CovCath students recite the Pledge of Allegiance, they amend the end to say, “with liberty and justice for all, born and unborn.”

    ETA: in the video posted above, the little shits are mocking Phillips’ faith. Remember when “faith” was a magic shield against all criticism of Republican politicians? For which I blame Russert.

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    Quinerly says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: Jesuits do a stellar job. No Jesuit HS would have produced this Covington crap. I’m not Catholic (did graduate from a Catholic law school Saint Louis University School of Law)… I put a lot stock in a Jesuit HS education. Saint Louis University High School here in St. Louis is top notch, scandal free, and was integrated (lots of scholarships) long before the public schools in St. Louis were… at least that’s what I have been told. It has remained at its original inner city campus and resisted moving to a better area….very committed to diversity and to the city…..and to soccer. 💜

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    rikyrah says:

    Balthazar Thudpucker (@BalthazarThudp) Tweeted:
    @kylegriffin1 This whole “Shutdown” is an orchestrated and choreographed defenestration or”de-population” of the federal government. By forcing people to find to become economically desperate to obtain alternate work or retire early. The right is gambling many won’t return to work.

    https://twitter.com/BalthazarThudp/status/1087401433043894272?s=17

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    Jay says:

    The values the school teaches are:

    – sexual abuse of children,
    – rape,
    – forced birtherism,
    – Mysogeny,
    – racism,
    – bullying,
    – blackface,
    – victimhood,
    – homophobia,
    – Nazism,
    – Holocaust denial,
    – white mare privledge,

    Quite the bundle if heartland values.

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    Thanks for this AL – the MSM trying to reframe this had really upset me today.

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    rikyrah says:

    Those teens had no home training.😡😡

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    rikyrah says:

    If that had been a White elderly veteran, and a group of Black teenagers had rolled up on him…They would all be in the jail, trying to come up with bail.😒😒

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    khead says:

    @Miss Bianca:

    Actually, I think this is a very under reported/discussed part of the story. There’s no way those kids would’ve stepped an inch towards the black folks that were fucking with them. Too scared. So the kids chose a more convenient target instead in Mr. Phillips.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    You, Jerry Brown and others are living proof the Jesuits can produce decent human beings equipped with a good education and mental outlook. Some of the other sects, not so much.

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    Quinerly says:

    @rikyrah: Did you see Rachel’s very first segment tonight?

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    Jay says:

    BTW, there’s now a shitload of HR departments that will “straight to roundfile” any applications from anybody who lists Covington as their High School, no matter their age or graduating year.

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @Quinerly:

    Jesuits do a stellar job. No Jesuit HS would have produced this Covington crap.

    By contrast: https://www.gprep.org/about/mission

    Mission
    Founded in 1789, Georgetown Preparatory School is America’s oldest Catholic boarding and day school for young men in grades 9 through 12, and the only Jesuit boarding school in the country. Situated on 90 acres in suburban Washington, D.C., Prep’s mission is to form men of competence, conscience, courage, and compassion; men of faith and men for others.

    Jesuit Mission and Identity
    Georgetown Prep is part of a rich heritage of Jesuit education – one that began in 1789 when Archbishop John Carroll, the first bishop of Baltimore, founded his Academy on the Patowmack.

    Since then, the vision for Jesuit education has expanded and is now shared by more than 50 other Jesuit high schools in the United States.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Ohio Mom: We have more context from one of the young women in that group:

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    MCA1 says:

    I’m going to go out on a limb and guess Covington’s not a Jesuit high school.

    I recently had occasion to come across Covington Catholic. My wife’s cousin’s son is on the basketball team at a local school, which is, incidentally, a Jesuit high school. It’s located in an extremely wealthy area but draws from feeder schools throughout Chicagoland. So it’s pretty racially integrated for around here, and every student I’ve met there is respectful, kind and inquisitive about the world outside their bubble. It’s an exemplary place, and the sort of behavior on display out of the Kentucky kids is almost unimaginable to me out of Loyola kids.

    Anyway, they were in a hoops tournament down in Florida over New Year’s, and long story short I’m even more glad now than I was at the time that they took down Covington in the title game. We were all actually surprised at how mediocre they were, given they were the reigning state champs from Kentucky. Not like they don’t know their hoops there or something.

    Odd side note, Marjorie Stoneman Douglas HS was in this tournament, too. Weird that the two American high schools most central to national news over the last 12 months were both among the 16 teams in this one tournament.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Anne Laurie: It was a she. I didn’t actually ask my mom to come in and make an excuse, she just did, and overall it was fine.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Jay:

    Mysogeny

    ??

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @piratedan: The lawyer they hired is the same one that Holocaust denier Chuck C. Johnson hired. (not the Little Green Footballs guy)

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Robot Chicken: GI Joe vs the Taliban

    Jihad Joe, the Taliban’s Greatest Hero (WTC playset not included)

    In Australian accent: “Let’s crush the Western infidel!”

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    Mike in NC says:

    I attended a parochial grammar school in Boston (Roxbury) through grade 6, then my parents decided to move to another part of the city (Hyde Park) where the closest school to home was public. For some reason my records never got transferred over to the public school administration, so it was like I never went to school for grades 1 through the 5. Very weird. This was back in the mid-60s.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Brendan in NC:
    He totally does! I’m not a Nascar fan by any stretch but he has a recognizable face.

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    stinger says:

    @AThornton: And the most common method of transportation in the Army — LPCs.

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    Jay says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Spellcheck hates humans.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Quinerly:
    The Jesuits sound all right.
    @Adam L Silverman:
    Thanks. It’s important to understand other cultures and religions, especially when you live in a diverse society.

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    Aleta says:

    @Adam L Silverman: You probably saw this: https://www.thecut.com/2019/01/staring-down-the-the-maga-teens-at-indigenous-peoples-march.html

    It sounds like “a movement founded on love and grounded in the nobility and dignity of every human life” turned into a need for weaker targets as soon as the boys began arriving in the mall.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @AThornton: You’re not getting a 1980s Hasbro commercial for their GI Joe APC toy?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Quinerly: Brett Kavanaugh went to a Jesuit high school.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Adam L Silverman: From the tweet:

    THESE BOYS AREN’T VICTIMS. THEY ARE HARASSERS. THEY ARE ABUSERS.

    Of course they are. They always are.

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    Mike in NC says:

    @MCA1: I didn’t know who Marjorie Stoneman Douglas was until we watched The American Experience on PBS the other night, where they had an excellent documentary called “The Swamp”, about the history of the Everglades. Highly recommended. The governor of Florida in the first decade of the 20th century was named Napoleon Bonaparte Broward, and he was a strict segregationalist who seriously wanted to expel all of the African-American people from the state. They removed a statue of him a couple of years ago. He was Trump before Trump!

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    Quinerly says:

    @Chetan Murthy: 💚
    As I have said.. Not Catholic, no desire to be Catholic. Several Catholic boyfriends, though.
    I’ll add… I’m bit of a Jesuit groupie. 😎Have been friends (happy hour drinks, music events) with 3 older Jesuit priests over the years… one affiliated with my old law school and maintained that friendship close to 30 years until his death. Great conversations, fun times. Pretty sure all three were Democrats. They certainly all seemed accepting of me when I casually admitted to them that I was of the Druid persuasion. 😈 Didn’t judge me or attempt to convert me.😎

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    That’s horrible. These morons don’t even know how to interact with girls apparently. They’re perfect strangers. Whoever said they were looking to provoke a fight were right.

    Patriot Prayer, the Proud Boys, and these Covington assholes are all the same. They’re violent thugs would love to harm and kill their enemies so they provoke.

    Also, the girl recording said “baka” at the end, I’m pretty sure.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Mike in NC:
    Same. I ended the show really impressed by her accomplishments.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @rikyrah: Yep. And that’s not even counting that with the hiring freeze that the administration put in place back in January 2017, and which has been both formally and informally maintained, the huge glut of impending retirement over the next several years are not being proactively dealt with. There are a lot of folks coming up on retirement. We should’ve been ramping up hiring across the government in order to get their replacements in place so they had time to work with the people they would be replacing so that all that institutional knowledge doesn’t just walk out of a building one day and go off and do something else. Instead, in an attempt to fill a lot of positions, but still maintain even an informal hiring freeze, significant numbers of Federal vacancies can only be filled by current Federal employees or veterans or Federal retirees who are on one of the eligible to return programs. Basically the Federal government is attempting to steal personnel from itself to fill positions. And that was all before the shutdown started.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @trollhattan: I just play a good person on Balloon Juice.

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    Quinerly says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I recline corrected (Poco snuggling, new sofa, testing out my almost finished walk out basement apartment that I have been working on over a year) Guess I erased Brett K. from my memory. I’m still identifying as aJesuit groupie. As with everything, there are exceptions to a rule. 😏

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @MCA1: Covington is not a Jesuit school.

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    hells littlest angel says:

    It’s worth remembering that some of those evil old right-wing Fox News shit-heads are dying off are being replaced by younger versions.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Aleta: I did.

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    Mike in NC says:

    The whole point of the shutdown (shakedown) was to permanently cripple the federal government to the advantage of many right-wing billionaires who resent paying a penny in income taxes.

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    Jay says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷:

    BTDubs, if you’ve seen the American Classic Christmas Film, Die Hard, the “LA Police “RV” that the evil German terrorists toast, is an M8 Greyhound in Armoured Riot Car configuration just like that used in Birmingham.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Quinerly: By and large the Jesuits are some of the best educators out there. I always thought, provided strict guidance was given and adhered to about keeping religion out of it, that a Jesuit would make an excellent Secretary of Education.

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    Aleta says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    (Wapo, this afternoon). Phillips said he and his fellow Native American activists also had issues with the students throughout the day.

    “Before they got centered on the black Israelites, they would walk through and say things to each other, like, ‘Oh, the Indians in my state are drunks or thieves,’” the 64-year-old said. Phillips said he heard students shout, “Go back to Africa!”

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    Jay says:

    @hells littlest angel:

    Not enough Faux slots, ( funny, autocorrect wanted a different word) to hire all the Covington kids,

    Not enough Wingnut welfare for them all.

    Hunger Games?

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Adam L Silverman: weren’t the Berrigan brothers Jesuits? Made a google. Daniel was a Jesuit, Phillip was a Josephite

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    jl says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: OK. Thanks for info. I did watch Phillips statement, and whether he saw combat vet or not, he was extremely impressive. Seems to be the most honest and forthright person in this whole situation, which fits with him having the courage to do what he could to defuse brewing trouble.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Jay:
    Huh. Didn’t know that. I’ve never watched Die Hard, though.

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    Quinerly says:

    @Chetan Murthy: I guess you were making the Brett K. connection that I didn’t catch in all my praise of Jesuit HS. Honestly, I had completely forgotten he went to Georgetown Prep. I seem to remember being startled upon learning it… Honestly, the crazy, bad, bizarre news of the last 2-3 years comes at me so fast that sometimes I find myself questioning my memory and whether I have dreamed some of this shit. I swear every once and awhile I’ll hear someone on TV say, “President Trump” and I stop in my tracks and try to process those words. Still so jarring. It’s like we never get a break from it. I’m on overload and honestly some of this stuff becomes a blur. Brett K. now seems like years ago.

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @Quinerly: I’m not trying to judge or convert you or anybody else. Rather, unless one wants to claim that what Kavanaugh, Judge, and their bros did, is *less* awful than what these Covington imbeciles did, it is *clear* that a Jesuit high school — nay, the *model*, the *prototype* for Jesuit high schools in America — did precisely produce crap that is arguably much, much worse than what we know about Covington.

    Georgetown Prep was a Jesuit high school. Georgetown Prep produced Kavanaugh, Judge, and (from what we’ve heard, and is credible) many others. “What happens at Georgetown Prep stays at Georgetown Prep”.

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    eemom says:

    Let’s not fall all over ourselves to idolize the Jesuits, who are well in line with the fine old Catholic tradition of child molestation.

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    Jay says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷:

    You should. It’s a Christmas Classic. It has Beastie Boys carols, lots of blowed em up and Bruce Willis with hair and a younger Alan Rickman, post Truely, Madly, Deeply and long before he was Snape in Harry Potter.

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    AThornton@gmail.com says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    No GI Joe, just Ventura.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @AThornton@gmail.com: That’s weird.

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    Quinerly says:

    @Chetan Murthy: we are crossed up in our communications here. Some of what I was saying was to be humorous but I find my Druid humor doesn’t translate well here. Wasn’t saying you were trying to convert me. I had truly forgotten about Brett K and the Jesuit education connection. I guess the best way for me to word my praise is that I have been truly impressed by the students I know of produced by 4 scandal free Jesuit HS. And, I miss drinking and going to shows with my old friend, Fr Veltrie, SJ.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @jl:
    No problem. And agreed, Phillips regardless of whether he had a combat record or not he’s very impressive.

    @Jay:
    Maybe I will. I liked Rickman a lot in Galaxy Quest.

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    Mandalay says:

    Bill Maher was defending Sanders and his campaign’s behavior in his show last Friday:

    I guess he took the signals wrong and asked if he could touch her…

    When people are flirting…OK…have we gone completely mad? That everybody has to flirt, or make a move in the exact right way, or you’re a monster?

    He touched her hair was the bottom line of what I read. And of course if someone touches you in any way, and you don’t want it, that is wrong.

    But is it worth destroying Bernie Sanders over? What about just saying “Hey – get your fucking hand out of my hair?”

    To be fair, Maher was shredded by his panelists for his comments, but he truly doesn’t get a damn thing about #metoo. The dude is stuck in 1965.

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    Viva BrisVegas says:

    @Aleta:

    Historically, ahead of the march, the Diocese of Covington publicly prints the name of every Catholic who opposes abortion rights in a multiple-page ad for The Cincinnati Enquirer, listed by parish or school, and includes the names of minors.

    I assume that they also run an even bigger ad listing all those Catholics who oppose the death penalty.

    I heard somewhere that both positions were of equal doctrinal importance.

    I think it was the Pope.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @cain:

    Clearly your father never encountered a priest from the Society of Jesus (aka Jesuits).

    Though, knowing Jesuits, your father would have turned to you and said, “You heard the man!” They have quite an air of authority. Like drill sergeants in clerical attire. 😂

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    By and large the Jesuits are some of the best educators out there.

    As I’m sure you know, the Jesuits are historically where The Troublemakers — the smart, aggressive, back-talking young men considered too valuable to expel and too difficult for ‘ordinary’ educators — have been siphoned off. Some of them would go on to explore the globe, and some of them to commit horrible crimes against humanity. (Sometimes these would be the same people.)

    Among other things, it means that the Jesuit ‘wash-outs’ — men like the Berrigans, Jerry Brown, and Garry Wills — can be really fascinating, effective individuals. Although never easy to live with.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Miss Bianca:

    Nah. It would be even uglier, what with the whining about poor, innocent Catholic schoolboys being unfairly attacked for no reason by evil black Muslims.

    Don’t get me wrong, each of those kids and their chaperones needs an emotionally painful comeuppance, but getting beaten up by Black cult members wouldn’t do it.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @satby:

    Continuing the Jesuits theme, any kid from that school who had a dream of attending Georgetown, Loyola, or any other Jesuit university will have his application unceremoniously shit-canned as soon as they see the name of his school. Jesuits do not play and they will not think this shit was funny or admirable.

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    MCA1 says:

    @Mike in NC: I caught that show last week, too. Fascinating!

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @MCA1:

    My brother went to Loyola in Wilmette, as did Bill Murray and all of his brothers.

    Locally, it’s very well-known that the smart Catholic kids (formerly boys-only, now co-ed) go to Loyola and the dumber ones whose parents think they need a Catholic education go to a local Catholic high school.

    Rick Santorum went to Carmel High School, not Loyola. I rest my case.

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    eemom says:

    @eemom:

    Then again, Father Damien in The Exorcist was a Jesuit.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @eemom:

    Anne Laurie has the most accurate take:

    Some of them would go on to explore the globe, and some of them to commit horrible crimes against humanity. (Sometimes these would be the same people.)

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    Luthe says:

    @Viva BrisVegas: The Catholic Church has many faults, but I applaud its doctrinal consistency in considering abortion and the death penalty to be equally abhorrent. It’s much better than the hypocrisy of the evangelicals who rail against abortion with one breath and cheer on executions with the next.

    Catholic dogma is also very good on the importance of works as a path to salvation, not just faith.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Jay: –

    white mare privledge,

    Hey, I’m down with dissing the rest of those heartland values, but don’t knock white mare privilege! I know some white mares that will *cut* you!

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