Cold Grey Pre-Dawn Open Thread: Rudy Pounds the Table

There’s an old legal proverb: When the facts are on your side, pound the facts. When the law is on your side, pound the law. When neither the facts or the law are on you side — pound the table!

Or it could just be sundowning, but a lifelong grifter like Giuliani would try to make ‘sundowning’ work for him, ala Vincent Gigante.


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  1. 1
    hells littlest angel says:

    CNN should make Giuliani speak with a sheet of clear Plexiglas six inches from his face, so that as he speaks his features are slowly obscured behind a dripping film of spittle.

  2. 2
    Balconesfault says:

    If you follow any right wing media … the crime isn’t that our President is a Russian asset … but that the FBI had the audacity to look into that reality to try to determine why.

  3. 3
    Baud says:

    A couple of months from now: “I didn’t say the President didn’t enter into a criminal conspiracy with Russia. I said he didn’t collude. Completely different.”

  4. 4
    Fair Economist says:

    @Baud: I think Trump already said something like that.

  5. 5
    oatler. says:

    To repeat Cole’s pinned tweet:
    Just imagine if Democrats were doing any of this shit. Any of it.

  6. 6
    El Jeffe says:

    The Mueller She Wrote podcast calls this ‘lubing the truth.’

  7. 7
    Sphouch says:

    Tainting jury pools 101.

  8. 8
    different-church-lady says:

    …but claims Trump did not conspire to hack a server,

    Ah. So Trump conspired to hack a server.

  9. 9
    Snarki, child of Loki says:

    Trump+Giuliani = proof that dementia is infectious.

  10. 10
    chopper says:


    this is standard RW framing. it’s not the crime that’s offensive, it’s the revealing of it. how dare you!

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    sdhays says:

    @different-church-lady: The evidence right now shows that his campaign chairman was funneling campaign polling information to Russia, nothing to do with hacking. If the ASSet directed him to do this or permitted him to do this, it’s still a felony conspiracy. The hacking isn’t what makes all of this illegal.

    Of course, he conspired to hack Hillary’s email server on national television, so there’s that as well.

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    AnotherBruce says:

    It’s amazing to me that hacks like Rudy just will not shut up when it’s against his interest. Being on television is a hell of a drug. It’s apparent that if people would just ignore these cretins, they would wither away.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @sdhays: yeah, but if Rudy says he didn’t do it, that automatically means he did do it.

  14. 14
    hitchhiker says:

    And 30% of voters are still saying they’re definitely planning to vote for him in 2020.

    Some of them are not paying attention to news at all, having been persuaded by their pastors that it’s their duty to elect people who say that abortion is murder.
    Some of them are salivating over a glorious repeat of 2016, having been persuaded by the ugliest of their media that the libs despise them & that there’s nothing better in life than “owning” them.
    Some of them are actively working to undermine the country, for reasons we’ll probably never know.

    There’s some overlap, of course.

    I’m trying to be patient with the various legal processes, and with the various political processes … but I won’t be at home in my own country until all of these people are removed from office, one way or another. Fuckers.

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    Ruckus says:

    Not the brightest bulbs in the box are they?

    Awwww, the theory that when in a hole keep digging. Used by idiots everywhere to prove exactly how dumb they are. Usually proceeded by “Hold my beer and watch this!” But in this case alcohol is not an excuse. Dementia might be but these guys are too demented to use that.

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    Ruckus says:

    I’ve watched it closely, twice. This is what it very often looks like.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    America’s Goombah (C) is cordially invited to go pound sand.. Hopefully Ghouliani will get swept up with the other crooks & live out his days in a trumpsuit (which is what I devoutly hope is very soon the common term for an orange-colored jumpsuit) dining on prison cuisine.

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    Denali says:

    I don’t understand why anyone pays attention to RG. Like T, ignore him. Surely we have better things to do.

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    kindness says:

    I’m going with the Hoarse Whisperer’s take. Rudy is sowing the field so it won’t hurt as much.

    That Republicans in Congress & the msm are still defending Trump’s conduct wrt Putin/Russia is horrifying. That Republicans are covering up bribery, blackmail & graft of Trump/Russian Oligarchs is criminal. I think Mitch is more concerned with covering his own ass as far as Mueller goes.

    Republicans are all using chaos as cover, taking all our eyes off the ball. It’s working with most the msm.

  20. 20
    Chris Johnson says:

    He would only be saying this if Trump literally, repeatedly, brazenly colluded the whole time.

    ‘cos he’s still weaseling out of something much bigger, and look at him now.

  21. 21
    Aleta says:

    In early 2015, a man who runs a small technology company showed up at Trump Tower to collect $50,000 for having helped Michael Cohen, then Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, try to rig online polls in his boss’s favor before the presidential campaign.

    In his Trump Organization office, Mr. Cohen surprised the man, John Gauger, by giving him a blue Walmart bag containing between $12,000 and $13,000 in cash and, randomly, a boxing glove that Mr. Cohen said had been worn by a Brazilian mixed-martial arts fighter, Mr. Gauger said.

    Mr. Cohen disputed that he handed over a bag of cash. “All monies paid to Mr. Gauger were by check,” he said, offering no further comment on his ties to the consultant.

    Mr. Gauger owns RedFinch Solutions LLC and is chief information officer at Liberty University in Virginia, where Jerry Falwell Jr., an evangelical leader and fervent Trump supporter, is president.

    Mr. Gauger said he never got the rest of what he claimed he was owed. But Mr. Cohen in early 2017 still asked for—and received—a $50,000 reimbursement from Mr. Trump and his company for the work by RedFinch, according to a government document and a person familiar with the matter. …

    After this story published Thursday morning, Mr. Cohen said in a tweet that he attempted to have the polls rigged with Mr. Trump’s knowledge.

    “What I did was at the direction of and for the sole benefit of [Mr. Trump],” Mr. Cohen wrote. “I truly regret my blind loyalty to a man who doesn’t deserve it.”

    ars, including during the 2016 presidential race, will be a focus of Mr. Cohen’s testimony at a Feb. 7 hearing before the House Oversight Committee.

    Mr. Gauger’s lawyer, Charles E. James Jr. of the firm Williams Mullen, said federal investigators interviewed Mr. Gauger about his interactions over six years with Mr. Cohen, from their first meeting in 2012 until last April, when the Federal Bureau of Investigation raided Mr. Cohen’s home, office and hotel room.

    Mr. Gauger, who recounted those dealings to The Wall Street Journal, said that though Mr. Cohen promised him lucrative work for the presidential campaign, his activities related to Mr. Trump consisted of trying unsuccessfully to manipulate two online polls in Mr. Trump’s favor.

    During the presidential race, Mr. Cohen also asked Mr. Gauger to create a Twitter account called @WomenForCohen. The account, created in May 2016 and run by a female friend of Mr. Gauger, described Mr. Cohen as a “sex symbol,” praised his looks and character, and promoted his appearances and statements boosting Mr. Trump’s candidacy.


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    artem1s says:

    @Uncle Cosmo:

    live out his days in a trumpsuit

    I’m betting a lot of people would be happy to make that a thing.

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    Brachiator says:

    The entire Republican Party leadership are members of a criminal enterprise.

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    That Republicans are covering up bribery, blackmail & graft of Trump/Russian Oligarchs is criminal.

    methinks a number of them have had their consciouses assuaged by rubles.

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