Open Thread — Pelosi to Trump: No Grandstanding While the Secret Service Is Working Without Pay

Good for Speaker Pelosi:






160 replies
  1. 1
    Betty Cracker says:

    THIS is why Pelosi is the speaker we need right now. I wonder who had to break it to Trump that he won’t get TV time to yammer for 45 minutes about how great he is. Good lord, if people like Javanka, Huckabee Sanders, Conway, Mulvaney, etc., had souls, I’d pity them.

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    Jager says:

    Bet the Fat Boy is pissed!

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    Hey, all you Pelosi haters (not here, but you know, pundits, etc) suck it!

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    MattF says:

    Yes, Pelosi knows all about narcissism. Deals with it every day

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    Sasha says:

    Of course, there is the option that Trump will deliver the SOTU on the 29th anyway, unpaid Secret Service agents be damned.

    If so, the optics will be glorious.

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    jeffreyw says:

    @Jager:
    Nonsense! I am pleased as Punch!

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    ByRookorbyCrook says:

    He can deliver his low-energy SotU from the Oval Office with no cheering congressional lickspittles or guests to highlight his pompous self-importance. Nancy SMASH just told him he is not welcome to the spectacle of the SotU, like a Mom sending her toddler to timeout.

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    Punchy says:

    Any chance he delivers the speech from the steps of Mar-a-lago? Would the networks be forced to broadcast it?

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    japa21 says:

    @Sasha: He can deliver it, but it won’t be to the Congress.

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    mapaghimagsik says:

    This is great. I love seeing her exercise power in this way.

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    Geeno says:

    If Pelosi has rescinded her invitation to him to speak, doesn’t that mean that Needy Amin is supposed to stay in the gallery like any other visitor?

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    hehe now that is some quality Nancy Smash. Talk about punishing and framing it as the other party is acting juvenile.

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    @Punchy: Wouldn’t it be great if he announced that and then nobody but Faux News covered it after that spectacle the other night? I might break out the champagne I’ve been saving for his indictments.

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    Mai Naem mobile says:

    I love Nancy Pelosi.

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    Spanky says:

    @Punchy: Let me be the first to predict he’ll give the SotU from a balcony somewhere. And make no mistake – the networks WILL broadcast it. They just can’t say no.

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    Wag says:

    @Sasha:
    Sure, he could deliver a speech on the 29th from the Oval Office or other place of his choosing, but he wouldn’t have the adoring crowds of GOP Senators and Representatives to applaud every line, no Supreme Court Justices to nod sagely, no ability to point to the rafters to carefully chosen guests, and any locale chosen would lack the political gravitas of the Capitol.

    And any claim that he tries to make that his MAGA rally speech is just as important will be a joke.

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    Spanky says:

    Oooh!

    MPs are now voting on the no confidence motion.

    They got down to it right fast!

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    piratedan says:

    have the distinct feeling that this letter from Pelosi just shitcanned the planned SOTU speech that Miller was cranking out…. Trump NEEDS his public platform, Nancy just told him to go find his own fucking shinebox and do it anywhere but her front porch.

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    Barbara says:

    @Spanky:

    May wins confidence vote with majority of 19
    The government has won by 325 votes to 306 – a majority of 19.

    That seems really close.

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    Spanky says:

    Aaaaand –

    May wins confidence vote with majority of 19

    The government has won by 325 votes to 306 – a majority of 19.

    So Theresa May survives to fuck up another day.

    Barbara, Close doesn’t count, sadly. And I do think it was closer than last no-confidence vote just a couple(?) of weeks ago.

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    jl says:

    Good for Pelosi. Why is this vile crook Trump still allowed to hijack the country?
    She should have been more resolute. Finally for once, I agree with that damned Hoyer, just tell the loathsome illegitimate Trump that he gets no speech, and he can send his damned letter. Unlike him, people in Congress can read whatever his lying incompetent flunkies throw up on paper.
    But news said Hoyer ‘misspoke’.

    If Trump wants to babble from Oval Office, Pelosi should say it is just his PR stunt, has nothing to do with his Constitutional duty to transmit a message to Congress.

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    laura says:

    I’m thrilled that Nancy Smash has her House in order. Let the malign camera hog and resident goebbels whine about the unfairness of it all.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Sasha:

    Of course, there is the option that Trump will deliver the SOTU on the 29th anyway, unpaid Secret Service agents be damned.

    I have this vision of Trump showing up to the House chambers on the evening of the 29th, discovering that the door is locked because everyone went home two hours earlier, and pulling futilely at the door knob (ignoring, of course, the sign reading ‘push’).

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    Sasha says:

    Trump hasn’t been disinvited. Still has a wonderful chance to bloviate in front of a live studio audience — who will be reminded that Trump insisted on the Secret Service providing him protection without pay thanks to his showdown.

    It’s always fun to watch someone gleefully stick their head into a noose of their own making.

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    WereBear says:

    And… loving it.

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    Elizabelle says:

    I love Nancy Smash.

    And time to get this shutdown over with. Day 26. I think a lot of families are getting into dire straits if it goes on much longer.

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    SFAW says:

    I’m kind of appalled at the lack of respect That Woman is showing him. Shrill!

    ETA: Did I write “appalled”? I meant “thrilled.”

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    JustRuss says:

    My prediction is he’ll schedule a rally paid for by his supporters to deliver the SOTU, and demand the networks carry it live. Fox will agree of course, the others will tell him to pound sand if anyone with a spine is running them. Not sure which way to bet on that.

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    Fleeting Expletive says:

    So glad I sprang for the Wonkette tshirt with Nancy Pelosi astride a big ol’ Harley: “Ride or Die” and I’m proud to wear it.

    Our fine rough tough military generals can’t seem to steer him, but Grandmothers and probably millions of teachers could.

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    Luthe says:

    @JustRuss:

    if anyone with a spine is running them

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Surely you jest.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Spanky: If it’s a balcony in Argentina, I’m all for it.

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    Doug Gardner says:

    @Geeno:

    Needy Amin

    is fucking brilliant, even though I had to read it twice (and out loud) to get it.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    She knows the operations of the government inside out.

    He knows nothing.

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    West of the Rockies says:

    Perhaps he could deliver his speech at the Berlin Sportpalast.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Spanky: I’m sure it must have happened somewhere along the way, but has a British PM ever survived two no confidence votes so close together?

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    The Moar You Know says:

    That’s not asking. That’s informing someone they’re not welcome.

    I love her.

    Of course, there is the option that Trump will deliver the SOTU on the 29th anyway, unpaid Secret Service agents be damned.

    @Sasha: Not from Congress. That’s Pelosi’s call. And she just made it.

    He can do it from the Oval Office or from a McDonald’s if he wants. But not from Congress, not with Congress or the Supreme Court in attendance.

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    Fleeting Expletive says:

    @SFAW: Oh, yeah, I’m waiting for that response. No respect, I tell you, no respect.
    Oh, hi there. Rep. Joe Walsh. And Justice Sam Alito. Tell us about the sanctity of the State of the Union speech.
    I’m enjoying bitter schadenfreude today. Mostly I’m hungry though.

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    Kent says:

    This is why Pelosi is speaker. She is damn good. And I also like how she let Hoyer be the enforcer.

    Of COURSE Trump can give any kind of speech he wants from anywhere he wants. But if he tries to do anything else the optics are going to be horrid on every network other than FOX and all the institutional talking heads they always roll out like Susan Stamberg and Dorris Kearns Goodwin will be tut tutting about how “dimished” Trump is in comparison to the “greats” who commanded the grand stage of an address to both houses of Congress with all the traditional pomp and circumstance that goes with it. Trump loves him some good pomp and circumstance. He’s been lusting after a military parade after all. He can’t be happy with the idea of a “rump” address from the oval office. Who the hell is going to watch a 1-hour address from the oval office written by Steven Miller? It will have the worst ratings ever.

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    Jeffro says:

    @JustRuss:

    My prediction is he’ll schedule a rally paid for by his supporters to deliver the SOTU, and demand the networks carry it live. Fox will agree of course

    I think you’re 110% correct. And he’ll look like the world’s biggest toddler giving it when he gets up there.

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    ruemara says:

    In the interest of you having a good day, here’s a kitten pic. From november 2017 in their first month.

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    Jeffro says:

    On a side note: we need much more of this kind of reporting, please: Congressional Republicans Also Caught By Russia/Protecting trumpov

    Democrats tend not to question why Republicans in Congress stick with President Donald Trump despite his various ongoing scandals — including new reporting that the FBI investigated the possibility that the president is an actual Russian agent.
    We live in a hyper-partisan age. And so congressional Republicans continue to back Trump, goes the thinking, simply because he’s a fellow Republican. (After all, congressional Democrats remained loyal to President Bill Clinton during the 1998-99 Monica Lewinsky scandal even after they knew he had lied to them and the country.)

    But some anti-Trump Republicans increasingly believe there’s more to it than extreme party loyalty — and they’re increasingly being vocal about it. They worry that some GOP congressional members defend Trump while also believing he’s a danger to both U.S. economic interests and national security…

    The article then goes on to name the usual suspects: Graham, McConnell, Nunes, etc

    …All of this is opinion, however “evidence-based” it might be. Painter and Watt acknowledge the country is going to have to wait for the special counsel’s report to know the actual, nailed-down facts — and that even then, the role of congressional Republicans might not be addressed.

    Still, they point out that these prominent Republicans’ continued support for Trump simply makes no sense, considering the damage he is doing to the “GOP brand” and that “Vice President [Mike] Pence would be Trump’s inevitable successor” if Congress removed Trump via impeachment and Senate conviction.

    “On the surface,” they write, “ushering in a President Pence would appear to be both a brilliant and logical move for the Republicans. … [Congressional Republicans’] failure to create this change suggests that something outside the realm of normal politics cements Republican leaders to Donald Trump.”

    THIS. Let’s get everyone in the country wondering why these rats are still hanging out on a sinking ship.

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    hedgehog mobile says:

    Good for Nancy Smash. Not only is she not playing, shes’s not normalizing Fuckface von Clownstick. I love her.

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    Kelly says:

    Would the Turtle invite him to speak to the Senate instead?

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    geg6 says:

    @Jeffro:

    And they voted today to protect Oleg Derepaska. Fuck the optics, they said.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @different-church-lady: On my way there, actually, and will be there on the 29th. Maybe I should keep an eye out.

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    Aleta says:

    @ruemara: cat magic

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Sasha: Not from the floor of the House, he won’t. Let him pout from somewhere in the White House.

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    piratedan says:

    @Jeffro: gotta love how a President getting a blowjob by a supposedly willing intern that wasn’t even what their investigation was about, is the same as violations of campaign finance law and treason

    gotta love our context free media

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    Sasha says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    Not from Congress. That’s Pelosi’s call. And she just made it.

    He can do it from the Oval Office or from a McDonald’s if he wants. But not from Congress, not with Congress or the Supreme Court in attendance.

    He hasn’t been disinvited. But now he has the option of:

    (a) rescheduling the SOTU and looking even more like a fool for having to reschedule because of his own shutdown,
    (b) delivering from the Oval Office where he can’t soak up that sweet, sweet adulation from the GOP caucus,
    (c) delivering at a rally where he’ll look diminished,
    (d) submitting the SOTU in writing and not be on TV at all,
    (e) ending the shutdown so he can deliver the SOTU on schedule, or
    (f) not end the shutdown and deliver the SOTU on schedule, and have a bunch of Secret Service agents provide a lot of extra and unpaid security and protection.

    Whatever the option, the optics suck and he owns them. Hell of a Morton’s Fork there.

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    Kelly says:

    @Jeffro: Wut? The Oregonian skeptical of Republicans?

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    gvg says:

    @Jeffro: that is also actually slight evidence that Pence isn’t compromised.

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    hells littlest angel says:

    It’s so unfair of her to cancel the speech he was going to give about how unfairly Democrats treat him.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @jl: Because she’s being an adult, and using the prospect of a SotU address as a carrot. Be a good boy Donnie and stop this shutdown business. Then we’ll let you talk to the grownups. You can even have your cake and ice cream after.

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    hells littlest angel says:

    @Jeffro: “He’s on a pee tape! And HE’S on a pee tape! And HE’S on a pee tape!”

    And the box set includes some deleted scat scenes.

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    NotMax says:

    Claiming a long overdue need for equal time, Dolt 45 announces he’ll be giving a State of the Confederacy address.

    // // // // //

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    Cacti says:

    Outstanding move by Nancy Smash.

    The Dotard can address the American people whenever he likes. But she doesn’t have to let him use the people’s house as the backdrop for his fire hose of lies, while his security detail works for free.

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    Yarrow says:

    I love how Nancy SMASH owns leading one house of the co-equal branch of government.

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    The Midnight Lurker says:

    So I’m watching the Senate confirmation hearings on William Barr, the guy going for the top cop slot, and I have a few takeaways…

    1. Isn’t familiar with our current immigration policies, so he can’t render an opinion on issues that have already been decided by a court of law.
    2. Isn’t familiar with the emolument clause, so he has no opinion on that either.
    3. Thinks it’s okay to imprison journalists if they write something that is ‘harmful’ to the U.S. Government.
    4. Thinks mass incarcerations for drug offenses is a good way of getting gangs off the street. Especially in those in ‘inner cities’, like Chicago.
    5. Thinks that the current judicial system has no racial bias, AT ALL.

    In other news… BENGHAZI!!!! A Federal judge has ruled that Clinton, Rice, and ten other State Dept. officials will be disposed over the Secretaries’ use of a private e-mail server. According to Jim I-look-the-other-way-when-little-boys-are-being-molested-by-my-staff Jordan, this is a great day for transparency!

    I agree! Because if we can dispose Clinton over her use of a private server, we can dispose Ivanka too. Maybe that’s why Trump’s Justice Dept. AND State Dept. objected to this ruling.

    IMPEACH THE MOFO!

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    rikyrah says:

    @ByRookorbyCrook:

    Nancy SMASH just told him he is not welcome to the spectacle of the SotU, like a Mom sending her toddler to timeout.

    Tee hee hee

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    catclub says:

    Nielsen of DHS immediately stated that the SS can still cover security for the speech.
    I wonder who in the WH pushed for that to happen.

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    catclub says:

    @The Midnight Lurker: I am pretty sure that judicail watch shopped this case around until they got the wackaloon judge they needed.

    ETA: also, depose, not dispose for depositions

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    PJ says:

    @piratedan: Come on, getting a consensual blow job from an intern is far worse – think of how it degrades the Office of the Presidency!

    I’m kidding, but this was the argument the pearl-clutchers were making 20 years ago, and I’d guess for the David Brooks’ and Cokie Roberts’ of this world, it is how they feel now. Trump is still a Republican, and a businessman, and no matter the extent of his fraudulent, money-laundering, country-betraying behavior, he is still basically good and good for the country, certainly compared with that white trash Clinton.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @NotMax:

    Dolt 45 announces he’ll be giving a State of the Confederacy Soviet address.

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    SFAW says:

    @catclub:

    Nielsen of DHS immediately stated that the SS can still cover security for the speech.

    Doesn’t SS work out of Treasury? Or has that changed?

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @geg6: And St Bernard declined to vote.

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    chopper says:

    @japa21:

    he’s probably going to deliver the speech at the border in front of a section of border wall.

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    @Sasha:

    Of course, there is the option that Trump will deliver the SOTU on the 29th anyway, unpaid Secret Service agents be damned.

    He can’t do it in front of a joint session of Congress without Pelosi’s permission. The Senate chambers are too small for a joint session, so it would have to be in the House. As Speaker, Pelosi controls what happens in the House. Congress is a coequal branch of government, and the President has no right to dictate terms to them as if he’s the boss and they’re his minions. If the Speaker chooses to invite the President and Senate to an event in her chamber, that’s her right, but she also has the right to revoke that invitation. If the President shows up uninvited, the Speaker has every right to lock the door and tell him to go to hell.

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    Aleta says:

    And he’s blocked (so far) (by his own side) from the Republican presidential signal that says he’s above-you-all indifferent. News photos of his golf swing.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Jager:

    Bet the Fat Boy is pissed!

    Good.

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    catclub says:

    @Spanky:

    And I do think it was closer than last no-confidence vote just a couple(?) of weeks ago.

    The last No Confidence vote was taken within the Conservative party.

    This vote was more asking the question: Do you really want to give Corbyn a chance to form a government? And the answer from (presumably) every single Conservative party member (plus a few others), was …no.

    Very unlike the Brexit bill vote.

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    The Midnight Lurker says:

    @catclub: Thanks. And sorry for the spelling. I had to help my wife bring in the groceries while I was editing. I didn’t catch the spel-check sub. I suck at spelling anyway. Never learned phonics.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @Sasha: Where? Oval office? Senate chamber?

    If Pelosi says no, won’t be in House, right?

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    catclub says:

    @SFAW: I am not sure. I am betting if Pelosi says they are not funded, she is right.
    Treasury is unfunded, hence IRS furloughed workers have to be called back to issue refunds.

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    catclub says:

    @The Midnight Lurker: huked on foniks wurked fur me.

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    chopper says:

    @Ladyraxterinok:

    yertle could invite him to address the senate, but the senate chambers are small. much, much smaller crowd.

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    randy khan says:

    @different-church-lady:

    If it’s a balcony in Argentina, I’m all for it.

    There are lots of balconies in Moscow. Just saying.

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    lumpencommentarian says:

    @Sasha: He’ll do F. He won’t even hesitate.

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    SFAW says:

    Oh noes, MINORITY Leader McCarthy has said that SPEAKER Pelosi is “playing politics,” and said her conduct is “unbecoming.”

    Not sure if I’m feeling Schadenfreude, but I’m liking it. I think, for times when those motherfuckers self-own, the term might be Shartenfreude, but I’m not sure it parses.

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    lumpencommentarian says:

    @Doug Gardner: Seconded.

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    kindness says:

    Watching rightwingers react in horror is soothing. I love me some Nancy SMASH!

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    Gravenstone says:

    @randy khan: Maybe he can be in a bathtub as he’s giving his speech. Saves the trouble of finding on to drop on him later.

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    danielx says:

    I love the smell of napalm in the afternoon.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @dmsilev: Will the headless ghost of King Charles I be standing next Trump then?

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    meander says:

    Pelosi’s letter seems like an invitation to “Meme Genies” to create some meme that show hostage takers trying to do normal things while pointing a gun at the head of the hostage. For example, a text bubble for the hostage taker on the phone asking about something boring, like “what’s the thread count of the harvest color sheets on sale this week?” or “I need to set up an appointment for a tune up on my Honda Civic”.

    Has anyone made such things yet?

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    The Moar You Know says:

    Doesn’t SS work out of Treasury? Or has that changed?

    @SFAW: She meant the Schutzstaffel, not the Secret Service. The confusion is understandable.

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    dmsilev says:

    @SFAW: Secret Service was moved from Treasury to DHS when the latter was established.

    Not that it makes a difference in the current situation; both departments are part of the shutdown.

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    catclub says:

    I’m hoping for a, ‘slowly, and then all at once’ kind of thing.

    The General Services Administration ignored “issues under the Constitution’s Emoluments Clauses” when it decided in March 2017 that President Trump’s Washington, D.C. hotel was in full compliance of its lease of Washington’s Old Post Office Building.

    at TPM

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    catclub says:

    @dmsilev:

    Secret Service was moved from Treasury to DHS when the latter was established.

    also Coast Guard was moved out of DOD [which is funded] into DHS. I bet they are thanking GWBush for that, now.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Jeffro:

    …if Donald Trump isn’t actually hiding a massive conspiracy than the alternative is almost worse: The United States elected a president so oblivious to geopolitics, so self-centered and personally insecure, so naturally predisposed to undermine democratic institutions and coddle authoritarians, and so terrible a manager and leader that he cluelessly surrounded himself with crooks, grifters, and agents of foreign powers that he’s compromised the national security of the United States government and undermined 75 years of critical foreign alliances merely to satiate his own ego.

    Worse it is, then.

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    The Midnight Lurker says:

    @catclub: Thanks for the tip! Now I’ll be able to spell hamberder and cofefe!

    (Spell-Check fought me hard on those.)

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    H.E.Wolf says:

    @meander:
    I’d just as soon not turn the pointing of guns at people’s heads into a cutesy meme.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @The Midnight Lurker: I believe it’s covfefe. Still, spellcheck is a difficult demon to vanquish at times.

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    PJ says:

    @different-church-lady:
    Unfortunately, Trump is not an either/or, but a both: an ignorant, malignant narcissist and a completely compromised Russian asset.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @different-church-lady: DAMN GURL

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    EthylEster says:

    Somebody I have never heard of wrote:

    C) she can snap her fingers and seek Trump’s tax returns.

    So…is this true?
    I saw a recent headline in either NYT or WaPo that implied that it was not as straight forward as a finger snap.

    I really hate it when someone shoots off mouth and actually knows nothing.
    I want to see the tax returns.
    So how easy/hard is it?

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    Aleta says:

    A woman corrected him in public. Now’s she’s said No to him in front of everyone. Even though he’s the owner of the government!! How to get even? Well, at least no one can stop him taking out his anger on women housekeeping staff at his properties.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @EthylEster: I dunno, but I’d like to see her snap her fingers and try it.

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    sukabi says:

    @catclub: is she personally paying them?

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    SFAW says:

    @dmsilev:

    Secret Service was moved from Treasury to DHS when the latter was established.

    I kind of had a feeling that might be the case. Thanks!

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    EthylEster says:

    @Jeffro: from the article

    Trump will go down in history as the world’s most famous “useless idiot,” as Communists used to call those who could be co-opted to the cause without realizing it.

    I think the phrase is useful idiot.
    But these days, who cares?
    Certainly not our media overlords.

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    SFAW says:

    @Kelly:

    Wut? The Oregonian skeptical of Republicans?

    On the “plus” side: I read about 30 of the comments, almost all of the RWMF comments are barely intelligible (in the sense of grammar, construction, parse-ability), far more than the usual.

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    Brachiator says:

    @different-church-lady:

    If it’s a balcony in Argentina, I’m all for it.

    Don’t cry for me, Nan Pelosi
    The truth is, I’m always lying
    All through my shutdown, my mad existence
    I’ll buy you burgers
    Don’t keep your distance

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    JustRuss says:

    @Jeffro:

    a bizarre telephone call from Air Force One where the president tried to argue to the Times off the record that contrary to the unanimous conclusion of the president’s own intelligence community, “that the Russians were falsely accused of election interference.”

    Anyone else, I’d say he’s definitely compromised. But I can totally believe that Trump just doesn’t want the Ruskies getting credit for his yoooge, wonderful, unprecedented electoral victory.

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    sukabi says:

    @EthylEster: pretty sure when all is said and done EVERYONE including the Russians will agree that he’s useless.

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    Repatriated says:

    @EthylEster: Wait.

    Is the whole reason for the shutdown just to keep the IRS from being able to respond to a House subpoena of the tax returns?

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    sukabi says:

    @Brachiator: bravo!

    But shouldn’t it be berders?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @catclub:

    I think I see where this is going. Sec. Nielsen will very shortly be called to testify in the House that she can guarantee the president’s safety during the shutdown, and if she doesn’t show, no speech.

    Since Nielsen has been dodging the new House committees, this is a potentially interesting way to force her to show up. Does she refuse and have to tell Trump that he doesn’t get his showcase, or does she appear and yet publicly grilled? Decisions, decisions …

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    Immanentize says:

    @EthylEster:

    I really hate it when someone shoots off mouth and actually knows nothing.

    You are clearly at the wrong blog.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Roger Moore:

    If the Speaker chooses to invite the President and Senate to an event in her chamber, that’s her right, but she also has the right to revoke that invitation. If the President shows up uninvited, the Speaker has every right to lock the door and tell him to go to hell.

    I suppose Pelosi should consider inviting Putin to deliver the SOTU. Straight from the horse’s mouth, right?

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    @catclub:

    also Coast Guard was moved out of DOD [which is funded] into DHS.

    Not quite. The Coast Guard was part of DOT before being moved to DHS. They’ve been shuffled around between departments an amazing amount depending on what role they’re seen as serving. During wartime, they’re part of DOD. When we’re worried about smuggling, they’re part of Treasury. When we’re worried about safe navigation, they’re part of Transportation. When we’re worried about terrorists, they were made part of Homeland Security.

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    @EthylEster:

    I saw a recent headline in either NYT or WaPo that implied that it was not as straight forward as a finger snap.

    She has to collect the infinity stones and put them in the gauntlet first.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Instead of the SOTU — filled with nonstop lies — Fat Bastard may just schedule one of his feel-good rallies in a red state. Keeps him off our TVs.

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    FlyingToaster says:

    @EthylEster: Technically, it’s Maxine Waters and her committee who hold the supoena power, and I’m pretty sure the House Leadership’s strategy is to add one damn thing at a time to the scale oppressing Trump until he fucking caves. Today it’s the SOTU. Tomorrow it will be something else. Assume the tax returns after the “Putin Meeting Notes”, though I could be wrong on which order things get called for.

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    emmyelle says:

    She didn’t ask. Now, Seth Moulton would have asked. But Nancy, she didn’t ask.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @meander: No, but just the thought of it made me snortle out loud, I must confess.

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    EthylEster says:

    @Immanentize:

    You are clearly at the wrong blog.

    Yeah, I re-wrote my post several times to try to minimize the appearance of calling out anyone here.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Roger Moore:

    She has to collect the infinity stones and put them in the gauntlet gavel first.

    Fixed that for you.

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    JPL says:

    @EthylEster: IMO if the house attempts to get the tax returns, trump will tie it up in the court system until the next election. It’s just my opinion though.

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    EthylEster says:

    @FlyingToaster wrote:

    Technically, it’s Maxine Waters and her committee who hold the subpoena power

    But is this subpoena power absolute?
    I mean, can the committee (or anyone!) actually get DJT’s tax returns?
    This is my question. I gave in and searched for an answer.
    The link below is informative…..though not very encouraging IMO. (Also, too, I tried the link button but it did not work…no text appeared. So I just pasted in the naked URL and, presto changeo, the link is clickable. Yay.)

    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/jan/02/can-house-democrats-release-donald-trumps-tax-retu/

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    Sloane Ranger says:

    There must be large rooms in the White House with soldiers in nice uniforms and at least some staff. What’s to stop him from delivering the SOTU from the WH and inviting Congresspeople, Senators, SCOTUS and guests along to hear it? I imagine he’d get all the Republicans to attend as well as most of the Justices.

    That would give him a pretty impressive backdrop for his speech, give him own turf advantage and allow him to claim that he’s not creating additional security problems as the SS would be there protecting him anyway.

    That could be spun as a successful riposte by the politics should be treated like sport media crowd.

    Not being difficult but wondering how that might play.

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    JoyceH says:

    Title of blog post – tell me I’m not the only one here who recognizes the lyrics to Wake Up Little Susie.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @JustRuss:

    Oh, he’s compromised all right.

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    EthylEster says:

    @JPL wrote:

    IMO if the house attempts to get the tax returns, trump will tie it up in the court system until the next election. It’s just my opinion though.

    Yeah, that is the bottom line in the article I cited above.
    But that’s why I am frustrated by folks who write that it’s just a matter of snapping fingers.

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    Tim C. says:

    @Kelly: Does the Oregronian even really exist any more? But seriously, starting in the 90s, the editorial board has had a very hard time pretending the Republican party is anything but a bunch of ding-bat extremists. They really really really really want to be moderate, tolerant Republicans.

    Related note, My daughter wants to be Rainbow Dash on My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.

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    FlyingToaster says:

    @EthylEster: The optics go very badly for Trump if he adds fighting a supoena to his pile o shit. And as soon as enough Senate Republicans feel that this will cost them either their re-election or their post-Senate K Street jobs, they’ll dump him the same way they did Nixon.

    What Pelosi et.al. have been particularly adept at is making sure that Trump steps on his own dick.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    Sec. Nielsen will very shortly be called to testify in the House that she can guarantee the president’s safety during the shutdown

    “We need wall. Around house.”

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    Fleeting Expletive says:

    @JoyceH: Not at all. Love the Everly Brothers.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @different-church-lady: If the GoP is your stupid stepdad’s party, so then Facebook is his social media of choice..

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    Brachiator says:

    @FlyingToaster:

    The optics go very badly for Trump if he adds fighting a supoena to his pile o shit. And as soon as enough Senate Republicans feel that this will cost them either their re-election or their post-Senate K Street jobs, they’ll dump him the same way they did Nixon.

    Unlikely. The Republicans have shown fairly remarkable discipline in backing Trump. They stand — or fall — with him. Hell, even the GOP money men are quiet, biting their tongues. Fox News is, well, Fox News.

    Of course, the GOP’s additional problem is that a chunk of the leadership may also be willing or unwitting Putin Stooges. Nobody is going to ‘fess up.

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    @catclub: Correction: the Coast Guard went to DHS from the Department of Transportation, not from Defense.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Sloane Ranger:

    There must be large rooms in the White House with soldiers in nice uniforms and at least some staff. What’s to stop him from delivering the SOTU from the WH and inviting Congresspeople, Senators, SCOTUS and guests along to hear it? I imagine he’d get all the Republicans to attend as well as most of the Justices.

    That would give him a pretty impressive backdrop for his speech, give him own turf advantage and allow him to claim that he’s not creating additional security problems as the SS would be there protecting him anyway.

    That could be spun as a successful riposte by the politics should be treated like sport media crowd.

    Not being difficult but wondering how that might play.

    This might actually work. Trump could even serve burgers and pizza. It would still look tacky. The STOU is to be delivered to representatives of the entire country, not just selected guests.

    I’m still holding out for “Live, from Mar-a-Lago! The New State of the Union Extravaganza!!” With dancing girls and spotlights. And a lucky guest will win a set of golf clubs (used), presented by Miss SOTU, Ivanka Trump!

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    Chief Oshkosh says:

    @JPL:

    IMO if the house attempts to get the tax returns, trump will tie it up in the court system until the next election. It’s just my opinion though.

    Maybe, but since Needy Amin is making sooo many friends right now over at the IRS, it could go another way. Maybe the subpoena goes to the right person, say, someone who is sitting on a digital copy of Turdburglar’s Golden Fleece. She hits “Send” the nanosecond that Nancy Smash’s polite request arrives in the email Inbox. Given the level of incompetency at Hair Furvor’s Beauty Salon and Fast Food Emporium, his email to the head of the IRS somehow goes into the spam bin, or better yet, bounces (as many of Drumpf’s checks have). Who knows why? After all, all the IT guys are furloughed…

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    Mandalay says:

    @EthylEster:

    But that’s why I am frustrated by folks who write that it’s just a matter of snapping fingers.

    The original claim in the tweet was “she can snap her fingers and seek Trump’s tax returns” and I haven’t seen anything to refute that, apart from the technicality that it would actually be the chair of the Committee on Ways and Means making the request rather than Pelosi.

    However, you have been conflating that with Pelosi actually obtaining Trump’s tax returns and you personally being able to see Trump’s tax returns.

    Those are three different kettles of fish, and I don’t really understand why you are making a big deal of the original tweet which seems fairly accurate. I think you have read far more into that tweet than it actually said.

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    Brachiator says:

    @different-church-lady:

    What can you even say?

    74 percent of Facebook users don’t realize the site collects their interests to target ads, Pew survey says

    I have to admit that I am a little surprised that the number is so high. But I wonder whether part of this is because a lot of people just “live in Facebook” and maybe visit a few other sites, but never look at anything about how the Internet works or read any tech stories.

    Did the story say what age groups were surveyed?

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    debbie says:

    Still no tweet about this. Someone must have tied him down.

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    NotoriousJRT says:

    @Wag:
    He’ll hold a rally.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @different-church-lady: timeshare sales reps are targeting the hell out of those people!

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @JoyceH: I got your back, even though they were way before my time

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    sdhays says:

    @Brachiator:

    I’m still holding out for “Live, from Mar-a-Lago! The New State of the Union Extravaganza!!” With dancing girls and spotlights. And a lucky guest will win a set of golf clubs (used), presented by Miss SOTU, Ivanka Trump!

    The ASSet is not a skilled enough showman to put together something like that. Anything with any kind of actual sophisticated stage management that he’s been associated with has been run by other people. He doesn’t have those people working for him anymore, and dancing girls and spotlights would distract from the main event anyway – the ASSet himself.

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    randy khan says:

    @Brachiator:

    Unlikely. The Republicans have shown fairly remarkable discipline in backing Trump. They stand — or fall — with him.

    This is right to a point, which is that the Republicans, like the Nixon-era Republicans, are standing firm. But that doesn’t mean that they will keep standing firm. As I’ve said since the beginning of the Administration, it is likely that they will solidly support him right up to the moment they all (or nearly all) swing against him. In fact, they probably will stand with him until they decide it’s in their interests to dump him, and with McConnell as their leader, you can be sure it will be a calculated decision. And if it is going to happen (which, unfortunately, it may not), we won’t know it’s coming beforehand.

    I don’t much like that, but it’s how things probably are. The consolation I take from this is that 1974 suggests that they will jump a bit too late, and will pay for it.

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    plato says:

    @Brachiator:

    The Republicans have shown fairly remarkable discipline completely despicable cowardice in backing Trump.

    Without your sugarcoating.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @different-church-lady:

    What, they thought that magical fairies were bringing them ads based on their secret wishes and not the stories/pages they looked at?

    Maybe Facebook needs to be banned on the basis that most people are too stupid to realize how it works. I get lots of ads for author stuff because that’s what I post and read about, and I’m actually pretty careful to make sure I only click on or search for things on Facebook that I don’t mind getting ads for.

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    Bill Arnold says:

    @Aleta:
    Well, at least no one can stop him taking out his anger on women housekeeping staff at his properties.
    Phones surreptitiously recording, perhaps.
    I for sure would record all interactions with DJT, if possible.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Brachiator:

    Hell, even the GOP money men are quiet, biting their tongues.

    My current working assumption is that all of the Republican “money men” have been fronts for Russian political money laundering starting around 2010, whether wittingly or unwittingly. That’s why they’re so quiet.

    IMO, It’s not that the Kochs and Mercer’s have been spending their own billions on elections and think tanks. They’re cheap bastards. I think they’ve been happily spending Putin’s money and claiming it was theirs, and laughing up their sleeves at the stupid Democrats who can’t figure out why Republicans have so much more money.

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    sukabi says:

    @sdhays: pretty sure his cold hamberder spread is all the proof you need for that.

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    trnc says:

    @Geeno:

    If Pelosi has rescinded her invitation to him to speak, doesn’t that mean that Needy Amin is supposed to stay in the gallery like any other visitor?

    Not sure what you mean. There’s no event (at least, not in the House chamber). He can either deliver a report to congress or he can put the show on from the Oval Office.

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    trnc says:

    @Brachiator:

    The STOU is to be delivered to representatives of the entire country, not just selected guests.

    Like he or any of his congressional enablers care how it’s supposed to be done.

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    trnc says:

    @Sasha: Good catch. Thanks.

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    hitchhiker says:

    His constitutional requirement is to report to the congress from time to time. If he gives a rally speech or stages a love-in somewhere, it won’t satisfy that requirement. He’d still need to deliver that report.

    I just saw some mooks on twitter insisting that this is evidence that she’s LOSING the shutdown fight, because if she were winning she’d be eager to let him hang himself with more talk. (I know, I know.)

    What’s funny is that all she’s doing is behaving like a person who is trying to get the government to work. It’s so nuts that this comes across as refreshing and bold.

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    Skepticat says:

    @Geeno:

    Needy Amin

    Thank you for this. Made my day.

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    Mohagan says:

    @JoyceH: I knew I knew the lyrics but had to Google them to get the song name (sigh). Getting old sucks.

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    Zinsky says:

    To have this orange spray-painted pig get on TV for 45 minutes and yammer on about how “strong our Union is” in this moment, is beyond obscene. What a sad joke…

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    Kathleen says:

    @JoyceH: You are not alone. ETA Love the Everly Brothers.

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    Bonnie says:

    Working without pay is called “slavery.”

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    worn says:

    @Kelly: Do folks still turn to The Oregonian for anything news-wise? Last physical copy I held in my hands was a tabloid sheet with. about 8 pages. Hell, the damn Willy Week is more substantive than that.

    It is with no joy that I ask the question. I come from a newspaper family and the utter decimation of the industry in the last 10 years or so just makes me sad. That said, the O wasn’t that great of a newspaper back in the day. But it was a real newspaper, despite its conservative leanings, not the hollowed-out husk that I currently see on the newsstand. Sigh…

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    Gex says:

    @Bonnie: No. Slavery was much more than that. People can look for new work. They aren’t OWNED AS PROPERTY. It is terrible what is being done to these workers. But it is not slavery and not even like slavery.

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    frosty says:

    @JoyceH:

    tell me I’m not the only one here who recognizes the lyrics to Wake Up Little Susie.

    Long dead thread, but I did.

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