Open Thread: Dog and Cat Bring The Joy

There is still good in the world.

Open thread

62 replies
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    zhena gogolia says:

    Wow, is that a Norwegian forest cat? I want one of those so bad.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    Maybe Maine Coon.

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    @zhena gogolia: If you click on it, she has other pictures of the cat – I think it’s just a very fluffy calico – fluffy like Tunch was fluffy.

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    Snarki, child of Loki says:


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    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho says:

    That is wonderful and I’ve shared it widely since I first saw it. Thanks for posting it here!

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @TaMara (HFG):

    So cute.

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    Yarrow says:

    That’s so sweet.

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    Just saying…

    Dr. Peter Venkman: This city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
    Mayor: What do you mean, “biblical”?
    Dr Ray Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real wrath-of-God type stuff.
    Dr. Peter Venkman: Exactly.
    Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies. Rivers and seas boiling.
    Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness. Earthquakes, volcanoes…
    Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave.
    Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together – mass hysteria.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    Obligatory Ghostbusters reference.

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    NotMax says:

    Last lawn mowing if the year? Check.

    Dashed out to the nearby supermarket to pick up some stuff for making a soup for New year’s gathering. Don’t like going there as the prices are often outrageous but wasn’t up for a trip into town. One thing needed which have not bought in ages: bacon. MAJOR STICKER SHOCK. Fresh cabbage was a dollar a pound more than in town, also too.

    Another item a different recipe calls for is tahini. Not about to take out a mortgage to purchase that – gonna try a cheat and add some already in the house hummus plus a dribble of sesame oil as a substitute.

    They didn’t have any fresh beets at all (also for a different dish) so have to substitute canned and faux roast them.

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    guachi says:

    Is Cole still alive after the tense NFL games today that had the Steelers coming up just short of making the playoffs?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    There is apparently a pretty big overlap between Maine Coon and Norwegian Forest cats, so it’s hard to tell the difference between them unless they come from a breeder of one specific cat.

    Our big boy Keaton is partly one of the above, but since he was found in a parking lot, there’s really no way to know for sure.

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    Keith P. says:

    @Sister Golden Bear: My thoughts exactly. Between this and the blue”electrical” explosion in NYC, it’s quite obvious that Gozer (the Gozerian) has arrived.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Mnemosyne: Question: a friend has recently been told by several people that she might consider that she has ADD. She’s in her 40’s. I remembered that you knew something about it and wondered if you have any books, websites or anything else that you might recommend to someone in that situation. How does one go about getting a diagnosis? From a doctor? A different professional?

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    NotMax says:

    @Keith P.

    As if the blue explosion wasn’t bad enough, wait until the next full moon, when the place will be infested with weresmurfs.

    “Damn you, stop that singing!”


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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    I imagine a therapist/psychiatrist that specializes in that area. Here’s a WebMD article about ADD diagnosis:

    Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder: Diagnosing ADHD

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    HumboldtBlue says:

    And then there are we humans, specifically, humans in Medellin, Colombia.

    If you’re not out of breath after watching this you’re not human.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Yarrow: Try

    That is the national ADD advocacy organization’s website. Lots of good introductory information, and they should have a list of local offices throughout the country.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    I would start with the website for ADDitude magazine — — because they have a ton of articles, self-tests, information specifically for women with ADHD, etc. She should look for a psychologist who specifically deals with ADHD and can do the necessary testing, which should take at least a half day. I think I took a battery of 4-5 different tests, plus I filled out a self-evaluation ahead of time. She needs to get the full battery of tests because there can be very similar symptoms for women who are on the autism spectrum, plus there can be comorbid conditions like depression or bipolar disorder that can be made worse if she starts taking stimulant medication without being fully screened.

    A book specifically for women that I liked was Sari Solden’s Women with ADHD. (I may have her last name slightly wrong, but her first name is definitely Sari.) There are a ton of books written specifically for women with ADHD now, so she should be able to accumulate quite a long reading list pretty quickly. Good luck!

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Ohio Mom:

    So far in my experience, CHADD can be very variable when it comes to helping adults with ADD. They have a ton of resources for parents of kids with ADD, but not so much for adults with ADD. Of the two chapters closest to me, one has zero programs for adults and the other just started an adult support group in October of 2018.

    But they should be able to provide referrals to local psychologists and/or psychiatrists who can do the tests needed for a proper diagnosis.

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    Another Scott says:

    @HumboldtBlue: Yikes.

    That makes the TT runs on the Isle of Man look sane!



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    Bruuuuce says:

    “There is still good in the world.” That recalls my all-time favorite literary quote:

    “Is there anyone here,” he suddenly shouted, “such a fool as to believe that because there is good, there is no evil?”
    “There is evil,” their triumphant voices called back.
    “Then is anyone here,” Golias took them up, “so reckless as to claim that because there is evil, there is no good?”
    They snagged their breaths on that one. There was a silence which seemed to suck up the air. Then they all spoke, as if under an irresistible compulsion.
    “There is good.”

    Silverlock, John Myers Myers (with “They”=”The nobility of Hell”, and “he”=Golias” aka Orpheus, Taliesin, Amergin, Virgil, and, by implication, other bards and poets)

    That quote has gotten me through some very rough times, especially over the last three years.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Ohio Mom: Thanks. I will mention it to her.

    Goku, I can’t link to your comment, but thanks.

    @Mnemosyne: Thank you. I will mention those things to her. That book sounds good for her. She’s going through tremendous life changes right now and is also dealing with depression and anxiety (understandable given what she’s got to deal with) and it’s hard to know if her struggle to do things is more a function of depression/anxiety or something else. She’s completely overwhelmed and is struggling to accurately look back and assess if she’s been dealing with this sort of thing her whole life or not. The book might be a less stressful place for her to start. I don’t think she could handle a half day of testing right now.

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    chris says:

    @HumboldtBlue: Jesus Christ on a bicycle! I assume that’s who that was, anybody else would have crashed and died in all that concrete.

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    Jeffro says:

    @HumboldtBlue: I had already seen the dog/cat video…I had NOT seen this, wow! Thanks! (and whew)

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    Bruuuuce says:

    @Mnemosyne: ISTR hearing at some point that Maine Coons were bred from Norwegian Forest Cats, which would explain the overlap. But I don’t have a source on that, so I could be misremembering.

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    HumboldtBlue says:

    @chris: @Another Scott:

    I’m floored and just watched for a third time.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:


    Goku, I can’t link to your comment, but thanks

    No problem, but I’d recommend you listen to Mnem who seems to know what she’s talking about and doesn’t link to WebMD lol.

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    plato says:

    Go Luke.

    Not a word of regret or sympathy, just blame. Sickening. People complaining about my political tweets need to understand: I love my country & feel it's my patriotic duty to oppose this demented sociopath with every fibre of my being. #TrumpResignNOW

    — MarkHoHoHoHamill (@HamillHimself) December 29, 2018

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    HumboldtBlue says:


    “Whew” is an understatement.

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    Yarrow says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷: That’s why I asked her! She does know a lot about it, specifically about women with it and my friend is female.

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    raven says:

    @Yarrow: Thom Hartmann Attention Deficit Disorder: A Different Perception Paperback – August 1, 1997. It’s neither and deficit nor a disorder. We’re hunters (or lookouts) in a farmers world.

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    Jeffro says:

    VERY psyched to see the Eagles made it into the playoffs today btw, and that the Chiefs managed to not blow their #1 seed.

    Also glad, not in a mean way but in an it’s-about-time way, to see that the Washington media are going full bore on how just how bad Dan Snyder’s ownership has been for that football team. Change the owner, change the name, put em back in DC, and I’ll consider rooting for them.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @HumboldtBlue: Ugh, I got car sick after a couple of minutes of watching that.

    What I want to know is how the people in that Colombian town manage that hill — just the idea of walking up and down it everyday, let alone carrying young children, groceries and everything else life requires be moved from one place to another.

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    @Bruuuuce: I used this link to determine that Zander was more part Maine coon vs. Norwegian. He has a long face, weird hair and glued to anyone who comes into the house for attention.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Here’s a link to the book — I did remember the author’s name correctly. Yay me! 😂

    There’s another book on that page called You Mean I’m Not Stupid, Lazy, or Crazy? that I own but have not yet read.


    Do we really need to re-start our debate about how Hartmann virtually ignores women with ADHD and how women with ADHD are perceived differently than men are?

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    Bruuuuce says:

    @TaMara (HFG): Two things. Second, your link seems not to have linked. But first, you have me ROFLing because of something you couldn’t know. You see, my son’s name is Alexander, but we’ve called him Zander since he was wee (and yes, spelled with a zed). He, too, has something of a long face and weird hair, though he’s far more independent than yours seems to be :-D

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    waratah says:

    @HumboldtBlue: Wow! Was it not difficult enough without putting obstacles. Thank you I enjoyed that.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    This is exactly what Peter Venkman warned us about in Ghostbusters.

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    Bruuuuce says:

    @TaMara (HFG): Thank you. Going to pass this along to a friend.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Yarrow: We autism moms have a mantra when our kids’ behaviors change for the worse and we don’t know where to start: rule out anything medical first.

    For an example from my own life, I went through a period of exhaustion that felt like depression but it turned out to be the start of rheumatoid arthritis.

    So a general check-up might be something for your friend to consider too.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    She really does. I’ve noticed she has an extensive interest in psychology, which makes sense she writes fiction. Hope your friend benefits from the advice if she has it.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    Our older cat (9+) is showing signs of sore joints. We started adding cosequin powder to their food. Does anyone have any experience with this? How about CBD oil?

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    SWMBO says:

    @HumboldtBlue: You should post this to @JohnGCole. At least bike riding in South Beach is flat. Lol.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Bruuuuce: The thing is, evil gets better ratings/clicks, and therefore we see so much more of it in the media.

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    @A Ghost To Most: We are having great luck with CBD both with Bixby and my calico, Emma. She was having pain from age – a touch of pancreatitis, a little kidney issues – she wasn’t grooming herself. The third day after I started CBD, she had completely groomed herself and I didn’t need to pull a bunch of knots out. My vet was very enthusiastic when we had our visit two weeks ago. My suggestion is going with a full spectrum oil. I give it to her directly. I doubt she’d eat it on her food.

    ETA: You can email if you’d like more info on what we’re doing.

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    Bruuuuce says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: Sadly, that’s true. But IMNSHO, we’re seeing pushback on that. Social media is a tool too easily abused, but it’s also being used to spread good news and good ideas, and to bring pressure onto people and organizations that need it. The latest example, with the Doubletree in Portland firing the employees who harassed the man who was making a phone call to his mom from the lobby, shows us what we can do.

    There is good, and it’s very, VERY important to continue to remember and emphasize it.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @TaMara (HFG): Thanks. We may try CBD if the cosequin doesn’t help. Fearless cat is feeling the effects of being fearless in her yoot.

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    Jay says:

    @A Ghost To Most:

    Glucosamine, added to the dogs food, worked very well for joint pain and cartalidge issues.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Ohio Mom: Thanks. I will mention that to her. She recently ended up in the ER and got put on two strong antibiotics and has to follow up with her doctor so maybe there will be something else there.

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    @Bruuuuce: I love “Silverlock,” still re-read every few years.

    And yes, that quote is full of awesome.

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    Bruuuuce says:

    @Sister Golden Bear: I utterly agree with the foreword that starts “If you’re reading this book for the first time, I envy you.”

    I also reread every few years, and I am sure I still don’t recognize every reference. I know there are works I really ought to read whose characters or settings appear in it.

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    Burnspbesq says:


    Bonkers. Totally bugfuck crazy.

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    The Fat Kate Middleton says:

    @A Ghost To Most: My brother uses CBD oil for his 13 year old Irish Setter. It’s really helped, he says. And since this is an open thread – I just finished watching Happy Lazzaro. What a great, great movie! @A Ghost To Most:

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    SectionH says:

    @Bruuuuce: Oh cool, another Silverlock fan. That’s a great quote. I might have re-read the book more often, but what happens is I find a copy (used pb, of course), buy and re-read it, and then lend it to someone. Rinse, repeat, and somehow I’ve never had a copy get back to me. And I srsly don’t care, I just smile. I’m just happy to share the book.

    [Just saw SBG’s reply and yours to her] I can’t say I recognize the reference either. Did you ever read the follow-on? I did, but very fuzzy on the details – was it posthumous, like Christopher T’s published version of The Silm, or ? Sadly it didn’t stand up.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @HumboldtBlue: Escalators! Wow, that was wild! Gonna be lifting that for a local cycling forum.

    Thanks for posting it.

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    Gvg says:

    @TaMara (HFG): I don’t think Maine Coons are specificity descended fro NFC’s. The story I heard was Yankee Traders sailed all over the world for trade, sailors like and need cats, and Sailors like to collect exotic souvenirs from all the places they have been, so they brought home multiple breeds who combined to invent the MC. Turkish Angoras are one breed that was mentioned as contributing genes. Long hairs used to be unknown until about that era.
    If yankee sailors saw Turkish Vans, the swimming cat, I would imagine they would have wanted them too, but i haven’t heard that breed mentioned as a contributor. Persians are a more modern hybrid from about Victoria’s time.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    Those two are bilingual — in Human, a second language for both of them!

    I’ve known dogs who could understand Cat, and cats who could understand Dog. But while they obviously knew what the other guy was ‘saying’ — and could respond appropriately, in their own ‘language’ — they don’t seem to be able to ‘speak’ (act out) the other species’ language.

    These two Very Smart Fellas (a poodle/poodle mix, and a Maine coon) are ‘signalling’ with each other using ‘terms’ they’ve learned from the humans. Dog says ‘I stroke you as the human strokes us, to indicate that you are a valued companion’; Cat replies ‘I hug you around the neck, the way I hug the human to show I appreciate them’. (Maine-Coon-types are big ‘huggers’, it’s one way they bond so successfully with us two-legs.)

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    Bruuuuce says:

    @SectionH: (Sorry for the late reply. I had gone to bed.) I’m sure I read the sequel, and remember that it was nowhere near as good, and was sad about it, but aside from that, I recall nothing at all.

    And yes, along with The Tao of Pooh, it’s a book I’ve loaned permanently many times over the years.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Anne Laurie: Am I really the only person who’s ever had a Maine Coon who was stand-offish, aloof, and generally couldn’t have cared less about human companionship except when she was sick or injured? She suckered me as a tiny stray kitten picked up in the grocery store parking lot – very affectionate and snuggly while I was nursing her back to health, and then was all like, ‘whatever, hooman’ once she got started getting better. Hardly ever purred. Would condescend to sleep on the foot of the bed but never wanted to snuggle. it was quite the reverse of my previous cat, whom I was still mourning when I found this little one. The aptly-misnamed Angel – more aptly known as “Bitchy Kitty”. ; )

    My theory was that as a stray, feral kitten, I got her just after the tipping point where she would readily bond with a human, and that she remained, essentially, feral the whole time we were together.

    Still miss her, tho’ – she ran off after I’d made one move too many for her. Not sure whether she found another family to sucker or succumbed to the coyotes.

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    Julia Grey says:

    Looks like the dog was ASKING for that hug.

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