There’s Dumb and Then There’s Katrina Pierson Dumb!

Who wants to tell her?

She might want to try using one of these:

Don’t be like Katrina Pierson!

Open thread.

Yes, I know the article she’s linked to is from 2017, but the tweet is from today.


173 replies
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    Soonergrunt says:

    The hell of it is that Senator McCain, even in his present state, has a higher level of brain activity than does Ms. Pierson.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    Katrina Pierson:
    “Somebody get me a Medium. Yeah, that one from TV.”

    McCain died months ago. How does one fuck up this bad? Did she have this ready to go and it automatically posted on Twitter?

    ETA: From the Twitter thread:

    Katrina Pierson for Defense Secretary!

    The perfect candidate!

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    @Soonergrunt: Hi Soonergrunt, how have you been? Long time no see.

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    Platonailedit says:

    The numbnutz is being shredded in the replies.

    This tweet perfectly encapsulates the people Trump has surrounded himself with as "advisors".

    — Keli Vice (@kelivice) December 21, 2018

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    germy says:

    You guys are so dumb. Reading the tweet is obviously difficult for you. It clearly refers to the “staffer” in today’s news headlines. lol That article is OVER A YEAR OLD 🙄 #RussiaHoax #trumpderangementsyndrome— Katrina Pierson (@KatrinaPierson) December 21, 2018

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    NotMax says:

    High on the list for future spokeswoman for Dum Dums.

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    SenyorDave says:

    Reports are saying that General Franco is still dead…

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    Katrina Pierson’s brain is deader than John McCain. Low energy! Sad!

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    She’s now saying that she’s referring to the “staffer” in the first line. Boy you libtards are dumb!

    Now English may not be my first language, but I was fooled by the wording too.

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    lamh36 says:

    Following Following @BeschlossDC
    Richard Nixon went to Mar-a-Lago a month before he resigned the Presidency, July 1974:

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    Op-ed in Washpost

    Is arming teachers a good idea? Depends on where you live.

    by some dude called Gary Abernathy. Has anyone seen DougJ and this Abernathy person together?

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Gin & Tonic:
    She’s such an idiot. Only a first-class idiot tries that line of malarkey.

    John McCain Still Refuses to Answer Questions About His Role in the Dossier

    She clearly was referring to McCain.

    These people always try to dig deeper when they should just admit they made a mistake.

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    jl says:

    Trumpsters live in another world not of this earth, and now, so does John McCain.
    I can think of possible worlds where this BS makes sense.

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    Has anyone seen DougJ and this Abernathy person together?

    DougJ has been too busy perfecting his Twitter trolling skills:

    Though experiment for liberals: if instead of just heckling conservative and centrist speakers, the Campus Left was killing and dismembering these speakers, would you support that too?— Burkean Nozickian (@DougJBalloon) December 20, 2018

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Soonergrunt: Welcome home!!!!

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:


    I can think of possible worlds where this BS makes sense.

    Where? Bizarro World?

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    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷:

    She clearly was referring to McCain.

    I think she meant to say she was asking questions of McCain’s staffers and then to link to an older article pointing out something about McCain’s role in the Steele dossier. But she wrote the tweet badly, so the title of the article she was linking to (which was published in 2017) appeared right after the line about the role of his staff. So her failure was in presenting what she wanted to say, not in being dumb enough to think McCain was still available to answer questions.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    Dirt has a higher level of brain activity than everyone on “Team Trump” combined.

    Is anybody else tired of seeing that phrase as I am. Alliteration isn’t that fun.

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    NotMax says:


    Bebe Rebozo’s yacht must have been anchored thereabouts.

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    Platonailedit says:

    Something to get away the current mess.

    In loving memory of Eddie.At nearly 21, he was one of the oldest and most-loved sea otters on the planet.— Oregon Zoo (@OregonZoo) December 20, 2018

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    Soonergrunt says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Well, I’m about to be furloughed and I’ve been sicker than shit the last week, but I’m smarter than Katrina Pierson. It ain’t much, but it’s better than nothing.
    @Adam L Silverman: Thanks! Thinking I might try to post some around these parts.

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    SenyorDave says:

    @Roger Moore: Though experiment for liberals: if instead of just heckling conservative and centrist speakers, the Campus Left was killing and dismembering these speakers, would you support that too?

    Is this an either/or? Let me know and I’ll get back to you with an answer.

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    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷:

    Is anybody else tired of seeing that phrase as I am. Alliteration isn’t that fun.

    I think there’s some value to thinking about “Team Trump”. You just have to think about Trump’s attitude toward teamwork…

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    NotMax says:

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    Make Htrae Great Again!


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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    Sorry to hear you’r not feeling good. Getting furloughed is the icing on a shit sandwich.

    I’ve always really enjoyed your posts, when you were more active, back when I was only lurking around these parts. You totally should do so more often.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Soonergrunt: Would be nice if you’re willing.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Roger Moore:
    Then she should have just said so and admitted she made a mistake and said something stupid. Unless she has already. I just assume a brazen arrogance when discussing anyone to do with Trump.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    See! The Trump presidency! The Trump Show is like a drive-in movie that appeals to the masses, but the critics prefer the tired old Washington revue. Read more…

    I think I’d rather not. I need my neurons.

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    Jeffro says:

    @lamh36: I saw that one.

    Twitter Tricky Dick is highly alarmed at the Mattis resignation. And when TTD is alarmed, I sit up and pay attention

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    Schlemazel says:

    HEY! Nice to hear from you again!

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    Welcome back. It’s not much, but we like it. Where does life find you these days?

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Soonergrunt: I hope you will start posting again.

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    NotMax says:

    @Roger Moore

    Tain’t funny, McGee. Renewed confirmation to not examine the ingrained habit of avoiding DougJ’s posts.

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    eemom says:

    Great to see you back, Gruntster!

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    Jeffro says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Is he that douchebag that always finds some extremely odd angle on why Trumpov is awesome and everything else sucks/is boring? Mr. False Equivalency 101?

    Looking back through his tweets (which are almost all about his own columns) there are gems like “why weren’t we all wound up about foreign election interference in 2008 and 2012, huh libtards?” and other amazing apples-to-Orangemandias comparisons.

    The RWNJ mind is truly boundless with its excuses, whataboutism, and false equivalency. Why can’t we talk these people into believing that Obama was pro-oxygen?

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    eemom says:

    moderation? What’d I say? 😳

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    lamh36 says:

    Following Following @RichardEngel
    A sr military official told me US special forces troops distraught, upset, morally disturbed by having to tell their kurdish allies in Syria that, because of orders, their promises of defense won’t be kept.

    6:45 PM – 20 Dec 2018

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jeffro: I don’t know, I’ve never heard of him before. That’s why I looked him up.

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    A Ghost To Most says:


    Is he that douchebag that always finds some extremely odd angle on why Trumpov is awesome and everything else sucks/is boring? Mr. False Equivalency 101?

    This really doesn’t narrow down the list. There are several at WaPo who fit this description.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Before tonight I had never heard of either Katrina Pierson or Gary Abernathy. WaPo employs far too many wingnuts living in an alternate universe. Sad!

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Abernathy is a book banging goober from East Opiate, OH, I believe. Another wingnut affirmative action hire.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @lamh36: Not surprising at all.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @eemom: I have no idea, but you’re now free.

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    Platonailedit says:

    @lamh36: Missing Obama already, Richard, you smug prick?

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    tobie says:

    @Jeffro: there’s so much to be alarmed about right now. Trump’s taking a hard autocratic turn. He wants a few victory laps by 2019–US out of Syria and Afghanistan, Whitaker or Barr at the DOJ, construction started on a wall, accelerated voter disenfranchisement in FL, MI, WI, NC NH and OH etc.

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    lamh36 says:

    8h8 hours ago
    A Marine Corp Col killed himself this week at a VA. He was paying $1,000/month for health insurance as a veteran. He was tired. He gave up. Screw you people and your walls. #GoFundTheWall

    ETA: These idiots can raise about 6 million for a border wall (and idiots still donating), but try to give more funding to our veterans or more funding to give healthcare for all…and these mofos can’t do it…smh.. BTW…they need like 5Billion to fund that stupid wall…and guess what…$3mill ain’t even 10% of that 5Billion…smh

    Not only that, but all this worry bout the border wall and Chump is getting ready to cut funding for their EBT funds…

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    cliosfanboy says:

    Wb Soonergrunt!!!!

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    Yarrow says:

    @Soonergrunt: Please do!

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    JDM says:

    Ve have vays of making you talk!

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    Yarrow says:

    I’m so busy that I haven’t followed the news very well. Do I understand correctly that Mattis is leaving in February?

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    Gravenstone says:

    I think she’s wearing that bullet necklace a wee bit too tight. It’s gone and cut off the blood to her brain…

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    sdhays says:

    @Yarrow: His resignation is effective February 28, 2019.

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    raven says:


    “One core belief I have always held is that our strength as a nation is inextricably linked to the strength of our unique and comprehensive system of alliances and partnerships. While the US remains the indispensable nation in the free world, we cannot protect our interests or serve that role effectively without maintaining strong alliances and showing respect to those allies.”

    In that single paragraph, which sums up the sentiment of the longer letter, Mattis rejects out of hand Trump’s “America First” foreign policy that had led to clashes with a slew of longtime allies — from Germany to Britain to Australia and back. From Trump’s decision to pull out of the Paris climate accord to his recent announcement that the United States would be leaving Syria — a decision with which Mattis disagreed — Trump has shown time and time again that he rejects the post-World War II alliance structure that presidents,

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    Ben Cisco says:

    @Soonergrunt: Hey SG! Good to hear from you. Sorry about the furlough and the illness – just spent a couple of weeks on the mat myself.

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    Yarrow says:

    @sdhays: Thank you. That’s what I thought I read.

    @raven: Is that from his resignation letter? Doesn’t surprise me if so.

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    pablo says:

    Is there a dead parrot in this scenario?

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @sdhays: unless PT fires him firstbin a fit of “you aren’t quitting, you’re FIRED!” pique.

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    mapaghimagsik says:

    Wow, either magically dumb, or too dumb to write a tweet. Neither is a good look.

    Another day done at the corporate murderhole. Did some quick math with some assumptions and realized to fix the current money woes, you’d have to fire about 18000 employees. And yet, my org’s management floats around talking about our ‘indispensability’.

    Someone asked about bonuses. Finally angry enough to say out loud that there are people who wish they were alive to talk about lower bonuses. I got shrug. I think in some ways, the horror of it all is beyond their comprehension, and need to focus on the mundanities that let them feel some sort of normalcy.

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    Honus says:

    @SenyorDave: if it’s milo and Dick Spencer, yes.

    Charlottesville resident.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Yarrow: Yes.

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    Yarrow says:

    @raven: Thanks. I’ll read it when I have a minute. I’m baking bread and making dinner and wrapping presents. I can’t absorb it right now.

    Although Mattis resigning is scary I actually think it’s a good sign that this Trump era is drawing to a close, especially since he’s delaying it until February. Things are closing in on Trump. Going to be a bumpy ride, though.

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    Yarrow says:

    @NotMax: That’s not a link.
    @Adam L Silverman: Thanks.

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    NotMax says:


    Bad linky on first try. Fix.

    See here.

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    Mike in NC says:

    What kind of news dump can we look forward to on the last Friday before Christmas? Something blatantly illegal and/or immoral on the part of the Trump Administration has simply grown old.

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    Quinerly says:

    Wall gofundme page has raised $7 million. Vet who started has a questionable past.

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    Yarrow says:

    @NotMax: Thanks. Will have to read it when I have the brainpower to absorb it. I’m so tired I keep falling asleep when I sit down.

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    lamh36 says:

    Maddow connecting the dots.

    After Putin praised Chump on withdrawing troops from Syria…Putin pivotted to wondering about troop withdrawals in Afghanistan…and guess what hours later reports were Chump was also thinking about withdrawing troops from Afghanistan.

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    Mike J says:

    @Quinerly: There’s also a gofundme to buy ladders.

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    lamh36 says:

    12m12 minutes ago
    McConnell’s Office says they will begin consideration of the House-passes CR (that includes the $5 bil for the border wall) Friday afternoon, but reminds us that all 100 senators must agree to hold the vote without days of debate.

    (Also, a bunch of senators left town

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    Jeffro says:

    @A Ghost To Most:

    This really doesn’t narrow down the list. There are several at WaPo who fit this description.

    Thiessen is the blatantly lying, Dems-are-the-real-evil douchebag.

    McCardle is the imma-pretend-I’m-clever-and-sorta-Libertarian douchebag

    Will is just the addled douche who happens to hate Trumpov but hates Dems equally so there’s that.

    Abernathy only gets published once a quarter, and he seems to have more than a touch of ‘Trumpov’s a genius/breath of fresh air/so what if he’s endangering the Republic, he pisses off the libs mightily”. Folksy, rednecky stupidity.

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    jl says:

    @lamh36: Now, hey wait a minute. As far as we know, Trump was acting as Turkey’s flunky on Syria. Don’t give Putin credit for every corrupt thing Trump does. (Edit: at least for right now… I’m willing to revisit it when we get a better picture of all of Trump’s flunky deals.)

    And, I may win my no-stakes bet with Raven, Duckworth already saying Mattis needs to come to Congress and spilll… er… testify on what the hell is going on.

    Secretary Mattis should testify before Congress and answer questions about the alarming contents of his resignation letter.

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    Jay says:

    “The Russians were supposedly trying to work together with the Americans on fighting ISIS, but instead the Russians started asking all these other questions. On top of the Ziff stuff, they were reportedly asking for dirt on Putin enemies, and on the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and the National Council of Jewish Women. And get this, instead of just telling the Russians to fuck off, apparently Treasury people were Hotmailing and Gmailing with the Russians outside of official channels. Is that bad? Well yes, because obvious reasons, and also because reportedly the Russians liked to send attachments with their Hotmails, full of malware and viruses that can be used to spy or otherwise wreak havoc.

    No big deal.

    Were the Treasury folks warned that they shouldn’t be doing this? Yes, by the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN), which is part of Treasury, and keeps track of funny-lookin’ financial transactions all over the world. Was FinCEN completely freaked out? Oh my God, yes. Did the Treasury folks in question keep blabbermouthing with the Russians on back channels even once Trump was president? Yes. Has anybody resigned over this as a whistleblower? Yes, bunches of people. Was there ever a real investigation? Ummmmmmm.”

    One more question: Was the Russian agency these idiots were communicating with a legit, normal government agency, or was it really just a bunch of spies? Ummmmmmm.”

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    NotMax says:

    Sigh. Fingers and eyes not working in concert with what’s left of brain today.


    Only (snort) 993 million to go.

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    Platonailedit says:


    “We have someone who is tied in with the White House that’s in their inner-circle,” Kolfage said. “We can work on a way where we can guarantee with a contract where [the funding] can only go to the wall.”

    Must be fucking jared.

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    I think she means McCain is still alive, like Elvis and Tupac.

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    NotMax says:


    Sounds more like Pence. Jared generally avoids leaving fingerprints.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jay: It is legit, in that it formally exists, but it is considered to be subservient to the FSB. The head of the agency was in Putin’s class at the KGB school and they are long time friends.

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷: She probably thinks that means she runs interference, preventing random visitors from seeing The Donald.

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    lamh36 says:

    3h3 hours ago
    .@mike_giglio SCOOP: US set to shut a special forces base in Syria that has been the subject of repeated Russian complaints — and that some US officials have cast as a key part of US efforts not just to defeat ISIS but to counter Iranian influence there

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    Quinerly says:

    @Mike J: I know. I love the ladder page! I think they had about $20,000 the last time I checked.

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    guachi says:

    @lamh36: Cole and half the commenters on this site are fine with them getting massacred by the Turks.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @Jeffro: Yep. Don’t forget Ed Fucking Rogers.

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    Mike in NC says:

    @lamh36: Putin can buy Trump with a few rubles worth of shiny trinkets. Works every time. The FSB file on him is probably 25 years old.

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    Platonailedit says:

    “Bobs” are quite the topic of discussion in the UK right now – people “bored of Brexit”, desperate to read, talk and hear about something, anything, else.

    But if Bobs are big in the UK, spare a thought for their numbers in the EU.

    And I’m not talking men and women at European bus stops. I’m talking about EU governments.

    All EU leaders – without exception – go on their winter holidays, delighted to turn their back for 10 days at least on the countless Brexit summits, phone calls and meetings.

    “The British prime minister will be hard-pushed to persuade [French President] Emmanuel Macron to return to Brussels for her any time soon,” one well-placed source told me.

    “Brexit seems to him like a bad version of the never-ending story.

    “The UK doesn’t know what it wants but Mrs May keeps coming back to the EU anyway, asking for more, more and more.

    “Patience is thin.”

    The idea that her cabinet’s much trumpeted preparations for a no-deal Brexit might worry the EU is openly mocked in Brussels as the flimsiest of paper tigers.

    They simply don’t buy it.

    EU leaders know most UK MPs are dead-set against a no-deal scenario. They also believe that practical preparations for a cliff-edge Brexit are woefully inadequate in the UK.

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @raven: Lord Dampnut is indeed a Harding in an FDR world.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @guachi: I am not among them.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Platonailedit: That guarantee can’t be made. Any donations to the Federal government go into the general fund. Congress then has the discretion over when to appropriate that money, what to appropriate it for, and how much to actually appropriate. There are three options here: 1) someone is lying to this guy, he’s taking that person at his or her word, and is passing the inaccurate information on; 2) he’s lying; 3) he’s really dumb.

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    jl says:

    @Jay: Thanks for the story. This happened in last year of Obama administration. And by Russia deciding to con a special in-house Treasury department anti-terrorism and financial crimes unit, rather than use a new international agency. So, interesting to find out how things could go so badly wrong, even under a competent administration.

    I don’t expect Trumpsters will put a high priority on investigating this, at least not honestly. I can imagine a few Trump “OBAMA COLLUSION!’ tweets, maybe.

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    NotMax says:

    @Adam L. Silverman

    Putin’s class at the KGB school

    “The dog ate my homework. So I had him poisoned.”


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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    Yup that’s it. Is it legal to circumvent Congress like this by private citizens?

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    sdhays says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I vote for all 3!

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    lamh36 says:

    Follow Follow @jdawsey1
    Mattis was livid over Syria withdrawal, potential Afghanistan withdrawal & being kept out of decisions by John Bolton. He saw POTUS overruling him on joint chiefs of staff chair as humiliation. He disliked Trump’s friendliness w/Putin, among other things.

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    Jay says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    What they were asking for, wasn’t legit, and that’s not the only Russians in FinCen as the article notes.

    Eg. Somebody at FinCen buried Trump info and kept it hidden from House and Senate Commitees.

    I’m starting to suspect that 45% of ‘Murkins, are really FSB/SBS/GRU Day X deep cover.

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    chris says:

    So I think I’m caught up. Dog help us all. I got nothin’.

    Lord [D]onald said nothing; he flung himself from the room, flung himself upon his horse and rode madly off in all directions.
    “Gertrude the Governess”, Nonsense Novels (1911) Stephen Leacock

    Good to see you, Soonergrunt

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    Platonailedit says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I will take door no. 2 given his previous scams about which he reeeally doen’t want to talk about since they are mere ‘distractions’.

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    jl says:

    @Platonailedit: May needs a break too. I saw a grimly hilarious clip of May losing her shit because some EU guy called her and her talk, ‘nebulous’.

    Amazing that the UK is putting itself through this mess over a non-binding popular referendum, that was irresponsibly called as a political stunt by one of the most humongous and pointless assholes in recent UK political history.

    Edit: I think it is accurate to say the ass Cameron called the referendum as a cheap and easy way to deal with some intraparty problems that he was too feckless and lazy to actually work to solve.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    I can’t speak for Cole or others, but I’m not ok with that. Just another instance of our word as a nation not worth anything thanks to Trump.

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    catclub says:

    @raven: after that statement, one might ask him why he took the job in the first place.

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    NotMax says:

    Adam, you’re more up to speed on all this than we are. Has there been a statement of any sort from Hezbollah?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jay: I read the article earlier today, before all the news broke at once. FINCEN appears to have some significant issues. Much more than were suspected on the basis of the previous reporting about the whistleblowers referenced in this article.

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    lamh36 says:

    Follow Follow @thehill
    US will close base in Syria that Russia complained about

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    raven says:

    @NotMax: BEIRUT, Lebanon — America’s Kurdish allies in Syria are discussing the release of 3,200 Islamic State prisoners, a prominent monitoring group and a Western official of the anti-Islamic State coalition said on Thursday, a day after President Trump ordered the withdrawal of all American troops from the country.

    Top officials of the Syrian Democratic Forces, the Kurdish-led and American-supported militia fighting the Islamic State in eastern Syria, met on Wednesday to discuss the option of releasing about 1,100 Islamic State fighters and 2,080 relatives of the group’s members, according to Rami Abdul Rahman, the head of the Syrian Observatory on Human Rights.

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    sukabi says:

    @lamh36: I think drumpfs team was actually successful at getting that secret back channel to putin set up.

    Adding, Stephen Miller’s ridiculous spray on hair is gone today… I’m pretty sure it was lead based as he’s a bit more unhinged than usual.

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    catclub says:

    @NotMax: $4B + $993M to go.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @NotMax: I have not checked, but I’ve also not seen mention of it when perusing social media.

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    Pogonip says:

    @Soonergrunt: Hi Soonergrunt, I believe they’re cobbling together a CR.

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    Mary G says:

    @Adam L Silverman: He ran a tiny newspaper in the Midwest somewhere and wrote a column about the misunderstood Trump voters right after the presidential election and pretty much dared Fred Hiatt to publish it. Fred made the unfortunate decision to take him on and has been putting up his nonsense every two months or so.

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    raven says:

    CNN)The US military has been ordered to begin planning to withdraw about half the troops in Afghanistan, a US defense official with direct knowledge of the matter told CNN on Thursday.

    The official said planning is underway, and it could take months to withdraw the nearly 7,000 troops.
    The decision was made Tuesday, at the same time as President Donald Trump’s decision to withdraw the US military from Syria — moves that precipitated Defense Secretary James Mattis’ resignation announcement on Thursday.

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    Platonailedit says:

    Chris Murphy just said on @maddow that many senators have already left. Brian Schatz landed in Hawaii an hour ago and he's getting on a red eye to come back to D.C. to vote tomorrow by noon.— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) December 21, 2018

    So much for this bs would not pass the senate.

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    Jeffro says:

    @A Ghost To Most: OMG I hate that asshole too. Tomorrow is for writing the Post editorial board and/or whomever and complaining about the sheer stupidity and outright lying by these people. I’m good with an actual conservative making actual conservative arguments, but lying and stupidity in service of corruption is…corruption.

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    Baud says:

    @Platonailedit: WTF are you talking about?

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    Ken says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    There are three options here:

    Where does “he’s running a con” fit? (“He’s being conned” falls under #1, I guess.)

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Platonailedit: It will still likely not pass the Senate.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Mary G:

    He ran a tiny newspaper in the Midwest somewhere and wrote a column about the misunderstood Trump voters right after the presidential election and pretty much dared Fred Hiatt to publish it. Fred made the unfortunate decision to take him on and has been putting up his nonsense every two months or so.

    Looks like…like…I’m gonna have to double-dog-dare Fred Hiatt to let me start pointing out what a moron Abernathy is, or host a debate, or demand equal time (albeit with a much better column based in fact), or something. Abernathy is a dumb hick’s idea of a really, really smart person seen in the mirror.

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    B.B.A. says:

    Why is pulling out of Afghanistan a bad thing? Yeah, Putin said he wants it, but if Putin told you not to jump off a bridge, would you do it?

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    Baud says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Chris Murphy said it won’t get a single Dem vote. No exception for Manchin even.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Ken: #2, which is he’s lying.

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    tobie says:

    @guachi: I actually think more people were upset by the decision and its implications for the Kurds than for it. That said, there definitely is a divide on the left between those who want a liberal order and those who view the latter as a neoliberal order. Populism’s two main pillars are protectionism and isolationism. It’s an understandable reaction to Bush’s catastrophic adventurism and the cost in human lives and the devastation of the long recession but it doesn’t really help us figure out how to get out of the various quagmire’s we’re caught in.

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    Mary G says:

    @Soonergrunt: I see you on Twitter, so I know you’re alive, but it would be great if you posted here if you have time.

    Katrina isn’t the only clown in the Trump parade:

    .@PressSec on Fox says the Mattis resignation story is just a media obsession. “I think that this is probably something that will be made into a much bigger thing in the media than it — than it will be in the White House over the coming weeks.”— Annie Karni (@anniekarni) December 21, 2018

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    lamh36 says:

    McConnell’s statement on Mattis resignation.

    fluffy bullshit as usual.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Baud: Corker made it pretty clear this afternoon as he was leaving for home, he’s not coming back. I think Kyl’s resignation may already be effective. So that’s at least one, if not two votes that McConnell can’t count on. If Flake’s gone home and decides that like Corker he’s not coming back, that’ll make this very difficult to pass, even if they waive cloture, without Democratic votes.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @lamh36: Not even bullshit. He blamed Mattis.

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    frosty says:

    @Soonergrunt: I’ve enjoyed reading your stuff since I started reading this blog stuff on the GOS. Hope you decide to post once in awhile.

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    Platonailedit says:

    @Baud: The senate critters are all going home, so this won’t pass the senate meme is the fuck I am talking about.

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    Duane says:

    @Mike in NC: Trumpov gave a statement about immigration today so full of gibberish, word salad and lies it must have oozed out his ears. It made “the” and “but” ashamed of the association. The chaos of republican governance isn’t just wrong, it’s dangerous.

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    tobie says:

    @B.B.A.: For starters, given that we’re working with allies there (NATO among them), we should probably negotiate an exit strategy with them instead of doing this on our own. I would think we would also try to negotiate some terms with the Taliban, so the situation does not turn into total chaos when we leave

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    Quinerly says:

    @Platonailedit: needs 60 votes.

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    chopper says:


    next two months and change are gonna be pretty damn uncomfortable for mattis. thomto be honest after his letter makes the rounds i’m sure trump will replace him
    earlier than that.

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    Platonailedit says:

    @Quinerly: Or is it 51?

    Reconciliation is a legislative process of the United States Congress that allows expedited passage of certain budgetary legislation on spending, revenues, and the federal debt limit with a simple majority vote in both the House (218 votes) and Senate (51 votes). Senate rules prohibit filibustering and impose a 20-hour cap on the total time for debate, motions and amendments related to reconciliation bills.

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    Kay says:

    Shouldn’t base Republicans have been mad at Trump a year ago, when he didn’t get money for his wall and he had a GOP Congress?

    Why didn’t they insist Republicans give it to him?

    This is an intra Republican fight as far as I’m concerned. I think the wall will be a giant, corrupt boondoggle and I don’t want anything to do with it. If they wanted a wall they shoulda got the money a year ago.

    20% of voters can go scream at their GOP representatives. It’s not our problem.

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    Kay says:


    Hi soonergrunt. We missed you.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Platonailedit: IIRC, they can use reconciliation once per year and they’ve already used it up

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    lamh36 says:

    58m58 minutes ago
    The real test for each GOP Senator tonight is whether they believe the appropriate response to Trump is to demand a change in policy or a change in the presidency.

    The real sin is they’ve known the answer to that question all along.

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    Quinerly says:

    @Platonailedit: I don’t think they can use reconciliation again.

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    eemom says:


    I’m good with an actual conservative making actual conservative arguments

    And you have seen this where? Are you good with flying pigs too?

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    lamh36 says:


    Michael Steele Retweeted Axios
    @realDonaldTrump and @SpeakerRyan ¿Es esto en pesos?

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    Kay says:

    Trump has asked for, variously, 8 billion, then 25 billion, then 20, and now 5 billion. They’re just making up numbers. They have no fucking idea how much this thing is going to cost and they’re corrupt as hell. It could be 50 billion. They want a blank check.

    Slush fund is right. They’ll be grifting off this thing for the next 20 years. Best to just choke it off now, or they’ll be appropriating wall funding from your grandchildren.

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    J R in WV says:


    Good to see you again Soonergrunt!

    Keep in touch. Hope you feel better asap! Raining hard here, the hillside is gurgling loudly.

    OT: I have a new laptop, System76… so far I like it OK. Ubuntu V 18.04…

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    mvr says:

    @NotMax: He has fingerprints?

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @eemom: THIS

    At this point, they’re all treasonous scum.

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    Mike in NC says:

    @Kay: $100 billion is a nice round number. Few federal government projects come in without massive cost overruns.

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    Jay says:


    He’s been a Wingnut Grifter with a Troll Army like a baby Alex Jones since since he got out of the Hospital.

    Legal costs, consulting, administration fees, clerical fees are going to suck enough money out of the “Wall” GoFundMe to set him up for life.

    It’s not his first GoFundMe Grift, or social media grift.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    Vice President Pence has not been interviewed by the special counsel and has not appeared before his grand jury, according to a person familiar with his status in the investigation. Pence turned over emails to Mueller covering the presidential transition, the person said.


    Why hasn’t Mueller interviewed Pence? Is he a target?

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    J R in WV says:


    So they’ve raised less than a tenth of a percent of the $$5 billion, which isn’t enough to do the job anyway?

    Also there’s a GoFundMe for ladders, that won’t need nearly as much $$ as a wall fund!

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    Mandalay says:

    Marco Rubio on the resignation of Mattis:

    Gen.Mattis has served our nation with great distinction. He will not be easy to replace. For the sake of our national security I hope his decision to resign was motivated solely by a desire to enjoy a well deserved retirement.

    Rubio is bursting to attack Trump over this, but he simply lacks the stones. So he ends up putting out a wimpy statement of drivel that everyone can despise. A weak and cowardly politician.

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    Mary G says:

    ERMAGOD Adam, you need to name some new candidates; even Cotton doesn’t want to handle the hot potato:

    Retired Army Gen. Jack Keane called the move a “strategic mistake” on Twitter. Republican Sens. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) and Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) signed a letter demanding that Trump reconsider, warning that the withdrawal bolsters Iran and Russia. Speculation began that Trump might reach outside the world of retired generals and politicians and seek someone from the defense industry.


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    J R in WV says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Why not (20 AND (3) ??!!!?

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    dww44 says:

    @schrodingers_cat: also too. So good to have you here again!

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    NotMax says:


    Today’s letter is B, for boondoggle.

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    NotMax says:

    @Mary G

    Erik Prince wearing out the number pad on his phone about now.

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    Mary G says:

    @Mary G: The editor isn’t loading my comment for some reason, but here’s another hair-raising quote from the WaPo article:“

    There’s going to be an intervention,” one former senior administration official said speculatively. “Jim Mattis just sent a shot across the bow. He’s the most credible member of the administration by five grades of magnitude. He’s the steady, safe set of hands. And this letter is brutal. He quit because of the madness.”

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    Mandalay says:

    The gofundme begging bowl for the wall is now over $10 million, but nobody could have predicted that the man behind it is a shameless grifter:

    The man who has raised over $9 million for Trump’s border wall on GoFundMe previously ran a network of fake news websites, NBC News reports. Brian Kolfage, a triple-amputee Iraq War veteran who made the fundraising page, reportedly fails to mention his history of running a Facebook page called Right Wing News on the GoFundMe. Right Wing News reportedly had a “ring of affiliate sites” which frequently posted conspiracy theories during the 2016 election. The site was taken down by Facebook earlier this year for “using fake accounts… to drive traffic to their websites” and being “ad farms” disguised as forums for political debate, according to NBC.

    After the page and websites were taken down, Kolfage reportedly created another fundraiser called Fight4FreeSpeech—which also is not mentioned on the border wall GoFundMe. Kolfage told NBC News he didn’t mention his previous pages or fundraisers because he “didn’t want it to be a distraction.” “I don’t wanna mix the two. That shouldn’t be the focus,” he said. “My personal issues have nothing to do with building the wall.” Kolfage also claimed he knew someone in the White House’s “inner-circle,” and pledged that the cause was legitimately for the wall. “We can work on a way where we can guarantee with a contract where [the funding] can only go to the wall,” he said.

    Step 1: Immediately get millions of dollars from the rubes.
    Step 2: Uh…“work on a way where we can guarantee with a contract where [the funding] can only go to the wall”.

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    Jay says:

    @A Ghost To Most:

    As we know to date, all the “leaks” on whom/what/where/how/why on the Meuller Investigation are coming from inside the White Supremacy House.

    You will know that Meuller’s Team have interviewed the Pencil when he’s added to the indictments.

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    Mary G says:

    Former special operator who later joined the CIA: “So yeah, the guardrails of sanity have been removed…we’re fucked.”— Ken Dilanian (@KenDilanianNBC) December 20, 2018

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    Schlemazel says:

    @Mary G:
    SecDef Javanka

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    Platonailedit says:

    @Mary G: Doesn’t the cia have how to dispose off mad dictators madcap schemes on the tap any more?

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    Mary G says:

    @Schlemazel: Just now a bot that follows the Trumps on Twitter so you don’t have to said that Ivanka liked Katrina’s tweet that was the subject of this post.

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    Platonailedit says:

    How you write a resignation letter like that, basically calling Trump a raggedy dumb bitch who finna bring on WWIII, but you gonna stay at your job for two more months after that? 😂— Bey Phi Bey, Philly Chapter President. (@brownandbella) December 20, 2018


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    Platonailedit says:

    There were never adults in the room, but there were always traitors in the treasury.

    There was never a pivot, but there was always spin.

    There was a chance, maybe, but those who could have stopped this didn't have guts or conscience or will. Traitors in their own way too.

    — Sarah Kendzior (@sarahkendzior) December 20, 2018

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    NotMax says:

    Overheard tonight in the Cruz household:

    “Was that the phone?”

    “For the thousandth time, no, Ted.”

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    Mike in NC says:

    @Platonailedit: After failing to make Fidel Castro’s beard fall out, the CIA basically called off that program.

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    Jay says:


    Somebody’s got to manage the retreat of US Forces with out it turning into a rout and slaughter.

    The Insance Clown POSus won’t,

    And after the Dolchstoßlegende you guys are pulling, when we came in to help bail you out, the rest of NATO, the Kurds and the Afghan’s might not give a rat’s ass about providing cover fire while you run away.

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    Mart says:

    @Soonergrunt: Get well. I got a bug bite 12 weeks ago that has been raging holy hell on me. Think had allergic reaction to a fly bite in NC. Maybe the last round of antibiotics caught it… Enough of that, always look forward to reading your posts.

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    Chris Johnson says:

    @A Ghost To Most: No shit he’s a target. Pence is the obvious Russian-puppet and was always meant to become President, and then to do all the shit Trump is doing now (or has done) but looking Presidential and not being a flaming nutbar like Trump. Pence can obey his master the way Trump can’t, and Pence can bullshit you with a straight face and believe his own con.

    He’s Putin’s guy, whose job it is to wait and look Steely-Eyed And Determined when he looks at his master. Because that’s necessary, and that’s a subtlety that Trump could never do.

    He’s a little more challenging of a target because he’s got enough discipline not to flail, but Mueller’s got to have an answer for Pence before he moves on Trump. The worst outcome would be to take out Trump and have Pence be in there as a more effective puppet of Putin while also supposedly being the rescuer and patriot.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @B.B.A.: The only reason Putin would tell me not to jump off a bridge would be because he had a knife ready to stick in my back, and then a handy window to defenestrate me, so…your point?

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