WASHINGTON (AP) — Nancy Pelosi, who's likely to be the next House speaker, says Democrats running the chamber next year will make initial moves toward getting President Donald Trump's tax returns.
— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) December 13, 2018
Nancy Pelosi Will Quit Being Speaker Soon As The Rest Of Y'all Dead https://t.co/vgw6Y9yB6w via @EvanHurst
— Wonkette (@Wonkette) December 14, 2018
… OK, we are saying a hyperbole, but she promises she will quit being speaker once she is 83. (83!) She is 78 right now, so basically she is saying she’ll be the boss of two more Congresses and then she will hand her gavel to somebody who’s ready on day one like a common Nancy Pelosi. (Presumably, this gives her a chance to finish grooming whomever is best suited to take her spot.)
See? Everybody wins. Also? LIKE A BOSS.
‘Her skills are real’: How Pelosi put down a Democratic rebellion in bid for speaker Via @mikedebonis and @costareports https://t.co/NMHUdUD7Ok
— Matea Gold (@mateagold) December 14, 2018
… Pelosi, 78, clinched the votes she needed late Wednesday after announcing support for a term limits deal that would allow her to serve as speaker for another four years. Seven dissident Democrats immediately said they would support her, paving the way for her election Jan. 3.
Former House majority leader Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo.) called it “a very typical performance by a really talented political figure.”
“The fact that she’s been speaker and will be speaker again is testimony to her enormous ability, her toughness, her off-the-charts work ethic, and her ability to interact with people and negotiate with people and come to a conclusion,” he said. “She works harder than any human being I’ve ever known.”…
You won’t have any sustained success in politics if you’re only looking out for yourself, and you can’t be trusted by your ostensible allies; e.g., Seth Moulton:https://t.co/P2zxAwsExm
— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) December 14, 2018
… The six-week battle over the speaker’s chair was vintage Pelosi. Relying on a mix of pressure tactics she’d sharpened during three decades in Congress, Pelosi waited out her critics, wore them down and then threw them a bone as they looked for a way out.
The group of anti-Pelosi rebels faced an uphill battle from the start. Pelosi maintained immense support within the caucus, and she had powerful allies outside Congress whipping for her. And opposition from the massive incoming class of freshmen wasn’t as strong as many had thought.The rebels, meanwhile, wanted Pelosi gone — but that’s where their agreement ended. Her critics had different motivations for opposing her and different strategies for dethroning her. That discord ultimately weakened their hand during negotiations.
“People started to get cold feet and decided they didn’t want to do it. They were under a lot of pressure,” said a regretful Rep. Kurt Schrader (D-Ore.), a Pelosi critic who still plans to oppose her on the House floor. “The goal all along — until a week or two — was to get a new, younger generation speaker of the House that represented the country and the future of our party. That did not happen.”
The rebels did win a victory — just not the one they sought. Pelosi will be in the speaker’s chair in January, to the chagrin of most of Perlmutter’s group. She remains the face of the party and the new House Democratic majority and will become the most important Democrat in the nation, at least until the party anoints a presidential nominee…
Rep. Moulton is not a stupid person (he’d be a perfectly fine New England moderate Republican, if the breed still existed), so it is to be hoped he’s learned some valuable lessons from his premature stunt-challenge. (And soon, because right now there’s support for a primary challenge in 2020.) Nancy Pelosi is ‘Nancy Smash’ because she’s remembered the basic rule for success: Never promise what you can’t deliver, and always deliver what you’ve promised.
No wonder the Squatter-in-Chief is having a bad weekend…
'I think the Oval Office is an evidence-free zone.' — Rep. Nancy Pelosi laughed off Trump's claim that he's already gotten Mexico to pay for the border wall pic.twitter.com/moh1AVLiUW
— NowThis (@nowthisnews) December 13, 2018
Last night the image of @NancyPelosi calmly walking away after blowing up Trump's plan was projected on the San Francisco Federal Building pic.twitter.com/QOdHePTNPh
— ?RiotWomenn? (@riotwomennn) December 13, 2018
Trump’s Christmas nightmare. pic.twitter.com/mEJYleyYVb
— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) December 15, 2018
Adam L Silverman
Soon to be Speaker Pelosi is basically:
Viva BrisVegas
Nancy Pelosi needs to retire, when Nancy Pelosi wants to retire.
That said, after saving the US from these Republican mobsters, she fully deserves at least some retirement time before her inevitable, though still tragic, demise at age 127.
jl
I think I read on this here very blog that one of the people Pelosi is grooming is Ted Lieu. How would he do as a follow-up?
Anyone else?
Ruckus
I’m not as old as Nancy, but not that far behind. And I’d like a younger crew to fight for all of us because while this is my now, this is their future.
But. And it’s a big, firm, round but, Nancy knows her job very well, is as progressive as the day is long and we’d be absolutely stupid to push her out because she’s old enough to be their grandma. Grandma gets shit done.
Baud
@Ruckus:
Don’t read the early Iowa polls.
Fair Economist
Those are hysterical photoshops!
Luthe
@jl: I don’t know about his cat-herding skills, but he is awesome at social media, both in explaining policy and owning conservative idiots (but I repeat myself). If he does have cat-herding chops, he will make a fine Speaker.
Adam L Silverman
@jl: He’d do very, very well. He’s a sharp person, excellent Staff Judge Advocate in the Reserves, and a very good member of Congress.
Mnemosyne
Totally non-political, but our youngest cat has been trying to entice the middle cat into playing with her, despite the middle cat’s hisses and growls.
And yet when the youngest cat gave up and went into the kitchen for a snack, who followed her in a fit of “I will not be ignored!” pique? ?
A Ghost To Most
January is coming.
Ruckus
@jl:
Don’t know all that much about him but he seems to be a very proper candidate. It seems though that we have a number of new(ish) faces in the house that could fill the bill. The one’s who can’t are the ones still fighting Nancy. The guy from Oregon, Seth M from stupidville. They can’t see the future for their own power hungry desires. We don’t need them, especially trying to lead. They may actually be good democrats but the power play really should take them out of the running as speaker.
Adam L Silverman
@Baud: We’re 13 months or so from the Iowa caucuses. And 23 months from the next general election. I wouldn’t read too much into that poll.
Dorothy A. Winsor
I love Wonkette.
Fair Economist
@jl: The problem is the primary qualification for the Speaker’s job is the ability to twist arms, to sweettalk, and to know which of those to do in any situation. Nobody outside the House is going to know how anybody is doing. If he replaces Hoyer or Clyburn you’ll know he’s doing well, but I don’t expect either of those to lose their jobs until they retire, because both represent significant factions in the House Caucus.
oatler.
But coprolites like Grassley never die.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud:
So Baud!2020!! is doing well in Iowa?
Baud
@Adam L Silverman: I’m not.
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Less well now that Iowa Old Lady has moved to Illinois.
sdhays
I still marvel at how these numbskulls went into a leadership election without even one single candidate. The only “candidate” they ever had was someone who wasn’t originally part of their group and really just dipped her toe in, only to find the water scaldingly hot.
Seriously, if you want “younger leadership”, then recruit a slate of candidates and mount an actual leadership bid. Prove to your colleagues that you have what it takes to actually lead the caucus and that you’re not just whiny-ass babies. If I were a Democratic Congressman, even if I didn’t like Pelosi, there’s no way in hell that I would have supported these clowns just because there was clearly nothing but butthurt powering them. They’re lazy, disorganized, and completely confused about the mood of their own caucus and supporters.
If you want to replace Pelosi, prove that you CAN!
AThornton
The only thing presidential polling is telling us is name recognition.
WaterGirl
@Baud: Very glad to see you here again, Baud. I have been thinking about you all week.
?BillinGlendaleCA
Here’s a pic of Comet Witanen that I took this morning. I took that before the pic of the Orion Nebula.
Ruckus
@Baud:
Well they did elect 3 dems out of 4 reps. Don’t think that made up for #4 though.
And I never pay attention to polls. When I tutored statistics in college a lot of my clients were good in math and didn’t understand why they couldn’t get statistics. Their first problem is that statistics uses math but is not a mathematical system. You design a system, which is you create the rules to get either the answer you want or the actual information. Without knowing the rules and the collected information, you really don’t know what you are seeing. Yes we need statistics in life because it’s too big and too random to deal with otherwise. But polls about people’s beliefs, which politics is, is not going to be all that helpful to predicting what those people will do, unless they are totally skewed in one way or another. Which doesn’t really help explain politics. CA is very blue. But we have some of the most republican reps in the house, some of whom got their asses handed to them. I imagine that a lot of Californians know individual 1 voters. I for sure know 2 and my circle is tiny.
dnfree
I like Adam Schiff and I don’t understand why he isn’t mentioned for leadership positions more often.
debbie
@Ruckus:
The younger crew can’t just step into the position. This is not a child’s game. They should latch onto the apprenticeship she’s offered.
Having said that, Moulton deserves a very long career on the American equivalent of the back bench.
Jackie
I have full trust in Nancy SMASH having a handful of recruits she’ll groom and mentor to replace her when that time comes.
Jay
@debbie:
Moulton deserves a primary.
p.a.
The breadth and depth of this admin’s corruption may mean we, and the current D leadership, will get a good chance to see who the effective future leaders seem to be. There will have to be a lot of delegation of responsibility to rein in then clean up this current shitstain. Also too, unfortunately, lots of opportunities for grandstanding Wilmerism.
A Ghost To Most
@dnfree: Agreed. But that does not seem to be a popular pick.
SFAW
I think I noted it a few days ago, but in that Glob article, the picture of Moulton looks more than a bit like Devin Nunes.
Platonailedit
He is apparently a totus turd defender.
Gin & Tonic
Salted shortbread day. I made the salted shortbread chocolate chunk cookies from the NYT that were a thing earlier this year, and the salted shortbread pistachio cookies that are in this year’s NYT Christmas cookie recipes.
Verdict: the pistachio ones are easy to make (other than having to shell the nuts) and are very good. The chocolate ones are supposedly the author’s alternate take on chocolate chip cookies, and I’m not convinced. They’re tasty, but they’re more difficult to make and I’m not sure the increased difficulty gives you that much. It’s a rolled and cut cookie, as opposed to a spooned/drop cookie, and it’s incredibly difficult to cut through a chilled dough log with big chunks of chocolate in it without having every other cookie fall to pieces before you even get it in the oven. Plus you’re supposed to brush it with egg and roll in coarse sugar before cutting, which means your hands are coated with an egg-sugar mix making it hard to handle the unbaked cookies.
Platonailedit
You get what you voted for.
Corner Stone
@SFAW:
He reminds me more of a slightly slimmer Erick Erickson.
rikyrah
@jl:
Ted Lieu has NFTG.
CliosFanBoy
@Platonailedit: he was also a birther and a huge fan of Caribou Barbie.
CliosFanBoy
me too.
rikyrah
@Jay:
Absolutely ??
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
It’s ironic how a few years ago some thought Moulton was presidential material. Now that he’s shown his true colors, I doubt he’s going to be more than a US Rep now. He may even lose that if he’s successfully primaried in two years.
What a bunch of fools to oppose Pelosi. Now wasn’t the time for that kind of shit. I also agree with those saying it’s ridiculous to kneecap Pelosi because of her age.
Corner Stone
@Jackie:
People keep repeating this. But she has said she would probably have retired if HRC won the presidency. At that point, who had she groomed to take over and step in? Hoyer and Clyburn?
dmsilev
Something …weird landed in my email inbox just now. Unlike many of the other weird emails I’ve gotten, this one came as part of the nightly set of new posts to the physics preprint service (arxiv.org), which is a repository for new and by-and-large-serious research. There are exceptions….
Basically goes off the rails right at the beginning, and then goes downhill from there.
sgrAstar
@Gin & Tonic: there is no improvement to be made on the original chocolate chip cookie recipe. None.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Platonailedit:
I think Mr. Orban needs to be removed from power.
dmsilev
@Corner Stone: Look at committee chairs/ranking members, not just the central leadership. That’s especially true now since the chances of passing serious legislation over the next few years (Senate, plus Trump’s veto) are basically nil, so all of the action is going to be in committee investigations.
Ruckus
@debbie:
Exactly my point, you just made it in far fewer words.
Grandma gets shit done, because she’s learned how over the years. The youngsters haven’t.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@dmsilev:
I’m not well-versed in physics, though I have an interest in that field, in a popular sense, but why can’t the brain process information quantum mechanically?
Mnemosyne
@dnfree:
@A Ghost To Most:
I suspect that Schiff wants to run for Feinstein’s seat in the Senate when she finally retires. At least, I hope he does.
He’s slightly on the more conservative side when it comes to economics (meaning that he likes to be “business-friendly”) so he’s probably not a great fit for House leadership right now, and is smart enough to know it.
Chetan Murthy
@dmsilev: Oh haha! Care to provide a pointer to the original article? Just for giggles? Here’s one in exchange: Are We Quantum Computers?
HAHAHA. The guy parted some family foundation from $1.2m, and he’s gonna SPEND IT! Love that shit!
Chetan Murthy
@Mnemosyne:
Amen. Amen.
Ruckus
@dmsilev:
Me thinks someone may have smoked something before typing that out. Maybe a lot of something.
TS (the original)
A women in politics doesn’t have to be twice as good as a man – she has to be 10 times as good – and still the little twerps deny her skills. While Ms Pelosi does her job, trump bemoans his fate – and the media still give him less angst than they give any woman who dares to be outstanding.
Gin & Tonic
@sgrAstar: Interestingly, someone once ran an analysis – with the original recipe – of letting it sit for 12, 24 and 36 hours before baking and found that the flavor gets noticeably better if the dough sits longer.
Adam L Silverman
@Gin & Tonic: Electric carving knife.
Gin & Tonic
@sgrAstar: Adding, this is a different recipe, for a different cookie. It is worth trying. I’m not yet sure it’s worth repeating. But the note at the end is at least realistic: it says after baking, allow to cool slightly before eating them all.
Ruckus
@Gin & Tonic:
It would never have lasted 12 hrs in my house without an armed guard. Hell mom alone wouldn’t have lasted 24 hrs.
Corner Stone
@dmsilev: Sure, after the blue wave of 2018. We’ll see some new outsourced leadership. But that ignores what would have happened in 2016 ish.
Adam L Silverman
@Platonailedit:
Ya think?
This is classic national-syndicalism.
Gin & Tonic
@Adam L Silverman: I don’t have one. Given the crumbliness of the unbaked dough, I’m not sure that would be enough. But I’m not going to buy one just for this.
smike
@Ruckus:
Since these challengers to Pelosi’s leadership showed zero leadership ability, or even ability to plan and build alliances, they really showed their asses. I feel they fancy themselves as rulers, but they fail by relying on their own perceived abilities.
Gin & Tonic
@Ruckus: That’s the universal comment on that study. When you want fresh cookies, you want them today, not the day after tomorrow.
Adam L Silverman
@dmsilev:
Does this explain why my head sweats a lot when I work out? Because I often use gym time as a way to let things I’m working on analytically process in the background while I’m trying to rip muscles off my bones in the foreground.//
Adam L Silverman
@sgrAstar: Just make sure you’re using 1/2 dark brown and 1/2 light brown sugar.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Ruckus:
@Gin & Tonic:
I’ve been wanting to make some chocolate chip cookies for Christmas this year. Lots of people have been getting those Nestle Toll House dough slabs. I’m gonna snag me one.
Speaking of which, has anyone tried making those recipes that are on the sides of stuff you buy at the grocery store?
dmsilev
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: Several things. For starters, saying “the brain is a quantum computer” is something you have to justify, not just assert. Everything we know about quantum computers suggest that they work only when highly isolated from the messy outside world, and the brain is hardly an isolated environment. Conventional understanding most certainly could be wrong, but a bald assertion to the contrary isn’t going to do the trick. Moving onwards to the second sentence, some quantum computers are based on superconducting systems. Many more are not. The statement “quantum, therefore superconducting” is again a logical leap which needs support. I can’t comment on what ‘graphene was used as a room-temperature quantum mediator’ means (I’m also not convinced the author knows what that phrase means either), but in general most of the interesting quantum effects in electronic transport in graphene are seen at cryogenic temperatures. Also, 2063 K for a superconducting transition temperature isn’t just “rather high”, it’s over a factor of ten higher than anything we’ve ever observed, which spikes the bullshit meter. The paper itself spends a lot of time pointing out every time it references a piece of work that won a Nobel, again a sign of trouble.
TLDR: A lot of grandiose claims with dubious supporting evidence, all of which have to pan out in order for the thing to make sense.
Suzanne
@jl: I hope that’s true, because I think Ted Lieu is fabulous, and I hope he has a long and successful career in leadership.
SFAW
@Corner Stone:
Hmm. Can’t really disagree.
dmsilev
@Adam L Silverman: No, because if your brain was superconducting, thinking hard wouldn’t generate heat.
Gin & Tonic
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: Making chocolate chip cookies according to the recipe on the Toll House bag is about the easiest thing one can do in the kitchen short of boiling water.
I’m looking for a recipe on the side of this butternut squash but I can’t find one. These oranges don’t have any recipes on them either. Where do you shop?
JanieM
Okay, so the tags include “Open Thread” and the following quote (from the OP, quoting wonkette) gives me a chance to express my inner grammar nerditude without having to nitpick the comments of any BJ jackals:
It should be “whoever is best suited to take her spot.” In grammar nerd terms, the pronoun takes the case that fits its role within the clause. It is not the object of “grooming” but the subject of “is.”
/pet peeve pedantry
Chetan Murthy
@Gin & Tonic:
Thai pumpkin curry. With or without chicken. That. Is. All.
Wapiti
I have a nephew who seriously hates to eat anything with nuts in it. I made toll house cookies, substituting 1c of rolled oats for the 1c of nuts, and the cookies came out very good. Not too oaty, and nicely moist. (I also use a mix of semi-sweet and dark chocolate chips, 3/4c of each.)
trollhattan
@dnfree:
Love Schiff. Smart, experienced and accepts no Republican malarkey, to borrow the Bidenism.
Jackie
@Corner Stone: Well, now we’ll never know ? I honestly think there’s always been “a plan.”
Gin & Tonic
@Chetan Murthy: Maybe you’re buying a different brand of squash. Mine have no recipes.
Adam L Silverman
@Gin & Tonic: Okay. What if you roll the dough out into a sheet and use a ring cookie cutter?
dm
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: There’s some good evidence for quantum activity in the nervous system. Luca Turin thinks of sense of smell works due to measuring quantum resonances of odor molecules, with good experimental evidence to back it up.
And, of course, Roger Penrose is completely sold on quantum effects being part of consciousness, but I’ve not read him.
I’ll pass on superconductivity in the brain, though.
Chetan Murthy
@Gin & Tonic: I get the GMO kind. The skin is a cookbook!
Adam L Silverman
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: Just use the recipe I posted here a while back. It’s easy to do, doesn’t take too long. Just remember to refrigerate the dough before your spoon it out onto the cookie sheet.
Gin & Tonic
@Adam L Silverman: It’s a shortbread dough, so it’s too “stiff” for that, I think. And a key part of it is the egg wash and rolling in demerara sugar before cutting the rounds, which gives you a very crisp edge. Maybe if I freeze the logs after the sugar coating.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@dmsilev:
Thanks! I also looked up the superconducting thing and knew it was complete bullshit.
The premise is interesting, but it sounds crazy otherwise. Is this the guy who got 1.2 million from that family foundation to do research that Chet referenced, btw? Do you think he really believes this or is he just grifting?
Chetan Murthy
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
Doubt it. The guy I linked-to is a theoretical physicist. Just lookin’ for $$ AFAICT.
Adam L Silverman
@dmsilev: But would it generate light?//
coin operated
Adam L Silverman
@Gin & Tonic: They changed the recipe a bit about ten or fifteen years ago. It should be 2 cups and 2 tablespoons of flour, not whatever they currently state in the recipe. And make sure to mix the brown sugar – 1/2 cup dark and 1/2 cup light. The recipe on the package only states: 1 cup brown sugar.
Chetan Murthy
@Chetan Murthy: Oh, here’s a link: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1812.05602v1.pdf
I’m not a physicist, so I can’t judge the guy’s reputation. But I think if he’s on the level, we should see a bunch of citations of his work, and reproductions, from reputable labs. Uh, obvs. over time. Give it a year.
Adam L Silverman
@Wapiti: Just leaves the nuts out completely. They’re an optional add in. I highly recommend using the Guittard dark chocolate baking chips. They come in the red bag.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Gin & Tonic:
Cheeky. I meant on the sides of the cans and packages.
I once thought chestnuts were rocks. I’d never seen any before. Also the butternut squash totally looks phallic.
Adam L Silverman
@Gin & Tonic: I think if you freeze them, that should work. Then a very sharp carving knife and you should be good to go. Might need something with a little weight to it, like a Chinese cleaver or a santoku.
Villago Delenda Est
@JanieM: I’ll pass this on to Evan tomorrow so he can come up with a scalding response.
Ken
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
Several, but could you be more specific? If you mean cookies, I always use the recipe on the chocolate morsels bag. I also like the marshmallow creme recipe for fudge.
Anyone else old enough to remember the classic Usenet recipe for mock apple pie, which was “found lurking on the back of a Ritz Crackers box”? Never tried that one.
Platonailedit
@coin operated:
Can, and more importantly, will a cong critter put a fellow cong critter thru the wringer? I doubt it.
Ruckus
@Gin & Tonic:
Today was usually not soon enough.
The words right fucking now seem appropriate. Not in moms presence sure but still appropriate. Although later in life she may have actually thought that, even if she wouldn’t say it.
divF
@Chetan Murthy:
@dmsilev:
This reminds me of what you used to get from the LaRouchites, who in the 1970’s used to hang out at the airport and peddle their crank literature, including something called Fusion Magazine. One of my housemates brought a copy home for me, because of the cover article “Riemann’s Contributions to Flight”, the title of which actually sounded not insane. However, the pattern in all the articles was a few paragraphs that sounded like science, then the discussion would quickly digress to somewhere out beyond the orbit of Pluto. All using science terminology, but the actual content was gibberish, and was mixed in with large helpings of political paranoia (think of the Second Law of thermodynamics as a CIA plot to mislead us about the true potential for inertial confinement fusion).
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Adam L Silverman:
I’ll have to look that one up. Don’t forget to never eat the cookie dough.
Gin & Tonic
@Adam L Silverman: Yeah, I have a really heavy cleaver-like knife I bought at the central market in Hanoi – I could take down small trees with it.
coin operated
@Platonailedit:
Schiff has NFLTG. He’s not afraid of Trump one bit…if he decides to go after Nunes, I see him becoming a smudge on the political highway. Lots of dirty dealing to expose.
Viva BrisVegas
@Platonailedit:
I can’t recall the source, but I remember hearing that the main reason that Trump has so far avoided jail in his career was his propensity to rat his out colleagues whenever the scam got too hot.
This is guy who knows all about ratting out others.
Steeplejack
@JanieM:
Good, clear explanation of a murky point.
Gin & Tonic
@divF:
Huh. I had never considered that. The Deep State is everywhere, I see.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Ken:
I saw there was a recipe on a can of Campbell’s Cream of Mushroom soup once. That’s what me ask this question. I was just wondering if the recipes actually worked.
Yarrow
@Gin & Tonic: I’ve bought both acorn and butternut squash that had big stickers on them with instructions on how to prepare them. It really wash squash for dummies.
Gin & Tonic
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: Those recipes have been extensively tested and are pretty much guaranteed to work. Whether they produce something you’d want to eat is a different question.
Thinking now of some old threads with Omnes and efgoldman sharing some 1950’s recipes…
JanieM
@Villago Delenda Est: Sweet of you.
Adam L Silverman
@Gin & Tonic: That’s a machete.
Yarrow
@Gin & Tonic: Hope both are okay. Haven’t seen either around much.
JanieM
@Steeplejack: Thanks. :-)
Who/whom forms trip people up a lot…..it’s overcorrection, anxiety about formality, I dunno. Years ago I would have predicted that if anything, it would be the “whom” forms that would would eventually disappear. It’s weird that instead of disappearing they seem to be taking over.
Yarrow
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: Those recipes are well tested and should work fine. They are trying to sell you their canned or packaged food item, so the recipe may not be all that good for you. Many prepared foods like that aren’t. Other brand name ingredients are often included in the recipe because those items are owned by the same food company and they’re trying to get you to buy those too. You don’t have to use the brand name ingredients.
Chetan Murthy
@Ken:
Ahhhh … and the Usenet Cookbook? [I used to make their pancake recipe *all* the time]
And the Mrs. Field’s cookie recipe that came with GNU Emacs source? HA!
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Yarrow:
@Gin & Tonic:
Thanks! I think I’ll try them sometime.
Steeplejack
@JanieM:
Only in certain situations. In (for example) TV dialogue and real-life conversations, questions similar to the form “And gave it to who?” are almost ubiquitous.
A worse (as in unnecessary) overcorrection occurs in constructions like “That made no difference to her and I.” Nobody ever says, “That made no difference to I,” but put another person in there and me leaves the room.
KSinMA
@JanieM: Yes! As in “Let him who is without sin …”
(More pedant)
JanieM
@Steeplejack: Yes, that’s true. I wonder if maybe they’ll just flip! ;-)
In some situations “who” for “whom” doesn’t bother me, although your example would. On the other hand, “whom” for “who” invariably affects me like fingernails on a chalkboard.
Amir Khalid
@dmsilev:
From what I can follow of it, that reads like genius-level nuttiness.
Steeplejack
@KSinMA:
it’s not clear to me which side you’re coming down on, but I believe “Let him who is without sin [cast the first stone]” is correct. “Who is without sin” is just an adjective phrase modifying him, and if you take it out the sentence would be “Let him cast the first stone,” not “Let he cast the first stone.”
I think people muddle this because they truncate the original Bible phrasing, which is (John 8:7):
Redshift
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: Green bean casserole (a staple of holiday dinners at my mom’s and many other households) was created for the Campbell’s soup company. I’ve always liked it. I suspect most such recipes work reasonably well, since they don’t want you to regret buying the product.
Redshift
@Ken:
Heck, I remember way before Usenet, when the recipe was actually on the Ritz cracker box. Never tried it either, but the idea certainly was memorable.
Redshift
@Platonailedit:
Within the committee, probably not, though they probably won’t have much trouble making him look like an idiot if he actually speaks up in hearings he doesn’t control. I’m more hopeful about the potential of an ethics investigation.
frosty
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: I’ve made stuff on the cans of Bush’s Beans. They turned out pretty good. Same with Goya’s recipes. You can get them all online if you’re ambitious, I like rice and beans, so I did.
Jay
@Gin & Tonic:
Not frozen.
Ice crystals will cause the dough to “flake”, break off in chunks.
You want “almost frozen” to slice.
Bonnie
Now, I am looking forward to President Nancy after Trump and Pence are run out town. What a great idea!
Platonailedit
@Redshift:
Yup, that’s the way to nail that traitorous scum.
someguy
@debbie:
Having said that, Moulton deserves a very long career on the American equivalent of the back bench.
wtf up with MA Dems?????????????
two words: primary donations
sm*t cl*de
@Chetan Murthy:
I liked this bit:
Translation: Fisher’s idea is an irredeemable brainfart, but it will result in people throwing lots of someone else’s money around, and this is something I approve of.
SWMBO
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: Since it’s the holiday and lots of folks are making pies, here’s an oldie but goodie.
https://www.crisco.com/recipes/classic-crisco-pie-crust-1242
Heat is the enemy of a good pie crust. If you have a marble or plastic dough roller (filled with water) put it in the fridge overnight. Use ice water as cold as possible. Use all purpose flour. Don’t overwork the dough. Roll out one crust at a time and set the excess aside for later.
I make a double deep dish crust. This make 3 deep dish pies and leaves enough left over to roll out, cover with melted butter, brown sugar/cinnamon, roll it up and butter the outside of it. Put in aluminum foil and bake when you bake the pie.
Aleta
@Gin & Tonic: re @Jay: I also wonder if using a big blade on hard frozen dough would affect the delicateness of the shortbread dough. (Maybe it doesn’t matter or maybe this cookie dough isn’t the same as Scottish shortbread.)
But… I remember this Scotch friend of my mother’s who made the most amazing shortbread every Christmas. He said it was all in the way he mixed it (by hand). In my mind I think it would need to be not too rough or thoroughly mixed, so as not to smash up the butter into the flour too much. Maybe it’s not the same for your recipe … but if it is, a less ‘destructive’ knife ? Serrated or wavy like a sharp bread knife or tomato knife? I got no actual clue of course.
SWMBO
@Redshift: My aunts used to make this. It was actually pretty good.
Ken Lovell
If you’re gonna get a new, younger generation speaker of the House that represents the country and the future of the party, step #1 is pretty obviously to find someone who’ll put their hand up to be the new, younger generation speaker of the House that represents the country and the future of the party. I’m surprised Kurt Schrader didn’t realise that.
Aleta
(My mother’s/grandmother’s Scotch friend did this — when we called on him around Christmas/New Year’s we were invited into his kitchen and given his (famous) fresh made shortbread.
David Evans
In summary, I think the Speaker after Pelosi should be a superconducting quantum mechanical AI.
Aleta
Chris Johnson
Note: do NOT use dwarf bread as bridal cake…
Bobby Thomson
Steny Hoyer is older and much more conservative than Pelosi and had no challenge whatsoever.
Schumer fucking sucks and ditto.
This was never about ideology, age, or effectiveness.
Uncle Cosmo
@Chetan Murthy: You sure that’s not the “Heisting Samolians” Foundation? Sure sounds like the academic equivalent of smash&grab to me.
Uncle Cosmo
@Chetan Murthy: “Mock apple pie” reminds me of the Turkish carpet shops’ staple beverage for tourists, elma çayı – “apple tea” that is by & large not tea & contains nothing applish.
Tarragon
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
The best pasta with clam sauce recipe we have comes from the side of a box of pasta.
I usually try the recipes on the packaging as I figure companies have huge incentives to make those recipes good so that you’ll keep buying their product. In this particular case it didn’t work. I kept the recipe but have no idea which company it came from.
ETA: So seasonal right!?
Aardvark Cheeselog
@jl:
Lieu has definitely been making the right noises to make me notice him.