What Was the President Like on The Apprentice and at His Beauty Pageants? Noel Casler Has Decided to Tell Us

Noel Casler, who worked on The Celebrity Apprentice and on the beauty pageants the President used to own and run, had decided that his NDA doesn’t apply to stand up routines. It would be ashamed if this video got tweeted around a lot and, perhaps, at certain people:


Open thread.

171 replies
  1. 1
    germy says:

    Trump accused Hillary of using “performance enhancing drugs” for their debate.

    So every accusation really is a confession.

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    ruemara says:

    I just want to strangle these people who discover their voice motherfucking now. And for profit. GRRRRR

  3. 3
    Luthe says:

    Well, that explains the sniffling every time he makes a speech. And here we thought it was coke*!

    *snorted off the finest teen beauty queen ass

  4. 4
    Corner Stone says:

    That is one hell of a clip. I hope it does the same thing to Trump that Hannibel Buress did to Cosby.

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    germy says:

    I’ve never met grown men more terrified to break their NDAs than Apprentice staffers. Kudos to Noel Casler.

    Taking a cue from Summer Zervos, Stormy Daniels, Weinstein staff and victims. https://t.co/oOtQHBZMt4

    — Virginia Heffernan (@page88) December 13, 2018

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    hells littlest angel says:

    Interesting, I guess. But he needs to work on actually being funny.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @ruemara: I kinda get why he waited. It must feel safer, more people are ready to believe. He’s a nobody, and would have been easy to dismiss or threaten earlier. A critical mass is forming, and he is riding it.

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    CarolDuhart2 says:

    @ruemara: Can’t blame him though. As long as Trump was in the entertainment business, Noel had real worries about work. Ironically, now that Trump became President, he’s out of the business, and too big to actually stoop to suing on that NDA.

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    Kay says:

    He would line up the girls on the side of the stage, and he would inspect them literally, he would stick his little freaking doll fingers in their mouth and look at their teeth. I’m not kidding, this is true, he would line them up like they were pieces of meat. He’d be like, “You, you, and you, if you want to win I’m in the penthouse suite, come and see me.”

    Gross. They can’t lock him up fast enough as far as I’m concerned. Pick a set of charges out of the multitudes and let’s get going.

    The drug use is really the least repulsive thing about him.

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    Eljai says:

    Trump is a speed freak who invites teenage beauty pageant contestants up to his suite. That’s…highly disturbing. Unfortunately, not surprising though.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @germy: No way discovery happens on any of these allegations. There have to be tapes that Mark Burnett/NBC can’t shield in a court process.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    Hope he’s got a good lawyer and some money for the inevitable legal bullshit. He probably won’t get sued, but will get harassed.

    Takes some courage to throw that out there. He’s a literal nobody. He could get his life ruined. Buy hey, you only live once, right?

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    germy says:

    @Ohio Mom:

    It must feel safer, more people are ready to believe.

    It still wouldn’t surprise me if tomorrow we read about him setting up a gofundme for a private security detail. The base is deranged.

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    Kay says:

    Have the Trump victims met the Jeffrey Epstein victims? I think they need to join forces.

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    trollhattan says:

    I hope he has 24/7 protection from Russian “diplomats.” “Burgers, chocolate shakes and girls who look like Ivanka.” [Boom!]

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Kay: The audience literally doesn’t know what to do at that point of the monologue. They are just petrified.

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    SenyorDave says:

    This Trump guy sounds pretty messed up with regards to his behavior with these women and girls. Does anyone know whether he has any other issues? Maybe in his professional life?

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    trollhattan says:

    Agreed. And the Venn diagram certainly overlaps.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @trollhattan: You missed the best part of that joke – that’s all he eats!

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    dan says:

    Too bad he’s not funnier. He could use the coming news coverage/law suit to boost his career.

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    Amphetamine abuse by Trump has been rumored before. I’m taking this with a grain of salt until more confirmation shows up.

    There’s plenty of reason to impeach and remove him, even without this. All we need is a Congress that is more interested in their duty to the country than their individual power and money. We’ve got half of that starting January 3.

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    Kay says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Because it’s horrendous and by telling them he’s putting it ON them. Most people think something’s supposed to happen as a result of behavior like that, and it isn’t “get elected President”.

    How old are these girls? Jesus. The speed is really the least of his problems.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @Eljai: Coke is an 80s drug and Trump is guy frozen in 1981 forever, so while it explains why Trump eats so much and his stoner way of thinking , it begs the question; why hasn’t Trump stroked out by now?

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    Mike in DC says:

    I wonder if NDAs would survive a congressional subpoena. I believe the correct answer is no.

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    Kay says:

    Well, Trump shouldn’t worry. According to GOP congressional leadership this is “baked in” to Trump’s appeal.

    Let’s see how long they stick with that- I give it two weeks- we’re going to be buried in revelations now.

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    sdhays says:

    @Kay: There were rumors in 2016 that PP was one of the guys Epstein “treated” to rides on his yacht…

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    trollhattan says:

    @Corner Stone: Oh I didn’t miss it, I’m still cleaning off the monitor.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:
    Further back he was a regular at Studio 54. Need we say more about that era?

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    rikyrah says:


    disgusting human being.

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    Kay says:

    Lots and lots and lots of ordinary Americans get drug tested for work. Let’s see if the President will agree to one. It’s the most ordinary thing in the world now.

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    ruemara says:

    @Kay: There’s a reason he admired Epstein. He said he liked “women” on the young side and he was saying that about girls under 18.

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: Money buys the monitoring to keep his evil self alive.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @Kay: Word during the election was age fourteen.

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    germy says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: Good genes. The best genes.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @ruemara: So that’s why the quack doctor, because a legit one wouldn’t enable a drug habit (that didn’t involve opiates)?

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    raven says:

    @Kay: I’m not taking a drug test unless it’s takehome!

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    Corner Stone says:

    @germy: 239 and feeling fine! Might live to be 200!
    /Dr. Feelgood Candyman, RADM

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    Kay says:


    There’s strength in numbers. They need to join up. You saw it with the gymnastics case. There were just too many of them to silence.

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    sdhays says:

    @Kay: I work for an international company. A couple years ago, I was working on a project for another large international company based in the US (as am I). I and my other American colleague had to get a drug test to be able to work on the project, but another colleague who is based in the UK didn’t because it’s actually illegal to demand that in the UK. I was shocked (and envious).

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    trollhattan says:

    In my campaign to clear out the DVR I’ve been watching “Trust.” Holy crap, is JP Getty a lot like Trump. Other than the competent businessman part. Southerland is brilliant.

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    Kay says:


    They are drug tested constantly. Periodically my son won’t be able to enter a building with a key card because it won’t work until he takes the random drug test. It’s completely accepted now.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Kay: But remember Kay: Orrin Hatch said none of it matters because the economy is going great! He just admitted Dolt45 could do ANYTHING and they would chug along for more tax cuts and right wing judges.

    I’m just waiting for him to do something big against the LDS church. There’s going to be some trick that pisses off the Mormons and he loses them forever.

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    Spanky says:


    disgusting human being

    I believe the operative term is “nasty”.

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    sukabi says:

    @ruemara: blood is in the water. his (Casler’s) coming out on top of a law suit has improved immensely as trump has more pressing legal matters to focus on. As to the “profitting off it”… Don’t think stand up pays that well…any book deal or other tell all deal is probably years off until any possible threat from his NDA’s have been shut down in court.

    The “up side” is that the wall has been breached, and not just by women and “inappropriate sexual attention” which is dismissed as either not true or sour grapes or gold digging. There will be more and more stories, and since trump likes seeing his mug on camera there will be video.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @Spanky: I think Trump is what the Communist mean when they say “social parasite”

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    Mart says:

    @The Moar You Know: Courage would have been calling the police to stop a serial child molester (assuming what he said is true)

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Gospodi spasi nashu bednuiu rodinu

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    Eljai says:

    @Yutsano: Orrin Hatch in 1999: “But, President Clinton did more than just break the law. He broke his oath
    of office and broke faith with the American people. Americans should be able to rely on him to honor those values that have built and sustained our country, the values we try to teach our children — honesty, integrity, being forthright.”

    Orrin Hatch in 2018: “I don’t care.”

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    ruemara says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: Bingo. There’s the doctors you go to for health and then there’s the private doctors to keep your lifestyle.

    @Kay: Well… I guess we’ll see.

    @Yutsano: shagging 14 year olds is probably not that then. Drinking coke?

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    sdhays says:

    @sukabi: I still can’t get over the clip from a few years ago where he and Ivanka were on a daytime talkshow, and the host asked what PP and his daughter have in common, and the first word out of PP’s mouth is “sex”.


    [insert pic of Colbert dry-heaving here]

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    @Corner Stone: Literally what I was coming here to comment.

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    JPL says:

    @Corner Stone: if he doesn’t sue, the flood gates open including the teen age contestants. If he does sue then what?

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    The Dangerman says:

    Hmmmm. I figured chances were near 100% he fingered some of his contestants; that it was to inspect their teeth would be a bit of a shock.

    No one more thankful than GWB (43) that this POS got elected.

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    JPL says:

    @Kay: Epstein’ts victims might be victims of trump also.

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    sdhays says:

    @Eljai: I wonder if I can finally be allowed to not give a shit what Orrin Hatch has to say on anything on January 1, 2019 when he’s no longer a shitty sitting Senator and (FINALLY!) just a shitty ex-Senator.

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    The media foisted T on us. NBC with Apprentice, CNN with the 2016 coverage including that of an empty podium at T railles and NYT with her e-mailz. Take a fucking bow. And now they cry because he calls them the enemy of the people.

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    sukabi says:

    @sdhays: I know, revolting. All his public interactions with Ivanka are disturbing, can’t imagine being a teen girl in his house…obviously being his daughter wasn’t enough to make her off limits.

    That said, she can rot in a jail cell with the rest of them.

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    Question: How many out of wedlock children has T fathered? It would be irresponsible not to speculate. And how many abortions has he paid for?

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    Yutsano says:


    Drinking coke?

    Funny story about that: up until the late 90s the Church forbade any liquid like that that had caffeine in it. Then in the late 1990s the LDS wealth fund bought a huge chunk of Coke stock. Guess what was suddenly okay?

    Found this out when I went to lunch with a Mormon friend. I was initially shocked until he explained it to me.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @JPL: Trump can’t sue. He can threaten, bluster, bloviate. But he fucking knows it’s true and since this guy was in TV production for 20 years my guess (IMO) is that he’s damn certain tape/audio exists of at least some of what he has said. There is a reason Mark Burnett has sequestered the insider tapes from The Apprentice and threatened anyone who talks with lawsuits.

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    ruemara says:

    @JPL: I’d bet money on it.

    @Yutsano: For real? Much like how Pat Robertson just loves him some diamond mines & dictators despite the bible being against filthy lucre.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @zhena gogolia: Why yes, I will have the Spasi tonight! Thank you!

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    I am being inducted into our town’s women’s club* tonight. I was wondering what to wear.

    *The club is 125 years old.

  63. 63
    Corner Stone says:


    I am being inducted into our town’s 125 year old women’s club tonight. I was wondering what to wear.

    A wheelchair and an oxygen mask?

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    gene108 says:


    Who is PP?

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    sdhays says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Congratulations!

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    West of the Rockies says:


    You’re much older than I thought!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @JPL: He won’t sue. He can’t survive discovery in something like this. And, at this point, there are enough high profile attorneys that would be willing to represent someone making these allegations that he couldn’t hope to bury them in legal paperwork and fees in an attempt to force them into a sealed settlement.

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    Elizabelle says:

    re this comic’s routine: Do we know this to be true, or is this confirmation bias?

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    MattF says:

    Welp, drug abuse would explain some things. Like a case of sniffles that’s lasted forty years.

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    @Adam L Silverman: Discovery in a case like this would be fuuuuuuun.

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    Millard Filmore says:


    if he doesn’t sue, the flood gates open including the teen age contestants. If he does sue then what?

    How valid is an NDA signed by a 14yo? How valid is using an NDA to hide adults abusing teens?

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    Spanky says:


    I am being inducted into our town’s 125 year old women’s club tonight. I was wondering what to wear.

    Well, I was going to point out that most 125 year old women wear a shroud, but since you seem to be still pretty sprightly … I’ll let someone with taste answer.

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    geg6 says:


    A twin set and wool slacks.

    JK…I have no idea. Much like Groucho, I wouldn’t want to belong to any club that would have me as a member.

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    germy says:

    In Spy magazine in 1992 we reported on his speed habit, documented by a copy of his 1980s medical records: “Have you ever wondered why Donald Trump has acted so erratically at times, full of manic energy, paranoid, garrulous?” https://t.co/QqFDdOrbIT https://t.co/OL5mDWRXHz https://t.co/xaeuDbu42H— Kurt Andersen (@KBAndersen) December 13, 2018

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    Yutsano says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Go with a full sari. You would look elegant plus be a representative of your culture at the same time.

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    FelonyGovt says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Congratulations! Dress pants and a sweater, a string of pearls a plus. You will probably be the youngster in the room.

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    jonas says:

    From what I read, NDAs are really only enforceable in the sense that they’re usually signed by people who can be intimidated by a corporate lawyer threatening them with eternal litigation if they ever break it. But I assume now if Trump goes after this guy, it’s going to be for defamation, not simply breaking the NDA. That would require a trial with discovery and offer this guy a chance to prove he’s telling the truth. Also — brilliant move talking about this as part of a standup routine. Trump’s president now, not a private citizen, and talking shit about him in public has some major 1A protection built around it.

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    trollhattan says:

    “Short-fingered vulgarian” FTW.

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    Mary G says:

    Senate just voted 58-41 on the “stop helping Saudi Arabia starve Yemen to death” bill. Unfortunately, Paul Ryan had the House rules committee insert a section in the farm bill that said the House could not discuss Yemen. I will be so glad to see the back of that guy, although I’m sure Chuck Toad will have him on every other Sunday until the end of time.

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    Martin says:

    @Millard Filmore: Not at all. I’m almost positive that a civil contract cannot bind you to being a participant in a criminal act. Not only do civil contracts have a ton of escapes under state laws, they vary a lot by the state. For example, in CA NDAs are only valid in the case of recognized trade secrets or if the person is in the employ of the person issuing the contract. If you leave your job, the NDA is voided. Except for trade secrets you have to keep paying the person under NDA for it to remain valid.

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    germy says:

    @trollhattan: I subscribed to Spy Magazine in the ’80s and read all about Trump there.

    Which is why I was disappointed when co-workers in the ’00s tried to tell me how great he was on The Apprentice.

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    Tenar Arha says:

    @schrodingers_cat: @geg6: My mother used to joke that she didn’t buy clothes, she “had” them. (Because the recommended basic style didn’t really change).

    Anyway it’s a New England cliche, but this outfit plus pearls & minimal makeup is always a safe choice.

    ETA I apologize for neglecting to start with congratulations!

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    Steeplejack says:


    More to the point, what does PP stand for?

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    Mart says:

    @Steeplejack: I could not figure out what PP means other than Phucking Phucktard.

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    The Very Reverend Crimson Fire of Compassion says:

    President Pussygrabber? Pervert Pontifex? Prosthetic Penis?

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    Steeplejack says:


    The first rule of making something a thing is that you have to let people know what the thing is.

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    JPL says:

    If it’s not true, then surely trump will sue for defamation of character. He has nothing to hide. Also Michael Cohen was just a low level P.R. person.

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    Chris Johnson says:

    @trollhattan: I would have believed that before that recent summit.

    He’s dead to Putin now. There will be no vengeance over this stuff. Just before the election, maybe it would’ve been different. But this is the ‘Trump goes down in flames’ part, and Putin will not protect him now.

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    Mart says:

    @Steeplejack: Oh no, the first rule of making something is there are no rules. I just try to skip over them.

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    Mart says:

    @Mart: When I read Putin above I got it – Putin’s Puppet!

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @Kay: Some of them are, I understand, the same people.

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    raven says:

    @Kay: I was just joshing around .

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    tobie says:

    @Mary G: I know there’s been a lot of talk about the five House members who voted with the Republicans for the farm bill in spite of the provision regarding Yemen, and their vote seems indefensible. I’m not familiar enough with Congressional procedures to judge what they were thinking, but Dana Houle does and this is what he tweeted:

    17h17 hours ago
    Seems like little of the reporting that the five Dems who voted for the farm bill, & thus voted to kill the Yemen resolution, were the three top ranking Dems on the Agriculture Committee, plus a fourth Ag Committee member. Rupperberger only one not on Ag Committee.

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    Faithful Lurker says:

    @gene108: Thank you. I was embarrassed to ask.

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    Ruckus says:

    Pat’s only against that filthy money when it isn’t going into his pocket

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @Millard Filmore: It is myunderstanding that they cannot be used to conceal criminal acts.

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    Mandalay says:


    Lots and lots and lots of ordinary Americans get drug tested for work. Let’s see if the President will agree to one. It’s the most ordinary thing in the world now.

    Poor Mike Flynn isn’t happy about being drug tested. His lawyers came up with this shit:

    We ask the Court to exercise its discretion by deleting conditions 2, 3, 6, and 7 of the standard conditions recommended under U.S.S.G. § 5B1.3(c). We also request that the Court conclude based on the Presentence Investigation Report that drug testing is not necessary, in accordance with U.S.S.G. § 5B1.3(a)(5) and 18 U.S.C. § 3563(a)(5).

    There’s one law for the little people at the bottom, and another law for the crooks, liars and traitors at the top.

    Actually removing the requirement for drug testing was one of the least offensive things his lawyers were asking for.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Millard Filmore:
    This is my question for the legal beagles.
    How is an NDA valid when it involves an illegal action?

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    trollhattan says:

    Yup. New Yorkers knew Donny really, really well and somehow counted for nothing in ’16. I’ve been reading about the greasy bastard since the ’70s all the way from the left coast.

    My suspicion is he somehow became a bright spot in the “Ford to City: Drop Dead” era, because he was boldly fleecingbuilding while the joint was falling apart in the eyes of many. It became just believable enough to gloss over his vast misbehavior.

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    Mandalay says:


    Periodically my son won’t be able to enter a building with a key card because it won’t work until he takes the random drug test.

    It is a condition of employment at Home Depot that if there is a workplace accident those involved must submit to a drug test. If you refuse you are fired.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    OT — Paul Bronks’s Twitter has been suspended. This is horrible.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    Courage would have been calling the police to stop a serial child molester (assuming what he said is true)

    @Mart: Easy for you to say. I presume you’ve never been in a civil lawsuit before.

    I have. I’d want a whole lot of verifiable “we got your back” before going public with something like Casler has against one very rich guy (Mark Burnett) and one maybe rich guy (Orange Shithead) who have a history of very aggressive litigation. Because a rich guy with a legal team and unlimited funds can wreck your life for years without even noticing the cost, and there’s not fuckall you can do to stop it.

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    Yarrow says:

    I just watched the video. He’s just as disgusting as I figured he was. The guy isn’t that funny but his joke about the dossier–“he took showers with working girls. And since it’s Trump they had to be golden.”–did make me laugh a little bit.

    Interesting to see the cracks in the dam. Trump really does have nowhere to hide now. It’s all coming out.

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    Yutsano says:

    @zhena gogolia: What? AGAIN? This is getting ridiculous!

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    Immanentize says:

    @Ruckus: It’s not enforceable if it is hiding illegal (Public Safety) acts. In fact, there is a crime called different things, but sometimes called “compounding” (in the model penal code) that makes it a crime to pay someone (or give them something of value) to not report a crime.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @ruemara: Blood in the water. All the sharks want their piece of the action – eventually.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Evidently many large companies still require a drug test as part of the hiring process, but I’m not aware of any that expect employees to submit to regular screening on a random basis. That’s so 1980s.

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    Arthur says:

    Trump absolutely cannot sue for violations of the NDA. An NDA applies only to disclosures of things that happened. If Trump says that the discussion of fingering beauty contestants, or snorting speed, is a violation of the agreement, he would be admitting that he did those things.

    Theoretically, Trump could sue for libel. But then the defendant could claim truth as a defense, and could subpoena the rest of the crew to testify. Testifying pursuant to subpoena does not violate an NDA.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @CarolDuhart2: Trump no longer has his primary hatchetmen (Cohen and Schiller) so that’s why the NDAs are worthless. Otherwise, you can bet they would try to defang these upstarts by enforcing the NDAs, or at least raising the threat.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Yutsano: @eclare: @debit:

    He tweets animal videos with funny captions. He gets a lot of stalkers, who fall into two categories: people who always think the animals in the videos are being tortured, and people who don’t want him using swear words because they want their children to be able to see the tweets. He has a child-friendly version somewhere, but that doesn’t satisfy them.

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    Humdog says:

    I haven’t been able to enjoy Paul Bronks since I looked into the Misha he regularly references. Pro Brexit, virulently anti transgender and generally a big mouth troglodyte. If that is who he reveals he is friendly with, I don’t want to laugh at his retweeted pet pics, thanks. There are others who offer the same funnies, and without the needless vulgarity to boot.

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    Corner Stone says:

    People keep saying the guy isn’t funny. It’s horrible shit he’s stating deadpan. Nobody knows what the fuck to do next. Do you titter or giggle about Trump telling underage girls going to his penthouse? It’s a pretty good routine overall, IMO. He gets at least three good lines in in about 2 minutes. YMMV.
    That shit about Ivanka was gold. Gold, Jerry! Gold!

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    MCA1 says:

    @CarolDuhart2: There’s also the factor that Michael Cohen wasn’t fully sidelined until recently. No doubt a year ago someone coming out with these kinds of allegations would have received a visit from SezHoo and/or his friends.

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    Mary G says:

    Awkward white people dancing, but cute and Hillary looks like she’s having fun:

    John Kerry and Hillary Clinton dancing to Bollywood music with Shah Rukh Khan in India2018 is weird. pic.twitter.com/tVPcmkqKB2— Sameera Khan (@SameeraKhan) December 12, 2018

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    @Yutsano: Too cold for a bare midriff, unfortunately. It is snowing too. I am out of practice wearing a sari. May wear pants and sweater as people have suggested with Indian jewelry or a tunic of handspun (khadi) silk with a red long silk scarf with skinny pants. I don’t want to look like Justin Trudeau going to an Indian wedding either.

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    JPL says:

    @zhena gogolia: That doesn’t make sense. His tweets are so good.

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    Mart says:

    @Mike in NC: I consult at many large corporations that have random drug testing programs. In one case some employees in west Kansas were bragging about going to Denver for the legal weed over the weekend. They were “randomly” tested on Monday and fired.

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    LABiker says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Trump will sue in three years when his lawyer gets out of federal prison.

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    @Mary G: After a quick look at her Twitter account, I see that Sameera Khan is a former RT journalist and hates Ds.

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    Platonailedit says:

    fynyt should stick to murkan mugging by the totus thug.

    An appeal by The New York Times asking readers to share experiences of petty crime in London backfired – when it was hijacked by sarcastic Brits.

    The esteemed US organ had said it wanted to hear about the Metropolitan Police response to “minor property crimes” such as burglary.

    Instead, it was deluged with thousands of comedy replies on Twitter, including complaints about accidental eye contact on the Tube and badly made tea.

    It has yet to respond.

    The Times posted its earnest appeal for London-based tales of woe amid what it called a “surge in violent crime” in the capital, telling users it would select the best for publication.

    However, its social media feeds saw a surge of a different kind, as a deluge of tongue-in-cheek ripostes rolled in and Londoners lapped up the chance to have a laugh at the expense of the paper (and themselves).

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    VeniceRiley says:


    @Yutsano: Orrin Hatch in 1999: “But, President Clinton did more than just break the law. He broke his oath
    of office and broke faith with the American people. Americans should be able to rely on him to honor those values that have built and sustained our country, the values we try to teach our children — honesty, integrity, being forthright.”
    Orrin Hatch in 2018: “I don’t care.”

    Yeah. Here is the problem I see no one confronting Republican Senators about:
    If they let Trump draw the new line for them, that means the Senate can never, ever impeach a future president of any party. He’s crossed so many red lines that, if they refuse to hold him accountable, there is NO RED LINE anymore for anyone.

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    chopper says:


    ah but you’re forgetting, as soon as a democrat enters the WH all these standards for ethical and legal behavior will magically snap back into existence.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Corner Stone: It’s not comedy with any staying power because it’s not about eternal truths (an example being, there are many toxic mother-in-laws out there, sucks to be you if you have one of them). It’s more like when the court jester delivered bad news.

    I can’t imagine this little presentation is going to do much for Noel Caster’s career but it will get him an eventual obituary in a big newspaper.

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    Platonailedit says:

    Federal prosecutors are investigating whether Trump's 2017 inaugural committee misspent some of the $107,000,000 it raised, WSJ reports.

    The criminal probe also is examining whether some of the committee's top donors gave money in exchange for access.https://t.co/G1AsbTSuJG— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) December 13, 2018

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    CarolDuhart2 says:


    It really isn’t about hatchet men. After all, Trump could have hired other people. It’s that now he
    can’t silence his critics through legal action anymore. The world is covering him now. NDAs work through obscurity and intimidation and a vast disparity of resources. Anyone a President sues can at least get the word out now, and can attract enough resources to make it a somewhat fair fight. And suing takes time, invites unwanted scrutiny (If the allegations are true), and creates a record now that goes right into the public domain.

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    jonas says:

    Not going to bother looking it up, but does Omarosa corroborate any of the stuff he alleges happened on the set of The Apprentice in her book? I doubt even Trump would be stupid enough to snort speed in front of the contestants, but who knows?

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    sukabi says:


    , if they refuse to hold him accountable, there is NO RED LINE anymore for anyone.

    January 3rd will miraculously bring back ALL the red lines that have been invisible for the republicans. I expect massive clothes rending and wailing about how unfair and vindictive the house dems are being, and lots of “stories” planted for the nyt to “investigate”.

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    jonas says:

    @VeniceRiley: It’s like they enjoy wearing “Massive Hypocrite” as a badge of honor these days. smh.

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    Platonailedit says:

    @VeniceRiley: The thugs threatened to impeach Obama many times for bogus ‘high crimes’. As long as you have a media that accepts every rethug framing, nothing will change.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Wearing something Indian will be a good conversation starter. People who don’t know what to say to you can comment on it.

    Congrats and have fun. Sounds like this group will lead to many interesting connections.

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    One thing I can tell you is that if the Ds impeach Trump, the Rs will try to impeach a D president to even the score. Clinton was payback for Nixon. It’s a congressional version of Both Sides Do It.

    For this reason, we better vet our candidates well.

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    randy khan says:

    @Mike in DC:

    I wonder if NDAs would survive a congressional subpoena. I believe the correct answer is no.

    Every NDA I’ve ever seen (and I’ve seen a bunch) has a specific exception for when you’re compelled by law to reveal the information.

    It’s kind of an interesting question as to whether a House committee might choose to subpoena, oh, tapes that Mark Burnett might have of outtakes from The Apprentice.

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    JaySinWA says:


    as soon as a democrat enters the WH all these standards for ethical and legal behavior will magically snap back into existence.

    No doubt using Trump as the example of why they are now necessary.

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    C Stars says:

    @Corner Stone: That struck me too. They’re like, “This isn’t funny–this is horrifying!”

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    bluefoot says:

    @schrodingers_cat: My sister did that when being inducted into some high-falutin’ medical thing: formal Western black dress with Indian jewelry. Very lovely. I’ve done plain dress paired with fancy silk chuni as scarf, which also worked well.

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    Platonailedit says:

    The statement of offense includes this paragraph explaining that Butina's efforts were directed toward gaining influence over the Republican Party and Trump. pic.twitter.com/J974Tku5UZ— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) December 13, 2018

    Imagine the media ‘outrage’ if this had been dems and some dem org.

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    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    @Platonailedit: That whole thread was hilarious. “I opened the door for someone and they didn’t say thank you, I informed the police immediately”

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    catclub says:


    The thugs threatened to impeach Obama many times for bogus ‘high crimes’.

    and were severely punished in 2010 and 2014 elections, for even talking about impeachment.

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    sukabi says:

    Those hush money payments that never happened, and if they did drumpf was unaware, but even if he knew it wasn’t illegal, and Michael did it all by himself?

    All that happened while trump was in the room with pecker and cohen.

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    sukabi says:

    @Platonailedit: what you should be wondering which member(s) of the press that like their exclusive political cocktail parties were the beneficiaries of that nice Russian green?

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    catclub says:


    They were “randomly” tested on Monday and fired.

    I wonder how those large companies have adapted their anti-drug rules in states like CA and CO? It sounds like it will be… complicated.

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    trollhattan says:

    Would like to caution all about this alternate to what Charlie Pierce calls the “Republican prion disease.”

    Yeesh, and you’re welcome.

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    trollhattan says:

    So far as I know, it’s still possible to let people go for having THC in the bloodstream on the job, the same as alcohol. I don’t want my delivery people, welders or heavy equipment operators to have either.

    I don’t know the THC pharmacokinetics wrt blood concentration, only that it’s taken up by fat where it’s stored for weeks.

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    tobie says:

    @Platonailedit: The shoes are dropping so fast and furiously now, it’s hard to follow. The GOP is rotten to the core, and Trump is the emblem of all that.

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    Mary G says:

    @schrodingers_cat: I know, she tweeted that to make Hillary look bad, and many of the comments are “good for Hillary, having fun, she deserves it,” so things didn’t turn out like she thought they would. The butt-hurt trolls are a bonus.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @catclub: The word is their desire to be jackwagon control freaks is colliding with the the labor shortage. Stories like during interviews the interviewer mentions mandatory drug testing and the candidate just says nothing, stands up and walks out the door without saying anything. Me personally, had to do that for one place, then when they paid for the test and hired me told them, nope, I am not interested in a company that is that intrusive. It was fun listening to the interviewer literally beg me.

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    cain says:

    @Mike in NC:

    Evidently many large companies still require a drug test as part of the hiring process, but I’m not aware of any that expect employees to submit to regular screening on a random basis. That’s so 1980s.

    It’s because their execs are from the 80s and don’t know how think any other way. Not a company worth being employed at.

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    oatler. says:

    @Mart: This happened a lot at a southern Oregon company I worked at. The owners LOVED the very idea of it, even installed a permanent “nurse’s station” for that purpose. I never got tested but I witnessed a lot of lives ruined.

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    sdhays says:

    @Jay: Yes, as in “the star of the PP tape”.

    I feel like even using his real name gives him too much respect.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @zhena gogolia: The guy who posts funny animal videos? Why?

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    I’m glad I don’t do drugs, I just smoke weed.

    They’ll carry prodigious drunks, but heaven forbid someone gets a glow on the weekend.

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    scott (the other one) says:

    @Mary G: I would love for someone who sees Chuckles in person to ask him, “Hey, just out of curiosity: are you actually in the pocket of the rightwing, or are you just a spineless toadie?”

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    debbie says:


    I call bullshit on his insistence he’s a germaphobe. Peepee aside, he’s sticking his hands in other peoples’ mouths???

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    debbie says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    Did PETA freak out again?

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    scott (the other one) says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    For this reason, we better vet our candidates well.

    1) we do…but

    2) it’s impossible to vet them so well that the GOP won’t go after them anyway, since (“buttery males!”) they don’t require actual evidence for any of their charges.

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    Kraux Pas says:


    I call bullshit on his insistence he’s a germaphobe. Peepee aside, he’s sticking his hands in other peoples’ mouths???

    Well, piss is sterile. And the fingers in mouth thing is probably about power.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Mike in NC: @cain: it’s common with companies employing laborers. There’s an insurance discount for being a certified drug-free workplace, and no human has ever won a human/forklift collision.

    But when your local insurance agency is drug testing the secretaries? They’re just assholes.

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    The Lodger says:

    @Mike in NC: One of our local power companies does that, even for office employees who don’t go anywhere near high voltage or expensive equipment.:(

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @Yutsano: Romney runs against him in 2020 ptimary??

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    John Fremont says:

    @Mike in NC: Transportation businesses, like railroads and aviation, still require drug testing for anyone who operates or maintains the vehicles, whether locomotives or aircraft.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @zhena gogolia: Why is this significant.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @catclub: They don’t adapt them. At all.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @scott (the other one): See constant search for dirt to stick on Obama!!

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @Ladyraxterinok: IIRC there was an attempt to make ay big deal out of something Obama wrote when he was in kindergarten!! My 1st thought was who goes after kindergarten stuff?? Then I wondered how lobg did they search and HOW IN THE H*LL DID THEY FIND IT?!?!

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    ema says:


    Also, it’s unlikely for a germophobe to have unprotected intercourse, especially with someone with a hx of multiple partners.

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