Watch NANCY SMASH! And Chuck Schumer OWN Donald Trump

This will warm the cockles of your heart. Start at about 6 minutes to avoid Trump’s bloviating.

It looks like Pelosi and Schumer did some serious preparation for this meeting. They handled it brilliantly and walked Trump right into owning any government shutdown that may occur.

Also note Pence, who looks like he would like to sink into the ground.






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  1. 1
    TenguPhule says:

    They handled it brilliantly and walked Trump right into owning any government shutdown that may occur.

    The downside of course being that Trump merely has to do what he does best to ensure a partial shutdown does occur.

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    Where’s the LIKE button?

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    comrade scotts agenda of rage says:

    They handled it brilliantly and walked Trump right into owning any government shutdown that may occur.

    Yeah but if it does happen, our feckless, corporate media won’t report it that way.

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    Yarrow says:

    I detest watching Trump but this is totally worth watching. Chuck and Nancy SMASH are amazing!

    Pence knows Donald is fucked and he is, by extension, also fucked. This little toddler acting out is not helping Pence. No wonder he wishes he were anywhere else. Bwahahahaha! Suck, traitors!

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    MazeDancer says:

    Media are going to have a hard time adjusting to the Dems having an actual Head of the Party.

    Nancy Pelosi can both talk and act strongly and forcefully for the base.

    The GOP will trash Nancy. And the media will do all they can to promote that. But still, we will have Someone in Charge.

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    Cermet says:

    The orange fart cloud will cave one way or another; either it will be avoided entirely if he caves early, or if a shut down does occurs, then he’ll cave within two weeks at most. His base will suffer from a shut down and that, even a fart cloud, will understand hurts its chances in 2020 even further.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @MazeDancer:

    Media are going to have a hard time adjusting to the Dems having an actual Head of the Party.

    See 2016, treatment of Clinton, Hillary.

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    Corner Stone says:

    The man is a buffoon. I would say the only thing he knows how to do is golf but his cheating is legendary.

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    Corner Stone says:

    I am not sure how much harder Lindsey Graham can plant his lips on Trump’s ass.

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    Corner Stone says:

    “Yes, if we don’t get what we want…I will shut down the govt.”
    If that whole little rant does not get made into multiple campaign ads then the D’s deserve to get trounced in 2020.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Just watching trump bellow about his wall, bragging that it’s under budget. It’s funny watching him torn between his desire to throw out big numbers– big things compensate– and his phony image as the cagey builder and deal maker

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    Yarrow says:

    @MazeDancer: @TenguPhule: The thing about this is, women are still PISSED OFF. You come at Nancy, women will come for you. The 2016 was good but it wasn’t good enough. Women are tired of being talked over, ignored, not having the good jobs, not having influence. Nancy knows that. Since she’s in charge she gets to channel that support and anger from women. This time isn’t going to be the same as those other times. The media can wake up or get rolled right over.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @Corner Stone:
    Any cretin who would drive a cart across a green doesn’t know how to play golf.

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    Corner Stone says:

    C’mon, MSNBC. I don’t want to see pundit opinion from three different MSNBC reporters. Get me some meat in there!

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    Yarrow says:

    @Corner Stone: No kidding. It’s amazing to watch. He’s a toddler in an adult body. And he has none of the charm that toddlers do when they’re not acting out.

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    p.a. says:

    How long before the only beings willing to admit they’re Rethugs are all animated creamcheese sculptures?

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    smintheus says:

    WaPo has an op-ed by 44 former Senators stating, controversially I guess, that the Senate has always stood up for the principles of democracy. They could find only 7 former Republicans to join in signing it. Sheds some light on the claim that in the unspecified old days the Senate was a model of partisan comity. Most Republicans have been plainly and proudly party-before-country for a very long time. Sen. Joseph McCarthy was not after all an aberration in those unspecified old days.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    I wonder if they’ve been workshopping the “ten terrorsits”, or if the bats in his belfry just squeaked that to him in the moment

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    Quaker in a Basement says:

    Anti-Pelosi Democrats, take note.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Corner Stone:

    I am not sure how much harder Lindsey Graham can plant his lips on Trump’s ass.

    penetration at all levels.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Yarrow: Can’t edit. GAH! The 2018 election. Stupid lack of edit function.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Yarrow:

    You come at Nancy, women will come for you.

    Unfortunately, 2016 taught us that some of the worst offenders are entitled white women “mean girls”.

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    dmsilev says:

    @p.a.:

    How long before the only beings willing to admit they’re Rethugs are all animated creamcheese sculptures?

    Are we sure that hasn’t already happened?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Corner Stone:

    If that whole little rant does not get made into multiple campaign ads then the D’s deserve to get trounced in 2020.

    “When they go low, we go high.” has not aged well at all.

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    catclub says:

    @Cermet:

    His base will suffer from a shut down and that, even a fart cloud, will understand hurts its chances in 2020 even further.

    yeah, right. The voting public usually has the memory of a gnat.

    the 2013 shutdown absolutely killed the GOP’s chances in both 2014 and 2016.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    Mr. Vice President, Mr. Vice President, Jonathan Karl from ABC News, I have just one question for you: please blink twice if you need us to call for a Hostage Rescue Team?

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    I love that Schumer gets into it too and seems to be having a great time! Nancy SMASH! has been schooling him.

    It looks to me like the two of them gamed this out thoroughly and probably were delighted that Trump took every bait, gave them every opening. I’ve been in a very few meetings like that.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Yarrow:
    Isn’t that because he’s always acting out?

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    Corner Stone says:

    Trump is a game show host. It’s pathetic watching any part of his Idiocracy rallies.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Cermet:

    or if a shut down does occurs, then he’ll cave within two weeks at most.

    Unfortunately, unlike firing people which requires Trump to do something, a federal funding crisis involves Trump merely doing nothing and keep on doing it as long as he wants.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @MazeDancer: In the post meeting press conference that Pelosi and Schumer held, Jonathan Karl asked the first question and started by addressing Pelosi as Madame President, caught himself half way through president, and switched to Madame Speaker.

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    jc says:

    Trump works hard to *look* like he’s in charge, whether his bloviating makes any sense is unimportant to him. He *pretends* to be an authority on all matters, and he dares anyone to challenge him, upon which he’ll change the subject. I have the votes in the House, the problem is the Senate, I could win the House in a second — that’s how he wins, by being impossible to pin down, because he’s always bullshitting as he goes. There’s no there there.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Ruckus: Well, sometimes he’s sulking.

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    hells littlest angel says:

    I wish they’d told Trump that if he would put up his own five billion, he could keep anything over five billion that Mexico pays him back.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Corner Stone: When you see them protruding from the front of Trump’s trousers, you’ll have your answer.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    watching clips of trump’s “who’s going to pay for the wall? Mexico! Who? Mexico!” schtick from the campaign

    in their next meeting NP should whip her phone out and play the video back to the Beast

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    catclub says:

    @dmsilev: The amusing thread at LGM on Brexit models it as “a slight majority has voted to create a submarine out of cheese,”

    and the response thereto.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Jonathan Karl, foretelling what is to come.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman: A good omen, perhaps?

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    emmyelle says:

    I’m sorry, what’s this again how some Democrats don’t want Pelosi as Speaker?

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Jonathan Karl asked the first question and started by addressing Pelosi as Madame President, caught himself half way through president, and switched to Madame Speaker.

    Oh please make it so. And sooner rather than later.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @smintheus: And one of them is former Obama Secretary of Defense Hagel and former Clinton Secretary of Defense William Cohen. So…

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    TenguPhule says:

    @catclub:

    The amusing thread at LGM on Brexit models it as “a slight majority has voted to create a submarine out of cheese,”

    “We all live in a yellow chunk of Brie, a yellow chunk of Brie….”

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Quaker in a Basement:

    I know. I LOVE Nancy Smash.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @dmsilev: Hugh Hewitt, please pick up the WHITE courtesy telephone, Hugh Hewitt, please pick up the WHITE courtesy telephone…

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    Yarrow says:

    @catclub: Here’s the original twitter thread that I saw:

    The thing is, the best way to understand Theresa May’s predicament is to imagine that 52 percent of Britain had voted that the government should build a submarine out of cheese.— Hugo Rifkind (@hugorifkind) December 10, 2018

    Click through for thread.

    Personally, I enjoyed the video of May arriving to meet Merkel and they couldn’t get the door of her car open. Merkel was just standing there like WTF?

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    Aleta says:

    Mister Pence, our first simulacrum VP. Did he have a coach to perfect that posture, or does he mirror Trump naturally as god intended?
    Don’t let him speak! Walls would crumble. Trump might rip his tongue out.

    If only all meetings with Trump were televised unedited, or secretly recorded. We might have a chance at reconciling with reality.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Aleta:

    If only all meetings with Trump were televised unedited, or secretly recorded. We might have a chance at reconciling with reality.

    The problem is that only fiction has to make sense.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: People think Schumer is a push over because he’s not a screamer. Or physically imposing. He’s neither. That doesn’t make him the perfect Democratic leader in the Senate, but it is something that needs to be remembered.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Hugh Hewitt, please pick up the WHITE courtesy telephone, Hugh Hewitt, please pick up the WHITE courtesy telephone…

    “But all them were originally black.”

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @TenguPhule:

    involves Trump merely doing nothing and keep on doing it as long as he wants.

    Unfortunately this is pretty much the only thing he’s demonstrated any aptitude at.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    People think Schumer is a push over because he’s not a screamer.

    No, its because he’s a pushover who McConnell routinely rolls over and he just smiles and says “please sir, may I have another.”

    He’s a product of a bygone civilized age and not the Senate leader we want, need or deserve.

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    Yarrow says:

    Ryan says he didn’t watch the Pelosi/Schumer/Trump meeting.— Kelsey Snell (@kelsey_snell) December 11, 2018

    Chickenshit and useless to the end. Go spend time with your kids while you can, traitor. Your time is coming.

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    ruemara says:

    Trust me on this, the media will paint it as the Dems fault. That’s in their bones. IDK why people say if the dems don’t bla bla bla messaging, when the media is the main problem. I just read through Sahil Kapur’s tweet stream on this meeting and his first response was to decry the glorious dream of a bipartisan future disappearing with this exchange. It’s like they have no memory about anything that happened just yesterday. I don’t get it and I don’t want to get it.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Adam L Silverman: @Yarrow: @TenguPhule: From Karl’s lips to the great FSM’s orecchiette.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Unfortunately this is pretty much the only thing he’s demonstrated any aptitude at.

    Which is why I’m worried.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @TenguPhule: Don’t tell Hugh!!!!

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    Tazj says:

    I thoroughly enjoyed this quip from Josh Marshall. Especially after the unending lecturing by people (my nephew included) that Democrats can’t do anything right.

    Josh Marshall @ joshtpm

    At one point Trump seemed unsteady and Pelosi, generously, handed him Seth Moulton to wipe his brows with

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    smintheus says:

    @Adam L Silverman: And most of the rest were always pretty peripheral in their own party.

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    TenguPhule says:

    U.S. stocks sought higher ground. Then Trump detoured ‘to crazy town.’

    Markets rallied out of the gate on Tuesday on hopes that the U.S.-China trade discussions may find traction toward solving their differences. But they quickly went off track.

    The Dow Jones industrial average bounced up 355 points in initial trades after a wild Monday, then started slipping as the volatility of the past weeks shook markets again.

    At lunchtime, in a tempestuous live broadcast, Trump told Democratic leaders Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer that he would shut down the government if he does not get $5 billion in funding to pay for partial construction of a wall along the southern U.S. border. In the course of the meeting, stocks swung into the red. The Dow dropped more than 150 points in minutes.

    “The market was looking good until Trump took a detour into crazy town during his meeting with Pelosi and Schumer,” said Ivan Feinseth, chief investment officer at Tigress Financial Partners.

    Another day ending in day.

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    Quaker in a Basement says:

    He compared the wall between the US and Mexico to the wall separating Israel from Palestinian territory.

    Holy Scott Free!

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    LuciaMia says:

    Lordy, could only watch a bit of that. Didnt Trumps mother ever tell him the little saying about why god gave you two ears and only one mouth?

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    Yarrow says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Not the video of May’s car! Which is here and hilarious.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Ie, not REAL republicans!!

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    @Quaker in a Basement: At least he didn’t say the Berlin Wall.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Sen. Majority Leader Mitch McConnell on Tuesday urged Democrats to accomodate Trump’s wall demands, warning lawmakers either needed to cooperate or “prepare for a very, very long month.”

    “For the nation’s sake, I hope that my Democratic friends are prepared to have a serious discussion and reach an accommodation with Trump on funding for border security,” he said in a speech on the Senate floor.

    “Nice country you have here, shame if something happened to it.”

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    Fair Economist says:

    @Yarrow: Perhaps the most amazing part of this is that Ryan, who is still Speaker with a numerically working majority, is not even involved. Such an empty suit and fake.

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    LuciaMia says:

    animated creamcheese sculptures?

    You mean Hewitt?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @TenguPhule: Would I prefer someone else? Yes. Do I think it would make much difference? No. And here’s why. McConnell does not care what the Senate rules are. Nor the norms, customs, and/or traditions. All McConnell cares about is what he can do and can get away with through the application of politics and power. If Schumer tried to make the Senate inquorate, all McConnell would do is ignore the rules, when the Senate Parliamentarian, who is a McConnell appointee, rules against him, he’d fire him and appoint someone who wouldn’t. If Schumer authorized his members to place holds on everything, all McConnell would do is ignore the rules about holds, when the Senate Parliamentarian, who is a McConnell appointee, rules against him, he’d fire him and appoint someone who wouldn’t. Repeat ad infinitum for every possible rule, norm, custom, and/or tradition that Schumer could try to leverage. The reason for this is that McConnell is a natural fascist; he is governed solely by the concept of might makes right. As long as McConnell’s actions are successful, they’re right. It doesn’t matter if they’re illegal, or immoral, or violate every law, rule, norm, custom, and/or tradition. There is absolutely nothing a Democratic leader in the Senate can do to contain or constrain McConnell because McConnell recognizes no constraints.

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    Duane says:

    Everytime Trumpov blathers on about that wall he should be asked if Mexico has agreed to pay for it. Promises kept remember?

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    Inventor says:

    You know that scene in the second Kill Bill movie at the end where the Uma Thermon character does that special karate death move on the David Carradine character? You know the special finger punch to the heart that kills you after three steps?

    Nancy Pelosi invented that.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Reed was viewed pretty negatively by dems u yil his strong words/actions in 2012 vs fellow Mormon Romney.

    I remember many dems commenting on blogs being surprised.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Indeed. He’s an old style pol who ENJOYS the fight.

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    ruemara says:

    @Inventor: Oh I hope Nancy had to pat his back or something.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @smintheus: Hagel may have been the actual last principled conservative, in a real sense of both those terms, to have both served and been willing to regularly try to put country ahead of party or partisan gain. He was never a good fit in the Senate as a result. I always thought he’d have probably made a good president, though he’d have been hamstrung by what seems to be a very solid core of decency. The man is a professional senior non-commissioned officer to the core.

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    VOR says:

    Mission accomplished. Schumer and Pelosi had a couple goals:
    1) Pelosi established that they could call a vote anytime in the House and double-dog dared Trump to do it.
    2) Schumer got Trump to take ownership of any shutdown. He clearly stated the Democrats don’t want a shutdown and got Trump to own a shutdown.

    And they got it on video, where it can be replayed over and over.
    What’s this BS about 10 terrorists caught at some unspecified time? Someone has to challenge the White House to name them, to put up or shut up.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @Yarrow: Oh, he watched it. He’s so jealous he can’t even talk about it.

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    dr. bloor says:

    @TenguPhule:The extent to which the alpha males running the market react to Trump like a high schooler getting jilted just before prom is fascinating.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    If Schumer tried to make the Senate inquorate, all McConnell would do is ignore the rules, when the Senate Parliamentarian, who is a McConnell appointee, rules against him, he’d fire him and appoint someone who wouldn’t. If Schumer authorized his members to place holds on everything, all McConnell would do is ignore the rules about holds, when the Senate Parliamentarian, who is a McConnell appointee, rules against him, he’d fire him and appoint someone who wouldn’t. Repeat ad infinitum for every possible rule, norm, custom, and/or tradition that Schumer could try to leverage.

    If Schumer was worth his salt, he’d do this and make McConnell actually work for it.

    At least that way it would be crystal clear to everyone not a Nazi what McConnell is once and for all.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Fair Economist: I think this was just the Dems meeting with Trump because McConnell wasn’t there either. But in any case Ryan should be more involved. He’s such a nothing. A nothing who is going to pay for what he covered up.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Quaker in a Basement:

    Holy Scott Free!

    By the Source!!!

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    VOR says:

    @Fair Economist: Paul Ryan for Chief of Staff. Let the punishment fit the crime.

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    Aleta says:

    @TenguPhule:
    In the town where I was born
    Lived a man who made the Brie
    And he told us of his life
    In the land of good French cheese

    So we sat out in the sun
    And ignored democracy
    And we had a great idea
    To make imitation cheese

    We all live with an imitation cheese
    an imitation cheese, an imitation cheese

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I hope several enterprising young journalists are digging deep into what makes Yertle tick.

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    TenguPhule says:


    Trump administration to strip pollution protections, harming vital wildlife

    The Trump administration is planning to strip Obama-era pollution protections from thousands of US streams and millions of acres of wetlands, in a move environmentalists warn will harm vital wildlife and could allow pollution into drinking water.

    The federal government plans to scale back the list of waterways for which land users are required to obtain permits to be able to pollute, according to a description of the proposal by officials before text was made available.

    That pollution includes agricultural runoff from fertilizers and pesticides and other industry waste, which can flow from smaller tributaries or wetlands into major bodies of water. The vast network of waterways covered by the current protections provide drinking water to around 117 million Americans.

    Andrew Wheeler, acting administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), said the Obama-era regulations are a “power grab” that aimed to control farmers, developers and landowners.

    They will not stop until we’re all dead. Or they are.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Ex-EPA chief Scott Pruitt used personal email for government work

    Donald Trump’s first Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) administrator repeatedly violated agency policy to use personal email for government business, according to newly released public records.

    Scott Pruitt – who left the administration this summer after months of controversy over his spending, travel and ties with industry – used his private email account for work over a period of months, according to records recently made available to the Sierra Club.

    Someone forwarded the emails to Pruitt’s government account on the day he resigned. EPA policy requires employees to do so within 20 days of any correspondence via personal accounts.

    Somehow this got lost in all the shit shows.

    Lock his white ass up.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Or they are.

    Your proposal is acceptable.

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    C Stars says:

    My two favorite parts:
    1. Chuck Schumer’s cheese-eating grin, toward the end, and how it just gets bigger and bigger the more Dear Tweeter loses control of himself/the meeting. And then Schumer starts bobbing up and down on the couch, trying to stifle a giggle. It was like an SNL skit in which the comedians are trying mightily not to break character and laugh.

    2. The moment when Trump pouts “We need border security!” and Nancy Pelosi puts extends her arm to him, beseechingly, and purrs, “Of course we do.” There’s just something about her tone of voice there that gets me. You can tell she’s parented five kids through the toddler stage, and understands fully that DT requires the same kind of treatment.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Eli Stokols

    @EliStokols
    “We have a lot of people who want the job,” Trump says, saying he’s “in no rush” and may announce the new hire “in a week or two.”

    He told reporters SATURDAY that Kelly was leaving.

    20
    7:23 AM – Dec 11, 2018

    Its not like a Chief of Staff is a vital position or anything. I mean, just look at the state of Trump’s staff…or don’t.

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    Cermet says:

    @Fair Economist: Funny that the washpost calls Nancy minority leader. Ryan is really a joke if the minority leader has more power than he does. LOLOLOL

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    Fair Economist says:

    @VOR:

    Paul Ryan for Chief of Staff. Let the punishment fit the crime.

    Punishment for Trump or for Ryan?

    Hmmm, I get it; it’s a two-fer!

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    Miss Bianca says:

    OMG, he just keeps repeating the same phrases over and over and over while Pelosi and Schumer talk to the American people over his head.

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    trollhattan says:

    @TenguPhule:
    McConnell said “Democratic”? He must really want something.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @TenguPhule: Then again, it’s already true that nobody, left, right, or center, likes Mitch McConnell.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @TenguPhule: I was sure he would have said “over the next period of time.” “Period of time” is one of his tells for when he’s bluffing.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Miss Bianca: It’s really something, isn’t it? I really detest watching Trump but this one is worth it. You kind of need to see it in context to see how Nancy SMASH and Chuck respond as the whole thing goes on. It’s just amazing.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @trollhattan: I know, right. Its chilling.

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    Aleta says:

    @C Stars: I wonder how she handles her anger. And how she withstands his constant need to humiliate and lie. It must be exhausting. Speaks for how exceptional she is. How committed to us, when she could have bailed, gone for the money. I bet she’s been offered attractive buy outs by the other side.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @C Stars:

    It was like an SNL skit in which the comedians are trying mightily not to break character and laugh.

    It really could have been an SNL skit. Another case of reality lapping fiction.

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    dr. bloor says:

    @trollhattan: Leniency from the judge.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Yarrow: That’s because that hadn’t happened yet. Here in the bunker at Balloon Juice Actual we do everything we can to bring you the best in bespoke blogging, but just as the edit function doesn’t always work, neither does our time portal.

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    Martin says:

    @TenguPhule: Trump continues to prove the point that it requires a lot of time, skill and experience to build a good house, and only a few minutes for a toddler to burn it down.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Ladyraxterinok: Reid was also a pretty soft spoken guy. Schumer was his choice to follow him as Democratic leader.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I know. That’s why we lowly commenters fill in the gaps. It’s part of the Balloon-Juice experience.

    Of course, we could always channel Jonathan Karl (see upthread) who seems to know how to predict the future.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Ladyraxterinok:
    Harry Reid was never going to be a showboating quasi-socialist, representing Nevada and all, but he had Pelosi-level parliamentary skills and being an actual boxer, knew when and how to be tough. My favorite Harry Reid was late-period eyepatch Reid. Boxer and pirate! “Yarrr.”

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    JPL says:

    If you need to cleanse your brain, watch Michelle instead.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michelle-obama-note-to-self/

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    zhena gogolia says:

    I’m sorry but I’m with Ruemara. The media will make this look as if Pelosi and Schumer lost the argument.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Pelosi looks at the cameras and says “this is spiraling downwards” as the bickering continues in the Oval Office.

    This is bad comedy.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    Mr. Creosote just had a big lunch.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @Aleta: I don’t think I’ve ever seen Nancy get ruffled. She always has her eye on the prize and doesn’t get distracted by personal attacks. My guess is that she almost instinctively sees them as manipulative moves and makes the appropriate counter-move of ignoring them. We are indeed fortunate to have her.

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    tobie says:

    Glad to see Nancy owning the day’s news. It couldn’t come at a better time. Yesterday the Sunrise Movement staged another large sit-in in front of her office. I found this article in The Grist about the various proposals for dealing with climate change. Apparently there’s a bipartisan bill ready to go on a carbon tax — Energy Innovation and Carbon Dividend Act — that no one’s talking about because it’s too wonky and not accompanied by soaring rhetoric. It could, though, start the ball rolling on decarbonization.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    Apparently we have a new White House Chief of Staff! I honestly thought he’d stick with Fox News for the pic, so this is an outside the box choice.//

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    Martin says:

    @TenguPhule: I think Trump is looking in the wrong place. Political operatives are the usual place to find a COS, but I’m thinking there’s got to be a prison warden out there who would take the job and provide a valuable service to the staff he’s presiding over.

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    JMG says:

    Schumer was cracking up at Pence’s perfect Buster Keaton imitation.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @LuciaMia:

    Didnt Trumps mother ever tell him the little saying about why god gave you two ears and only one mouth?

    Well, when you have a butthole for a mouth sometimes you just can’t help but what comes out of it, or when.

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    C Stars says:

    @Fair Economist: Yeah, when he tries to up the ante and starts pulling stuff out of his ass about people who might be, you know, “contagious,” and the 10 terrorists, TEN TERRORISTS! I kind of expected him to break into song to the tune of “The Twelve Days of Christmas.” It’s all so absurd.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @Martin: My money is still on Ted Nugent.

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    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Oh my, that is so good. Nancy and Chuck really have it together!

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Yarrow: I ‘ve been following. It’s fucking surreal. The animatronic Trump at Disneyland would make a more convincing stab at sounding “presidential”. I have bern on self-imposed media blackout when it comes to listening to ShitgibbonSpeak, so it always shocks me anew to hear how paltry, petulant, and just plain *demented* it sounds.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @TenguPhule:

    At least that way it would be crystal clear to everyone not a Nazi what McConnell is once and for all.

    There are people, other than Chuck Todd and Chris Cillizza, who are unclear about this?

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Just watched the entire thing. Good God. They could have replaced Trump with an angry, mostly hairless, orange chimpanzee in full dominance display mode, and it wouldn’t have made a bit of difference. I liked how Pelosi kind of gestured toward him as she looked at the camera and noted that he was reading lies off his index cards. Reminded me of Jim on “The Office” breaking the fourth wall when his coworkers were being particularly clueless and vicious assholes.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @TenguPhule: They will stop as soon as the first injunction is issued within hours of them formalizing this rollback.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Martin:

    but I’m thinking there’s got to be a prison warden out there who would take the job and provide a valuable service to the staff he’s presiding over.

    Sounds more like an excellent choice for Chief Transition Officer.

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    Aleta says:

    @Yarrow: His face reddened when she opposed what he said, but you see how it still took awhile to sink in that she wasn’t going with his script. All he could do was keep up his act and nod, until a delayed reaction set in and he lost it. Pretty skillful of them. He’ll be breaking furniture all afternoon. I hope he made Pence stay after.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Fair Economist: Nancy Smash is my spirit animal.

    She is the original badass. In pearls.

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    sukabi says:

    @Adam L Silverman: 😆😂😂😂😂 for real? Oh snap!

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    Fair Economist says:

    @trollhattan:

    Harry Reid was never going to be a showboating quasi-socialist, representing Nevada and all, but he had Pelosi-level parliamentary skills and being an actual boxer, knew when and how to be tough.

    enh, not really. He knew by 2011 that the Republicans would be endlessly obstructive but didn’t nuke the confirmation filibuster until the lame duck session in 2014. That’s why we had Comey and not a loyal American heading the FBI, among many other missed opportunities.

    Schumer has held the Republicans to only one piece of major legislation so I think he’s doing his job OK. He doesn’t have the option of going scorched-earth because there are a half-dozen or so Democratic Senators for whom that would be politically radioactive because they represent red or reddish states. I admit I’d prefer Reid over Schumer but I don’t think they are all that different. I also don’t think there’s anyone better. Durbin and Murray are even less of knife-fighters than Schumer, and I really doubt Warren has the clout to hold the caucus together.

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    C Stars says:

    @Fair Economist: @Aleta: Yeah, I’ve been annoyed by Pelosi in the past because she can be strangely inarticulate when speaking one-on-one with the press. But when it comes to managing high-conflict situations with aplomb, she really has it in her blood. I don’t think she gives a f*ck about all of Trump’s and the GOPs silly machinations, beyond finding it kind of ridiculous and, also, of course, realizing that–when properly exposed–it is an in for her and the Democrats.

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    eemom says:

    Say what you will about Schumer….I loved the way he sat there giggling at Dump’s lies.

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    C Stars says:

    @Aleta: Exactly. In not so many words, she essentially said: “You’re ridiculous. I’ll take control of this meeting, thank you very much.”

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    sukabi says:

    @Yarrow: yeah…😒 he’s also admitted in a recent interview that he regularly lies about not reading or knowing about drumpfs tweets.

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    @Aleta: Preparation. Pelosi and Schumer clearly prepared for the meeting. Each had their own talking points – Pelosi the vote count and Schumer Trump’s lies as two examples. They kept to their own talking points and pummeled Trump. In the after-conference, they did the same thing. They also took all the opportunities for the high road – Trump’s shutdown, we have two proposals we hope he’ll consider, he was just wrong (on several things). And then they limited questions to this topic.

    I’ve worked with strategists like that. When you’re in the middle of it, there’s no time for anger, and after you’ve made a fool of the opposition, no need for anger.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    I liked how Pelosi kind of gestured toward him as she looked at the camera and noted that he was reading lies off his index cards

    Nancy and Chuck must have rehearsed this – they were so ready! It has to add to Trump’s fury that he, the master of media in his eyes, just got upstaged by a politician with supposedly weak TV skills.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Aleta: He’s already started. He’s watching Fox News and retweeting the anti-Comey commentary he’s watching.

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    MCA1 says:

    @Adam L Silverman: While all of this is true (and I’m not a Schumer hater, mind you), to some degree it indicates that Schumer’s spent the last couple of years as Minority Leader fighting the wrong battles and/or not recognizing that the institution in which he serves as a leader has been rendered utterly nonfunctional by Republicans.

    He can’t be faulted for not singlehandedly changing the way the media allows the nation to perceive what it is that the GOP has been doing under Cheney, McConnell, Ryan et. al., but he’s not an effective soldier in that war. He gives off an aura of not even perceiving the structural issues as you point them out. Or at best, he hasn’t figured out that, futile though it may be, his best bet would either be (a) forcing McConnell to do all the shit you note he would gladly do and then screaming and shouting about it in hopes that someone eventually pays attention to Turtle’s bald fascism, or (b) spending every day he has holding press conferences to demand Gorsuch’s retirement and replacement with Garland, or asking why it is that 30% of the population gets to rule the rest of us through the Senate, or whatever. Harry Reid wasn’t perfect at that stuff, but he was certainly better.

    Schumer’s a good legislator. But right now that’s like saying “That guy’s a solid third baseman with decent opposite field power” of a person standing on a field after all the baseball players have left and there’s now a bunch of guys running around in football pads all around him. The Senate is no longer a legislative body.

    Either way, the GOP has intentionally broken the Senate has, and I think Democratic rank and file would like their most powerful member there to just up and say it. The problem will never get fixed without impressing upon the minds of the public that the problem exists, and correctly attributing blame.

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    Betty Cracker says:

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    Mnemosyne says:

    Here’s the Hoarse Whisperer on how Nancy Pelosi pwned Trump. He doesn’t use the phrase, but I’ve seen people call this the “grey rock” technique for dealing with narcissists. Basically, you don’t give them an emotional handle to grab onto and manipulate you with:

    Just so ya know, Nancy Pelosi just put on a clinic in how to deal with someone with narcissistic personality disorder.Flat, unemotional, fact-based responses. Refusing to be baited. Staying on message without being distracted by nonsense.That was a “managing an NPD” clinic.— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) December 11, 2018

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    C Stars says:

    @Fair Economist: Argh, I missed that part! Might have to go back and watch through it again.

    Does anyone know who set this meeting up? Was it the White House trying to stage another dumb reality TV show moment? I mean… what dumbass ever could have possibly thought this would be a good idea for Trump?

    Interesting how throughout the meeting Pelosi keeps staring wearily at the press and mentioning what a terrible format this is to have this kind of debate.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @C Stars:

    Yeah, I’ve been annoyed by Pelosi in the past because she can be strangely inarticulate when speaking one-on-one with the press. But when it comes to managing high-conflict situations with aplomb, she really has it in her blood.

    That’s a good insight, and I hope she can leverage her personal skills by choosing media opportunities to show off her strengths more. Hillary had a somewhat similar problem in that, by repute, she was incredibly charming in small-group situations but didn’t get to display that in the mass media.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @C Stars:

    I mean… what dumbass ever could have possibly thought this would be a good idea for Trump?

    Trump did. He had his insults and lies all ready to go.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Aleta: “Unlock my door? I don’t want to unlock my door. I don’t want to meet with her. Have you seen her? She’s scary!! I’ll stay right in here, thank you.”

    Oops – intended to reply to Yarrow one post up.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    There are people, other than Chuck Todd and Chris Cillizza, who are unclear about this?

    Sadly yes. One of them is currently Senate Minority leader.

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    sukabi says:

    just look at the state of Trump’s staff…or don’t.

    Don’t need to see it. I’ll believe Stormy’s description of Yeti pubes and Toad pud.

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    blackcatsrule says:

    Whatever they have Pence on, I want some.

    Love how Pelosi is talking to asswipe like he’s a very slow 2nd grader failing civics class.

    Would like people to keep asking about Mexico paying for the wall…

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    Kelly says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    McConnell does not care what the Senate rules are. Nor the norms, customs, and/or traditions.

    and most of our fellow citizens are completely unaware of or don’t care about Senate norms, customs and/ot traditions.

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    Victory says:

    Now, when the deal is made with what they already have to avoid a shutdown Pelosi needs to go on camera and say, “We avoided the government shutdown because we got the President to cave.”

    That will drive him absolutely insane!

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    catclub says:

    @C Stars:

    what dumbass ever could have possibly thought this would be a good idea for Trump?

    I think that would be Trump.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @MCA1:

    the GOP has intentionally broken the Senate has, and I think Democratic rank and file would like their most powerful member there to just up and say it.

    You will not find a Democratic senator who will say this explicitly. You might have a few of the younger, newer ones do it implicitly.

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    eclare says:

    @Fair Economist: Nancy has said that is the big reason she does not do more tv.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I always appreciated that the voice of Granny Goodness was Ed Asner.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Kelly: Exactly. And he was smart enough to figure out that would work to his advantage. That people making process arguments against him wouldn’t move the needle at all. In fact they’d most likely just make things easier for him as he could get the news media to portray the complaints as sour grapes.

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    West of the Rockies says:

    Pence has the look and sexual heat of a ventriloquist’s dummy.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Gravenstone: Yep.

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    dexwood says:

    That was fun, well, except for president Asshole, as usual. Pence looks like something unpleasant the cat left on a chair.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    She’s too decent to take that job.

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    C Stars says:

    @West of the Rockies: And he’s got little black sewn-on button eyes like the demons in Coraline.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @zhena gogolia: That’s why I used the sarc tags: //.

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    The President of these United States sounds cray cray. Winning for Putinski!

    ETA: I wanna Wall, I is gonna stomp my footsie, until I gets my Wall, my precious.

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    Wapiti says:

    I like how Pelosi and Schumer repeatedly say that we need to discuss this stuff in private, then make their points to the press. Again and again. Donild Turnip got played here.

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    Jeffro says:

    @MCA1:

    [Schumer] spending every day he has holding press conferences to demand Gorsuch’s retirement and replacement with Garland

    I am SO DOWN with this idea.

    Do a “Day XXX of the Gorsuch Theft” like they used to do w/ the Iran hostage situation on the nightly news

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    Jeffro says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    You will not find a Democratic senator who will say this explicitly. You might have a few of the younger, newer ones do it implicitly.

    Who will be the Ocasio-Cortez of the Senate Dems? I guess we will find out in 2020, when the first one is elected…

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    Ksmiami says:

    @Adam L Silverman: we could actually start fistfights my bet is McConnell is a chicken shit. As other historians have noted, you can’t negotiate with fascists, you have to crush them into powder

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    satby says:

    @Jeffro: odd that the people’s saviour Wilmer isn’t stepping up to the plate on that. Not.

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    SteveNKY says:

    Who’s better than Nancy P as speaker?
    Pence never intended to be there or stay because he didn’t unbutton his jacket.
    Will he resign before the orange menace?

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    Aleta says:

    @Mnemosyne: It’s also a skill most of us are familiar with: how to keep the surface calm to keep a bully from either going out of control or winning by threat. Feigning friendliness as needed, so a monster might keep pretending to be human.

    Checking a narcissist takes an internal toll, so what I wonder is, when she gets home at night, does she have to make an effort to release the natural anger at his dominance plays and lies? Does she need a drink, a swim, a person to listen?

    Or does she let his toxin just dry up and blow away as soon as she’s out the WH door.

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    Aleta says:

    @Inventor: If only they would drop. A couple of times you could see her use his own momentum to make him fall though.

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    EBT says:

    Pence is a god bothering fool of a took who has no place in government.

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    Quiltingfool says:

    @Betty Cracker: You know, at one point I thought Nancy might take her shoe off and beat Trump with it. I’d pay good money to see that.

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    TriassicSands says:

    @Fair Economist:

    I’m pretty sure if Trump watched this clip he would be convinced he crushed Pelosi and Schumer. And Pence would be cheering him on. I seriously doubt if Trump has the ability to fairly appraise his performances. After all, the largest inaugural crowd in history can attest to his perfection.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Ksmiami: Most likely.

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    Jay C says:

    @West of the Rockies:

    Pence has the look and sexual heat of a ventriloquist’s dummy.

    Not even. In most ventriloquists’ acts, the dummy at least gets off a few laugh lines, and some snark. Mike Pence usually doesn’t even manage that….

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @Adam L Silverman: people think he’s a pushover because he traded lifetime Article III appointments for jack shit.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Bobby Thomson: What’s lower than jack shit? Because that’s what Schoomey got in return for his “Gentleman’s Agreement” with Turtle.

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    J R in WV says:

    @TenguPhule:

    If Schumer was worth his salt, he’d do this and make McConnell actually work for it.

    At least that way it would be crystal clear to everyone not a Nazi what McConnell is once and for all.

    If McConnell’s refusal to even hold hearings for Obama’s final Supreme Court nominee didn’t make it clear that he, McConnell, is a stone fascist, racist, totalitarian, NOTHING will do that. Were you awake for that catastrophe? No? thought not.

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    KSinMA says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Fantastic press conference!

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    TenguPhule says:

    @J R in WV:

    If McConnell’s refusal to even hold hearings for Obama’s final Supreme Court nominee didn’t make it clear that he, McConnell, is a stone fascist, racist, totalitarian, NOTHING will do that. Were you awake for that catastrophe?

    I was aware. McConnell used the media to pull a “both sides” citing a non-existent “Biden Rule”.

    Make McConnell break every single one of the Senate’s rules and traditions out in the open. Let everyone see it happen.

    There is a prevailing myth still held by a majority of Americans that the Senate is having problems but will eventually be fixed.

    We need to make it clear once and for all that the Senate is broken beyond repair.

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    J R in WV says:

    @TenguPhule:

    We need to make it clear once and for all that the Senate is broken beyond repair.

    In which case, our government is broken beyond repair, as the Senate is a definitive portion of the government. What do you suggest we do without a constitutional government to work with?

    I think putting McConnell in jail. along with his wife Ms Chow and other leading Senate Republicans who have received funding from hostile foreign powers whould go a long way towards repairing the Senate. Short of fixing a broken but critical part of the constitutional government, what would you suggest? Asking for a friend, be constructive!

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Aleta:

    Nancy Pelosi has an advantage that most people who have to deal with narcissists don’t have: she is his equal, not his subordinate. He has no legal power over her. That is going to drive him fucking INSANE, because narcs are control freaks who must be in control of everyone else around them at all times.

    He hasn’t had anyone in his life who was his equal or superior since his parents died. I fully expect a massive meltdown when it finally dawns on him that she does not report to him and in fact has massive power in her own right.

    Being out of reach of the narc’s control makes it much, much easier to deal with them.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @J R in WV:

    What do you suggest we do without a constitutional government to work with?

    Depends. How far does the rot go?

    If its as bad as I fear it is, trying to pretend we’re still a civil society is only going to make things even worse down the road.

    I mean, we’re pretty much writing off entire states as lost causes because the majority of voters there are overwhelming batshit insane cultists to Trump.

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    Ken says:

    @catclub: exactly. The rules are there are no rules.

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