Criminal Abuse Open Thread: Ready Player Individual-1

Balloon Juice commentor Waldo:

What prosecutors say: The president was in on it.
What Trump hears: The president was innocent.

129 replies
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    Aleta says:

    What the report says:
    Redacted redacted redacted

    What Fix says:
    Found no evidence !!!!

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    Suzanne says:

    but “Totally clears the president. Thank you!” Is a genuinely hilarious tweet

    True facts.
    All of this ***might***seem funny in, say, fifty years—but only if we manage to kick Trumpism to the curb of history and marginalize his lunatic followers forever.

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    Schlemazel says:

    It pisses me off that Bloody Bill now pretends he is not part of the problem. I remind him every tweet I see that he built this mess & he owns it

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Schlemazel: Meh. They have no shame.

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    Mary G says:

    Dear FSM, please:

    A great investigative journalist out there is going to win a Pulitzer Prize writing about how the New York office of the FBI has fed @RudyGiuliani classified information for *YEARS* & how that information has been used by @realDonaldTrump . It's just sitting there for a reporter.— Don Winslow (@donwinslow) December 8, 2018

    I need that story ASAP. Comey wasn’t the only member of the FBI to screw Hillary over.

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    West of the Rockies says:


    Quite true. FSM, let it be that one day (soon, please!) this is all fascinating history and so much justice served, but for now this shit is real. We have to hope for and fight for truth and transparency. 27% of the country is against such measures.

    Our collective future is at play.

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    Schlemazel says:

    true but they should never be allowed to think people have forgotten

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    NotMax says:

    @Mary G

    Don Winslow

    Of the Navy?

    /couldn’t resist a smidgen of trivia

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    germy says:

    This Comey transcript is a trainwreck.

    L: Comey says that not releasing the Oct 28 HRC report that turned out to be utter bullshit would "destroy the FBI"

    R: Comey says Trump being a traitorous asset is no big deal for the FBI, the FBI will "be fine" and "snap back"

    — Sarah Kendzior (@sarahkendzior) December 8, 2018

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    oldster says:

    That image of Don Jr. printing out emails to shred is so funny that I coughed up most of a lung.

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    germy says:

    SNL asked the question “What if Trump were Black?”

    Shortest sketch ever.

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    Chyron HR says:

    Of the people claiming that the president has been cleared, how many of them knowingly are spreading propaganda, and how many are dumb enough to believe it?

    (Of the presidents claiming that the president has been cleared, how many of them are knowingly spreading propaganda, and how many are dumb enough to believe it?)

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    Mandalay says:


    It pisses me off that Bloody Bill now pretends he is not part of the problem.

    He earns a living by vilifying Trump and telling everyone who will listen that the Republican Party is owned by Trump, yet he remains a member of the Republican Party.

    He must go through some serious cognitive dissonance every day. Steve Schmidt and a few others managed to resolve that conundrum: they left the Republican Party. That’s a bridge too far for Kristol. He’s fallen from merely being the guy who is always wrong to a pathetic and absurd figure.

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    West of the Rockies says:


    Gale Sayers said, “The Lord is first, my friends are second, I am third.”

    Comey’s take? “I am first, The Bureau second, truth is… Meh.”

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    West of the Rockies says:


    And now Bill’s beloved Weekly Standard is about to fall into the dustbin of history.

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    germy says:

    @West of the Rockies: I still think Comey got as far in his career as he did because he’s tall. If he’d been a little guy, he never would have advanced enough to do so much damage.

    Same with Arne Duncan.

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    tobie says:

    @Mary G: I would like to know if the Inspector General Michael Horowitz ever investigated the NY Office of the FBI or for that matter Chris Wray. Horowitz wasted no time going after Andrew McCabe and Peter Strzok. I would think the shenanigans of the NY FBI office would be just as urgent.

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    tobie says:

    @tobie: I meant to say, “I would like to know if IG Horowitz ever investigated the NY office of the FBI, or for that matter if Chris Wray ever did.” That’s a little clearer.

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    Mary G says:

    @tobie: I agree! There are some indications that an investigation was opened, but we haven’t heard anything about it. Maybe Mueller took it over! He doesn’t leak.

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    Mandalay says:

    Trump strikes again. Another 800 off the Dow tomorrow?…

    The Chinese foreign ministry on Sunday summoned U.S. Ambassador to China Terry Branstad to protest the detention of a senior tech executive by the Canadian authorities “at the unreasonable behest of the United States.”

    Vice Foreign Minister Le Yucheng demanded the release of Meng Wanzhou, chief financial officer of Huawei Technologies, who is accused by U.S. officials of attempting to circumvent U.S. sanctions on Iran.

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    JWL says:

    “A man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest”. That’s a great lyric from The Boxer by Paul Simon. In Trump’s case, however, he knows better. He’s been cornered before, sure, but he understands this time it’s different.

    Trump has only one chance to successfully plead diminished capacity and skate at this point. He must begin to walk around with his tiny pecker hanging out. It’s the only chance he’s got. Indeed, if he keeps it zipped at this point, people will look back and speak of his decision as they will always speak of Nixon’s refusal to burn the Watergate tapes..

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    Skepticat says:

    “If Trump really wanted Hillary locked up, he should have hired her to work on his campaign”

    For the win

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    SRW1 says:

    Once you’re domiciled in the bunker, the perspective kinda shrinks to day-to-day.

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    trollhattan says:

    Trump has spent his entire seventy-whatever years waving off anything he doesn’t like/care about/wish to believe as a mistake/irrelevant/fake(!) and it has worked. He’s not about to change now, but perhaps reality will finally catch and bite off his ginormous ass. Perhaps. He’s slippery as a rotted eel and I’m not betting the rent.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Chyron HR:
    I’d bet the majority of them know and don’t give a shit.
    Half our political system is made up of 3rd graders with keys to the executive washroom and a hookers and blow slush fund. They aren’t giving that up.

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    HeleninEire says:

    Just got in from London. Jeez that city is FAB.

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    Ruckus says:


    He’s been cornered before, sure, but he understands this time it’s different.

    He doesn’t understand why it’s different.

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    sukabi says:

    @trollhattan: I’m not so sure it’s the case that he’s too slippery, I think it’s more the case that it’s a ‘class’ thing combined with a ‘he’s loudly obnoxious AND likes to use blackmail to get his way’ with a huge helping of inadequate enforcement people looking out for their personal interests.

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    TriassicSands says:


    Kristol and so many of the “never Trumpers” just seem to want “their” Republican Party back. That’s the GOP of 2015 — you know, the party that made Trump’s nomination and election possible. Kristol will never acknowledge, meaningfully, that he was a key architect for this entire disaster. Neither will he and other never Trumpers accept that the root problem is not Trump, it’s the Republican Party. He and other nTs would have to renounce the entire basis for the current GOP before any admission of responsibility would have any meaning.

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    He earns a living by vilifying Trump and telling everyone who will listen that the Republican Party is owned by Trump, yet he remains a member of the Republican Party.

    He must go through some serious cognitive dissonance every day.

    Not at all. I’m sure he would say that he sees his mission as fixing the Republican party, and that he can do a better job of that from within than without. He may be wrong to believe there are still enough sane, old-school Republicans around to make that a workable project, but it’s not inherently crazy to want to try.

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    Aleta says:

    via your link to Preet:

    The Onion @TheOnion

    Giuliani Insists Breaking The Law Not A Crime

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    p.a. says:

    Lots of time to create their own reality when they’re behind bars.

    But seriously, as the walls close in, you know trump will incite the true believers to violence. Hoping the police reaction will be equivalent to cop reactions when a black man has a legally-carried firearm. Clear the fucking gene pool.

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    Ruckus says:

    He’s always claimed to be worth a lot more than he was. He’s always claimed to be the best businessman in the world. He’s always claimed to be hot with the ladies.
    None of this is in any way true. But the claims got him off the hot seat because he was wealthy enough that he could buy his way out. Now at the sunset of his life it’s all coming back to bite him on the ass, because he’s believed his own bullshit for all these years and has turned on the brightest spot light directly on himself. It’s his own bullshit that will do him in, not his “friends” or even his enemies.

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    Yarrow says:

    Looking forward to Marco Rubio, Lindsay Graham, Rand Paul, & Ted Cruz defend the guy who likely got help from Russia to defeat them for the Republican nomination.

    Ted Cruz is in big trouble. He was the Mercers’ first choice. He used Cambridge Analytica before Trump did. His time is coming.

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    TriassicSands says:


    I really don’t know what “he” understands. If anything. He’s never been held accountable in any meaningful way (jail time for fraud, say) and he does seem to believe he’s above the law — something he believed before he was granted the unlimited power to control the legal process and pardon anyone, including himself, for any and all crimes*. Only can it be a crime if the man who defines the law does it?

    *His interpretation of reality.

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    geg6 says:


    To her credit, Jen Rubin has renounced the GOP. I still don’t quite trust her, but she has walked the walk.

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    Aleta says:

    How I see them: Mold in the walls of the house I had built by the lowest bidder? No problem, just cover up and sell.
    Mold/cracks in the school I contracted out to connected friends? No problem, I’ve moved on to the state legislature.

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    scav says:

    The roar of laughter that will greet the next proclamation that the United States is the international exemplar of the Rule of Law will undoubtedly break the extended Beaufort Scale.

    On the upside, it will probably be missed in the general giggles at many other national pronouncements.

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    Aleta says:

    @HeleninEire: Welcome back to your fair city!

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    Mike in DC says:

    The best way to put pressure on Republican senators is for Mueller and House Democrats to continue the drip, drip, drip of scandals, and bring them on the Sunday shows to keep asking them for their take on it. That way, by the time the report comes out, they’re put on the spot more, and any excuses for inaction look more pathetic. Every response will be recorded for prosperity…and future attack ads.

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    Ruckus says:

    Actually it’s pretty simple.
    He believes he is the greatest. He’s Ali in an oversized suit with bad hair. And unlike Ali who was telling the truth, individual 1 never tells the truth and is the antithesis of it. But what he understands is that he is the greatest at whatever he does or says or owns. And the reality is that he is the opposite of everything he believes he is.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @Mandalay: T Branstead?!?!

    One of most hideous IA govs ever!! GOP, of course!

    IIRC his son is IA trade delegate to China. Or at least has something to do with China.

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    TriassicSands says:


    I read Rubin’s WaPo columns. I agree with you up to a point. She’s talking the talk. I don’t think she’s done much walking yet. That would require her to accept some personal responsibility for her role as an enabler. From what I’ve seen, so far all of her criticism has been directed away from herself. Maybe it is too much to hope for someone who was an active Republican for so many years to accept individual responsibility for her role. That’s not normally a thing Republicans do. I fear that she abhors what the GOP has become under Trump without acknowledging that she was with the Party until it was too late. Since the rot in the GOP goes back at least to the early nineties, it’s not enough to swear off Trumpism.

    Others may see things differently.

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    Chetan Murthy says:


    Others may see things differently.

    100% agree with you. And furthermore, I haven’t seen her change much, foreign-policy-wise. I think she’s in the position of “I didn’t leave the party; the party left me”. And she’ll rejoin whatever new GrOPer party is formed after this debacle is put to bed. Uh, assuming it ever is.

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    TriassicSands says:


    I agree with all that, but it raises the question What does he actually understand?

    Publicly, he seems totally out of touch with reality. What is the “reality” in his (diseased) head? I’m not convinced that he believes he is in any serious jeopardy. But I could be wrong.

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    Ruckus says:

    He didn’t put the mold in there or the cracks either. It’s not his fault and if you continue to question his “ethics” he will sue you till blood comes out your ears.
    What do you want to do, which is going to cost you more, fixing the problem or suing his ass? Also you can fix the problem in months at the longest, suing him will take years. So you don’t sue him unless you have a lot of money and even then you’d most likely just cut your losses because you know in the end, you will lose in one way or another.
    He’s a grifter. It’s what he does. You really can’t win with him, the best to do is to stay away from him. Oops, too late for us.

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    sukabi says:

    @TriassicSands: I think he knows, that’s what all the panicked tweeting is about. I don’t think he gives 2 shits about the impact any of this is having on anyone except himself…and that includes his soon to be indicted kids.

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    trollhattan says:

    Watch for the JRub welcome to Senator Romney. That will tell us quite a bit.

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    HeleninEire says:

    @Aleta: Kisses.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    Yesterday I mentioned how there were two guys at the “yellow vest” protests in Paris holding up the flag of the Russian-backed separatist “Donetsk People’s Republic.” Today they’ve been identified, and one of them is a Frenchman who’s a member of the Dies Irae movement. Wonderful synergy there.

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @trollhattan: Oh, nice. Thank you for this. I hadn’t thought about it, but yeah, she was a serious Rmoney stan, back in the day. Wonder if she’s renounced that. Bet not.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    I saw two otters today! So cute, but they’ll rip your face off if you get on their nerves. Most people don’t know that. 🤔

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    Mandalay says:

    @Roger Moore:

    it’s not inherently crazy to want to try

    It is when your position is so clearly at odds with the party. Kristol wants to remain a member of the Republican Party while constantly criticizing Trump and the Republican Party. You can count the number of Republicans in Congress who have challenged President Trump on one hand, so Kristol can hardly claim that apart from Trump the Republican Party is aligned with him. It isn’t.

    If Kristol wants to remain a member of the Republican Party he needs to stop attacking Trump and the party, or leave. His current position is untenable.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @trollhattan: Think there’s any chance Romney will primary Trump in 2020? This is just my idle speculation, but I think he will if Trump is on the ropes. Romney seems to genuinely believe he’s destined to be POTUS, but tick-tock…

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    TriassicSands says:


    I love this: “I don’t know if I can say ‘retiring,’ but he’s a great guy.”

    He’s a great guy now, but if he says anything critical of Trump — like what an idiot he is — Trump will call Kelly a lazy, worthless fool and claim he only kept him around for the sake of stability.

    One of the more entertaining aspects of Trump, the world’s worst judge of character and competence, is his before and after comments about people he hires and fires.

    Q: Why does Kelly have to go now?

    Is it a case of one more rat jumping a sinking ship (while the oblivious captain continues to roll his ball bearings)?

    Or has he become a naysayer when Trump, as always, requires nothing but “yes men and women?”

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    Hungry Joe says:

    It’s not hard to see why Trump is convinced that he’s The Greatest Human Ever, and is untouchable. Look at his life: Although a twisted, amoral, narcissistic (and now cognitively impaired) blowhard with an endless series of shady deals, lying, cheating, and stealing, he not only remained at large but lived in mansions, assaulted women without consequence, and played golf at his own resorts. Now he’s President of the United States. There’s a lot of evidence to back up his belief in his own invulnerability.

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    Raven says:

    You know those last gasp multiple laterals that never work? Bye Bye Pats!

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    Ruckus says:

    On some level he probably knows. There is too much noise out there not to hear some of it. But he has a lot of interference to hearing more. And he hides from hearing any as much as possible.
    If, and this is an if doing a lot of work here, he has dementia, of whatever type, he’s going to know less and less. If I’m right that he has Alzheimers then it’s how his disease progresses that will tell you how much he understands. And it’s possible that he is not suffering from dementia and we are just being exposed to his real personality. If that’s the case he is a fucking master class asshole. Which I think is true even if he has dementia.
    Please don’t think I can see inside that head, nor do I want to, I hate horror movies, and this is one of the worst ever. He’s a horrible human being, we all know that. His supporters all say he’s fine because they want some massive asshole to lead them or that his problems are minor, justifying their own decisions.
    To those who expected people to leave the republican party to staunchly support democratic principles, I say wake up. Any adult who has supported republicans in the last 20 yrs is going to have to have a personal come to jesus moment, like Cole did. They are going to have to stop and examine their entire belief system and see it wanting to do that. They may not like individual 1 in any way, but that does not mean they are leaving the party, just that the party left them. They haven’t changed, just woken up to current events.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Betty Cracker:
    If Willard is 1/10 as vindictive as Trump himself the secretary of state bait & switch theater will be reason enough for him to run for 2020. I’d be okay with that.

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    Another Scott says:

    @TriassicSands: There was some GOP Wise Man on BBC radio last night saying that Kelly’s wife wanted to retire to Florida a couple of years ago and finally put her foot down. Maybe so. Maybe not.




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    Ruckus says:

    @Another Scott:
    I can only get up to skeptical about anything involving any one in the republican party in the court decision. Anything less than that court decision is just pure speculation to me and I give it little credence. Even from their own mouths. Or maybe especially from their own mouths.

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    @Betty Cracker: Otters! They are so much fun to watch, face-ripping apart.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Betty Cracker: I did not know Florida had Florida Otter. Thought they were a West Coast animal. But no.

    From March 2018: Orlando Weekly: River otters in Florida got into multiple fights with kayakers last weekend

    Otters in Florida are apparently sick and tired of people paddling down their rivers.

    Last weekend, a 77-year-old Florida woman had to get stitches and treatment for rabies after she was attacked by a wild otter while kayaking.

    …. Otter attacks aren’t that uncommon in Florida rivers. Last weekend, three other reports of people being injured by otters were filed to the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission, two of which were only two miles from Spector’s attack, reports The Miami Herald.

    The Herald also reports that an otter in the same area was spotted getting into it with an alligator on Sunday. However, FWC officials are unaware if the otter survived this encounter.

    Unwise, little guy. Unwise.

    The Miami Herald link brings up this story, which I think Ms. Cracker, or someone, posted here previously.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Yes, all otters are cute, but best observed from a safe distance. Even relatively docile sea otters can do some real damage with their sharp teeth and powerful, shell-cracking jaws.

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    Mary G says:

    Stenographer checks in:

    Confirmed, Ayers told Trump he won’t take the chief of staff role. He’s still leaving the administration and is likely to have a role with the super PAC backing Trump.— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) December 9, 2018

    Using the time-honored excuse of “more time with his family,” someone can read the tea leaves and is jumping ship. Poor Mike Dense will be deprived of his soulmate.

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    Mary G says:

    @Mary G: I bet Twitler decides to be his own chief of staff:

    Ayers told Trump he would take the chief of staff job on a temporary basis, but Trump was insistent on two years. There isn’t really anyone else on a shortlist for this job. Kelly leaves in three weeks.— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) December 9, 2018

    No one else wants the job. You know it comes with sky-high personal attorney bills.

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    Another Scott says:

    Seeing this CBS News tweet with Rep Adam Schiff on TeamPelosi’s twitter feed reminds me….

    We know from Wolff’s book that Trump didn’t expect to win. He didn’t want to win. He wanted to be taken seriously by his betters, and use that new stature to plaster his name on big buildings in Moscow, Beijing, Riyadh, etc. Running for President was just the ultimate grift for him.

    Maybe that’s the way out of this.

    “Well, Donnie, we’ve got you dead to rights and you know it. We know you want these problems to go away, and there’s a simple way for that to happen. You, and Pence, resign and give up your control of the Trump Organization, etc., etc. You pay a $100M fine and sign a confession. And we’ll settle for no jail time for you or your kids. What do you say?”

    We know he’s a coward. We know he will lie and say that it was all someone else’s fault, that his lawyers sold him out, etc., etc. But would he take it?


    But the fact that he’s a grifter and not a politician is something that might be used to Mueller’s and the USA’s advantage to end this nightmare sooner rather than later…


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    Mr Stagger Lee says:

    I won’t miss John Kelly the racist piece of shite who more than likely had a hand in the policy of separation of children from their parents. Nick Ayers is smart in saying fcuk that to the job of COS. I suspect he has own grifting to make sweet lucre, without the stench of Trump.(or he figures Trump Don Il is going to be a goner and he will be President Pence’s COS)

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    chris says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Dies Irae movement

    Wrath of god movement? New to me and google/wiki is no help. A link or some elaboration, please.

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    sukabi says:

    @Mary G: who knew being CoS to Individual 1 wouldn’t be a huge draw? Shocking!

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    trollhattan says:

    I was thinking a type of reggae. Irie, mon!

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    PPCLI says:

    @Another Scott: Back then maybe. But Trump is clearly so intoxicated with the idea of himself in command, in charge, the boss, the head man, top dog big cheese that he’ll never give the position up willingly now. Plus I think he really believes that as president he can make it go away. I expect at the end the oval office will resemble the scenes in Downfall, with Deadbeat Donald ordering non-existent divisions of lawyers forward to fight the incoming FBI.

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    westyny says:

    @Betty Cracker: Nature’s Clowns are really Nature’s Scary Clowns.

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    efgoldman says:

    Just talked to my kids/randkids. Exhilarating

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    PPCLI says:

    @Mr Stagger Lee: Bingo. As soon as Trump is dragged out of the oval office, that “Super-PAC supporting Trump” will suddenly transform into one supporting Pence.

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    A Ghost To Most says:


    Others may see things differently.

    I agree with geg6.

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    Mike J says:

    @efgoldman: I’ve never met my randkids. I assume they’re just spread randomly around the planet. Better than having Randkids though.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @Betty Cracker: Otters are water racoons. Best leave both alone.

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    dmsilev says:

    @efgoldman: Aren’t they a little young to be reading Atlas Shrugged?

    Glad you’re on the mend, to be sure.

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    Suzanne says:

    @Mary G: It will also destroy his future career prospects. If Ayers is as smart as everyone says, he can see that shit a mile away.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Mary G:

    I bet Twitler decides to be his own chief of staff:

    Nah, he’ll farm it out to Jared.

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    trollhattan says:


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    Elizabelle says:

    @Mary G:

    LOL. A WaPost reader comment on Ayers and declining the CoS position:

    The job offer comes with perks: an invitation to meet Robert Mueller.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @efgoldman: So happy for you. I hope you will see them in person rather soon, too.

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    sdhays says:

    @Betty Cracker: Mitt’s failure to slay “The Dark One” in 2012 will make it very difficult for him to win the chance to lose to the 2020 Democratic candidate. Although I’d love to see him humiliate himself again.

    The only way I see a serious Republican Primary happening is if, for some reason, PP decides not to run for reelection. There’s certainly no evidence that Republican primary voters are ready to dump Trump right now, and it will be an awkward sell to run against him the Republican primary while the Party will be in full-bore bunker mode dealing with how to respond to his crimes as they become increasingly laid bare. They’re joined at the hip now.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Elizabelle: “Florida Otter,” 🤣, I guess no species is immune to the contact lunacy.

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    Aleta says:

    @Mary G: I wonder which source was still assuring CBS, NBS, Politico etc the last two days that Ayers was it.

    Or did things change after Ayers ignored the Cliff Notes memo from the WH and last night under his duvet furtively read the banned report?

    Ayers has ambitions and that disqualifies Trump in his mind.

    At least we know now that Ayers reads John Cole.

    Cake or Death @Johngcole
    The best thing about Trump bringing in young douchebags like Ayers is now we are eating into their seed corn and we can taint these motherfuckers for life, too.

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    James E Powell says:


    Mitt’s failure to slay “The Dark One” in 2012 will make it very difficult for him to win the chance to lose to the 2020 Democratic candidate.

    Republican voters only showed enthusiasm for Romney once: after the first debate when he yelled at Obama. They knew that while Romney was eager to pander to their hateful bigotry, he didn’t share it. Trump not only shares their bigotry, he praised them for it. They will continue to demand an unapologetic white supremacist for their nominee.

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    debbie says:

    @Another Scott:

    He would never part with that much money. Too cheap and too used to using financial trickery to avoid paying much of anything.

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    chris says:

    @trollhattan: LOL, yes. Never thought of that, five years of Latin got in the way.

    @Another Scott: Thanks, I got that. Was looking for more on Dies Irae movement so off to google “Judgement Day.” And nope, no joy there.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Fat Bastard’s work day starts at 11 AM and ends at 4 PM, including lots of Executive Time for watching TV and making phone calls to his idiot advisors. Surely Jared could handle being Chief of Staff under those circumstances.

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    @Mnemosyne: They are cute and smart, what’s not to like.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    Former FBI Director James Comey told House investigators that he was “concerned” about FBI officials in the bureau’s New York field office leaking information about the Hillary Clinton email probe to Rudy Giuliani. “I was concerned that there appeared to be in the media a number of stories that might have been based on communications reporters or non-reporters like Rudy Giuliani were having with people in the New York field office,” Comey said, according to a transcript released Saturday. “Mr. Giuliani was making statements that appeared to be based on his knowledge of workings inside the FBI New York.”

    hoocudanode (besides anyone paying attention)?

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    efgoldman says:


    I hope you will see them in person rather soon, to

    Xmas day

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    debbie says:


    Hmm. I’m picturing a smackdown between that kayaker-attacking otter and the seal who slapped a kayaker with an octopus.

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    debbie says:


    Happy holidays indeed!

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    Another Scott says:

    @debbie: Dunno. He’s got a history of just giving up when the kitchen gets hot enough. WaPo from 2016:

    Last week, I watched as Trump was nearly held accountable at the first presidential debate for laying the groundwork for this city-wide catastrophe. I watched Hillary Clinton take him to task for reneging on hundreds of contracts with local laborers. But the Donald just pursed his lips and shrugged, saying that was what “our country should do, too.”


    Trump no longer has controlling interest in any Atlantic City corporation, having retreated in 2010 after his third bankruptcy there, so it’s easy for him to beg off the city’s current failures. But it was his orchestration of a casino-industry bubble — flouting local regulation, building the Taj with $700 million in junk bonds at 14 percent interest, defaults, bankruptcies — that got the city into this mess. It didn’t seem to hurt Trump, though; his losses in Atlantic City probably contributed to the $916 million he reportedly wrote off as a loss on his taxes in 1995, which could have offset millions of dollars in income in future years.

    He can rationalize anything.


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    debbie says:


    They sure worked back before the balls got so heavy. //

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    J R in WV says:


    I’m thinking Deep state fascist movement hidden deep in the Catholic church of Italy, mostly. Been around a v long time now… IIRC and all that…

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    Another Scott says:

    @chris: The French Wikipedia Page has a lot – maybe run it through Google Translate?



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    sdhays says:

    @Mary G: John Kelly’s a monster, but he was able to bring a level of discipline to the White House that I didn’t think possible (still a very low bar). When Kelly came on board, PP was flailing and his administration seemed like it was spinning out of control. That stopped when Kelly took over as CoS. I don’t think they would have been able to get an Obamacare repeal bill through the House without Kelly, and I think there’s a decent chance that the tax bill would have failed too with a different CoS.

    In return, Trump isn’t speaking to him and is saying he’s been fired, apparently before even lining up his replacement. And I’ll bet PP can’t imagine why no one competent or even “well-known in competent circles” wants to be anywhere near that thankless job.

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    chris says:

    @chris: rightwingwatch comes through.

    They sound nice.

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    sdhays says:

    @James E Powell: I had forgotten about that disgusting performance. You’re absolutely right.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @debbie: As long as it’s not distracted by having an eel up its nose or something.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Another Scott:
    From that wiki page:

    The association

    It is chaired by Fabrice Sorlin, former candidate of the National Front in the 7th district of the Gironde in the 2007 elections. According to Fabrice Sorlin, quoted by the world journalists Abel Mestre and Caroline Monnot, the association Dies Irae proposes “actions training courses, sports classes and coffee and cake distributions for the poor of the city “.

    The France 2 survey

    The association was particularly mediatized by the report “To the extreme right of the Father”, broadcast on France 2 as part of the investigative magazine Les Infiltrés, on April 27, 2010. According to the report, the primary motivation of Dies Iræ is to create traditionalist nationalist and Catholic groups throughout France to destabilize “modern democracy”.The Bordeaux association is presented as working to create autonomous militias under the supervision of a former soldier, based in particular on William Luther Pierce’s Carnets de Turner. According to the emission of France 2 and the site Rue89, Dies Irae would be supported by the traditionalist abbot Philippe Laguérie, superior of the Institute of the Good Shepherd, and officiating at the Saint-Éloi church of Bordeaux since the transfer of this church at the Institute by the City Hall of Bordeaux in 2002 ,.

    Dies Iræ, but also the Minute newspaper and various far-right sites (Catholic or not) strongly criticized the report the days before its broadcast, denouncing manipulation and misleading editing, and tried to prevent its dissemination, .

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    debbie says:

    @Another Scott:

    He doesn’t give up. He shits on his debts, then moves on to start all over again.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    Thanks. Reading that reminded me that even without Putin, Russia is full of awful human beings who support destroying the rights of those they hate.

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    Mary G says:

    Now Twitler is floating Mark Meadows for COS. He is probably just stupid enough to accept.

    Meanwhile, in competent and honest land:

    .@AdamSchiff on the Russia Investigation: My takeaway is there's a very real prospect that on the day Donald Trump leaves office the justice department may indict him. That he may be the first president in quite some time to face the real prospect of jail time.— Face The Nation (@FaceTheNation) December 9, 2018

    🎵 to my ears!

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    Schlemazel says:

    FWIW BuzzFeed is reporting that The very Reverend Jerry Falwell Jr. Had a 3way with his wife and a 21 year old pool boy. That Cohen has evidence and blackmailed the endorsement of Dump out of the clown

    My Schadenfreude is about to meltdown from overload

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    chris says:

    @chris: @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷: And Another Scott. Thank you both. The RWW link leads to a story which ties US evangelicals to Russia. Interesting, no? I’d forgotten about the homophobic connections.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @trollhattan: Wrath of God, Day of Judgment. I can’t find a thing on a political movement by that name. It is musical, a hymn going back many centuries and is usually one of the movements in a Requiem.

    And that’s probably a lot more than you cared to know.

    I’ve been lucky enough to sing the Brahms Requiem which I believe does not contain that movement and avoids a lot of the standard religious content.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @efgoldman: I am so happy for you. I hope you stay well for a very long time.

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    Mai Naem mobile says:

    Anybody see this story.
    You can’t make this shit up. This whole Trumpov election story is like some stereotypical crazy over the top Hollywood script. Pool boy and a RW evangelical. I’m wondering if Franklin Graham has a Grinder account that he is being blackmailed on.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    That image of Don Jr. printing out emails to shred is so funny that I coughed up most of a lung.

    I heard earlier today (on MSNBC, I think?) that DJTJr is actually somewhere in the wilds of Canada on a hiding hunting trip.

    Which is almost as funny.

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    Mai Naem mobile says:

    I watched a little Fox and Friends yesterday and today. They were busy talking about Comey and his leaked testimony. I think if Fox and Friends had been around during Jeffrey Dahmers story they would be talking about the neighbors complaining about the smell of barbeque instead of all the chopped up body parts found in Dahmers freezer.

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    Mai Naem mobile says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: more like Traitor Tot was checking out the Canadian Russian border for some future, ahem, investment project.

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    cynthia ackerman says:


    My money is on Hannity.

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    The Dangerman says:

    @Another Scott:

    “You, and Pence, resign and give up your control of the Trump Organization, etc., etc. You pay a $100M fine and sign a confession. And we’ll settle for no jail time for you or your kids. What do you say?”

    Well, that’s a bit of a variation (and better thought out) on what I was thinking this morning; I think Trump and the Republicans have been dealt a shit hand (other than the fact that they won, but let’s get beyond that because to win, there were laws broken from here to there and all sorts of dirty little secrets, including the NRA shit, are coming out). They can end up with a President Paul Ryan or end up with a President Pelosi; this assumes Pence is dirty and I think that’s a reasonable assumption at this point.

    Now, I don’t think Donnie has 100M to spare (that’s kinda how we got into this mess). He’s too cheap anyway. Now, given he’s a greedy fuck, if he was offered 100M, no jail time, his Family walks, and he keeps Trump Company, he might resign and get Pence to take the same deal. There would have to be allocution because everyone NOT named Trump (or Pence, I guess) needs to end up in prison. We’d have to have some rollback (Gorsuch and Kavenaugh would have to go)…

    …or he can blow up the world with one helluva Wag the Dog. Who knows?

    Yeah, I’m dreaming, but Donnie has to know his balls are apparently in a vise. He’s now an unindicted co-conspirator. His Hail May of firing Sessions didn’t play out how he expected. Unless he can make the fall guy Pence completely, stay healthy enough to prevent a President Pelosi (because there is not a living soul that the House and the Senate can agree on to replace Pence) and hope to win again in 2020 …

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    Mary G says:

    @Schlemazel: @Mai Naem mobile: I may be failing in reading comprehension, but the article doesn’t seem to say there was a 3-way unless you’re counting “developed a friendly relationship with” as that.

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    Suzanne says:


    FWIW BuzzFeed is reporting that The very Reverend Jerry Falwell Jr. Had a 3way with his wife and a 21 year old pool boy. That Cohen has evidence and blackmailed the endorsement of Dump out of the clown

    I’m not a good enough person for this to be true.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Mr Stagger Lee:

    Nick Ayers is smart in saying fcuk that to the job of COS. I suspect he has own grifting to make sweet lucre, without the stench of Trump.

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see him run for office in Georgia. Maybe state house or senate in 2020, and then Isakson’s US Senate seat in 2022.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    What a treat for all of you!

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    sdhays says:

    @Suzanne: They made a 21 year old pool attendant a partner in a $4.65m property. I think it’s fair to say that there’s a story there, and it doesn’t involve bonding over how much Jesus hates gay people.

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    sukabi says:

    @Mary G: read that last night, I think folks are assuming that’s the case, because what legit business would Graham and his wife have with a 20 yo Hispanic man that involved a hostel….only to have Michael Cohen swoop into the arrangement and miraculously Graham endorses drumpf.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Mike J:

    I’ve never met my randkids. I assume they’re just spread randomly around the planet. Better than having Randkids though.

    Little Golden Books: Atlas Wiggles His Shoulders

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    mapaghimagsik says:

    @germy: we are all invader Zim now.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    They are cute and smart face-eaters, what’s not to like.

    Leopard wannabes.

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