Imagine Loving Trump More Than Your Wife

Or fearing Putin and polonium:

Paul Manafort’s efforts to make sure his wife could continue living in the couple’s Palm Beach Gardens home should he go to prison fizzled after special counsel Robert Mueller III filed court papers last week asking a judge to throw out the deal because Manafort lied.

The special counsel in the Russia investigation in November accused Manafort, President Donald Trump’s former campaign chairman, of violating his plea agreement by repeatedly lying to federal investigators, according to court records filed by the special counsel’s office last week. One of Manafort’s lawyers is also suspected of briefing Trump’s lawyers on his client’s discussions with federal investigators, according to the New York Times.

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With that promise, Manafort went a step further to protect his wife’s interest and took his name off the deed on Oct. 30 — leaving her the sole owner of the homesteaded residence.

But that move and the homestead exemption now may not be enough to keep prosecutors from seizing the home, experts say. Although Florida has some of the strongest safeguards for homeowners, property — including those with homesteads — can be seized if the government can prove it was purchased with the proceeds of a crime.

“If the government can show the property was purchased from illegal activity, then the government can go against the property,” said attorney Frank Rubino, a Miami, criminal defense lawyer who specializes in federal white-collar cases. “The homestead (exemption) is not protection.”

These people are sick.






105 replies
  1. 1
    debit says:

    What do you expect? Manafort forced her to participate in gang bangs so he could get off. He doesn’t give a crap about her and never did.

  2. 2
    balconesfault says:

    It is possible that the threat includes not just violence against himself … but against his wife and family as well.

    Manafort was owing big bucks to some really bad people. And knowing Trump’s venality, their location under witness protection would end up being on Twitter.

  3. 3
    The Moar You Know says:

    He’s gonna die. His whole fucking family, too. The Russians simply can’t afford to let him keep walking around, and his last service to Vladmir Putin will be that of a warning to Trump of what’s gonna happen to him if he comes clean.

  4. 4
    scav says:

    I have this sudden urge to mutter “Merry Christmas! Tough on Crime!” Civil forfeiture suddenly isn’t just for those other people – How Unfair! the shriek no doubt will be tweeted!

  5. 5
    Platonailedit says:

    Happy holidays, punks. Enjoy your slammer time.

  6. 6

    Also can we please dispense with the fiction, that before the current Russian proxy in the WH, Rs were noble. They were not. Case in point the same science denialism that we see about climate change today was alive and well during Reagan and Bush I administrations, so beloved by our prestigious Republican media (I mean PBS, NPR and NYT). Also the same indifference to actual human suffering. They have been rotten and driven by profits/money over everything else for a fucking long time.

  7. 7
    Vhh says:

    This is what i hold against the Never Trumpers like Max Boot (who used to extol the virtues of Small Wars).

  8. 8
    Stuart Frasier says:

    @debit:
    I thought that was Roger Stone?

  9. 9
    debit says:

    @Stuart Frasier: Someone hacked Manafort’s daughter’s phone and got transcripts of texts between her and her sister. You can google it. I read them and wish I hadn’t .

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    Betty Cracker says:

    I read somewhere a while back that one of Manafort’s daughters changed her name to avoid the shame of being associated with her loathsome father. That’s my wish for Trump’s descendants — that his grandchildren, great-grandchildren, etc., change their names because “Trump” has become synonymous with “lying orange traitor.”

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @debit: She’s still with him so no sympathy. Plus, isn’t she an attorney? She appears to be an intelligent woman. Perhaps she was fine with the gang bangs. Who knows?

  12. 12
    NotMax says:

    Rs consider anything which (a) assigns them guilt and especially (b) relieves them of any wealth to be cruel and unusual punishment.

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    debit says:

    @Patricia Kayden: She wasn’t fine with it and told her daughters that he made it a condition of their marriage continuing. And that’s unfair of you. Women who have been subjected to sustained emotional abuse often feel they have no option but to stay with their abuser. She’s a victim.

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    Stuart Frasier says:

    @debit:
    Yeesh. I recall it was Jack Ryan’s desire for the same sort of kink that lead to him dropping put of the Senate race against Obama in 2004.

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    geg6 says:

    @Stuart Frasier:

    Manafort is not who you are thinking of. Manafort did terrible things to his wife, according to their daughters. I think you are thinking of Roger Stone.

    I believe the story on Stone is that he and his wife are swingers, so I believe she is a willing participant. But that may well be another one of his lies. Who the hell knows?

    As for Mrs. Manafort, I have trouble having sympathy. She has stuck with him through it all and even now, when it would be easy to dump his traitorous ass. I’m sorry she married such a disgusting creature, but she has chosen to stay with him. She will have to suffer for his sins.

  17. 17

    Fear of a polonium planet (to misquote Public Enemy).

  18. 18
    CliosFanboy says:

    @balconesfault: their location under witness protection would end up being on Twitter.

    that’s crazy talk…

    it’s an Instagram post if I ever saw one…

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    debit says:

    @Stuart Frasier: I’m a firm believer in YKINMKATO (your kink is not my kink and that’s okay) as long as all parties are adult and consensual.

  20. 20
    CliosFanboy says:

    @Stuart Frasier: there were multiple reasons. I believe that was #7 of 9.

  21. 21
    trollhattan says:

    @CliosFanboy:
    All the cool kids know it’s Snapchat or go home.

  22. 22
    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @geg6: “As for Mrs. Manafort, I have trouble having sympathy.” Don’t know enough of the particulars in this case but I have known a number of women who stayed in truly horrific relationships because they felt they had no choice.

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    Barbara says:

    @Patricia Kayden: @geg6: My understanding is that Mrs. Manafort sustained a serious brain injury, with her ability to function on her own apparently compromised. It would probably be better to give her the benefit of the doubt as to why she stayed with her husband.

  24. 24
    Humdog says:

    I believe Mrs. Manafort suffered a serious brain injury and is not at full mental capacity. Save the venom for the perpetrators, please.
    ETA, Barbara got there first

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    TenguPhule says:

    @balconesfault:

    It is possible that the threat includes not just violence against himself … but against his wife and family as well.

    Manafort, like Trump, will run over as many people as needed to avoid personally paying any price. Family are not excluded.

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    trollhattan says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    Stockholm syndrome and all that.

    The breadth and depth of the administration’s and general Republican corruption is too vast to comprehend, which I suppose is to their advantage. It’s like a caper script development gone feral.

    “Nobody will believe that.”

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @CliosFanboy: Golf clap.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Also can we please dispense with the fiction, that before the current Russian proxy in the WH, Rs were noble.

    How long have you been here? This is preaching to the choir. The only arguments are whether the original sin was not nailing Nixon for treason or Reagan.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    That’s my wish for Trump’s descendants — that his grandchildren, great-grandchildren, etc., change their names because “Trump” has become synonymous with “lying orange traitor.”

    Mandatory sterilization and they spend the rest of their lives in a monastery. Let Trump’s genetic legacy go extinct.

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    Stuart Frasier says:

    @debit:
    I’m in 100% agreement. I think lack of consent was the issue with Jack Ryan. It’s weird to think that may have led, in a roundabout way, to Obama’s election.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Don’t know enough of the particulars in this case but I have known a number of women who stayed in truly horrific relationships because they felt they had no choice.

    In this particular case, if Mrs. Manafort wants to go the full “for better or worse” then we might as well consider her actions voluntary suicide.

  32. 32
    trollhattan says:

    @TenguPhule:
    Maybe they can change it back to the original Drumpf.

  33. 33
    TenguPhule says:

    @CliosFanboy: It was. What kind of sick excuse for a human being does a guy have to be to consider cheating on 7 of 9?

  34. 34
    NotMax says:

    @TenguPhule

    Boy, you must really, really hate monks.

    :)

    Maybe consider turning it down to 11?

  35. 35
    trollhattan says:

    @Stuart Frasier:
    Yup. Seven of Nine gave us President Obama, which gives us two reasons to love her.

    And wow, Illinois politics are weird.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @trollhattan:

    The breadth and depth of the administration’s and general Republican corruption is too vast to comprehend, which I suppose is to their advantage. It’s like a caper script development gone feral.

    “Nobody will believe that.”

    We are all Matilda now.

  37. 37
    Aleta says:

    julie k. brown @jkbjournalist
    ·Dramatic settlement in #JeffreyEpstein civil trial in Palm Beach; victims now focus on federal case to invalidate his sweetheart plea deal.

    Miami Herald @MiamiHerald
    A trial that could have allowed the victims of serial sex abuser #JeffreyEpstein to finally tell their stories from a witness stand was aborted Tuesday when it was announced in court that the case had been settled.

    julie k. brown @jkbjournalist
    The civil case pitted Epstein against Edwards — with Edwards accusing Epstein of malicious prosecution in retaliation for his aggressive representation of Epstein’s teenage victims. Epstein issued a written apology to Edwards in Palm Beach court.

    julie k. brown @jkbjournalist
    ·Victims of Jeffrey Epstein now want to tell their stories in federal court, following settlement of state court civil trial.

    Mimi Rocah @Mimirocah1
    Federal child sex trafficking laws are very stringent with mandatory minimums of 5, 10, 15 yrs common in cases with many fewer victims. A 13 month sentence doesn’t just happen. Acosta & Dershowitz need to explain now.⁦ ⁦ @JusticeOIG

    Mimi Rocah @Mimirocah1
    I worked on many child sex trafficking cases as a Fed Prosecutor. Epstein ran a child sex trafficking ring. We vigorously pursued these cases & gave breaks only in rare cases, with victim consult. Why wasn’t that done here? Congress should demand @JusticeOIG find out.

    julie k. brown @jkbjournalist
    Brad Edwards, attorney who represents victims of sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, announces more victims now willing to go public for next court case.

    That case, in federal court, seeks in invalidate Epstein’s plea deal, and send him to prison.

    [The story by Julie Brown at Miami Herald: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article222597265.html ]

    A trial that could have allowed the victims of serial molester Jeffrey Epstein to finally tell their stories from a witness stand was aborted Tuesday when it was announced in court that the case had been settled.

    It ended with an apology — not to the dozens of women who were sexually abused by Epstein as underage girls, but to the lawyer who represented them. There is also a monetary settlement, which is undisclosed.

    The lawyer who took Epstein to court, Bradley Edwards, said he remains determined to give the women, now in their late 20s and early 30s, their day in court. That opportunity could come in separate litigation that seeks to undo a controversial non-prosecution agreement that was negotiated in secret 10 years ago.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @trollhattan: That can play a part, but for many it is a feeling that they are trapped, that there is no way out and if there is a way out it involves giving up everything, up to and including their children. I knew one such woman who did give up her children. Then when she felt her situation was secure enough that she could take her children in, her husband killed her.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @NotMax:

    Maybe consider turning it down to 11?

    Look, its not an immediate execution. Give me a little credit, I’m trying to compromise here.

  40. 40
    Ohio Mom says:

    At the moment I am mildly irritated at a couple of people in my life but hearing about Manafort and his family puts it all in perspective.

    I only know annoying people who commit the occasional selfish act, not anyone who is out and out evil.

  41. 41

    @TenguPhule: It was an expression of disgust with the media over their Bush I hagiographies and not directed at BJers. I have been commenting here for close to 10 years since Obama got elected the first time. I lurked for about a year before that.

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    MattF says:

    Just bear in mind that Manafort was not merely pals with Roger Stone– Manafort & Stone were partners a DC consulting business. It’s so sleazy and amoral that it is hard to process.

    Manafort is sleaze and amorality personified, and his sleaziness is his stock in trade. That’s where we are.

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    patrick II says:

    @Stuart Frasier:
    Ms. Ryan refused. That’s (at least in part) what led to their divorce.

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    Brachiator says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    He’s gonna die. His whole fucking family, too. The Russians simply can’t afford to let him keep walking around,

    They’ll be fine. Putin is not so stupid as to okay such a high profile hit.

    Manafort is fortunate that the Saudi’s are not involved.

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    CliosFanboy says:

    @Gin & Tonic: (polite golf bow)

  46. 46
    NotMax says:

    @schrodingers_cat

    A victim (and survivor) of the FYWP War on Apostrophes.

    ;)

  47. 47
    MattF says:

    And, btw, Jeffrey Dahmer’s parents changed their surname, but Jeffrey’s brother didn’t– so changing your name is a pretty big deal.

  48. 48
    jl says:

    Indirectly semi on topic:

    Man, 69, loses legal battle against temporal reality in effort to become 49
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/12/03/man-loses-legal-battle-against-temporal-reality-effort-become/?utm_term=.5a3fd09ef322

    Jack Benny, far ahead of his era, went for 39, and got it, for the rest f his life.
    So, for Manafort and Trump, their efforts to un-F themselves are just as plausible as this guy’s. They are not Jack Benny. But then Jack Benny, as far as we know, did do something with his life besides commit felonies. So, there is a difference.

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    MattF says:

    @jl: Still, beating the ‘one year per year’ rule is tough.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Barbara: Kathleen Manafort attended every day of her husband’s trial, sometimes in the company of her son-in-law, sometimes alone. She gave no indication of diminished capacity. Yes, she suffered an injury 20 years ago, but she’s taken what seems like a normal role as a domestic partner since then. Obviously I’m judging from a distance, so there’s that, but I’m not inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt at this point.

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @CliosFanboy: WELL PLAYED.

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    Mandalay says:

    Michael Avenatti drops out of 2020 presidential race after family begs him not to run

    – Getting caught slapping a woman around to show who is the boss had nothing to do with it.

    – The fact that he directly acted against the wishes of his client Stormy Daniels has nothing to do with it.

    – The fact that his law firm was evicted after failing to pay over $200k in rent has nothing to do with it.

    He’s not running because at heart he’s a family man.

  53. 53
    NotMax says:

    @jl – @MattF

    Cue da music: Time Is.

    ;)

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Brachiator:

    Putin is not so stupid as to okay such a high profile hit.

    I’m sorry are we talking about the same Putin who tried to pull off a high profile hit with a NERVE AGENT in England just 6 months ago?

  55. 55
    Barbara says:

    @Gin & Tonic: I don’t know her so I can’t say for sure what her capacity is, nor can you. I have a close friend who worked for years with people who sustained head injuries. They look normal but they are significantly diminished. Once again, my misogyny tentacles go up — how many people put forth the notion that Hillary Clinton was a fake feminist because she didn’t get a divorce? Oh sure, Kathleen Manafort benefited from her husband’s crimes, there is no doubt, but to rain venom on her for what he did is a bridge too far in my opinion. Why not castigate the son in law for attending the trial? Did he not benefit as well? And by the way, I have limited sympathy for her because there are other people who deserve sympathy way more — but not giving sympathy isn’t the same as singling out for criticism.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Mandalay:

    – Getting caught slapping a woman around to show who is the boss had nothing to do with it.

    – The fact that he directly acted against the wishes of his client Stormy Daniels has nothing to do with it.

    – The fact that his law firm was evicted after failing to pay over $200k in rent has nothing to do with it.

    To be fair, none of this stopped Trump, either.

  57. 57
    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Mandalay: I think I’m going to follow Michael’s lead and drop out of the race to be the next Pope.

    I’d rather spend more time with my family. The fact that I’m completely unqualified and have zero chance of winning has nothing at all to do with it.

  58. 58
    Platonailedit says:

    @Brachiator: Circumspection and prudence are not putin’s strong suits.

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    M31 says:

    Avenatti is now the frontrunner for the GOP nomination

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    SC54HI says:

    @Aleta:
    Thanks for posting on this gobsmacking update. Would REALLY like to know what are the implications, if any, for the suit in Federal court that seeks overturn Epstein’s prior conviction and sentencing agreement.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Barbara: I did not single her out for criticism; I just said I’m not giving her the benefit of the doubt with regard to staying with him for 40 years. And the son-in-law is facing pretty substantial criminal exposure in NY based on some really dodgy real-estate business, so his time will come.

    I admit I cannot be objective about Manafort, and never even try. I knew who and what he was years ago.

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    debit says:

    @Barbara:

    And by the way, I have limited sympathy for her because there are other people who deserve sympathy way more — but not giving sympathy isn’t the same as singling out for criticism.

    Well said.

    I don’t want to keep harping on it, but she was obviously not in a healthy marriage and he was a world class manipulator. I didn’t have a brain injury but stayed with an emotionally abusive spouse for years because I truly believed several things: That there was no escape. That I would lose my kids (he made far more money than I did and was connected to powerful people). That I was worthless and deserved it. That maybe if I tried harder things would get better. That everything was my fault. Obviously I am no longer with him, and am okay, but it wasn’t easy getting here and I couldn’t do it on my own.

    I don’t know Mrs Manafort’s particulars, but I am inclined to give her some sympathy and cut her some slack.

  63. 63
    rikyrah says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    He’s gonna die. His whole fucking family, too.

    Whew….damn….

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    PJ says:

    @Barbara: If you know that your spouse has engaged in unethical and probably criminal activity for decades, and you have enjoyed the lucre that behavior earned, do you bear no responsibility for supporting that person, or, at the very least, for sharing in the spoils?

    I understand that relationships and families are complicated. But while people like Manafort’s wife, and Melania Trump, have perhaps not committed the same crimes as their husbands, or any crime at all, should they receive no criticism for continuing to support their spouses morally when the evidence of extensive criminal behavior becomes mountainous?

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    NotMax says:

    @Gin & Tonic

    God save our gracious Mrs. Ethel Shroake of 393A High Street, Leytonstone
    Long live our noble Mrs. Ethel Shroake of 393A High Street, Leytonstone

    From the absurdist post-apocalyptic movie “The Bed Sitting Room.”

    :)

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    Princess says:

    @Mandalay: That’s one less thing to worry about.
    Ain’t gonna be president now.

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    Bruce K says:

    I’m reminded of the story of the last surviving relatives of Adolf Hitler, who changed their names and entered a pact under which none of them would have children, deliberately putting an end to the bloodline.

    (There’s also the story of Hitler’s cousin who flew bombers for the US Army Air Force during World War II, but that’s not quite relevant here.)

  68. 68
    NotMax says:

    @Mandalay

    Aw, and here had the term Avenutties all polished up and waiting in the wings…

    ;)

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    TenguPhule says:

    GIna Haspel is briefing the Senate about the Saudi Murder.

    Tomorrow should be interesting.

  70. 70
    Aleta says:

    @TenguPhule: “Let Trump’s genetic legacy go extinct.”
    See: Texas Land Commissioner George P. Bush to CNN “There’s a time for politics and there’s a time for governing, but there’s also a time for reflection, and this is a time for reflection for our country to think about the values that make our country great”
    and dream on.

  71. 71
    TenguPhule says:

    Biden says he’s ‘the most qualified person in the country’ to be president

    /sigh

    A day ending in WHY GODS WHY.

  72. 72
    TenguPhule says:

    @Aleta:

    See: Texas Land Commissioner George P. Bush to CNN

    Don’t even get me started as to what I want as mandatory for the Bush clan.

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    CliosFanboy says:

    @TenguPhule: very qualified, yes. but desirable? not so much.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @PJ:

    If you know that your spouse has engaged in unethical and probably criminal activity for decades, and you have enjoyed the lucre that behavior earned, do you bear no responsibility for supporting that person, or, at the very least, for sharing in the spoils?

    That could be the wrong dynamic. I stayed in a marriage to a spouse who engaged in several illegal acts (and found out after I finally left that what I knew was only the tip of the iceberg) for the plain and simple reason that leaving meant abandoning my sons to her. That was not an acceptable option.

    The world is not black and white, but sometimes black and white decisions are the only choices we have. I long ago gave up judging people solely by the situations they find themselves in. More often than not, it’s just not that simple.

  75. 75
    CliosFanboy says:

    @Bruce K: did you watch Hill Street Blues? comedian Vic Hitler (aka, Vic the Narcoleptic Comic).

  76. 76
    TenguPhule says:

    Northwest China is covered in ‘yellow snow,’ but don’t blame the dogs

    “Don’t eat the yellow snow” is advice to live by — and that definitely goes for what fell in China this weekend, too.

    Northwest China is covered in a thick coating of yellowish, brownish snow. More than 4 inches of it fell across Urumqi and surrounding cities on Saturday, according to the South China Morning Post.

    Strong winds kicked up a dust storm which combined with a winter storm to create a layered effect in the fallen snow. The snow started out clean and white before the dust moved in. Everything looks like it’s covered in yellow, but videos show if you brush away the top layer, pure white snow is underneath. Locals are comparing the effect to tiramisu.

  77. 77
    NotMax says:

    @Aleta

    Pet peeve:

    There is no George P. Bush. He is George P. G. Bush, his second (and Hispanic) middle name suddenly vanishing (and scrubbed from the majority of the web) practically on the same day he announced he was running for Land Commissioner.

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    Mandalay says:

    @TenguPhule:

    To be fair, none of this stopped Trump, either.

    A fair point. Avenatti even has Trumpian levels of spite and bitterness:

    “I remain concerned that the Democratic Party will move toward nominating an individual who might make an exceptional president but has no chance of actually beating Donald Trump,” he said. “The party must immediately recognize that many of the likely candidates are not battle-tested and have no real chance at winning. We will not prevail in 2020 without a fighter.”

    Aventatti wasn’t content to hop into bed with the Democratic Party and fuck it. As he was leaving he decided he’d take a dump in their bed as well, just for giggles.

    I hope someone prominent has the balls to tell Avenatti that he is not welcome in the Democratic Party until he improves his personal conduct.

  79. 79
    TenguPhule says:

    “President Xi and I want this deal to happen, and it probably will,” Trump wrote. “But if not remember, I am a Tariff man. When people or countries come in to raid the great wealth of our Nation, I want them to pay for the privilege of doing so. It will always be the best way to max out our economic power.”

    I see the Saudis have given Trump the idea for yet another new business model.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @CliosFanboy: I would quibble over most qualified.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Mandalay:

    I hope someone prominent has the balls to tell Avenatti that he is not welcome in the Democratic Party until he improves his personal conduct.

    Or one of the leading women gives him a pointed kick to the groin.

  82. 82
    TenguPhule says:

    Dow drops 500 points over realization that Trump lied about a China deal.

    Wheeeee!

  83. 83
    FelonyGovt says:

    @TenguPhule: I think Uncle Joe is confusing the affection people had for his bromance with Pres. Obama, with anyone actually wanting him to be President. He would be exactly the wrong nominee.

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    debit says:

    @FelonyGovt: Why is he the wrong nominee? I’d vote for him.

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    Barbara says:

    @PJ: In general, unless said spouse has done something affirmative to endorse or condone the behavior that you know of, I would mostly keep them out of the crosshairs of my anger. Melania Trump went on tv to endorse her husband’s birther sham — that’s makes her fair game. She is also spending taxpayer money on various jaunts and projects and otherwise representing the nation, all of which make her subject to public scrutiny.

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    CliosFanboy says:

    @TenguPhule: I’d put him in the top half dozen given his experience as Veep. Among those who are not ex_Presidents and under the age of 80 I’d say Hillary, Biden, Kerry, Jerry Brown, and ??? None of them make my 12 for running for the Democratic nomination though…

    Love Biden as a meme and as Obama’s Veep, but he is way too close to the credit card industry for me, and I damn well remember how he screwed over Anita Hill…

    But in 2020 I am voting for the Democrat no matter what. The Party could reanimate the corpse of Grover Cleveland and I’d vote for him over Trump… Hell, dig up Franklin Pierce and I’d vote for him over trump!

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    FelonyGovt says:

    @debit: Oh, I would certainly vote for him in the general election, but I think we need someone younger and more “charismatic”, since the American public seems to be all about personality.

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    NotMax says:

    @Bruce K

    True story Just after WW2, Mom’s sister was working as an editor at one of the major women’s magazines. One day a phone call was patched through to her. On the other end of the line was someone trying to sell a story.

    Fairly quickly the conversation went: “Mm. hm. Mm hm. Tell me, just who are you?”

    Reply: “I’m Adolf Hitler’s sister.”

    As the family lore goes, aunt then said “And I’m the Queen of Sheba” and hung up. When the story appeared much later on in a competing magazine, boy, was her face red.

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    CliosFanboy says:

    @Barbara: I agree. if all they do is stare at him with big googoo eyes like Nancy did Reagan then they’re not a target.

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    debit says:

    @CliosFanboy: I’d vote for the empty chair Eastwood yelled at at the GOP convention.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    She’s still with him so no sympathy. Plus, isn’t she an attorney? She appears to be an intelligent woman. Perhaps she was fine with the gang bangs. Who knows?

    Actually, she suffered a traumatic brain injury in a fall from a horse, and is apparently now unable to make decisions at all. Which means that all those sex acts were technically rape, as she is unable to give meaningful consent to any sex acts.

    She needs a protective order to keep the vile piece of crap her husband turned into away from her.

    Or he could just spend the rest of his life in the slam, which works best for me!

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    PJ says:

    @Barbara: Manafort’s wife signed off on at least of a few of his real estate/mortgage scams. It’s possible that she had no idea, or didn’t want to have any idea, of what they were about, but it’s that kind of willful blindness that enables people to do the bad things they do.

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    Brachiator says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Putin is not so stupid as to okay such a high profile hit.

    I’m sorry are we talking about the same Putin who tried to pull off a high profile hit with a NERVE AGENT in England just 6 months ago?

    What have the British done about it?

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    CliosFanboy says:

    @debit: tanned, rested, and ready! Empty Chair 2020! Support him so he can support you!

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Brachiator:

    What have the British done about it?

    Accused Russia at the UN, which Russia then laughed off. Too much Russian money in the UK.

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    Mandalay says:

    @PJ:

    …it’s that kind of willful blindness…

    I have no dog in the fight, but how can you possibly claim to know that Mrs. Manafort was being willfully blind? Manafort was a con man, so it’s possible that he lied to his wife, and misled her.

    Here’s something that the wife of Victor Madoff – who was in a somewhat similar situation to Mrs. Manafort – said:

    I am breaking my silence now because my reluctance to speak has been interpreted as indifference or lack of sympathy for the victims of my husband Bernie’s crime, which is exactly the opposite of the truth. I am embarrassed and ashamed. Like everyone else, I feel betrayed and confused. The man who committed this horrible fraud is not the man whom I have known for all these years.

    Of course one can argue that Mrs. Madoff was a self serving liar, or being willfully blind. But there is surely a possibility that she was simply telling the truth.

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    trollhattan says:

    @J R in WV:
    If that’s the case any contract she signed following the accident is invalid. Unless Because Florida.

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    debit says:

    @CliosFanboy: Empty Chair 2020: Hold on to your butts!

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    rikyrah says:

    @NotMax:

    Pet peeve:

    There is no George P. Bush. He is George P. G. Bush, his second (and Hispanic) middle name suddenly vanishing (and scrubbed from the majority of the web) practically on the same day he announced he was running for Land Commissioner.

    You were the one who brought this to our attention. I still think it’s ridiculous that he did it. So absolutely pathetic.

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    geg6 says:

    @Barbara:

    I did not know that. If so, he’s an even bigger blob of scum than I thought.

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    geg6 says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    In this case, her children are long grown into adulthood. She doesn’t have that excuse any more. If it’s a brain injury, I’m inclined to cut slack, but there seems to be some dispute about this. Whatever. I really don’t care about these people or what happens to them. If she knew anything at all about what he did for a living and never once did anything to try to stop him, she’s a pretty awful person, too.

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    J R in WV says:

    @geg6:

    Yes, the whole family appears to be scum. They may not all be forcing a family member into sexual slavery, just Paul… he seems to be really a strong supporter of slavery in general, especially in the former USSR, and sexual slavery in his family. Who could have guessed?

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    PST says:

    @Mandalay:

    I hope someone prominent has the balls to tell Avenatti that he is not welcome in the Democratic Party until he improves his personal conduct.

    I think all of the prominent Democrats have been pretending he doesn’t exist, which is better than talking about him or to him. I generally like MSNBC, but Avenatti’s 15 minutes are a sin the network must atone for.

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    debit says:

    @PST: I generally like Lawrence O’Donnell, but, yeah. He has a lot to answer for.

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    PST says:

    @debit: Morning Joe was as bad or worse. And we don’t have to be nice to him.

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