Trump flips on…Trump

As we now know, Michael Cohen lied when he testified before Congress that the Trump Tower Moscow project ended in January 2016. Via The Post:

In a nine-page filing, prosecutors laid out a litany of lies that Cohen admitted he told to congressional lawmakers about the Moscow project — an attempt, Cohen said, to minimize links between the proposed development and Trump as his presidential bid was taking off.

Cohen falsely said efforts to build a Trump-branded tower in Moscow ended in January 2016, when in fact discussions continued through that year, the filing said. Among the people Cohen briefed on the status of the project was Trump himself, on more than three occasions, according to the document.

Cohen now says he pursued the Moscow project until the summer of 2016 and interacted with Putin’s office during that period. Here’s Trump’s response to this development from a short while ago:

Shorter Spanky: “I didn’t do it, but even if I did, it wasn’t wrong.”

I think the paper Trump is referring to in that clip — the document he says proves the deal was out in the open — is the proposal Cohen attached as an exhibit in his appearance before Congress, during which he now admits he lied. So, Trump is trying to create a smokescreen here. Nobody is saying the deal was 100% secret all along; the point is, Trump and Cohen lied about when the project ended.

Why? Because they’re guilty as fuck. A lot of “collusiony” things happened during the late spring and summer of 2016, including Cohen’s discussions with Putin’s assistant about setting up a meeting between Putin and Trump after the RNC, the pro-Russia change to the GOP platform (the sole change the Trump people requested at the RNC), the Trump Tower meeting with the Russians offering dirt, the conversations between Stone, Corsi, an intermediary and Assange, etc.

It looks damning because it IS damning. They’re lying because they’re guilty. And Cohen’s plea document hints that there’s plenty of evidence to corroborate his contacts with the Putin regime and Trump principals that summer.

Trump’s statement above was made as he was boarding Marine One on his way to the G20 summit in Argentina. He was originally scheduled to meet Putin there, but moments ago, Trump claimed he cancelled that meeting to protest Russia’s seizure of Ukrainian ships:

Based on the fact that the ships and sailors have not been returned to Ukraine from Russia, I have decided it would be best for all parties concerned to cancel my previously scheduled meeting in Argentina with President Vladimir Putin. I look forward to a meaningful Summit again as soon as this situation is resolved!

What a load of horse shit — he doesn’t care about the Ukrainian ships any more than he cares about the Saudis’ murder of a US-based journalist who worked for The Post. Trump is afraid of being exposed.

This is a surreal shit-show, friends, and I am so ready for the fucking credits to roll.

282 replies
  1. 1
    Corner Stone says:

    Are we really supposed to believe any of this? I heard from the Paragon of Virtue and Rectitude Himself, Mr. Rudy, that Cohen was a lying liar who lies.

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    jacy says:

    Twitter is saying there is federal raid going on right now at a Chicago law firm that did tax work for Trump for 12 years. Everyone ordered out and the windows papered over. Curiouser and Curiouser.

  3. 3
    rikyrah says:

    And, it’s only Thursday:

    This week alone we are witnessing:

    Trump’s lawyer now confessing to lying about 2016 Russia outreach… as Trump’s campaign chair is accused of lying to prosecutors in Russia probe… as a tipster to Trump adviser Roger Stone confesses to lying about emails that Russia stole.

    — Ari Melber (@AriMelber) November 29, 2018

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    Corner Stone says:

    Vladdy Daddy must’ve told Trump he could have the afternoon off to rest up ahead of the drubbing he’s going to get from meeting with Xi.

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    geg6 says:

    What a perfect day to be alone in the office. All my co-workers are currently holding a program for 250 8th graders and I’m the only one here. I am getting no work done and cackling like a loon. So far, today is a very fun day.

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    Schlemazel says:

    @jacy:
    I owe someone a hat tip but I am too lazy to try to find it on my phone:
    I have not seen this many shoes drop since Riverdance!

    whoever came up with that please step forward and claim your prize

  7. 7
    Gravenstone says:

    Another poster here has suggested supplanting the “tick tock motherfuckers” chorus with the Tell Tale Heart. My question, becomes can we still have Poe’s Law when we’re actually living in the midst of a Poe story?

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    dmsilev says:

    @Corner Stone: You do have to admit that Rudy is an expert on the subject of lying liars who tell lies.

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    MattF says:

    Given that Putin/Trump has been in the news the past few days… it’s not surprising that Trump backed off. Also, Bolton probably made the ‘National Security frowny face’ to persuade Trump about the seriousness of Russia’s recent misbehavior.

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    Mike in DC says:

    This is more like the 12 hour director’s cut extended trilogy edition, with a blooper reel during the credits and 2 post credits scenes.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Schlemazel:

    It was Tony J in the previous thread. Made me laugh as I scrolled through too.

    Tony J
    November 29, 2018 at 9:49 am
    @Patricia Kayden:

    I haven’t heard this many shoes dropping since the last night of Riverdance

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    cope says:

    I too am so ready for the credits to roll and the next shoe to drop and the corner to be turned and the bill to come due and the fat lady to sing. What a wonderful cachophany it will all make when they all finally go crashing to Earth, cursing and crying and gnashing their teeth. This is gonna be GREAT!

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    Juju says:

    @jacy: Holy moly!

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    TenguPhule says:

    This is a surreal shit-show, friends, and I am so ready for the fucking credits to roll.

    This is a horror movie. Its the stinger after the credits you have to worry about.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @rikyrah:

    And, it’s only Thursday:

    One can only imagine what Friday will bring.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @cope:

    What a wonderful cachophany it will all make when they all finally go crashing to Earth, cursing and crying and gnashing their teeth.

    Cacophony of The Kakistocracy. Sounds like a lovely opera Subaru Dianne may have tickets to one day.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Gravenstone:

    can we still have Poe’s Law when we’re actually living in the midst of a Poe story?

    Nevermore.

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    JPL says:

    What is happening?
    Deutsche Bank
    Cohen
    and now @jacy: a law firm…
    Maybe Stone is next.

    This is an article about the law firm https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/ed-burke-fbi-federal-agents-city-hall-council/

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    kindness says:

    Oh Betty, you are a riot! Rolling credits? Now? We have about a dozen Constitutional Crisis’ coming before we get there. Just wait till the Presidential Pardons start raining down. Then is when it is all going to get real. And there is no William Archibald Cox in this Administration to stand up to Trump, refuse his bidding and get fired for it.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Schlemazel: I think that was Tony J(ay?). A very funny fellow.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Mike in DC:

    This is more like the 12 hour director’s cut extended trilogy edition, with a blooper reel during the credits and 2 post credits scenes.

    We could do without the long winded director’s twitter commentary throughout the entire movie though.

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    germy says:

    “So! Here’s the story!”

    Christ, he reminds me of every crooked salesman I’ve ever dealt with.

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    Kay says:

    Congress has to start enforcing their own rules- they have to start punishing the Trump hires who lied to them.

    They really have an interest in protecting the institution they all work for. These people sashay in there and lie to them constantly. Why should anyone ever tell them the truth? You can lie your ass off in there and get a promotion.

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    jacy says:

    I caught the press asking questions on the lawn as Trump was leaving this morning, and he was literally babbling (recognizing that everything Trump says is pretty much babbling). This was extra babbling. You need a bucket brigade for that much flop sweat.

  25. 25

    Anyone who believes Trump isn’t going to find a time to talk secretly with Putin at the G20 meeting needs to talk to my Nigerian friend about an unbelievable business opportunity.

  26. 26
    kimp says:

    “Lordy, I hope there are tapes”…

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Kay:

    They really have an interest in protecting the institution they all work for.

    Republicans have no interest in that though. Which is the main source of the problem. The other one of course is the MADDENING refusal of Democrats to go back and chase after the culprits after the fact. Karl Rove should be rotting for contempt of Congress, but instead he walks free and proud.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    As I’ve said before, this is the most optimistic I’ve been in two years.

    We have been blessed by our enemies: most incompetent traitors ever. It’s hard to get good help these days, eh, Pootie?

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @jacy: witter is saying there is federal raid going on right now at a Chicago law firm that did tax work for Trump for 12 years. Everyone ordered out and the windows papered over. Curiouser and Curiouser.

    New York, Washington, Frankfurt, now Chicago…. Really sounds like Mueller has cried havoc, and let slip the hounds of the law

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    Elizabelle says:

    Chicago Sun-Times has a story up:

    Federal agents showed up unannounced at the City Hall office of Finance Committee Chairman Ed Burke, kicked everyone out and papered over the windows Thursday morning.

    The nature of their visit was not known, but Ald. Burke (14th) has dodged dozens of federal investigations over five decades in Chicago politics.

    Federal agents also showed up to Burke’s ward office and papered over the windows there.

    A spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office declined to comment. Calls to the FBI office in Chicago and the IRS criminal investigations division were not immediately returned.

    A reporter knocked on the office door Thursday morning; the man who answered, who was not a member of Burke’s office staff, had no comment.

    …. Burke has amassed a considerable campaign war chest which could be used for legal expenses.

    In 50 years as ward committeeman and 49 years as alderman of a now-majority Hispanic ward once represented by his father, Burke has survived numerous threats to depose him as chairman of the City Council’s Finance Committee by mayors with whom he subsequently reached political accommodation.

    He has survived federal investigations that threatened to undercut his power base, once even by blaming a dead man for ghost-payrolling irregularities on his committee payroll.

    He’s been in the public spotlight for having taxpayer-funded bodyguards drive him to and from City Hall — and for how quickly city snowplows clear the pavement on his Southwest Side block.

    A Democrat, he’s shrugged off criticism regarding his law firm’s business relationship with one of Republican President Donald Trump’s companies. Burke’s firm, Klafter & Burke, repeatedly has sought to reduce the property taxes that Trump Tower and other commercial properties have to pay — a lucrative business that’s also enriched Illinois House Speaker Michael J. Madigan, D-Chicago.

    Burke also has managed to overcome his own political extremism during the Council Wars power struggle that thwarted then-Mayor Harold Washington’s every move to the point where an entire generation of Chicagoans doesn’t even remember the old Ed Burke.

    Hereditary politico. More than passing resemblance to Dick Cheney.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Roger Moore:

    Anyone who believes Trump isn’t going to find a time to talk secretly with Putin at the G20 meeting needs to talk to my Nigerian friend about an unbelievable business opportunity.

    Anyone who thinks Trump will manage to keep it a secret needs to be kept away from sharp objects.

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    The Dangerman says:

    Argentina have extradition? Asking for a friend.

  33. 33
    jacy says:

    Melania, Jared, and Ivanka are on the plane with Trump. Is it time to ask if we have and extradition treaty with Argentina?

    edited to add: Damn it, The Dangerman.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yeah. And on the day the “elites” are heading to the G20. LOL.

    I have been happy all day since I heard about the Frankfurt Deutsche Bank raid. Bring it on. Panama Papers is just the appetizer.

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    JPL says:

    @jacy: Trump must wonder what else Michael Cohen told the feds. I wonder if trump is wearing his depends.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @The Dangerman:

    Argentina have extradition?

    Why yes, yes it does.

    ETA: And Saudi Arabia doesn’t. Good ally my ass.

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    feebog says:

    @Mike in DC:

    This is more like the 12 hour director’s cut extended trilogy edition, with a blooper reel during the credits and 2 post credits scenes.

    More like a blooper reel that never ends.

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    Kay says:

    They’re all so greedy. They’re career criminals who got away with it for decades- whole careers- but that wasn’t enough. They had to run the country. Horrible low quality people who aren’t very talented but all were making a lot of money and they couldn’t just leave the public sector to other people and stay under their rocks- they had to force themselves on us all.

    Donald Trump could have spent the rest of his life running his gross sleazy empire and bellowing a bunch of bullshit and he would always have gotten tons of media coverage, because they fucking love him. But that wasn’t enough. They had to grab the whole thing.

    “Punishment”, per se, doesn’t do that much for me. I want them if prison if they’re convicted because anyone else would be, but what I’d really like is for them to be poor. To have to live in some crap house and get a job and survive without all the shit that they were handed.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Hereditary politico. More than passing resemblance to Dick Cheney.

    Are small children known to disappear mysteriously in his vicinity?

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    oatler. says:

    It’s kind of like the There was an old woman who swallowed a fly song.

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    Mandalay says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Trump is afraid of being exposed.

    Not following that. I think it’s more the case that he simply doesn’t have the stones to criticize Putin to his face over Ukraine, and he would have canceled the meeting with Putin regardless of what Cohen said once Putin raised the stakes in Ukraine.

    The focus is generally on Trump being a liar and corrupt, but despite all his bluster Trump is also a very weak president.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Kay:

    but what I’d really like is for them to be poor. To have to live in some crap house and get a job and survive without all the shit that they were handed.

    Problem is that these are the kind of people who don’t stay poor because they will do whatever it takes to claw their way back into power. Whatever it takes.

  43. 43
    trollhattan says:

    President Stupid Nixon is worse than President Nixon 1.0. This is suboptimal.

  44. 44
    p.a. says:

    Saw two great bumper stickers yesterday:

    Elect a clown, expect a circus
    and
    1 out of 3 Trump voters
    are as stupid as the other 2

  45. 45
    A Ghost To Most says:

    @germy:

    She’s a beaute, yes sir she is” said EZ DAN, fifty five, a bad age,
    .
    .
    .
    It certainly wasn’t the car of my dreams, but the price was right
    And EZ DAN assured me the mid 70’s were a particularly nice period
    For Chrysler products in general
    “and this one is a Volare'”
    And besides, finally having an eight-track means I can play
    All them tapes I ain’t been able to listen to since high-school

    So we stuffed EZ DAN’s body in the trunk and hauled ass out of town
    But somewhere just past the middle of nowhere the fuel pump blew
    And the oil pump too, and the piston rods hurled straight through the engine block
    Dropping oil, gasoline, water, and anti-freeze onto the Alabama red clay below
    Ain’t that a bitch?
    I ain’t never been lucky with love

  46. 46
    The Ancient Randonneur says:

    Lot of action since Donnie Dollhands turned in his open book exam to Mueller.

  47. 47
    jacy says:

    @Mandalay:

    Grassley already out there spewing, “Of course Trump didn’t collude with Russia! Look how he cancelled the meeting with Putin! No one is as tough on Russia as Mr. Trump!” Love the smell of widespread panic in the mid-morning.

  48. 48
    Yarrow says:

    It’s all starting to happen now and as I’ve been saying, when it happens a lot will happen fast. I expect the big stuff won’t happen until Nancy is safely in the Speaker’s chair but there’s plenty to make it interesting between now and then.

  49. 49
    Boris, Rasputin's Evil Twin says:

    @TenguPhule: I’m so old, I recall when “Contempt of Congress” was a serious offense, not the common state of mind.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Just saw a clip of the Beast and the First Courtesan walking up the stairs to AF-1, their arms around each other, and he gave her a peck on the cheek. He usually doesn’t even pause to let her go up first.

    @p.a.:

    1 out of 3 Trump voters
    are as stupid as the other 2

    I love that

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @jacy:
    https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/ed-burke-fbi-federal-agents-city-hall-council/

    Federal agents showed up unannounced at the City Hall office of Finance Committee Chairman Ed Burke, kicked everyone out and papered over the windows Thursday morning.

    The nature of their visit was not known, but Ald. Burke (14th) has dodged dozens of federal investigations over five decades in Chicago politics.

    Federal agents also showed up to Burke’s ward office and papered over the windows there.

    A spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office declined to comment. Calls to the FBI office in Chicago and the IRS criminal investigations division were not immediately returned.

    A reporter knocked on the City Hall office door Thursday morning; the man who answered, who was not a member of Burke’s office staff, had no comment.

    Burke, a Democrat, has been targeted for defeat by Congressman-elect Jesus “Chuy” Garcia because of his property-tax appeal work on the riverfront tower that bears the name of President Donald Trump.

    Garcia, a former alderman and departing member of the Cook County Board of Commissioners, said Burke’s work for Trump was disrespectful to his Hispanic constituents, who are now a majority in his ward.

    “The fact that he has been Trump’s lawyer on reducing his property taxes and has been part of the property tax system in Chicago that has affected working people more than anybody else in a regressive manner are issues that have to be taken into account,” Garcia said earlier this year.

    “It was highly offensive to the community,” Garcia added at the time. “Anyone who isn’t representing the community’s interests should be worried.”

    Much more at the link. And here’s more detailed reporting on this guy’s relationship with the President:
    https://chicago.suntimes.com/business/the-donald-and-the-alderman-break-up-burke-no-longer-doing-tax-work-for-trump/

    ByTim Novak @tnovaksuntimes | email
    “Irreconcilable differences” have led to countless divorces. Now, the same reason is being given for the breakup of President Donald Trump and Ald. Edward M. Burke (14th).

    06/09/2018, 12:23pm
    The Donald and The Alderman break up; Burke no longer doing tax work for Trump
    The powerful Chicago alderman’s small law firm had worked for Trump for 12 years, persuading Cook County officials to cut the property taxes on the president’s namesake downtown skyscraper by a total of more than $14 million.

    But Burke announced his breakup with Trump in letters filed last month with the Cook County courts and the Illinois State Property Tax Appeal Board. He wrote that “irreconcilable differences” have led his firm to stop representing Trump’s company and step aside in five current cases that seek refunds of millions of dollars in property taxes the president’s company has paid.

    Those letters came two months after the alderman’s brother, state Rep. Dan Burke, narrowly lost a Democratic primary battle amid Hispanic voters’ outrage that the alderman was doing work for a president who wants to build a wall to thwart illegal immigration from Mexico.

    In next February’s city election, Ed Burke, the city’s longest-serving alderman, is seeking another term representing his Southwest Side ward, where an overwhelming majority of the residents are Hispanic, primarily Mexican Americans.

    The alderman has been criticized over his relationship with the president by former mayoral candidate Jesus “Chuy” Garcia, who’s now running for Congress.

    “Donald Trump began his campaign for the presidency attacking the Mexican-American community,” Garcia said in a Chicago Sun-Times interview in April. “The fact that he has been Trump’s lawyer on reducing his property taxes and has been part of the property tax system in Chicago that has affected working people more than anybody else in a regressive manner are issues that have to be taken into account. It was highly offensive to the community. Anyone who isn’t representing the community’s interests should be worried.

    Also more at the link.

  52. 52
    Schlemazel says:

    THANK YOU, @Elizabelle:

    and Hat tip to Tony J
    I intend to get some twitter mileage out of that one

  53. 53
    Elizabelle says:

    @Kay: I want that for Trump and his circle too.

    Perp walk. Orange jumpsuit. Booking photos where his hair looks as nonexistent as Phil Spector’s. Public humiliation and being ruined financially, Trump, Ivanka, Jared, the nitwit sons. All of them. Down, down, down.

    Make it hurt so bad that no one tries this again.

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    CarolDuhart2 says:

    Don’t forget what’s coming up on the side: Jeffrey Epstein. There are some people who never got their day in court, and if Epstein would rather not spend the rest of his natural life in jail, Trump gets nailed on that too. And these are state charges, so no pardon there.

    A pardon isn’t really going to help these mooks. Sure, they may be immune from Federal criminal charges, but pardons don’t cover civil torts or state charges.

    And Manafort would still get out of jail penniless and in real danger. He can’t make a living doing what he was doing, carrying water for various dictators at the age of 79. Nobody will ever trust him-the ones who are still alive. And the new crop will have people of his own. And lets not forget the enemies of such regimes who want revenge. Indeed the best thing of a host of bad things would be for him to stay in jail where there is at least some barrier between him and them.

    Cohen still has time on the clock, but he wants a life of some sort after this is all over in 10-15 or whatever years he gets. A pardon doesn’t help him with state charges from various frauds or help him with his law license.

    So Trump is about to be screwed without even a kiss. The things he can do won’t really make this go away.

  56. 56

    @The Dangerman:

    Argentina have extradition? Asking for a friend.

    Russia doesn’t, which is reason number 2 why it’s Trump’s probable long-term destination.

  57. 57
    Kay says:

    Katie Rogers
    ‏Verified account
    @katierogers
    2h2 hours ago
    More
    Pool short and sweet: “The president took several questions before departing. He repeatedly called Michael Cohen a liar”

    I feel like it would matter a lot in an ordinary prosecution that the low quality Trump hires all lie so much- a blizzard of lies- no way to tell if any of these people is ever truthful- but it will matter less in this one because, well, they’re all liars.

    So what they say matters only to the extent that what they say leads to someone who is credible or a document or other proof. Which is valuable! But not because of what they say- what they say is shit. Means nothing without more.

    We don’t really have to debate if they’;re credible. They’re not. Not a one of them. Just bake that in and move on.

  58. 58
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Elizabelle: While most of the reporting indicates this is in regard to offshore money laundering detailed in the Panama Papers, it is important to keep in mind that the President’s business and Jared’s business owe Deutsche Bank a lot of money. And the Trump Organization’s point of contact at Deutsche Bank is Justice Kennedy’s son.

  59. 59
    Spanky says:

    @kimp:

    “Lordy, I hope there are tapes”…

    There are, but they involve little girls.

    Just warning you ahead of time.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    And the Trump Organization’s point of contact at Deutsche Bank is Justice Kennedy’s son.

    Father and son could share a cell in Fed Max, general population.

  61. 61
    TenguPhule says:

    @Spanky:

    There are, but they involve little girls.

    And some of the girls aren’t actually girls.

  62. 62
    Adam L Silverman says:

    I’m sure Tucker made a frowny face…

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    Kay says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Make it hurt so bad that no one tries this again.

    Right. It is past time someone was actually punished. That’s how it happens in the real world, too, for ordinary people. Sometimes they just happen to come along at a time where some limit has been reached and they get hammered – it’s just bad luck.

    We have a huge white collar crime problem and the Trumps happened to get caught at the time that became clear, so an example should be made. That happens to ordinary criminal defendants. Poor timing.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @CarolDuhart2:

    Cohen still has time on the clock, but he wants a life of some sort after this is all over in 10-15 or whatever years he gets. A pardon doesn’t help him with state charges from various frauds or help him with his law license.

    It would be professional malpractice for our domestic IC and our allied ICs to keep Cohen around after his usefulness has ended.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Kay:

    but what I’d really like is for them to be poor. To have to live in some crap house and get a job and survive without all the shit that they were handed.

    Trump Sr would take a job mopping floors at the local Mickey D’s so he could get free fries every day. He’s too stupid to work the drive-thru. Ivanka as perfume spray person, but not in a nice dept store but on the corner trying to hawk her own branded junk. I see Assistant Associate in a Dollar Tree for DJT Jr. Eric…maybe cleaning out large animal cages at a local zoo?
    Not that there is anything wrong with hard work, I just want these evil people to have to know what it’s like before they die.

  66. 66
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Kaitlan Collins @ kaitlancollins
    A key line from President Trump’s gaggle with reporters: “There was a good chance that I wouldn’t have won, in which case I would have gotten back into the business, and why should I lose lots of opportunities?”

    one of my hobby-horses: He never expected, or really wanted, to be president, he wanted to be the head and star and highest-paid employees of a new Russia-financed (edited) Trump-TV/media entity that would’ve been a FoxNews/RT hybrid, cash (and attention) for trump, and for Putin a destabilizing political force under the HRC administration

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    The Moar You Know says:

    Whoever recommended the Miami Herald thing on Jeff Epstein, thanks for that, I guess. It’s more than a little bit dismaying to find out the whole “cabal of rich, powerful men running a worldwide pedophile ring” myth is actually 100% true, no myth at all.

    It’s a fucking horrifying series and every American should be forced to read it. And after reading the three-part series, I don’t ever want to hear from anyone again that we have a justice system that works. That fucker Epstein should have been burned at the stake on New Years Eve in Times Square, in front of the entire world. Instead, he suffered what amounts to zero consequences.

    Day like today, that shit was enough to send me down the conspiracy rabbit hole. I think I’ll be OK, but goddamn.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

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    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon says:

    @jacy:

    Love the smell of widespread panic in the mid-morning.

    The band, maybe. The fans? IDK…

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    @jacy: All well and good, but I will not rest easy until Pence is implicated in everything. There is a reason Manfort handpicked him and I need to know why.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman: This is the part of the bustout where the crooks start setting stuff on fire.

    I hope Mueller is as prepared for that as we all hope he is.

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    @Elizabelle: I think this might need to be a rotating tagline

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    TenguPhule says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    That fucker Epstein should have been burned at the stake on New Years Eve in Times Square, in front of the entire world.

    Still time for that to happen.

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    Mike in DC says:

    I no longer give a fuck what the Senate does. Trump needs to be charged after he leaves office. If convicted, he needs to spend the rest of his life in prison, both as just punishment for his crimes and as an enduring object lesson for others.

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    Tony Jay says:

    @Schlemazel:

    Ha! You’re most welcome. And you’re all too kind.

    Got to say, though. Seeing Mueller go all Order 66 on Emperor Prisontime’s evil empire is making me want to pop some corn, big time.

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    sukabi says:

    @Boris, Rasputin’s Evil Twin: that was before congress was contemptible.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @TaMara (HFG):

    There is a reason Manfort handpicked him (Pence) and I need to know why.

    His manly squinty eyed grimace?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Tony Jay:

    Got to say, though. Seeing Mueller go all Order 66 on Emperor Prisontime’s evil empire is making me want to pop some corn, big time.

    Technically this is order 65.

    /Star Wars Pedant

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @TenguPhule: An interesting question needs to be asked: When the President and his advisors on judicial nominations – Don McGahn, Leonard Leo, and Mitch McConnell – were convincing Justice Kennedy to retire because the President would appoint a replacement that Kennedy would be comfortable with, was there any discussion about protecting his son in regard to any of the work he did for Deutsche Bank both in regard to his work coordinating loans for the Trump Organization or his other work for Deutsche Bank?

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    Kay says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    It’s more than a little bit dismaying to find out the whole “cabal of rich, powerful men running a worldwide pedophile ring” myth is actually 100% true, no myth at all.

    The saddest part to me is those girls. They were throw-away girls, which is how it was covered up for so long. No one gave a shit what happened to them. I’m so, so glad that they’re speaking out. The entire justice system failed them. Every powerful person and institution that was supposed to get them justice failed them, from the police to federal prosecutors to scumbag Ken Starr.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    was there any discussion about protecting his son in regard to any of the work he did for Deutsche Bank both in regard to his work coordinating loans for the Trump Organization or his other work for Deutsche Bank?

    I am hoping the IC keyed Mueller on to any such hypothetical conversation.

    Examples need to be made.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Just saw a clip of the Beast and the First Courtesan walking up the stairs to AF-1, their arms around each other, and he gave her a peck on the cheek. He usually doesn’t even pause to let her go up first.

    Flying off to exile? All they need to do is make it to the Russian embassy before the authorities can sweep them up.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Mandalay: Exposed as Putin’s valet, I mean. Trump didn’t say shit about Ukraine and was scheduled to meet with Putin despite Russian aggression there. Nothing has changed, except this Cohen plea, which reminds everyone that Trump is Putin’s squeeing fanboy. It wouldn’t do to have another Helsinki, not now.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Kay:

    to federal prosecutors to scumbag Ken Starr.

    But you repeat yourself. //

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    @TaMara (HFG): I gather Pence’s fellow R congressmen called him “Mike Dense.” Would stupidity be enough to make him a good choice?

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    TenguPhule says:

    According to advice issued Thursday by federal health officials, states would be free to redefine the use of those subsidies, which have since 2014 provided the first help the government ever has offered consumers to afford monthly insurance premiums.

    States could allow the subsidies to be used for health plans the administration has been promoting outside the ACA marketplaces that are less expensive because they provide skimpier benefits and fewer consumer protections. Even more dramatic, states could let residents with employer-based coverage set up accounts in which they mingle the federal subsidies with health-care funds from their job or personal tax-deferred savings funds to use for premiums or other medical expenses.

    oh FFS, these maggots will not stop at destroying everything President Obama built.

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    Kay says:

    @Corner Stone:

    That’s the thing, though. Their gross cronies will make sure they’re paid to do something harmful and sleazy until they’re in their 80’s.

    They never go away. Ken Starr is still cashing in. You have to actually put them in prison.

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    CarolDuhart2 says:

    @TenguPhule: That’s not what I’m thinking about. I don’t expect them to keep him around after all is over. But if he serves his sentence without problems, maybe he could collect Social Security or take a job that doesn’t require a law license. Cohen’s in his early 50’s. Give him 10-15 years, he’s still in his sixties. He still has a chance to live some kind of life after his time behind bars, unlike 69 year old Manafort who may die in prison and fears retribution when/if he ever gets out.

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    trollhattan says:

    @jacy:
    I never liked Grassley but since his I am mad as a mad thing! performance at the Cavenaugh hearings he’s become an oily, cranky, old…really old, indignant, offended caricature. Guess the job is open since Hatch is headed out.

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    Kay says:

    Peter Alexander
    ‏Verified account
    @PeterAlexander
    2h2 hours ago
    More
    Giuliani, today: “Michael Cohen is a liar. It’s no surprise that Cohen lied to Congress. He’s a proven liar…”
    Giuliani, last May: “[Cohen] is an honest, honorable lawyer.”

    So this will be the challenge for us, as far as the public ever having some coherent story of what happened- all the low quality hires lie constantly. I don’t really know how to handle it- I don’t think anyone does. It’s really difficult to deal with completely amoral people but we have to.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @trollhattan: the Cavenaugh hearings he’s become an oily, cranky, old…really old, indignant, offended caricature.

    the old fool was bellowing about “pulling the plug on grandma”, while Max Baucus was slow-walking health care reform because he didn’t want to damage his bipartisan working relationship with his good friend Chuck

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    Martin says:

    @Kay:

    You have to actually put them in prison.

    Absolutely. The problem with money is you can always make more of it so fining people for being overly ambitious at making money is useless. But time – you can’t make more of that.

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    LAO says:

    @Kay:

    Every powerful person and institution that was supposed to get them justice failed them, from the police to federal prosecutors to scumbag Ken Starr.

    The Epstein story is vile – and an absolute indictment of then US Attorney Acosta and his office, but I Ken Starr was a member of the defense team and, quite frankly defense attorneys have no obligation to victims.

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    Tony Jay says:

    @cope: @TenguPhule:

    Well, technically, Order 65 would need the Senate to lower the boom on Jabba the Trump and that’s not going to happen in this timeline.#gotyourpedantrightheresonny

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Kay:

    I don’t really know how to handle it- I don’t think anyone does.

    I’d suggest flogging.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Kay: IANAL, but I believe every one who says Mueller wouldn’t take Cohen’s word for anything unless he had documents, and maybe tapes, to back him up. My hope is that televised hearings, with a smug-yet-sweaty Don Junior and a garrulous Michael Cohen (and a few others) will knock trump down into the low 30s, maybe down to that 27%, and that will scare a few Rs up in 2020.

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    trollhattan says:

    @LAO:
    Dersh of “I’m no longer invited to the best parties in the Hamptons” fame was also part of the team. These fuckers keep flocking together.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Kay:

    to federal prosecutors to scumbag Ken Starr.

    Who could have ever guessed that the presidential panty sniffer would turn out to be a monstrous pervert?

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    WaterGirl says:

    From LGM:

    . . . also too, Deutsche Bank gave Trump more than a billion dollars in real estate loans while Anthony Kennedy’s son was the head of a real estate division there.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Gravenstone:

    Another poster here has suggested supplanting the “tick tock motherfuckers” chorus with the Tell Tale Heart.

    “–tear up the planks! here, here!”

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @The Moar You Know: I’m working on getting one of our resident commenter legal eagles to do a subject matter expert’s guest post for us on this. It may take a few days given that person’s schedule. So please be patient.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Kay:

    They never go away. Ken Starr is still cashing in.

    Isn’t he like a three time loser by now (at least)? All that money wasted sniffing panties at the WH, the whole Baylor fiasco and now this revelation? And yet I will bet we see him on CNN sometime in the near future to pontificate on some morality issue where Trump is handling it just right.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

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    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    Yet another example of Twitler not being able to think on his feet he was just asked by Paul Brandus (West Wing Reports)

    Q: “If Cohen is such a bum, why did you hire him, have him on your payroll for 12 years, and have him do so much of your dirty work?”

    A: President Trump: “Because a long time ago he did me a favor. A long time ago he did me a favor.”

    Any smart person would have said “he didn’t do any dirty work for me but….”

    Not Twitler he doesn’t see a rake before he walks into it.

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    Trump on potential Moscow deal about which Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to lying to Congress: “I wasn’t trying to hide anything.”

    Tick Tock: I then replaced the boards so cleverly, so cunningly, that no human eye –not even his –could have detected any thing wrong. There was nothing to wash out –no stain of any kind –no blood-spot whatever. (E. A. Poe, The Tell-Tale Heart)

    @Gravenstone: I hear there’s a room coming open at some Ecuadorian embassy.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @TenguPhule: He is.

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    LAO says:

    @trollhattan: Honestly — don’t make me defense these assholes but that what defense attorneys do. Defend people who committed terrible crimes.

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    CarolDuhart2 says:

    You know…there’s one person who’s grateful today. Chris Christie. Sometimes being rejected is the best thing that can happen. He won’t be going to jail, just left office. A desperate Republican Party could do worse post-Trump. Even with some of the stench, he could at least distance himself from this and get a second bite of the apple.

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    different-church-lady says:

    FYI: for about the past 18 hours I’ve been experiencing a glitch where my comment doesn’t show up when I post, but if I reload the page it did indeed go through.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    Kind of a quiet morning…

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    @different-church-lady: Supplementing, not supplanting. See above.

    I’m trying to space out the quotes to, with luck, hit the climax about when Trump has his final legal meltdown. But it’s hard. Time flows oddly in this continuum.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt: That’s more Trump thinking like a mob boss.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @CarolDuhart2:

    Chris Christie. Sometimes being rejected is the best thing that can happen. He won’t be going to jail, just left office. A desperate Republican Party could do worse post-Trump. Even with some of the stench, he could at least distance himself from this and get a second bite of the apple.

    Must you bring up such potentially awful news during a time of joy? //

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    LAO says:

    @LAO: Why can’t I edit — I making a thousand typos today!!!

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman: NRA layoffs?

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    Schlemazel says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:
    I always assumed it was because it would encourage the Talibengilicals to vote for the ticket on the assumption the Cosmic Muffin would remove Dump and the chosen one would ascend to the throne

    but it could be because he is too stupid to notice. The GOP admitted they only wanted a thing capable of signing bills as POTUS, no brain necessary. They almost had that with Boy George

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    dmsilev says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym:

    I hear there’s a room coming open at some Ecuadorian embassy.

    Downside there is that there’s a cat to take care of. Trump doesn’t do animals.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I assume you’ve seen this interesting thread on Justice Kennedy and his dad.

    Tonight we return to history. In this moment of retiring Justice Kennedy, the shady dealings of his offspring, & the onslaught of judges that "Cocaine" Mitch & Donnie "Two Scoops" are appointing, I've been asked to do a piece on the Mob & judges. "But, Your Honor…"- THREAD – pic.twitter.com/VA25GfFqFt— Lincoln's Bible (@LincolnsBible) August 30, 2018

    Reminder that both Kavanaugh and Gorsuch clerked for Kennedy.

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    Schlemazel says:

    @TenguPhule:
    saw that, the day just gets better and better

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    geg6 says:

    So now he’s cancelled his planned meetings with Turkey and South Korea, too.

    My guess? Bolton and Pompeo have wrestled him into the bedroom of AF1 and are holding him down while whatever doctor is on board administers the elephant tranquilizer. He’s melting down for sure. Imagine being stuck on that plane with him raging away.

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    CarolDuhart2 says:

    @TenguPhule: Pence rightly deserves his nickname. The only way he gets into the Oval is Trump stumbles somehow. There are only two names I can think of that might make it a race in 2024 (or 2020 if there’s that stumble). Kasich and possible Christie. There simply doesn’t seem anyone else that works for them. They both have enough of a moderate veneer that swing voters might find them passable. Everyone else? No chance.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Just another successful Infrastructure Week.

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    delk says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Burke was my alderman growing up during the last days of the machine. He was also one half of the two Eddies that led the council wars against Harold Washington.

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    dmsilev says:

    @geg6: I’m going with the Ockham’s Razor argument that he’s just too damn lazy to prepare for anything resembling a “formal meeting”.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @geg6: I hope his floating rage focuses on Mrs Mr Kellyanne Conway and she gets screamed at for a couple of hours. While there is turbulence.

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    geg6 says:

    @LAO:

    True, but it sure shines a bright light on why he was so comfortable with women being raped by the football team while he was president at Baylor

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    germy says:

    BREAKING: Trump admin plans to announce a bump stock ban that would require bump stock owners to destroy or surrender the devices to authorities. Members of the public will be given 90 days to turn in or discard their bump stocks. -CNN

    — Ryan Saavedra (@RealSaavedra) November 29, 2018

    This is just like when Obama tried to take yer guns back in Two Thousand and NEVER.

    Crickets from the right. https://t.co/EP5voSADaj

    — Crutnacker (@Crutnacker) November 29, 2018

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    TenguPhule says:

    Trump adviser sought WikiLeaks emails via Farage ally, Mueller document alleges

    Its raining shoes…..and men.

    Ted Malloch, a London-based academic close to Farage, was allegedly passed a request from a longtime Trump adviser to get advance copies of emails stolen from Trump’s opponents by Russian hackers and later published by WikiLeaks.

    The allegation emerged in a draft legal document drawn up by Robert Mueller, the special prosecutor investigating Russia’s interference in the 2016 election and any collusion with Trump’s campaign team.

    In response to a series of questions from the Guardian, including whether he had acted on the request to make contact with WikiLeaks, Malloch said in an email: “No and no comment.”

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    germy says:

    @dmsilev: The cat is gone, according to latest news.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @germy:

    The cat is gone, according to latest news.

    But the cat came back the very next day. It just couldn’t stay away.

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    germy says:

    @TenguPhule: The cat is cooperating fully with Mueller, according to what I’ve read.

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    dmsilev says:

    @germy: Are we sure that the cat isn’t a cooperating witness?

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    Yarrow says:

    America is signaling the waiter to ask for the check.— Rob Reiner (@robreiner) November 29, 2018

    LOL.

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    trollhattan says:

    @LAO:
    Dersh is interesting in this case (heh) because he was one of Epstein’s frequent guests and if I recall the article correctly, is accused of sexual relations with some of the girls. That’s beyond simply lawyering for cashola. To my knowledge Starr wasn’t part of that circle of abuse.

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    Yarrow says:

    @germy: @dmsilev: I wonder if the cat wore a collar? Hmmmm….

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    ruemara says:

    @TenguPhule: I might watch that on Rockin’ New Year’s Eve.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Greg Giroux

    @greggiroux
    Pence’s 11th tie-breaking vote in <2 years (already 7th-most in history), and his second in <24 hours: https://twitter.com/greggiroux/status/1067851590487498753

    Lisa Desjardins

    @LisaDNews
    ANOTHER SQUEAKER. @VP Pence just broke a 49-49 tie to advance nomination of controversial judicial nom, Jonathan Kobes.

    This after Sen. @JeffFlake withdrew his no vote, as a means to offset the absences of Sen. Inhofe, who would have been a yes.

    Neither Flake nor Inhofe voted.

    5
    8:05 AM – Nov 29, 2018

    Fucking Flake is all talk and still a traitor to the Republic.

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    germy says:

    Trump threatens to declassify ‘devastating’ docs about Democrats

    In a wide-ranging, exclusive interview with The Post, President Trump said Wednesday that if House Democrats launched probes into his administration — which he called “presidential harassment” — they’d pay a heavy price.

    “If they go down the presidential harassment track, if they want go and harass the president and the administration, I think that would be the best thing that would happen to me. I’m a counter-puncher and I will hit them so hard they’d never been hit like that,” he said during a 36-minute Oval Office sitdown.

    The commander-in-chief said he could declassify FISA warrant applications and other documents from Robert Mueller’s probe — and predicted the disclosure would expose the FBI, the Justice Department and the Clinton campaign as being in cahoots to set him up.

    https://nypost.com/2018/11/28/trump-threatens-to-declassify-devastating-docs-about-democrats/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=twitter_app

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    patroclus says:

    Burke is corrupt as hell – he’s just always gotten away with it. He was the leader of the Council when they opposed Harold Washington (Vrdolyak got the headlines but Burke was the Finance Chair). This could be Trump-related but it also could be any manner of corruption. Kudos to Chuy Garcia for leading the charge to finally bury Burke once and for all.

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    germy says:

    @Yarrow: His bowtie was really a camera.

    EDIT:
    I’ve seen photos of the cat and he always wore a festive bowtie while staring glumly out the embassy window.

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    bemused says:

    @Kay:

    Being poor and struggling would be their worst nightmares.

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    Mandalay says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Peter Spiegel: Having now read Michael Cohen’s plea deal, I doff my hat to @BuzzFeedNews: everything revealed by Mueller in his charge sheet was revealed by them in this piece 6 months ago.

    I second that. One hell of a scoop, and a mountain of details. And it was written over six months ago. The authors have to get 2019 Pulitzers for that.

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/anthonycormier/trump-moscow-micheal-cohen-felix-sater-campaign

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Huh, this is interesting; two days after Michael Cohen lied to Congress about his contact with the Kremlin (he claimed an inquiry wasn’t answered), Vladimir Putin’s press secretary (Peskov) lied to back up Cohen’s story (via TPM):

    [O]n August 30, Peskov held a news conference at which he was asked about the email. He described Cohen’s outreach as “an email that went unanswered that was solely regarding a real estate deal and nothing more.”

    He continued: “This email said that a certain Russian company together with certain individuals is pursuing the goal of building a skyscraper in the ‘Moscow City’ district, but things aren’t going well and they asked for help with some advice on moving this project forward. But, since, I repeat again, we do not react to such business topics — this is not our work — we left it unanswered.”

    “We cannot discuss with President Putin hundreds and thousands of different requests, which, by the way, come from a variety of countries,” he added.

    Gosh, why would Putin’s minion lie to back up Trump’s henchman? It’s almost like they were…colluding.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @germy: please proceed, Mr. Trump.

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    p.a. says:

    Dog bites man:

    LANSING, Mich. (AP) — Michigan’s Republican-led Legislature began voting Wednesday on bills that would substantially scale back citizen-initiated minimum wage and paid sick leave laws that a business lobby criticized as too expensive and burdensome, setting up expected court challenges if GOP Gov. Rick Snyder signs them before making way for a Democrat in January.

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    --bd says:

    Yes, but once AF1 crosses the Equator will Trump’s psyche start spiraling counter-clockwise?

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    Elizabelle says:

    @germy: Yeah. I hope Assange’s cat is living large somewhere now.

    Free to come and go as he pleases. Living his best little life. Unlike the person who could not be bothered to clean his litterbox.

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    Luciamia says:

    Hmmm, looks like those bleeding red Christmas tree are gonna be an apt symbol at the White House.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    So, I guess Mueller was waiting on the Mississippi runoff after all.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @germy: What about penalties for non-compliance? Because if so, THANKS REPUBLICANS FOR THE PRECEDENT!!!

    Hello, expanded capacity magazines – let’s talk.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @TenguPhule: Wonder if Malloch knew Mifsud?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @trollhattan: Google “Alan Dershowitz first wife” when you have some time.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Matt McIrvin:

    So, I guess Mueller was waiting on the Mississippi runoff after all.

    Sure looks like a lot of things started happening very fast right after.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @germy: I know there’s like a Wide Sargasso Sea of Stupidity that exists every time Trump opens his mouth, but this has to rank up there amongst the top. So, you have evidence of criminal or maybe just unethical behavior but you’re not telling anyone what it is. Until or unless they say mean things about you. In regards to an investigation where you are totally and completely innocent.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Senator John Kennedy of Louisiana will announce if he will run for Governor on Monday.

    Kennedy, a Republican first elected in 2016, would seek to face incumbent Democrat John Bel Edwards in the Pelican State’s 2019 gubernatorial election.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @different-church-lady: I was a bit confused when you asked about being in moderation last night as I didn’t see anything in moderation.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @p.a.:

    Michigan’s Republican-led Legislature began voting Wednesday on bills that would substantially scale back citizen-initiated minimum wage and paid sick leave laws that a business lobby criticized as too expensive and burdensome,

    It’s almost as if…as if Republicans are determined to do exactly what they said they would do if in office…

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Luciamia:

    looks like those bleeding red Christmas tree

    “It’s a…nice day for a..Red Wedding!”

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    MagdaInBlack says:

    @delk:
    Burke and Fast Eddie Vrdolyak
    Yes I remember
    Oy

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @TenguPhule: Could be a typo for NBA lay ups. Who knows…

    Actually it is accurate:
    https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2018/11/28/layoffs-hit-nra-s-media-operation-nratv/222177

    A veteran producer for the National Rifle Association’s media operation, Cameron Gray, announced today that he and several of his colleagues had been laid off from NRATV.

    Some personal news: Just shy of my 10-year anniversary, me and several colleagues had their positions terminated this morning

    So, if you have or know of any jobs available in the DC-area, or any that can be done remotely, please let me know

    — Cameron Gray (@Cameron_Gray) November 28, 2018

    The layoffs follow reporting on the NRA’s most recent tax filings, which show a $55 million drop in revenue between 2016 and 2017.

    Gray was most often seen on NRATV as a producer and occasional guest host for Cam & Co., a weekday three-hour talk radio-style broadcast that covers gun issues as well as general conservative interest stories. Gray wrote on his LinkedIn profile that he has worked on the show since 2009. Cam & Co. was first launched in 2004 with host Cam Edwards as the flagship of the NRA’s media operation, which was then called NRA News. Cam & Co. was also broadcast on the Sportsman Channel beginning in January 2013 through its cancellation by the network in June 2015. It remains to be seen whether Cam & Co. will continue to be broadcast; the November 28 broadcast of the show was a repeat of the previous day’s episode.

    Media Matters has been a frequent critic of misinformation about gun violence that permeates Cam & Co.’s programming, most notably the show’s incessant — and incorrect — argument that more permissive access to firearms leads to lower levels of gun violence and frequent false claim that guns are used to stop crimes more often than they are used to commit them.

    In October 2016, NRA News rebranded itself as NRATV with the aim of offering more live programming. NRATV broadcasts via online streaming at NRATV.com, on satellite radio, and through Apple TV, Roku, and Amazon Fire. As with NRA News, NRATV’s operations are supported by the gun group’s advertising firm, Ackerman McQueen.

    The launch of NRATV in 2016 presaged a sharp change in tone for the NRA’s media operation. Going beyond misinformation about the debate over gun laws, new programming on the network struck such a hateful, bigoted, and conspiratorial tone that Media Matters termed the operation a “hybrid of Breitbart and Infowars.”

    NRATV has also essentially served as state TV for the Trump administration, in its early days attacking the press for reporting on then-candidate Donald Trump’s admission on tape that he has sexually assaulted women. The pro-Trump propaganda has continued since then, with one recent example being NRATV host Grant Stinchfield’s declaration that Trump was the real winner of the 2018 midterm elections, where Democrats won the House of Representatives by historic margins. New programming launched by NRATV also showed great hostility towards the First Amendment — both in the tendency to attack peaceful protests against Trump and its often wildly unhinged attacks on press critical of the president.

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    LAO says:

    Because of the @MiamiHerald's devastating Jeffrey Epstein investigation, "@SecretaryAcosta is out of the running to be President Donald Trump's attorney general," @anitakumar01 reports: https://t.co/dVIVTG2M01.— David Gura (@davidgura) November 29, 2018

    Now, if only he were forced to resign as Labor Secretary.

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    @germy: The man in the gabardine suit? All gone to look for America.

    I am old. I remember all those songs.

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    Kay says:

    @p.a.:

    LANSING, Mich. (AP) — Michigan’s Republican-led Legislature began voting Wednesday on bills that would substantially scale back citizen-initiated minimum wage and paid sick leave laws that a business lobby criticized as too expensive and burdensome, setting up expected court challenges if GOP Gov. Rick Snyder signs them before making way for a Democrat in January.

    I think they can just put it back on the ballot which will drive up Dem turnout…

    This time they can put it on the ballot and say “Republicans gutted that law you passed” to the public.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Yarrow: Yep. Never quite sure what to make of that account though.

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    Corner Stone says:

    Big News, if true:

    Atrios
    ‏ @Atrios
    20m20 minutes ago

    Twist: i am individual-1

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @LAO:

    Honestly — don’t make me defense these assholes but that what defense attorneys do. Defend people who committed terrible crimes.

    You scumbag! Now if you’ll excuse me, I have a union to bust….

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    He’s not going to formally meet with anyone at the G20 by the time AF1 lands. He’s going to spend 48 hours in his rooms at the US ambassador’s residence, watching cable TV, eating, and rage tweeting!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

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    Yarrow says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I know what you mean about the account, but lots of interesting info that one can go follow themselves pops up in those types of threads.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Well, that’s what he did in France.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @CarolDuhart2: Actually the whole point of primarying an incumbent of your own party isn’t to actually win the nomination from them, rather it is to telegraph and demonstrate their vulnerability as they reclaim the nomination. When Ted Kennedy primaried Carter this is what happened. When Buchanan primaried Bush 41 this is what happened. To a certain extant, when Reagan sort of challenged Ford, this happened.

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    C Stars says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Very low energy.

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    sm*t cl*de says:

    @Corner Stone:
    “We’re the Kakistocrats!”

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @LAO: Wait till discovery in that lawsuit brought by the victims start at the end of the year. He’s not long in his position once that starts.

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    Domestic short hair tabby (fka vheidi) says:

    @Roger Moore: yep

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Yarrow: Yes it is. Anyone know if rain is forecast for Buenos Aires?

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    Corner Stone says:

    @C Stars: Trump never had the stah-men-uh! he proclaimed during the campaign but he has decidedly hit the low water mark for interest, or ability, to do more than walk to the South Lawn and answer questions.

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    geg6 says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Mitch Landrieu would look good in that open Senate seat, I’m thinking.

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    laura says:

    @Kay:

    The saddest part to me is those girls. They were throw-away girls, which is how it was covered up for so long. No one gave a shit what happened to them.
    Kay, ain’t that the truth! They are and have always been disposable and their lives have no value to these evil, skeezy, Lords of Power. And now, all those former useful tools who have placed the blame for sex trafficking on HRC will do a double quick reversal and claim that these slutty, drug using, broken women are just trying to bring these good men down.
    NO MORE POWER WITHOUT ACCOUNTABILITY! ENOUGH.

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    Mandalay says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Google “Alan Dershowitz first wife” when you have some time.

    How can anyone refuse an invitation to find dirt on Dershowitz ?…

    The claims are these: somewhere in 1974-75 Sue discovered that Alan was having an affair, and she took all the important papers from each of the cases he was handling and threw them into the street. He beat the snot out of her in a rage; she had to be hospitalized. Alan divorced his wife in 1975 and got custody of his sons, and would not pay his wife any financial support but the lowest level possible. Sometime in 1975 or 1976 she killed herself by allegedly jumping off the Brooklyn Bridge.

    Dershowitz is another one of these pious, pompous pundits who can’t keep it in their pants, and have had a train wreck for a private life. John Fund, Jeffrey Toobin, George Will are Jason Miller are other examples.

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    rikyrah says:

    Being from Chicago, I can’t state strong enough the earthquake that happened in Chicago when they raided Ed Burke today. There is no more powerful politician in Chicago than Burke. He has a security detail that rivals the Mayor. His wife is on the Illinois Supreme Court.
    I am still in shock.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:
    Which they should do. Put it on the ballot again.

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    Ridnik Chrome says:

    @rikyrah: I too am from Chicago, I remember well the Council Wars of the Harold Washington era, and I still spit after saying Eddie Burke’s name. Nothing would make me happier than seeing him frog-marched.

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    TCS says:

    @Elizabelle: Any connections to Cohen’s taxi business in Chicago?

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    The man in the gabardine suit

    Always makes me think of a Robert Mapplethorpe photo titled “Man in Polyester Suit.”

    Do not Google this.

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    Doug R says:

    @Mike in DC: Feels like this season’s going to have a cliffhanger.
    Some new cast members coming in January, should be quite the shakeup.

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    JPL says:

    @LAO: Good!
    Now trump will just keep Whitaker, and the republicans will no longer care that he’s not confirmed.

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    Mandalay says:

    @Gin & Tonic: You just won this thread.

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    ruemara says:

    @rikyrah: I am gonna drop this thread on Kennedy’s mob ties. Oh, Justice (Ret.) Kennedy. I’m guessing Burke is gonna pay the piper.

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    smintheus says:

    Anybody have suggestions about how to uninstall Siri from a Mac computer? I just updated to Mojave and find that I now have this spyware that Mac treats as if it were a core program. There’s probably a way to discard it using the command line, but I haven’t been able to figure out how. Mac’s help/chat refused to tell me how to do it, saying that Mac did not support deleting essential apps, while also hinting that I was in fact on the right track. The local Mac store claimed that they didn’t know of any way to do it.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @geg6: Apparently he’s considering running for president.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    The commander-in-chief said he could declassify FISA warrant applications and other documents from Robert Mueller’s probe — and predicted the disclosure would expose the FBI, the Justice Department and the Clinton campaign as being in cahoots to set him up.

    @germy: Do it, you orange piece of shit. He won’t, because the only thing there implicates him.

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    Doug R says:

    @jacy: My response?
    Bye Felicia(s).

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @rikyrah: Chicago mix for everyone!

    Alexa!!!! Order all the Chicago mix please!!!!!

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    Jeffro says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    He’s not going to formally meet with anyone at the G20 by the time AF1 lands. He’s going to spend 48 hours in his rooms at the US ambassador’s residence, watching cable TV, eating, and rage tweeting!

    To quote, um, you: “Ya think?”

    LOL

    Trumpistas, you’re about to see your warrior king devolve into a little whiny puddle of goo right before your very eyes. Heck, you already are.

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    LAO says:

    @Gin & Tonic: No, no, no. Everyone should google it — it’s quite a suit.

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    jacy says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Kennedy is a grade-A asshole hiding behind some folksy bullshit. Not very bright either.

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    Ridnik Chrome says:

    @Ridnik Chrome: Also, I’m actually kind of amazed that Eddie Burke is still a) alive and b) an alderman. I met him once about twenty years ago at my old job and I remember his face being roughly the color of a brick. I would have figured either the feds or his ticker would have gotten him by now.

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    debit says:

    @LAO: It’s quite a -something- that’s for sure. Just so everyone is aware, the search result is very much NOT safe for work. Said the woman posting from work.

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    LAO says:

    @debit: Well, you know, it is art.

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    jacy says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I think he’s pretty much given up on even appearing to do the job. Honestly, I think he’s really going to spiral now simply because he can’t do the daily rally thing. That’s the only thing that even temporarily fills the yawning hole inside him. I look forward to him either physcially collapsing inward on himself, or exploding Scanners-style. Not picky which.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @LAO: I clearly said not to Google it, didn’t I?

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt: A: President Trump:

    “Because a long time ago he did me a favor. A long time ago he did me a favor.”

    That strikes me as possibly the only true thing Trump has said since the beginning of 2016.

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    Mary G says:

    This is shaping up to be the best Infrastructure Week evah!

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    catclub says:

    @JPL:

    and the republicans will no longer care that he’s not confirmed.

    they will continue to not care.

    Trump could have fired Sessions months ago and the Senate would do….. nothing. Or maybe not confirm a replacement and Whitaker sits there even longer.

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    jacy says:

    @geg6:

    Getting Kennedy out of the Senate only works if John Bel Edwards retains the governership. Bel Edwards has done as good a job as could be asked, considering he’s a very Blue Dog and had to clean up after the 8-year Bobby Jindal horrowshow. Kennedy as gov would be a fucking disaster, especially for healthcare and education, both of which have been treading water here for a long time. Hopefully voters remember that, but it’s Louisiana, so probably not. Politics are weirder here than anywhere else.

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    LAO says:

    @Gin & Tonic: I didn’t google it. I saw it a Maplethorpe exhibition when I was an impressionable young lady. It has led me to a lifetime of disappointment…

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    JPL says:

    @Gin & Tonic: I followed your instruction.

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    Ridnik Chrome says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Not only should everyone Google it, they should print it out and send it as a Christmas card to all their Trump-voting relatives.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Mary G:

    This is shaping up to be the best Infrastructure Week evah!

    There is only one Infrastructure Week. And it is good.

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    catclub says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Have You ever seen the Picture of Robert Mugabe in an amazing Suit?
    Now THAT is a search that is worth doing.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @germy: Remember in 2007/2008 when the Obama campaign held all sorts of endorsements in their pocket and rolled them out as needed when they wanted to control the narrative?

    This announcement about bump stocks makes me think there are people who are holding things like that in their pockets in order to distract from Mueller and other events that aren’t to their liking.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Uhhh, yikes. He’s a real peach.

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    Martin says:

    @Mary G: We really need to ascend ‘Infrastructure Week!’ to the same punchline status as ‘The Aristocrats!’.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @LAO:

    I saw it a Maplethorpe exhibition when I was an impressionable young lady. It has led me to a lifetime of disappointment…

    If that’s what you’re looking for then I may never leave the house again. I’m not a vest guy and polyester just doesn’t do it for me.

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    catclub says:

    @LAO: Wouldn’t that scandal be seen as credentials in Trump’s eyes?

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @LAO: I saw it at an exhibition, too, and didn’t even know (and didn’t dare find out) whether it was searchable. Mapplethorpe, as you’re probably aware, had certain, um, predilections. Sorry life has let you down.

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    Martin says:

    @WaterGirl: Trump and his merry band of assholes do nothing but for political gain. I’m guessing they have binders full of distractions they plan on rolling out on bad news days.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Google “Alan Dershowitz first wife” when you have some time.

    Holee Crap ! I never had much respect for Dershowitz, but that’s horrible !!

    Thanks, kinda, if you know what I mean…. Worse than Ken Starrrr. maybe.

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    catclub says:

    @jacy: Yeah, Bel Edwards won because he was running against Vitter, who the people hated even more than a Democrat. Kennedy is likely to win in a walk.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    Unrelated to anything I have personally been involved in, can anyone recommend a criminal defense attorney in Athens, Georgia? Friend’s kid got busted for drugs.

    LAO, did you end up taking the Georgia bar like you planned?

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    germy says:

    @smintheus: Can you go to the applications folder and drag siri to the trash?

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Made me look. Seems like a nice suit. 3-piece, you don’t see that too often anymore. Accessories are admittedly a little unusual.

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    JPL says:

    @catclub: That’s why he has the job now, but the negative news might be more than trump’s handlers can stomach.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Raven might know someone since that’s his neck of the woods.

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    LAO says:

    @catclub: It’s hard for me to explain to people who don’t practice criminal law in the federal system how utterly egregious and how inconceivable the Epstein non-prosecution was. I still don’t understand how it happened and “rich white, dude” is actually not a real answer. If Acosta was appointed AG (because he’s already been through Senate confirmation) I would expect every career prosecutor to resign.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @smintheus: “Siri, delete yourself and tell Tim Cook to suck it!”

    NB: can’t confirm that this will work.

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    LAO says:

    @Steve in the ATL: No and No. And one miserable argument/experience before the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals is all I need in a lifetime. Sorry.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I was a bit confused when you asked about being in moderation last night as I didn’t see anything in moderation.

    Yeah, I jumped the gun on that — didn’t see the post come up and just assumed moderation. Tried two more, didn’t see them, refreshed the page and they all showed up.

    PS: and whaddaya know, it just happened again with this very post.

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    J R in WV says:

    @LAO:

    Because of the @MiamiHerald’s devastating Jeffrey Epstein investigation, “@SecretaryAcosta is out of the running to be President Donald Trump’s attorney general,” @anitakumar01 reports: https://t.co/dVIVTG2M01.— David Gura (@davidgura) November 29, 2018

    Now, if only he were forced to resign as Labor Secretary.

    If only he were prosecuted for his part in the pedophile cover-up conspiracy, forced to register as a sex offender, spend 12 years in a real actual prison, sharing a cell with J. Epstein.

    If only!

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    rikyrah says:

    @TCS:
    Would it interest you that the taxi medallion business in Chicago is controlled by Russians?😒😒

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    jacy says:

    @catclub:

    Not necessarily true. There’s a pretty strong incumbent bias for governer here. And Bel Edwards very first act was to expand Medicaid, whixh has made a HUGE difference and is very popular. He also managed to get TOPS (the state scholarship fund that pays for any eligible student to attend college) fully funded, when the Republicans were talking about cutting it in half. Kennedy has got some work to do. Local political scientists put it at probably 50/50 between Bel Edwards and Kennedy if Kennedy announces.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @Schlemazel: I already appropriated it (with attribution) on FB.

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    @Adam L Silverman: Did they all also lose in the general?

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    Yarrow says:

    @jacy: And there’s no way to predict what the Mueller investigation is going to do to the 2020 election. It could affect the Republican party and there could be a lot of collateral damage.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Mandalay: Pyrrhic victory.

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    JanieM says:

    @smintheus: I don’t have a Mac, but I googled “how to remove Siri from a Mac computer” and got a lot of results that weren’t part of Mac forums. I’ve found solutions to a lot of weird computer/Windows questions by this method. Sometimes it takes a while to figure out which results you want to rely on…

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @jacy: Melania, Jared, and Ivanka are on the plane with Trump.
    Wow. Everyone he cares about.

    And Melania.

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    jacy says:

    @catclub:

    Just out of curiosity, I looked up Bel Edwards latest numbers and he has a 55% approval rating and only a 32% disapproval rating in the state, which puts him above both Sen. Kennedy and Sen. Cassidy in approval. Contrast with Bobby Jindal, who left office with 16% approval…….

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    smintheus says:

    @germy: No, it won’t give you the option. That’s why I think you need to go into Terminal and turn off SIP (System Integrity Protection, the new protection Mac has built in against trashing programs)….which I know how to do…and then proceed with the correct command line instructions to locate and delete Siri. But I don’t know how to do the latter.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: If he were flying solo, he’s still be with everyone he cares about.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: All of those incumbents lost their reelections in the general election. Ford to Carter, Carter to Reagan, and Bush 41 to Clinton. The only three one term presidents since WW II that weren’t the result of not running again. The only one of those was LBJ.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Melania, Jared, and Ivanka are on the plane with Trump.
    Wow. Everyone he cares about.

    And Melania.

    Trump is on the plane. The only one he cares about.

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    TCS says:

    @rikyrah: Yeah. Knew that. Just wondering if Burke was connected in any way. Busy day today w/ Deutsche bank raid, Cohen, Manafort, Ukraine etc. I am imagining Anthony Kennedy, Kavanaugh, Deutschebank, Cohen, Burke, Trump,Kushner, Manafort, et al ad nauseum all in this together in some nefarious way that I cannot make out.

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    smintheus says:

    @JanieM: Thanks. I did that and tried out a few of the offered methods, but none I tried have worked.

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    ruemara says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I wonder which embassy would take him in.

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    TS (the original) says:

    @germy: If he gets any more presidential, they’ll have to stamp it on his forehead

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    NotMax says:

    “I was only touching the cookies in the jar, I wasn’t going to eat them.”

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    @Adam L Silverman: Actually, LBJ did run; his performance in the New Hampshire primary, while he won, was lackluster; so he bowed out of the race early on.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @ruemara: ECUADOR: “You don’t have any pets? That’s good, because we just changed the lease…”

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    TenguPhule says:

    @NotMax:

    “I was only touching the cookies in the jar, I wasn’t going to eat them.”

    It was his tongue!

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    Yarrow says:

    @LAO: I saw video on the news of Acosta during his confirmation hearing. Rubio was sitting next to him it looked like. They also said something like various prosecutors knew about it and something about how the decision stood through three administrations–although I could have got that part wrong since I wasn’t fully paying attention. In any case, they made it seem like no big deal.

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    Mandalay says:

    @catclub:

    Bel Edwards won because he was running against Vitter, who the people hated even more than a Democrat.

    And what is stalwart Republican David Vitter up to now?…

    Another Mercury lobbyist, the former Senator David Vitter of Louisiana, led an effort to rally foreign ambassadors in Washington against sanctions, working to persuade them that hurting Mr. Deripaska’s business will hurt manufacturing in their own countries by disrupting the supply of aluminum.

    Vitter’s support for breaking sanctions against Russia is highly principled, and suggestions that it is because Deripaska possesses photos of Vitter wearing a diaper are highly irresponsible.

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    J R in WV says:

    So Tony Kennedy’s dad was a mob lawyer, and he inherited his dad’s law practice…

    Color me shocked. And his son, working for Deutsche Bank, loaned Trump a hundred million dollars, or perhaps Euros.

    What a family business, amirite~!?!?!~

    No wonder “Justice” Kennedy resigned so that “Justice” Kavanaugh could take his seat on the highest bench!!!

    Color me shocked, again!

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    Yarrow says:

    @J R in WV: Reminder that both Gorsuch and Kavanaugh clerked for Kennedy. He hand picked Kavanaugh. Seems like a good story there for some enterprising journalist.

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    piratedan says:

    Hell… at this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if Vlad shoots down AF1 just to watch the unfolding shitshow as the ‘Nation mourns the death of its President”……

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    gwangung says:

    Hell… at this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if Vlad shoots down AF1 just to watch the unfolding shitshow as the ‘Nation mourns the death of its President”……

    He could place a bomb on there and the clown show they have running the place would never find it.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @J R in WV:

    And his son, working for Deutsche Bank, loaned Trump a hundred million dollars, or perhaps Euros.

    Over a billion dollars, with a B, during a few year span. Trump Org still currently owes something like $350M to DB. Mysterious how that is, nick war?

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    Brachiator says:

    I’m super busy with work today, so just peeking in. This Trump/Cohen stuff is crazy!

    But Trump is out of the country, right? He must be storing up a Twitter rampage.

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    @gwangung: Sure, it only took them 3 weeks to figure out how to use a light switch.

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    sherparick says:

    Hey, this is the best Infrastructure Week yet!

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    --bd says:

    @Corner Stone: Neat autocorrect on “Nicht Wahr” there.

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    Yarrow says:

    Wow, this is quite a headline:

    Business dispute over the release of doves at a funeral has led to a California man's arrest on suspicion of making criminal threats and the seizure of more than 50 guns and Nazi paraphernalia from his home. https://t.co/uN9t6RC7av pic.twitter.com/7dZWNiQURG— ABC News (@ABC) November 28, 2018

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    Viva BrisVegas says:

    @LAO:

    Ken Starr was a member of the defense team and, quite frankly defense attorneys have no obligation to victims.

    I think the question is “why Ken Starr?”.

    Was he picked by Epstein because of his tremendous abilities as a defense lawyer?

    Or was he picked because he had a backdoor to Acosta via his political affiliations?

    Acosta gave Epstein an amazingly good deal and then illegally hid it from the victims. That doesn’t happen without some quid pro quo.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Yarrow: Whoa. Huntington Beach, CA. From your first link:

    When police officers executed a search warrant on Todd’s home on Tuesday, they seized more than 50 guns, numerous rounds of ammunition, flags bearing the Nazi swastika, a Confederate flag and a picture of Adolf Hitler, Cota said.

    … He said Todd has 12 guns registered to him.

    “So we need to figure out what the other 40-plus guns are doing in his possession and who they belong to and whether or not he’s even able to have them,” Cota said.

    The doves are all fine and well cared for (by a relative). Todd got into “all white birds” in the 1980s.

    He’d been leaving threatening messages and voicemail. There was finally the sound of the racking of a shotgun in one of the messages, and that got the authorities interested in the White (Power) Birdman of Huntington Beach.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Yarrow:
    Holy crap that’s a weird story. I hate it when Florida Man shows up here, but at least it’s Orange County. Along with the Nazi crap I can’t help notice the stars and bars.

    Here’s hoping he gets locked up and those rifles melted.

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    Shana says:

    @Betty Cracker: On a related note, I saw the other day that they’re still having the Kremlin Annex protests outside the WH. I think it said they were up to Day 128.

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    Dan B says:

    @Adam L Silverman: BA, Argentina: 72, partly cloudy.

    Must has moar kreeatife eckskewsez nowe! Melancholy runs (in heels..) and hides.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I’m from Chicago, but Chicago mix is downright disgusting. Ugh.

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    sm*t cl*de says:

    @smintheus:

    Anybody have suggestions about how to uninstall Siri from a Mac computer?

    I’m afraid I can’t let you do that, Dave

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    Corner Stone says:

    @sm*t cl*de: SIRI, open the pod bay doors.

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    Chris Johnson says:

    How is nobody seeing it, or at least saying it?

    Vlad shooting down AF1, my ass.

    They’re never coming back.

    They’re going home.

    The question is now whether Mueller has enough on Pence to take him out (and Ryan, etc), and how we will all ride out the insane seismic shock that’s about to hit. And THAT is Putin’s final blow to the Republic. Just as Mueller is ready to go public, this is about whisking Trump and the key traitors away, never to return… and gloating. Publically.

    I could be wrong but I’m calling it. (it will be interesting if I AM wrong, will be amusing to watch the shitshow unfold). In case I am not wrong, I’m calling it: Trump is gone. He’s gone home, with his handler (Melania of the red red trees, a nice touch) and his closest, most complicit family (his crooked traitor son-in-law and his beloved Ivanka).

    Anybody left behind is just fucked.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Chris Johnson: Man, that would be the sweetest ending I can imagine outside of orange jumpsuit perp walks. If they want to stay gone I will donate to whatever GoFundMe that pops up barring them from ever coming back.
    I honestly think the USA would breathe a big collective sigh of relief and just move the fuck on if your scenario held up.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Chris Johnson: This is a very tempting fantasy, but I very much doubt this is happening. Trump is bringing his family (his “things”, if you will) because he’s freaking out and needs people close to him to tell him how awesome he is.

    The thing here is that even with all these revelations, Republicans still support Trump/insist it’s a liberal plot… and he’s infected enough of the judiciary to have at least a shot in a court case. There’s no reason for him to bug out now.

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    tybee says:

    @Doug R: i knew some asshole would dredge that up. ;)

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @MisterForkbeard:

    TTrump is bringing his family (his “things”, if you will) because he’s freaking out and needs people close to him to tell him how awesome he is.

    This, if Trump was at wits end he would be making a lot more noise and pretty much be babbling about leaving.

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    ellie says:

    That Epstein story is a hard read. What a gross fucking pig. He needs to die in jail.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:
    That’s from the song that Paul Simon gave to Wilmer to use for his presidential campaign.

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