Another mass shooting, this time at a hospital:
A Chicago police officer was shot and multiple victims are reported in an active shooting situation near Chicago’s Mercy Hospital. Shots were fired both inside and outside the hospital.
It is not known how many people are injured from gunfire. At least one police officer is said to be in critical condition, and a man identified as a suspected shooter is also said to be injured. Details are limited.
I am waiting for Senator-elect Marcia Blackburn to ask who will pity the poor gun?
I recall it was not so long ago — perhaps just a day or two after the last mass shooting that briefly caught media attention — that the NRA told doctors that gun violence was none of their business, that ” “Someone should tell self-important anti-gun doctors to stay in their lane.”
Well, even if they wanted to (spoiler alert: they didn’t), the NRA’s brought their lane right up to and through the hospital door.
I’m aware that actually changing gun policy in the US will require changing what we might call “mainstream” gun culture. But this is your weekly — hell, in these times, too close to daily — reminder that while we try, gently, sweetly, to persuade our fellow citizens that gun fetishes kill, in the meantime the Tree of Fucking Liberty is going to get watered by the NRA’s sacrifices to Moloch.
And yeah — this latest shooting will have a day, maybe two to run in media attention, and then we will rinse, and too depressingly inevitably, repeat.
Improved your mood much? Sorry.
Image: Giuseppe Arcimboldo, Fire, 1566. Yup, I’ve used this one before. Still, sadly, on point.
TenguPhule
Ivanka Trump used a personal email account to send hundreds of emails about government business last year
Yutsano
It still amazes me how amazingly creative Renaissance painters could get.
As far as the shooting goes…I got nothin’. We already know Fox will blame Chicago thugs and Dolt45 will run with that regardless of the actual facts.
Corner Stone
@TenguPhule: Burn the witch!
Corner Stone
Wonder when FTFNYT will have their 17 front page A1 posts on Ivanka’s hilarious personal email situation?
Aleta
Acc. to Politico, some will be leaving this week.
TenguPhule
It’s true. Everything Trump touches, dies.
Corner Stone
Stackpath! CDN.com!
geg6
@Corner Stone:
For real. I want wall to wall coverage and articles about dark clouds hanging over her head. It’s all projection with these mother fuckers. LOCK HER UP!
TenguPhule
@Corner Stone:
Friday, but on A4 with cyryllic font in small print.
Schlemazel
NRA opens new branch office in Mercy Hospital
ht/t bartcop . . . RIP bart
Corner Stone
@Aleta:
They may be bored now but if they leave they’ll never get to experience the two minutes of sheer terror in combat with the dastardly caravan hordes.
Aleta
NRA’s propaganda: If you join us you won’t be one of our sacrificial victims. What an extortion racket. (And it’s not even a promise that comes true.)
chris
Pretty much daily.
Frankensteinbeck
Gun policy is one of the front lines of the liberal/conservative divide. Culture is not going to be changed. We can outvote them, or we can’t. I guess it’s possible their white anxiety primal scream will end, but there’s no sign of it.
Corner Stone
No, Ari Melber. Ivanka is not in a lot of hot water for her use of personal email to conduct WH business. No one gives a shit. Literally no one not named or married to a Clinton gives a shit. This will disappear in 6 hours, never to be spoken of again.
OzarkHillbilly
“Chicago has the strictest gun control laws in America and they didn’t stop this shooting!!!” in 3…2….1…
prostratedragon
Seems to have been a disappointed suitor, who shot his ex-fiance, who was an ER physician at Mercy arriving for her shift. The two of them are apparently the fatalities so far, but there have been no official statements yet.
Although Mercy has a solid emergency department, the wounded had to be taken to other ERs –just too much chaos. One of the wounded is a CPD officer, taken to UofC major trauma center that dedicated activists help force into being a year or so ago. An amazing caravan of at least 20 patrol cars, sirens blazing, escorted the ambulance down MLKing Dr, viewable from my apartment.
hilts
@TenguPhule:
More on asswipe Ivanka:
Ivanka Trump email investigation sparked by American Oversight FOIAs
h/t https://www.americanoversight.org/ivanka-emails
TenguPhule
@hilts: And I can predict the lesson Team Trump will learn from this.
“Don’t provide accurate information to anyone!”
JPL
Her dad uses his personal cell phone for business, so no one will care.
Patricia Kayden
It feels as if shootings aren’t even a story any more. You hear about them in bits and pieces and the world goes on. They’ve become normalized.
lamh36
Steeplejack
@TenguPhule, @Corner Stone:
I agree with geg6: “Lock her up!”
Corner Stone
@hilts: Time to shut down FOIAs. They don’t match the decorum level the WH expects from third parties.
chris
@Patricia Kayden: Thousand Oaks, CA. 13 people killed. 12 days ago. Mostly forgotten in the fire news.
Corner Stone
Man, if I ever met David French in person…I would certainly not buy him a coffee or a scone.
lamh36
Hands down may be my FAV result from the midterms!
I was rooting for her so much.
RIP Jordan Davis!!! Ya mama doing you and us proud!
gene108
@JPL:
Her dad’s personal cell phone is unsecured and his conversations are monitored by who knows how many countries and no one cares.
@Corner Stone:
Maybe, with luck, Dems in the House can subpoena Ivanka and grill her 11 hours straight – no bathroom breaks – on her email usage.
Then it would be a big deal and kept in the headlines, and Ari would have something to report about.
But I don’t think Dems have the balls to play that kind of politics though.
Mary G
@lamh36: Poor woman. I very much doubt that there were no signs of trouble before today. Getting serious about taking away guns when there has been domestic violence would help.
cain
It’s really frustrating to see this kind of shit with the emails. Because we know hte media will never put the kind of scrutiny they would put on Hilary or even another Democrat. I can’t fathom why it’s big news when Hillary does it but not when Ivanka does it. I goddam this woman has access to everything.. every fucking secret and she’s using her own private email? If it was such a concern before why isnit it now? I think it’s important that we simply keep pushing the media to ask the questions? Can’t we call these people up and demand to know what they are going to do about it now that hte same situation has come up?
lamh36
TenguPhule
The 42 most eye-popping lines from Donald Trump’s ‘Fox News Sunday’ interview
CNN has decided to stock up on snark when fact checking.
Cheryl from Maryland
American Gods — Vulcan is still worshipped through gun culture.
lamh36
cain
@gene108:
Everyone will care especially soldiers and what not when shit gets leaked and soldiers die. Or maybe not, because we can have a thousand Benghazii’s and nothing would matter. This shit only applies to Democrats.
lamh36
jl
@cain: In reality though, IIRC, one thing about HRC is that the final rules were not in place. Much of the what she supposedly did wrong was not getting with the new regs and approved procedures before they were in force. That is not the case for Ivanka.
Except I forget how much of what HRC supposedly did wrong was violation of Obama administration policies and guidelines, and what was permanent regs.
I guess I need to refresher on the whole business.
tokyokie
@Mary G: The woman worked her ass off to get good enough grades as an undergraduate to be accepted into a medical school, then worked her ass off in medical school, doing well enough to get an ER internship at a major urban hospital, choosing the most physically demanding medical specialty. And because she once had a relationship with an asshole, all the promise that her life held has been wiped out at the barrel of a gun.
Boy do I feel better knowing the NRA’s perverted reading of the 2nd Amendment has made this all possible.
Chris T.
We just need a line item on the evening news: “12 mass shootings today, up 3 from yesterday but down 5 from Monday a week ago.”
I would use a /s tag, but sadly, this isn’t even sarcasm.
Cheryl Rofer
And one dead and three injured in Denver. Seems to have just happened – I don’t have a good link.
Toxic masculinity and too many guns. We have to keep pushing back on both.
gene108
@cain:
I think the problem is Dems are just a lot more ethical in government than Republicans, especially when it comes to the Presidency.
Bush & Co used the RNC email system to communicate and when that came to light the server they used erased all their emails and “self destructed”. Would’ve been a bigger story, but the Iraq war was going badly, so it was relegated to a brief blurb here and there.
Sort of like how North Korea restarted their nuclear program after Bush & Co scrapped the Agreed Framework Clinton negotiated and Bush, Jr., in his State if the Union speech, named N. Korea as part of the Axis of Evil, wasn’t news because of 9/11 and the Iraq war. Then North Korea detonated a nuclear bomb and it’s still not major news because gas costs are sky high, the mortgage crisis starts revealing itself, and Iraq turns into a quagmire.
With Bill Clinton there were no abuses of executive power, despite the hounding. Obama ran a tight ship, with no ethical lapses.
So drummed up scandals and tan suits could jump out as headline dominating scandals.
CliosFanBoy
@Schlemazel: damn, I had forgotten all about Bartcop.
Corner Stone
@jl:
Being a woman, a Democrat or named Clinton. Choose any or all.
Ivanka will never answer a question about this.
Chetan Murthy
@Mary G: I agree with you, but it needs to go further. Taking away guns from wife-beaters and such, is useless when they’re so easily available to everybody else. Take all the fucking guns away [ok, ok, except single-shot bolt-action rifles and shotguns. *maybe* revolvers. *maybe*]. Or make it constructively feasible to attribute all damages from misused guns to the most-recent responsible party with sufficiently deep pockets to pay out.
lamh36
SMH…is Marcia Fudge really gone let this white man use her as a pawn in his game against Pelosi.
If this mofo want Pelosi gone so damn bad…why doesn’t he put his hat in the ring…naw…he wants to use the Black woman as pawn to jump of that ledge first…smh
prostratedragon
Ever since the Happy Land Social Club arson in Washington Heights around 1991 or so, I have known when the phrase “Fuck your feelings” is appropriate. Go sing a sad song or something.
Yarrow
@Corner Stone:
I’ve been wondering why Republicans haven’t shut down FOIA. Easier to get away with stuff when no one can see what you’re doing.
Duane
@Aleta: Every new gun creates another chance for violence. They’re no good for anything else. A gun gets stolen from a vehicle every other day where I live. The guns are out of control, and that has to change.
Schlemazel
@CliosFanBoy:
It is sad that so many of the things he was pointing out still ar a problem.
But the guy kept me sane during the Clinton years when I thought I was the last liberal in the world
gene108
@jl:
There were no solid regs about email use and data retention, when she took office. The secure blackberry NSA wanted her to use was a hot mess.
She took matters into her own hands to do the best she could at her job.
Only after she left office was a new rule put in place about data retention and maybe emails. She turned her emails over to a third party, who decided what was private and what was to be handed over.
Collin Powell and Condi Rice both used private e-mail accounts, while Sec of State to conduct business via AOL or Yahoo or whatever email service they had. But I am not sure, if they bothered to retain all their emails.
Republicans know how to push bullshit via investigations into the dominant stories of the day, weeks, months and years. It is like a special treat for the political media, and they have a Pavlovian reponse to dutifully and uncritically repeat what Republicans want repeated, so that is why we are where we are.
prostratedragon
Dr. Tamara E. O’Neal, formerly of Ann Arbor. Her condition is not announced, so maybe she has survived after all.
cain
oh lovely, two mass shootings in two different cities at the same time.
cain
@jl:
So in her case the final regs were in and she’s in complete violation I would think. Or did they change the rules?
Thoughtful David
I saw BC’s post just below about the miserable experience of having to do business at some unnamed government agency. Not criticizing BC, just see an important point to make.
I’d like to point out that people gripe, but don’t realize that all of those miserable hours waiting at the DMV or wherever can also be laid right at the doorstep of fucking Republicans. The bad customer service you get at the DMV or HHS or wherever is almost entirely attributable to not having enough money to give good service, which can be attributed to tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts everywhere all the time. The folks at the DMV are mostly underpaid (yeah, they probably make more than minimum wage, but it’s not enough for the job they’re doing) and are understaffed like hell. The customers have to wait for 1 or 2 hours and then gripe the staff out for having had to wait, and it isn’t the staff’s fault. So they, in turn, as a response to getting griped out for something they can’t control, turn surly. It’s not right, but it’s human nature. So then everyone is unhappy.
Just imagine a little though experiment: What if you increased the staff 12x so that instead of a 1 hour wait it was only 5 minutes, and you paid the staff $100 per hour, so they were happy to be there. (Remember, it’s a thought experiment.) I imagine that the staff would be happy and the customers would be happy and people wouldn’t complain about going to the DMV.
So what’s the difference between my little thought experiment and the current reality? Money. Money to hire more staff and to pay them adequately what they’re worth.
Yes, you’d have to pay a bit more taxes. And the godsdamned Republicans have cut federal and state and county budgets deep into the bone. But you get what you pay for. Always.
cain
@prostratedragon:
I hope she pulls through. After what that asshole did to her… Really sad about the other people shot. I hope there is no death toll.
TenguPhule
@cain:
IOKIYAR.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@TenguPhule:
Then how do you explain any of his wives, huh, libturd? //
Chetan Murthy
@jl: It needs to be restated every time “butter emailz” comes up, that
(a) her mail server was vetted by WJC’s secret service detail
(b) There’s NO evidence it was ever hacked
(c) the Dept of State system she was “supposed” to use, WAS definitively hacked
Her use of a private server almost certainly saved -some- emails from being taken by hackers.
Juice Box
Ari Melber said tha HRC had “top secret” emails on her server. She did not. Her classified mail remained on the classified systme. Only unclassified mail and some retroactively confidential email was on her personal server.
TenguPhule
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
Zombies. Robot Zombies.
Chetan Murthy
@TenguPhule: @??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: Uh, no. “small mushroom”. Extremely, extremely small mushroom. Hence, no evidence he actually (ahem) “touched” them. Probably IVF.
lamh36
ah…duh!
lamh36
lamh36
Brickley Paiste
There are something like 100 or 200 people killed in the US each year in mass shootings.
There are about 50 people killed by lighting and 800 or so people kill by becoming tangled in bedsheets.
And, what, about 140,000 people die from overdoses.
Baud
@Juice Box: Yep. Straight up lie.
Baud
And that, my friends, is why they call it whataboutism.
Mnemosyne
Of course it was domestic violence. Of course it was. Fuck.
rikyrah
@lamh36:
Tell it, lamh.
Corner Stone
@Brickley Paiste:
Do you mean their Instagram channels are virtually killed because of bad makeup or poor lighting when they post?
Mnemosyne
@lamh36:
That footage is from a silent Buster Keaton movie called The General, and they really did burn a full-size bridge and crash a full-size train into the Row River near Cottage Grove, OR.
Sadly, the Confederates are the heroes of the movie, as was common in the very racist 1920s. Sigh. ?
Gin & Tonic
@Brickley Paiste:
Link?
Schlemazel
@Brickley Paiste:
and the one thing you can count on is that the GOP will do nothing to try to prevent any of it
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Schlemazel: They certainly won’t pay for good lighting.
Mnemosyne
@Brickley Paiste:
Oh, look, the blood-gargling NRA apologist has shown up to bathe in the blood of the latest shooting victims.
By the way, the Gun Violence Archive has 12,924 deaths listed so far for 2018, with 314 of those killed in mass shootings, so your numbers are very much off. Try getting them from reliable sources and not other gun-huggers.
Gin & Tonic
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Remember when they were hoarding incandescent bulbs for some damn fool reason?
Jay
@Baud:
?????
hueyplong
At least the made-up numbers give me some small hope that B Paste might expire in a hail of bedsheets.
Jay
@Mnemosyne:
??????
TenguPhule
@Gin & Tonic:
You mean the “Energy Efficient Lightbulbs are dimmer then the old fashioned kind” conspiracy theory?
hueyplong
@Mnemosyne: You sure that’s not 314 mass shootings, which would be a lot more than 314 deaths in mass shootings?
Mnemosyne
@hueyplong:
You may be right — their table is slightly confusing on that point.
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org
Schlemazel
@Mnemosyne:
512 dead 1055 wounded not counting todays NRA extravaganza
and that is just from events with 4 or more victims. The Las Vegas event made last year a real memorable one. So far ~12,000 dead from gun violence this year
Chetan Murthy
@Brickley Paiste: Here, asshole, have some pie. AGAIN. I remember when I pied you the last time. Sadly it didn’t stick.
chris
https://massshootingtracker.org/
Mnemosyne
@hueyplong:
There’s another website, Mass Shooting Tracking (.org) that has a chart by month breaking down the number of deaths vs injuries. So, you are correct — the number of deaths since January 2018 is actually 482. My bad for not reading the note properly on the other website.
Jay
@hueyplong:
It’s mass shootings, not mass shooting victims.
And it’s as of November 8th.
Gun Violence Archive does not keep a running tally if dead and wounded,
But it’s way over 2500 dead and 11,000 wounded for 2018 so far.
A Good Woman
CPD Supervisor holding a press conference now. Female doctor accosted by armed subject. They knew each other. Subject shot female, police arrived, gunshots fired. Subject ran into the hospital, more gunfire. Female staff member shot and killed (believed to be a pharmaceutical assistant), police officer shot and killed, subject dead (unknown if shot by police or self inflicted). Police officer recently came off probation. Total of 4 dead.
trollhattan
@Schlemazel:
We all know pretzels are the Real Killers.
Always remember: gunz are a right, voting is a privilege.
Ladyraxterinok
@chris: Has there also been a shooting in Denver today?
chris
One is… amused.
chris
@Ladyraxterinok: Yes, the tracker takes a while to update.
Brantl
I think we should try a backwards approach for a while: let’s start talking about “explosive’s safety” the same way that the gun-nuts talk about “gun safety” (which for them is non-existent). “Explosives don’t kill people, people kill people. Everyone has a right to explosives, am I right?”
tobie
@Chetan Murthy: If I can piggy-back on your list, I would just add that HRC never sent any classified material on her server. The material was retroactively classified when the conservative muckraking group Judicial Watch requested her emails through an FOIA. Please media, please liberal think tank: request Jarvanka’s govt emails on their private accounts. I bet they will come back heavily redacted. We need to call them on it. This would be poetic justice.
Chetan Murthy
@tobie: *Indeed*. IIRC, it wasn’t even stuff she *sent*, but rather, stuff she *received* from her colleagues and reports, and *resent* (long email chains, wot).
Matt McIrvin
@Chetan Murthy: The Russians were clever to realize that when Trump asked them to find “the missing emails”, they didn’t actually have to find any emails from the private server (which of course they couldn’t get)–anything the newspapers could vaguely call a “Clinton email” would be close enough to please the Republicans and damage Hillary Clinton. And to this day, I doubt most people know that they weren’t from that server.
Darkrose
@Thoughtful David: I’ve never had a bad DMV experience in the Sacramento area. That’s because nearly everything is online. If you need something that has to be done in person, you make an appointment online. It works because the state actually put resources into building a robust website that works pretty well. It makes life easier for both employees and customers.
Darkrose
@lamh36: So maybe Dems need to back off on trying to “win back” Trump-Obama voters? Whoda thunk!
WaterGirl
@lamh36: Rage is washing over me. I wish I knew what to do with it.
WaterGirl
@lamh36: God these fuckers really hate women. They are fucking cowards.
Redshift
No. “Gun culture” is a lie, it was made up to make guns something we couldn’t criticize, because it was their “culture,” not something they choose to do.
The vast majority of us have always had a “gun-free culture,” and we should be allowed to preserve that without interference from the ammosexuals.
mad citizen
Another sad day of gun violence–I keep wondering when the women will take over, with the realization that it’s MEN doing 99/100 shootings, etc. We call it cost causation in my field.
Anyway, the trivial things I feel like commenting on are: 1) Man, isn’t time to get rid of the stupid turkey pardoning thing by the President. I’d like to think that the time we collectively don’t spend on that would be better used for something else; and 2) Man, isn’t it time do away with the White House Correspondent’s Dinner? It was never a good idea, but once it started appearing on C-Span and whatnot, it just showed the incestuous relationship between the white house press and the white house. It’s unseemly, regardless of which party sits in the white house.
Redshift
@lamh36:
Because he knows he’d lose.
Their entire “rebellion” is so idiotic. I’ll be glad in a few weeks when it dies with a whimper.
Kayla Rudbek
@WaterGirl: toxic masculinity goes back at least to the Middle Ages, if not the ancient Greeks.