More craziness from the Republican candidate in the Mississippi race:
U.S. Sen. Cindy Hyde-Smith accepted a donation from Peter Sieve, a businessman in Washington state known for his white supremacist views, just days after a video published by Bayou Brief surfaced in which she says she would be “on the front row” if a supporter invited her to “a public hanging.”
#Zieve donated $2,700, the max donation an individual can make, to Hyde-Smith’s campaign on Nov. 14. Progressive newsletter Popular Info first reported the donation, which came three days progressive blogger Lamar White published the video on the Bayou Brief on Nov. 11.
Give to the Democrat Mike Espy here:
There are more postcards to write at Postcard Patriots for this race and two others, SoS in Georgia and LA.
You can also give to John Barrow running for SoS in Georgia.
You can give to Gwen Collins-Greenup, running for SoS in LA.
Martin
We really need to make sure that “Things have changed in the south.” doesn’t go down the memory hole of clueless and dangerous conservative ideas. Roberts should have to wear that every day until he’s in the ground.
germy
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/ocasio-cortez-backs-pelosi
gwangung
@germy: Saw that last night. Gave me a little chuckle when I posted it against some diehard anti-Pelosi twits.
Very pragmatic on AOC’s part. (And it’d be what I say or do).
Cheryl from Maryland
Come on Mike! I have 20 postcards in his support to complete and mail today!
eddie blake
was at a postcard event for espy in manhattan last night. it was pretty neat.
MazeDancer
PostCards for Mike need to be in the mail by last pick-up tomorrow.
Or as Kamala said to Picard, “Light years away”.
PostCards for Gwen and John you can do over Thanksgiving. With the right group, can be a fun thing while waiting for the turkey to finish.
Have to say, watching Cindy Hyde-Smith’s nausea inducing Bull Connor review was more than a little triggering for this child of the South.
They must be stopped. What could be more inspiring for contributions and stepping up and using one of the best tools we have to get voters to the polls – PostCards – than stopping racism?
Donate. Get a few addresses. You’ll be thankful you did.
PostCardPatriots.com
The Dangerman
BOO Bayou?
Can’t we hire a whole pile of these “real Americans ” to come rake our Forests? The real manly men can rake the cliff areas.
Anon
Off-topic: I just learned that my abuser boyfriend from when I was 18-19 is dead. Dee ee ay ee, dead. I feel a thrill of relief and even gladness every time I think about it.
Jay C
I realize that it’s probably an inaccurate stereotype, but the notion that the average Republican voter in Mississippi is going to either know or care about Cindy Hyde-Smith’s dubious donors is, IMO, naive. That she has the magic rune of approval (R) by her name is likely to be the main determining factor for their votes, despite any other factor.
The Moar You Know
Congrats. It seems to happen to a lot of them, unfortunately never soon enough.
Amir Khalid
@Anon:
Since you don’t seem to be mourning his death, I won’t offer you condolences. I think it’s quite understandable to feel relieved and happy that he has passed. I hope you have no guilt about these feelings.
WaterGirl
@Jay C: This is likely to be about turning out Democrats and Independents and people who would be appalled by these stories, as opposed to convincing hard-core Rs to vote for a D.
Doug!
@The Dangerman:
Yeah because one of the outlets that reported on this had bayou in its name.
germy
@The Dangerman:
O.T., but your nym reminds me that lately my local antenna TV station has been showing old episodes of “Danger Man” starring Patrick McGoohan.
TenguPhule
@Martin:
What makes you think the ground would have him?
Yutsano
@Jay C: @WaterGirl: I forgot where I saw the calculation, but if Espy gets at least 18% of the white vote in Mississippi he’ll win. Something like this can push independents and even some moderate Rs into his column. But oh man a visit from Barack would do wonders here.
TenguPhule
What’s the matter with NC?
sigh.
MazeDancer
Gwen Collins-Greenup has a remarkable story.
She’s been in public service for about 20 years. And she and the GOP “incumbent” both got about 20% of the vote, thus, a runoff.
Her campaign had a budget of under 2K. And the LA Dems didn’t want her. But their guy lost. Gwen used good old-fashioned shoe leather.
The GOP “incumbent” had been appointed in the Spring because the actual SoS had to resign due to sexual harassment charges.
Learned about Gwen from the person who ran “Rock the Midterms” site and now has RocktheRunoffs.com. And started emailing and phoning Gwen, to no avail, right away. But RocktheRunoffs badgered Gwen into getting an ActBlue account. (I did a little email pushing, too)
Eventually, bought a voter list at the LA SoS site. Strangely, the single best online voter list site have ever seen. Our list is Women Dems who voted in 2018 in Jefferson Parrish. Which is in Cedric Richmond’s district. 3.3k names, 30 bucks.
Despite their nicely organized online purchasing, we want a Dem running the election show in Louisiana. My parents lived in New Orleans for 20 years. (Big time GOP.) Let’s just say corruption is not unknown in LA. Gwen is a lawyer and a preacher.
Mnemosyne
@gwangung:
It’s pretty much the least surprising announcement ever, but it still makes me happy. AOC is smart enough to realize that Pelosi is much more open to progressive causes than the more conservative Democrats trying to replace her. She is, after all, a lifelong San Francisco liberal no matter what the dead-enders try to claim.
@Anon:
Phew! It must be a relief to have that weight off your mind. You’re probably going to still have some feelings to work through and process, but it’s going to be a LOT easier now that he’s no longer a potential threat.
Ridnik Chrome
@Martin:
“Dangerous”, yes. “Clueless”, no. Roberts knew exactly what he was doing.
TenguPhule
Republicans continue to stand by their man to the bitter end.
TenguPhule
Since Trump never eats any vegetables, this was a good idea to try and keep him from eating them.
TenguPhule
Day ending in Y.
Jeffro
@TenguPhule: Go for it, GOP! Hold onto that anvil all. the. way. dowwwwwn.
TenguPhule
@Jeffro: I’m so old I remember when Republicans on cable news would lose their shit at the idea of attacking a military officer for speaking their mind.
Chyron HR
@TenguPhule:
“By us, just now.”
Jeffro
Btw file this under “everything Trumpov touches turns to shit” – even quiet Ben Carson can’t escape the touch of Shit Midas: Detroit Board of Ed votes to rename Ben Carson High School.
Not that y’all care, GOP, but seriously – you’re even getting your blessed NAMES TAKEN OFF OF PUBLIC SCHOOL BUILDINGS JUST FOR ASSOCIATING WITH THIS IMMORAL MORON.
Please let them re-name it after Obama, pleeeeeease FSM?!?
TenguPhule
White House vs Acosta. Round 2.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@TenguPhule:
So being critical of Trump at some point in the past means someone can’t be “non-political”, if such a thing is possible? That’s a pretty low bar. I don’t think McRaven had any control on being on a “shortlist” for Clinton, either.
TenguPhule
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
It means he is an enemy of the people, where people are defined as Trump or one of his minions.
TenguPhule
@Chyron HR:
The ink has yet to dry.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
Wouldn’t that also technically make him an enemy of the state?
TenguPhule
If this is anything other then symbolic, I want all of their scalps. No, I’m not being metaphorical.
The whip needs to be cracking. We do not need this shit.
14 Democratic votes are the maximum that can go maximum stupid without endangering the Speakership.
Get on the phone and blister their fucking ears. These assholes can hang together with the rest of the caucus or they will damn well HANG SEPARATELY and this is not hyperbole.
sm*t cl*de
@TenguPhule:
If that word “reportedly” were doing any more work, it would be singing “Pick a Bale of Cotton”.
geg6
@Anon:
That’s how I felt when I found out the guy who raped me died. At first, I was appalled at myself (oh, that liberal empathy!). And then I kind of did a little dance and laughed and cried and laughed some more. It’s weird how it makes you feel, but ultimately, it feels good.
TenguPhule
Its going to be one of those days.
TenguPhule
@sm*t cl*de:
Well played. Now I need to get a snort full of tea out of my nose.
tobie
@TenguPhule: What is up with the water in New York? Three of the 16 pledging to oppose Pelosi come from the state: Brindisi (just elected), Max Rose (just elected) and Kathleen Rice (re-elected). Rice’s district is not a swing district, so there’s no excuse for this.
TenguPhule
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@TenguPhule:
I don’t get it. If they’re worried about losing election in two years, I doubt voters are going to remember or give a shit about this vote. These morons have either bought into R framing re: Pelosi or they’re asshole true believers with a dash of misogyny.
TenguPhule
@tobie: I have no idea. The letter just came out with 16 Democrat signatures on it. If this is just theatre, its annoying but livable. But all of them better fall into line fast because we don’t need this shit.
TenguPhule
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
15 fucked up votes means the Republicans could retain the speakership of the House.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@TenguPhule:
Would calling their offices telling them to cut this shit out, have any effect?
Tim Ryan is my congressman and the only time I called his office, to thank him for voting against ACA repeal, the man answering the phone sounded annoyed that he had to take my call. Granted, he could have been having a bad day, but that doesn’t excuse acting that way towards a constituent.
TenguPhule
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
It couldn’t hurt. They need to know their voters didn’t put them in office for this kind of petty stupid shit when the Republic is collapsing.
Mnemosyne
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
Note that 14 out of the 16 are men. But this has nothing to do with misogyny, no sirree! ?
MazeDancer
Absolutely. It’s like any vote your rep might have. You get to express an opinion.
Also, anyone who wrote PostCards for Abigail Spanberger who now feels betrayed by her stupidity, here is her transitional mailing address. Feel free to send her a PostCard and set her straight.
Abigail Spanberger
P.O. Box 3121, Glen Allen, VA 23058
Barbara
@TenguPhule: Until they have a candidate for speaker who could get a majority I view this letter as an opening salvo in the effort to get something else.
Barbara
@MazeDancer: That would include me. I will write to her.
jl
I heard Trump this morning and I finally understood how lucky we are to have him as president. He said so himself. Trump could have caught bin Laden sooner than Obama and done health care reform better too, handled the economy better than Bill Clinton, won WWII better than FDR and Eisenhower, established the post-WWII international order than Truman, done social insurance and solved the Depression better than FDR, tamed Robber Barons better than Teddy Roosevelt, he is more popular than Lincoln, he could have solved the Civil War better than Andrew Jackson(!?), established precedents for lasting democratic governance better than Washington. Hamilton was never president, but Trump could have done the money better too. For example, all the money would have pix of Trump on them.
Aleta
@Anon: Very glad to hear this.
jacy
@MazeDancer:
Arduon — the douchebag who is acting Sec State is actually running on a platform of blocking automatic and same-day voter registration. That WHY he says people should vote for him. Gosh, but I hate living in the South.
jl
Trump is also a philosopher. Few people know this. What can we really, really, know? Only philosophers think about things like that. Is the earth flat or a globe-like thingy? Do bears shit in the woods, do we really know that’s true? Is the sun hot? Is it shiny because of nuclear fusion due to the immense gravitation, or because it is burning clean coal (which has been washed right after they take it out of the ground), or because it is reflecting the greatness and glory that is Trump?
Does Trump have an asshole? If so, where is it? If there is one, what comes out of it? So much we just don’t know.
Trump is innovative and revolutionary in his thinking. For example, if a known bald face liar tells me stuff over and over again that will get him out of trouble, I never would have thought of believing him. Trump pushed the envelope of what we know, can know, should know, will know!
FlipYrWhig
@jl: You can tell how well he’d handle all those crises because of how well he’s handled hurricanes, shootings, walking on inclined surfaces, and the prospect of getting wet.
Mnemosyne
@Barbara:
Their supposed candidate for Speaker, Marcia Fudge, declined to sign their letter.
I’m assuming that some wheeling and dealing will be going on behind the scenes to change these votes, and I’m guessing that the Republicans are calling them to try and get them to switch parties, too.
jl
WP ate my second peon (sp???) to Trump, But the critics and losers on this blog need to know, so I am posting it again. Or maybe the Deep State is censoring the truth about Trump in the internet.
Trump is also a philosopher. Few people know this. What can we really, really, know? Only philosophers think about things like that. Is the earth flat or a globe-like thingy? Do bears shit in the woods, do we really know that’s true? Is the sun hot? Is it shiny because of nuclear fusion due to the immense gravitation, or because it is burning clean coal (which has been washed right after they take it out of the ground), or because it is reflecting the greatness and glory that is Trump?
Does Trump have an a hole? If so, where is it? If there is one, what comes out of it? So much we just don’t know.
Trump is innovative and revolutionary in his thinking. For example, if a known bald face liar tells me stuff over and over again that will get him out of trouble, I never would have thought of believing him. Trump pushes the envelope of what we know, can know, should know, will know!
Gravenstone
@TenguPhule: Funny how no one seems to be mentioning W and his merry band of morons actively intervening to let OBL slip away at Tora Bora….
Mnemosyne
@MazeDancer:
I need to check and see how many postcards and stamps I have left. I think I may have 10.
jl
@Gravenstone: Trump would have been better at letting OBL slip away at Tora Bora.
TenguPhule
@Gravenstone:
Everyone knows Clinton was immediately followed by Obama. //s
Dorothy A. Winsor
Some days I can read the stupid things Trump says and maybe even find them darkly amusing. Some days I can’t. This is one of the days I can’t.
jl
@TenguPhule: Is that link an actual news report, or some BS ‘Democrats in Disarray’ ‘analysis’ thinkpiece? It seems to be some entry in something called the ‘Power Post’. It quotes some of the moderate to center-right, who Dems oppose Pelosi, spouting BS.
I read things that look more like real news reports that Fudge is in talks with Pelosi, the majority of the new progressives have a deal to support Pelosi, and Abigail Spanberger has been putting out conflicting statements, so maybe looking for a way to get out of her unwise pledge.
If the negotiations between Pelosi and Fudge work, there is no credible candidate. Moderate and center-righters have challenged Pelosi before and failed. I read a news report that Tim Ryan nobly offered his ass up as an alternative, and it seems to have made such a huge impact, and been such a great success, that I didn’t see it mentioned in the Power Post link.
Mnemosyne
@Gravenstone:
W is only useful to them working behind the scenes as he did to get the Kavanaugh nomination through. He’s always been a dirty trickster at heart, so he prefers that anyway.
Mnemosyne
@jl:
There are 16 House Democrats who signed a letter saying they would not vote for Pelosi. Seems like a pretty dumb move on their parts, but they went and did it. Images of the letter are online.
Haroldo
@MazeDancer:
I’ve been calling Seth Moulton’s office. They are polling. They are also saying, ‘The Congressman feels it’s time for new leadership.’ Telling them that the effective result of this nonsense is electing a Republican Speaker is not a bad tack to take. It might register.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Mnemosyne:
W is still a piece of shit, for helping push Kavanaugh through, even if Trump is worse in other respects.
TenguPhule
@jl:
Its not a think piece any more. Letter just came out with their fucking signatures on it opposing Pelosi as speaker.
Miss Bianca
@germy: Good for her, and I mean that most sincerely.
tobie
Tim Ryan’s big backer in the media was Krystal Ball, who formed some PAC with him after her own cable career seemed to crash and burn. Out of curiosity I just checked out her twitter account. She’s all-in on Ojeda. My, oh my.
TenguPhule
@jl: If exactly 16 Democrats abstain from voting for Pelosi in January, Republicans retain control of the House Speakership.
jl
@Mnemosyne: I understand that, and didn’t deny it in my comment. I posted link with various lists of the positions of those who will be in the new Congress a few days ago. I just noted that I am not sure that link is an actual news report, and as an analysis it seems incomplete and inaccurate to me.
Haroldo
@Barbara:
Yeah….a Republican Speaker.
jl
@TenguPhule: OK thanks, I wasn’t aware of the new letter. I’ll go look later when I have time.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Mnemosyne:
Funny how that works. I imagine that conservatives in the Dem party would tend to be men anyway.
I despise Tim Ryan, who I only voted for in the general because he has a D after his name. I left the race in the primary blank. He had no credible/sane challengers. He needs to accept the fact that he’s a backbencher and always will be. He’s never going to be anything other than a US Congressman in a safe district due to Ohio Republican gerrymandering.
Miss Bianca
@TenguPhule: y’know, I hate to have to say this, but the only thing that is going to wake some of these anti-vaxxers up is if kids start dying in significant numbers again from some of these “harmless” diseases. And maybe not even then.
Aleta
Using the all-purpose ‘message of change’ as the reason for their particular ambitions is such bs.
Dems won on specific messages that they don’t mention, since it wouldn’t support their publicity campaign for themselves. Anti-discrimination, competency, toughness and politically intelligent fight skills, for example.
Their slogan ‘message of change’ could just as easily serve the idea that their sexist, self-serving operation should be drummed out of Congress.
TenguPhule
@Miss Bianca:
It works about 73% of the time.
TenguPhule
@Aleta:
Unfortunately we need 96% of them to vote for Pelosi or Republicans keep the speakership.
Aleta
@TenguPhule: Yeah I know. We have to fight back on their same-old political lie that change justifies whatever.
Anon
@The Moar You Know: @Amir Khalid: @geg6: @Mnemosyne: Thank you all for your kind thoughts. I live, sing, and dance!
jl
@TenguPhule: Saw the letter. Seems like mostly the usual moderate, center-right, and generally confused, suspects who have opposed Pelosi before, and failed. The way I read it, it is not a pledge to vote against her on the floor, but a general promise to ‘vote for new leadership’. Exactly when, how and where is unspecified.
Fudge’s name is not on it, and she’s not mentioned. No mention of an alternative candidate, though the non-entity Tim Ryan signed it I don’t see any big names from the new progressives in Congress, but then, I read a news report that they have made a deal with Pelosi. Did these goofballs even think of trying to deal with the new progressives? Did they have anything at all to offer? I doubt it.
So, far, it looks to me like this is a rerun of previous moderate, center-right, and confused goofball failed attempts to unseat Pelosi.
TenguPhule
@jl:
The difference is that this time their votes actually matter. We had enough of a margin for their errors last round.
This time every vote counts.
Fair Economist
@TenguPhule: If 16 Democrats vote *for* the Republican we have a Republican Speaker. If they abstain we still have Pelosi (abstainers don’t count). If they vote for Fudge or don’t vote at all, we have a hung Speaker vote (give or take a vote or two, as some elections are still not settled).
Pelosi can be elected Speaker with up to about 35 abstentions, depending on how the remaining races shake out, as long as the abstainers actually vote “present”. She has to have more votes than McCarthy, and a majority of Representatives who don’t vote “present”. Absent and non-voting members count for setting the size of the majority. This seems odd, but is important to prevent the possibility of a “coup” when members are absent.
TenguPhule
@Fair Economist:
If they abstain the Republicans have a one vote majority.
Right now we’re projected to have a 16 vote majority on our side.
Amir Khalid
@jl:
The word you want is paean. Peon is an entirely different word.
Joseph A. Miller
@TenguPhule: The majority would be more than 16. If we have 234 and they have 201, we would actually hold a 33 seat margin over the Rethugs. The 16 figure cited would be 16 MORE than the 218 required for majority.