I Hate Illinois NAZIs!

From The Chicago Tribune:

The long-shot candidacy of a Holocaust denier’s Republican bid for Congress was defeated Tuesday, but not before the neo-Nazi received more than 56,000 votes in Illinois’ 3rd District.

As expected, incumbent U.S Rep. Dan Lipinski cruised to victory with just under 75 percent of the unofficial vote tally in the Democratic stronghold that stretches from the city’s Southwest Side to the west and south suburbs.

With a little over 99 percent of precincts reporting, Lipinski received 155,940 votes compared with Jones’ 56,350 The results may not include all early voting tallies.

Obligatory!

Open thread!

200 replies
  1. 1
    Anonymous At Work says:

    I prefer SNL Weekend Update on the march. “We will gladly twist any of them into the shape of a swastika at no charge.”

    ReplyReply
  2. 2
    NobodySpecial says:

    There’s that number again, or just about.

    ReplyReply
  3. 3
    different-church-lady says:

    @NobodySpecial:The rule is when you hit .5 you round upward.

    ReplyReply
  4. 4
    A Ghost To Most says:

    @NobodySpecial: Margin of error.

    I hate Illinois nazis.

    ReplyReply
  5. 5
    Butch says:

    Is there any post-election polling – that many votes simply because there’s an R next to his name or do they actually support a Nazi? I’m fearing it’s the latter.

    ReplyReply
  6. 6
    Meyerman says:

    Illinois was Tyrone’s original example. So of course it’s that number.

    ReplyReply
  7. 7
    Cacti says:

    27%

    ReplyReply
  8. 8

    The long-shot candidacy of a Holocaust denier’s Republican bid for Congress was defeated Tuesday, but not before the neo-Nazi received more than 56,000 votes in Illinois’ 3rd District.

    As is natural for a movement founded on racism, the more they’re outnumbered, the more insane Republicans get. As we are discovering, the truly scary part is that the process reaches diminishing returns and ‘burn it all down’ open white supremacy right around the point where they feel the population is 50/50.

    ReplyReply
  9. 9
    Dupe1970 says:

    @NobodySpecial: Yup. The crazification factor.

    ReplyReply
  10. 10
    p.a. says:

    Horrifying how little it has taken to incentivize them to crawl out from under their rocks. Our fellow citizens. Feh.

    ReplyReply
  11. 11
    The Moar You Know says:

    Round up and you’ve got that magic number.

    This jibes with something I’ve observed about people in general: about 1 in 4 are unbearable, stupid people with zero impulse control, and that group just happens to be the source of most of society’s ills.

    ReplyReply
  12. 12
    Yarrow says:

    Open thread? This story is somewhat related to Nazis or at least white supremacists. A few days ago I somehow clicked through and read this Politico magazine piece on the rise and fall of Ken Sorenson, a former Tea Party star in Iowa. He ended in up prison. It’s a fascinating piece, amazingly personal about his experience with the prison industrial complex and how it changed his views on criminal justice (I know, I know, conservatives only see it when it happens to them).

    What was most interesting to me was the insight into Ron Paul’s machine and the rest of the conservative/Republican complex in Iowa and how it’s really just all about making money.

    When the NRTWC cabal offered its services, promising entrée into the Paul grassroots powerhouse, he signed up. “It was Ron Paul Inc. and it was a cash cow,” Sorenson says. “They called it ‘running program.’ They would go find candidates, like me, and promise to ‘take care of you’ and help build a network in your state. … They travel around, they teach operative training classes, they use guerilla-style politics in state races. Then those networks are used to prop up their fictitious groups. They build out their email lists, they send out surveys and letters and requests for money to fight on issues, and it turns into a money-making machine.”

    Sorenson traveled around meeting with potential congressional challengers, “running program” for the NRTWC. His duty was to talk them into their races, to promise that Ron Paul Inc. would take care of them. He recalls two targets in particular: Lee Bright, a state lawmaker in South Carolina; and Steve Stockman, a Texas congressman. Both went on to challenge incumbent Republican senators in 2014 primaries—Lindsey Graham and John Cornyn, respectively—and both got demolished. Their defeats only helped grow the Paul machine. “It’s a shell game,” Sorenson says. “They know these guys aren’t going to win. They’re making money off the races because of the email lists.”

    We know this stuff is happening. I just hadn’t read it all laid out like this. There’s plenty more on how much it costs to get an endorsement, how people are protected and given jobs, how fake businesses are set up to funnel money. It’s kind of amazing to see it all out there.

    ReplyReply
  13. 13
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Yarrow: You really don’t want me to tell you where some of the seed money for Ron Paul’s activities comes from.

    ReplyReply
  14. 14
    Yarrow says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I know already.

    ReplyReply
  15. 15
    Spanky says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Well, it’s in rubles, so ….

    ReplyReply
  16. 16
    debbie says:

    Even Tennessee is more honest in dealing with its Nazis than Illinois.

    ReplyReply
  17. 17
    efgoldman says:

    every body asleep/

    ReplyReply
  18. 18
    Yarrow says:

    This is a great thread:

    My dad’s first memory is hiding under a table 80 years ago tonight, when Nazis took his dad to Dachau on #Kristallnacht.— Michael Grunwald (@MikeGrunwald) November 9, 2018

    Click through for the whole thing.

    Michael Grunwald
    @MikeGrunwald

    Anyway I’m not very religious but I’m very fucking Jewish. I think a lot of Jews feel like that. And we notice there are still Nazis. END

    ReplyReply
  19. 19
    TenguPhule says:

    @NobodySpecial:

    There’s that number again, or just about.

    Exactly 27% of Hawaii’s voters went for the charismatic Trump supporter running for governor in Hawaii.

    ReplyReply
  20. 20
    TenguPhule says:

    @efgoldman:

    every body asleep/

    Feeling alright?

    ReplyReply
  21. 21
    Yarrow says:

    @efgoldman: Hey! How are you doing?

    ReplyReply
  22. 22
    TenguPhule says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    This jibes with something I’ve observed about people in general: about 1 in 4 are unbearable, stupid people with zero impulse control, and that group just happens to be the source of most of society’s ills.

    There’s an obvious solution to that. But I think we’re still honoring human rights in this country so its probably unworkable.

    ReplyReply
  23. 23
    efgoldman says:

    every body asleep/@TenguPhule: fingers do.t work

    ReplyReply
  24. 24
    Yarrow says:

    2020 will effectively be decided by six states/two battlegrounds:

    Rust belt: MI, PA, WI
    Sun belt: AZ, FL, NC

    You can make a case for ME/MN/NV/NH but the other 40 states pretty much need not apply.
    — Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) November 9, 2018

    If Dems are winning GA/TX, they’ve already won. New reality: CO/VA aren’t swing states; they’re solid blue states. IA/OH aren’t swing states; they’re solid red states.— Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) November 9, 2018

    Sorry, Iowans and Ohioans. Sucks to live in a red state.

    ReplyReply
  25. 25
    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    Sort of OT I just witnessed one of those Things You Can’t Do While Black incidents.

    The Philly library has a cool thing in their business center with free head shots. So I showed up today at the start time, and they told me to take a seat behind “a couple of people ahead of you.” There was one, a young black guy (I’m 60, “young” is pretty broadly defined but I’ll say early 30s). He’s on his phone, I’m on mine. He’s well dressed and carrying a change of outfit, as am I.

    After about 15 minutes a security guard comes in (white, 25 ish) and accosts him. Gives him some spiel about how he can’t sit there, the library is for people who are reading or on the computers. The guy waits for Security to wind down then quietly says “I’m waiting for a head shot.”

    The Security guard to his credit says ok and immediately leaves. But I couldn’t pick my jaw up off the ground. That guard came from outside the room. Somebody called Security! Somebody in this small, sparsely-populated room! On Head Shot Friday!

    The other guy shrugged it off but I’m still worrying at it like my Beagle destroying a toy I just bought him which cost $13 and didn’t last 10 freaking minutes before there was stuffing all over the… sorry, where was I?

    ReplyReply
  26. 26

    Speaking of the Blues Brothers, our Elwood the former stray has a mass near his heart that’s making breathing difficult, and he’s stopped eating and playing. He survived cancer and a leg amputation earlier this year, but there’s nothing more that can be done for him. We have his final vet appointment this afternoon.

    I’m glad he adopted us when he showed up at our back door a dozen years ago. I was just hoping we’d have a couple more years with him.

    ReplyReply
  27. 27
    The Castle says:

    The Crazification Constant!

    It has always intrigued me how Crazification equals e (Euler’s number) times 10. There must be a connection.

    ReplyReply
  28. 28
    john b says:

    Meanwhile, this vile person used to play in the Davidson College Symphony, of which I’m a community player (thank goodness she had a class conflict this semester):
    https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article221351305.html

    Screenshots taken by the activist group included posts that praised Adolf Hitler and the Ku Klux Klan. The Twitter account, which did not include a full name, has been deleted.

    The activist group connected the account to Facebook and Instagram accounts of a Davidson student by comparing photos and some personal details. The Observer has not verified that the student created the Twitter account.

    My wife was following this before the account was removed. It was worse than they’re saying. There were MANY references to murdering whole subsets of the human race. I’ve met many people in my life who have proudly espoused racist / sexist / antisemetic views. But it’s rare that someone advocates for their mass murder. Truly troubling and frightening.

    Davidson College is quite small and quite liberal. The campus is shaken. It really is nuts that a Nazi was in our midst. I can’t imagine being a student / faculty / staff member there.

    ReplyReply
  29. 29
    Yutsano says:

    @efgoldman: I’m at work with literally nothing to do because the system I use for mail case work is dead. But I’m here. How you?

    ReplyReply
  30. 30
    Yarrow says:

    @efgoldman: People are two threads down arguing at the Green party.

    ReplyReply
  31. 31
    oldgold says:

    @Yarrow:

    I would not give up on Iowa. It is still purple. The Democrats, after gaining two on Tuesday, now hold three of the four House seats.

    ReplyReply
  32. 32
    TenguPhule says:

    57,000 Nazis is a lot of Nazis in Illinois.

    ReplyReply
  33. 33
    CarolDuhart2 says:

    @Mingobat (f/k/a Karen in GA): May Elwood’s trip across the Rainbow Bridge be painless and calm. You love them, and must let them go. The one thing you can say is that with you, they had an easier and better end.

    ReplyReply
  34. 34
    Jeffro says:

    @Yarrow: I’m contacting Wasserman and I want 10% of the credit for that “VA is a blue state, period” punditry. I’ve been saying that for six years now! =)

    ReplyReply
  35. 35
    Gozer says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: Shit like that happens so often with PoC that we’d be in a constant state of fear/anger induced paralysis if we spent too much time thinking about every incident. Gotta pick your battles so-to-speak.

    ReplyReply
  36. 36
    Gravenstone says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: @john b: Sadly, as the topic of this post shows, at least a quarter of our fellow citizens are shit people. The distribution changes from place to place, but there will always be horrible people amongst us. Of course, for some reason, they seem rather less inhibited and more likely to crawl from their shadows these days…

    ReplyReply
  37. 37
    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Yarrow:

    Sorry, Iowans and Ohioans. Sucks to live in a red state.

    I’m still mad about that. Both of my state leg officials are going to be Repukes, though the races were close, and Issue 1 went down in flames by over 60%. It’s not exactly unheard of for my area to send Rs to Columbus but it shouldn’t have happened in 2018. Both guys had local name recognition, but so did at least the one R running for state senator.

    The guy running for state rep was Don Manning and he connected himself to Trump and how he would work with Trump in Columbus to bring prosperity to our district. He narrowly won.

    I’m moving out of this shithole state the first chance I get.

    ReplyReply
  38. 38
    geg6 says:

    @Mingobat (f/k/a Karen in GA):

    I am so very sorry to hear about Elwood. Peace to you all. 🐾

    ReplyReply
  39. 39
    Alain the site fixer says:

    @Jeffro: sadly, state politics don’t show that quite yet!

    ReplyReply
  40. 40
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mingobat (f/k/a Karen in GA): We’re keeping good thoughts for you and him!

    ReplyReply
  41. 41
    trollhattan says:

    @Mingobat (f/k/a Karen in GA):
    Jeez, sorry to hear that. At least you found one another for a good long while.

    ReplyReply
  42. 42
    Betty Cracker says:

    Lipinski is a weasel-faced shit-goblin, but I would have dressed as a pork chop and jogged through a 25 acre-pound filled with rabid pit bulls to vote for him over the goddamned Nazi.

    ReplyReply
  43. 43
    Spanky says:

    @Mingobat (f/k/a Karen in GA): That totally sucks. It seems trite typing it, but yeah, I’ll say it anyway. He gifted you by his presence and trust, and you gifted him with your love and support. This afternoon’s final act is out of love and necessity, and he’s counting on you to do the right thing by him.

    Peace to you and all of Elwood’s people.

    ReplyReply
  44. 44
    Betty Cracker says:

    @Mingobat (f/k/a Karen in GA): Oh man, that sucks. :(

    ReplyReply
  45. 45
    Yarrow says:

    @Mingobat (f/k/a Karen in GA): So sorry to hear that. You have given him a wonderful last few years of his life.

    ReplyReply
  46. 46
    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Mingobat (f/k/a Karen in GA):
    No matter what, take comfort in knowing that Elwood knows that he is loved by wonderful people. I’ll be keeping him and you in my thoughts today.

    ReplyReply
  47. 47
    Jeffro says:

    @Alain the site fixer: What? “Blue state” doesn’t mean the Dems win every seat…some of those rural areas are going to stay red until the last old coot trips on his Confederate battle flag and tumbles down the stairs. But the Rs have not won a statewide election in VA since Bob McDonnell in 2010. Warner and Kaine have been Senators since the early 2000s and their margins just keep getting bigger. Northam TROUNCED Lyin’ Ed Gillespie by 9 points last year. We just got rid of Dave Brat and Barbara Comstock. It’s a Blue State.

    ReplyReply
  48. 48
    kindness says:

    Meh. Lepinski is scum. The guy votes against abortion/birth control every time and even voted against the ACA when it was passed.

    Sure he’s better than an actual Nazi but that bar to cover is buried in the sand.

    ReplyReply
  49. 49
    germy says:

    “In the next five to ten years, probably closer to five, we will have alt-right men and women running for political office,” she told the cheering audience of neo-Nazis during the live taping of the podcast.

    https://www.thecut.com/2018/11/faith-goldy-toronto-white-nationalist-poster-girl.html

    ReplyReply
  50. 50
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    but I would have dressed as a pork chop

    That’s definitely not kosher!

    ReplyReply
  51. 51
    different-church-lady says:

    @Yarrow: I’ve only just read the first section, and I’m thinking, “If this what it takes to wake them up, then maybe we should be putting more of these guys in prison.”

    ReplyReply
  52. 52
    Miss Bianca says:

    @Mingobat (f/k/a Karen in GA): Oh, poor Elwood! : (

    ReplyReply
  53. 53
    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Jeffro:
    Plus, the House of Delegates is 50 (R) and 49 (D). That’s close to tipping. Do you think the Virginia Dems will be able to take over the House of Delegates soon?

    ReplyReply
  54. 54
    Mike in NC says:

    I remember being in Chicago years ago when Nazis wanted a permit to march in Skokie. Apparently there was the usual massive counter-demonstration.

    ReplyReply
  55. 55
    Barbara says:

    @Yarrow: Iowa flipped two of its four congressional districts from red to blue. It’s now 3D/1R. I wouldn’t count it out just yet.

    ReplyReply
  56. 56
    guachi says:

    Virginia is such a blue state now the Democrats won 57% of the House vote. That’s huge!

    ReplyReply
  57. 57

    Kos reports R protestors are gathering outside the Board of Elections in Broward County where they’re trying to count votes.

    ReplyReply
  58. 58
    JGabriel says:

    Chi. Trib. via Adam @ Top:

    With a little over 99 percent of precincts reporting, Lipinski received 155,940 votes compared with Jones’ 56,350 The results may not include all early voting tallies.

    Just so we have the math recorded:

    56,350 + 155,940 = 212290 votes counted with 99% of precincts reporting

    56,350/212290 = 0.2654…

    Which rounds up to 27%.

    Tyrone and John Rogers strike again.

    ReplyReply
  59. 59
    The Moar You Know says:

    Speaking of the Blues Brothers, our Elwood the former stray has a mass near his heart that’s making breathing difficult, and he’s stopped eating and playing. He survived cancer and a leg amputation earlier this year, but there’s nothing more that can be done for him. We have his final vet appointment this afternoon.

    I’m glad he adopted us when he showed up at our back door a dozen years ago. I was just hoping we’d have a couple more years with him.

    @Mingobat (f/k/a Karen in GA): There’s never enough time with them. Never. I am so sorry.

    I know he had a great life with you, and that’s really important. As is going out before something awful happens with the slew of conditions the poor guy has. Not that any of that helps, because today is that day when every pet owner gets a new “black scar on their heart” as my dad so eloquently put it. I am truly sorry. Take whatever consolation you can that you’re doing right by your friend.

    ReplyReply
  60. 60
    eclare says:

    @Mingobat (f/k/a Karen in GA): Oh, I’m so sorry

    ReplyReply
  61. 61
    Mary G says:

    Adam, sounds like the Republicams are playing the Brooks Brothers riotss all over again:

    Protests breaking out in Broward County over the vote tabulation controversy there… shouts of "lock her up" directed at the SOE Brenda Snipes. <a — Ryan Nobles (@ryanobles) November 9, 2018

    Dave Roberts at Vox thinks Democrats aren’t fighting:

    I feel sick in my gut right now – flashing back to 2000. I see Dems all over the place making grandiose arguments about principle & democracy & the sanctity of voting. And I see the right just knife fighting — lies, lawyers, riots, literally whatever it takes.— David Roberts (@drvox) November 9, 2018

    Not going to link it, but I follow a kid from Parkland who lost his sister, but instead of going the March For Our Lives route, is a junior rightwinger. He’s been agitating his followers to show up and intimidate the elections supervisor. Your thoughts?

    ReplyReply
  62. 62
    The Moar You Know says:

    Kos reports R protestors are gathering outside the Board of Elections in Broward County where they’re trying to count votes.

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: It worked last time. Every single one is paid and likely a lawyer. Like last time. Hope the Board is prepared to deal with this better than last time.

    ReplyReply
  63. 63
    Jeffro says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷: And that 49/51 split (post-2017’s election) up from 34/66 previously – a gain of 15 seats for the Ds in 2017! I absolutely think it’ll flip next time out, and we’re already expanding Medicaid as it is.

    When we are throwing out even fake “moderate” Rs like Ed Gillespie and Barbara Comstock, you KNOW it is a blue state. And really, they have nowhere to go unless the Ds majorly screw it up (knock on wood). The R voter base in this state is set for civil war – half of them want to bring back the fake moderates in order to have (they think) a prayer of winning, while the other half want throwbacks like white supremacist Corey Stewart. Fight it out, VA Republicans! Rip each other to shreds. We’ll just keep on doing the good government thing for a while…a loooong while…

    ReplyReply
  64. 64
    TenguPhule says:

    Trump takes aim at Obama, Clinton, judges, election officials, reporters and a host of others before leaving the country

    Some editor at Wapo was feeling their oats today.

    Trump took aim at former president Barack Obama, former Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, the husband of one of his top aides, Democrats in Congress, two prominent White House reporters, elections officials in Florida, elections officials in Arizona, the FBI and a federal judge in Montana, among others.

    Taking one question after another from reporters, Trump immediately pivoted when he was asked about Michelle Obama writing in her new memoir that she would never forgive Trump for advancing the false birther claim about her husband’s citizenship that endangered her family.

    Trump said that the former first lady was no doubt paid a lot of money to write her book, but he reserved his harshest words for her husband: “I’ll never forgive him for what he did to our United States military. I’ll never forgive him for what he did in many other ways, which I’ll talk to you about in the future.”

    Trump, who touted his own buildup of the military, appeared to be referring to cuts in military spending that were required by the 2011 Budget Control Act backed by congressional Republicans and Democrats and signed into law by Obama. The 2010 tea party class of Republicans were intent on cutting the nation’s deficit and endorsed the spending cuts to defense and domestic programs.

    Trump took a fresh shot at CNN White House reporter Jim Acosta, whose press credential was yanked this week after Acosta’s persistent questioning of Trump at a news conference.

    “I think Jim Acosta is a very unprofessional man,” Trump said. “He’s a very unprofessional guy.”

    Trump also denied that a video of the episode tweeted by White House press secretary Sarah Sanders had been altered. Experts said the video of the news conference, in which Acosta is seen rebuffing a press aide’s attempt to take a microphone out of his hands, was changed to exaggerate the aggressiveness of Acosta’s actions.

    “Nobody manipulated it. Give me a break,” Trump said. “All that is a close-up . . . It wasn’t doctored. They gave a close-up view.”

    ReplyReply
  65. 65
    JohnPM says:

    Lipinski’s District covers a lot of the same areas where the residents attacked MLK when he marched against housing discrimination in Chicago. The Nazi got fewer votes than Lipinski’s last two Republican opponents. Lipinski’s opponent in 2014 got 64,000 votes, however, so 56,000 is not much of a drop-off. Thus, I can only assume that these 56,000 Republican voters are either ignorant of the fact that the Republican candidate was a Nazi or comfortable with that fact. I do wonder if there is any exit polling data that could determine the percentage of each category.

    ReplyReply
  66. 66
    TenguPhule says:

    @Mary G:

    Not going to link it, but I follow a kid from Parkland who lost his sister, but instead of going the March For Our Lives route, is a junior rightwinger. He’s been agitating his followers to show up and intimidate the elections supervisor. Your thoughts?

    Obviously he didn’t like his sister at all. //

    ReplyReply
  67. 67
    germy says:

    @Mary G:

    Dave Roberts at Vox thinks Democrats aren’t fighting:

    In 2018? Surely this isn’t true. I have to believe the anti-vote count rioters will be met by counter demonstrators and the appropriate response by the vote counters (keep counting).

    In summation: “COUNT”

    ReplyReply
  68. 68
    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    Just curious, are there any large commemorations of the 100th Anniversary of the end of WW1 over in the US? It is all over the news here, commemorations all around the Country. I haven’t seen anything on twitter.

    ReplyReply
  69. 69
    The Moar You Know says:

    Trump took a fresh shot at CNN White House reporter Jim Acosta, whose press credential was yanked this week after Acosta’s persistent questioning of Trump at a news conference.

    “I think Jim Acosta is a very unprofessional man,” Trump said. “He’s a very unprofessional guy.”

    Trump also denied that a video of the episode tweeted by White House press secretary Sarah Sanders had been altered. Experts said the video of the news conference, in which Acosta is seen rebuffing a press aide’s attempt to take a microphone out of his hands, was changed to exaggerate the aggressiveness of Acosta’s actions.

    “Nobody manipulated it. Give me a break,” Trump said. “All that is a close-up . . . It wasn’t doctored. They gave a close-up view.”

    @TenguPhule: Why is any legitimate news organization still covering the White House? Let him give a presser to a mostly empty room with only Fox and Breitbart in attendance. Cut off his goddamn oxygen, news media! This isn’t hard!

    ReplyReply
  70. 70
    TenguPhule says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    Why is any legitimate news organization still covering the White House? Let him give a presser to a mostly empty room with only Fox and Breitbart in attendance. Cut off his goddamn oxygen, news media! This isn’t hard!

    They’re not being paid to hold him accountable or report about objective reality. They’re paid for attracting eyeballs for advertising.

    ReplyReply
  71. 71
    TenguPhule says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt:

    Just curious, are there any large commemorations of the 100th Anniversary of the end of WW1 over in the US?

    Sadly, no.

    We got into the war relatively late and took proportionally fewer casualties.

    Its a forgotten war here.

    /not even sure we have any surviving veterans of that war left alive.

    ReplyReply
  72. 72

    @TenguPhule: At least Twitler didn’t get his parade in DC.

    ReplyReply
  73. 73
    different-church-lady says:

    @TenguPhule: Only a matter of time before he reaches the “Say hello to my little friend” stage.

    ReplyReply
  74. 74
    dopey-o says:

    @Meyerman:i’ll make sure your name is on the list.

    ReplyReply
  75. 75
    trollhattan says:

    @TenguPhule:
    They’d be (counts on digits) 116 at least, presuming they allowed kids that young to enlist.

    Regardless, “world what?” would be a typical American response. Did not help matters that the coincident Spanish Flu killed far more Americans than the fighting.

    I don’t know how you could live in Belgium or France and not be fixated on The Great War.

    ReplyReply
  76. 76
    TenguPhule says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    At least Twitler didn’t get his parade in DC.

    For now.

    Instead he’s going off to share his bouncing buttcheeks in Paris at their WW I memorial.

    Our best hope is that he’s only embarrassing and doesn’t completely destroy NATO.

    ReplyReply
  77. 77
    Mary G says:

    Like Abby Phillips says, buckle up:

    The scene at the Broward elections office where the canvassing board is preparing to meet. Also chants of, “Lock her up!” pic.twitter.com/sfJ98ubdt3— Patricia Mazzei (@PatriciaMazzei) November 9, 2018

    Palm Beach County Elections Supervisor Susan Bucher says the nation's highest elected officials are trying to disrupt democracy.— Frances Robles (@FrancesRobles) November 9, 2018

    ReplyReply
  78. 78
    Martin says:

    @Butch:

    Is there any post-election polling – that many votes simply because there’s an R next to his name or do they actually support a Nazi? I’m fearing it’s the latter.

    The lesson from WWII is that it doesn’t matter. If voters tolerate the nazism because they want the lower taxes, the end result is that we still have a nazi. They’re still responsible.

    ReplyReply
  79. 79
    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:
    Brooks Brothers 2, electric boogaloo?

    ReplyReply
  80. 80

    Jim Acosta tweeted a pic of himself in Paris. Trump can’t throw him out of France.

    ReplyReply
  81. 81
    Martin says:

    @Mary G: Reminder too that half the organizers of the Brooks Brothers riot in 2000 are now sitting on the Supreme Court.

    I’m not usually one to go there, but I’m running out of nonviolent remedies to some of these issues.

    ReplyReply
  82. 82

    @germy: Who is this woman and why should I care?

    ReplyReply
  83. 83
    Yarrow says:

    The Florida Department of Law Enforcement says it is NOT investigating Broward elections chief Brenda Snipes. FDLE spokeswoman says the Department of State has not received any allegations of voter fraud, and that Gov. Rick Scott did not put his request in writing.— Steve Bousquet (@stevebousquet) November 9, 2018

    Interesting.

    ReplyReply
  84. 84
    Hob says:

    @germy: @Mary G: Yeah, I read that Vox piece too, and I don’t know why we’re supposed to be upset about Democrats talking about how they intend to do the right thing and play fair. That is literally true even if they take very aggressive action, because it is the right thing and the law is in fact on our side—I presume Roberts doesn’t actually mean we should be lying and rioting. And if by some miracle some Republicans wanted to join us in doing the right thing, it would make sense to let them do so.

    The only reason that this kind of talk would be bad is if there’s going to be only talk and no action. And Roberts shows no reason to assume that that’s the case.

    ReplyReply
  85. 85
    Miss Bianca says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt: Well, the library I used to work at had a display of WWI-themed books by the checkout counter, along with a little blurb on “the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month” being Remembrance Day (which I always thought it was “Armistice Day”, but that’s me, and it doesn’t matter over here anyway – it’s “Veteran’s Day” now). So…there’s that.

    ReplyReply
  86. 86
    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Jeffro:
    That’s good to hear! I wish it were the same here in Ohio but if wishes were horses and all that…

    ReplyReply
  87. 87

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷:

    Do you think the Virginia Dems will be able to take over the House of Delegates soon?

    It’s only that close because it’s gerrymandered to hell and back. The Republicans aren’t going to be able to push a crazy gerrymander past a Democratic governor, so the next map is going to be a lot more favorable to the Democrats.

    ReplyReply
  88. 88
    debit says:

    @Mingobat (f/k/a Karen in GA): I am so sorry. {{}}

    ReplyReply
  89. 89
    germy says:

    @Yarrow:

    Gov. Rick Scott did not put his request in writing.

    He’s pursuing in the court of public (fox news) opinion?

    ReplyReply
  90. 90
    Spanky says:

    @different-church-lady:

    Only a matter of time before he reaches the “Say hello to my little friend” stage.

    Agreed, but in his case, his little friend is mushroom shaped.

    ReplyReply
  91. 91
    different-church-lady says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    …and why should I care?

    Because at the current rate of international rat-fuckery she’ll be Prime Minister of Canada within three years.

    ReplyReply
  92. 92
    TenguPhule says:

    @Martin:

    I’m not usually one to go there, but I’m running out of nonviolent remedies to some of these issues.

    Just some of them?

    ReplyReply
  93. 93

    @different-church-lady: I will read about her when (and if) that happens. Plus, I don’t like this overly familiar gossip mag writing style, the women’s ghetto at the NYMag has adopted.

    ReplyReply
  94. 94
    MoxieM says:

    By golly, the actor who plays the head nazi looks an awful lot like J. Beauregard Sessions, Unemployed. Anybody know who he is?

    ReplyReply
  95. 95
    germy says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Have you seen this?

    BTW, a not so great night for Dems on the Gov. front.— amy walter (@amyewalter) November 7, 2018

    We seem to have flipped seven governorships which I would say was terrific. Am I missing something here? https://t.co/dSPxiUZ8Xr— Howard Dean (@GovHowardDean) November 7, 2018

    (Amy’s gonna Amy)

    ReplyReply
  96. 96

    @Mary G:

    Dave Roberts at Vox thinks Democrats aren’t fighting

    I will ask him the question I always ask when somebody complains the Democrats aren’t fighting: what does he want them to do instead of what they’re doing now? People always bitch about the Democrats failing to fight, but they’re never willing to offer their own idea of what to do instead.

    ReplyReply
  97. 97
    different-church-lady says:

    @schrodingers_cat: I blame Twitter. And everything else.

    ReplyReply
  98. 98

    @germy: I did actually, and even highlighted in one of the threads here, yesterday. I am not an Amy fan.

    ReplyReply
  99. 99
    debbie says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    This morning, I listened for a few minutes while Bill O’Reilly criticized Acosta because he makes statements instead of asking questions. Hello??? Unself-Awareness is on the line!

    ReplyReply
  100. 100
    Emma says:

    @Mingobat (f/k/a Karen in GA): You blessed each other with affection and care. I am so sorry.

    ReplyReply
  101. 101
    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    Can one of the front pagers post this? Thanks.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdpspllWI2o

    It’s the Christmas ad by British Frozen Food company Iceland that was banned as being too political. It made me bawl like a baby.

    ReplyReply
  102. 102
    Mnemosyne says:

    @MoxieM:

    It’s the great character actor Henry Gibson. He did a lot of movies with Robert Altman and I think he was a regular on “Laugh-In.”

    ReplyReply
  103. 103
    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Roger Moore:
    I think it’s incredible that as gerrymandered as it was that the Dems almost gained complete control. That the map will likely be more favorable is good news.

    ReplyReply
  104. 104
    Ohio Mom says:

    @efgoldman: Actually, I’m thinking of taking a nap. It’s been a long week and I feel a cold coming on.

    Now I’m going to read the rest of the thread to see if there is any more info on how you are doing, efg. We are always thinking of you.

    ReplyReply
  105. 105
    Mnemosyne says:

    @Mingobat (f/k/a Karen in GA):

    I’m so sorry. You gave him a great life, and now it’s time to give him a comfortable death surrounded by love. It hurts, but it’s the right thing to do for him.

    ReplyReply
  106. 106
  107. 107
    Ohio Mom says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷: I was moaning on Wednesday, “What is wrong with Ohio?” and Ohio Dad said, “There is a brain drain. Smart and young people move away. This is turning into an old state.” I couldn’t disagree.

    You are clearly near the top of the emigrate out list. Wherever you end up, you will probably meet other ex-Buckeyes.

    ReplyReply
  108. 108
  109. 109
    jonas says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: I thought they rejected mob violence. Well, as usual, with conservatives every accusation is a confession.

    ReplyReply
  110. 110
    rikyrah says:

    @john b:

    see, as a non-White, I am quite clear on what Nazis mean. Who they are. What they want to do.
    so, I do ascribe the philosophy that the only good Nazi is a dead one.
    cause, if given the chance, they’d do it to me and mine in a heartbeat.

    ReplyReply
  111. 111
    raven says:

    @raven:

    A century on, a question remains: Will, or should, this commemoration of Veterans Day — or Armistice Day, or Remembrance Day, as the date is also known — be the last on this scale? Should the world continue to pause in silence to honor the sacrifice and bravery of those who fought it on the ground — “lions led by donkeys,” according to a phrase used to scorn the bumbling British officer class drawn from the upper crust?

    ReplyReply
  112. 112
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt: I will be that guy. I will put on my medal ribbons and wings and stand at attention at 11:00am as a gesture to those who went through that horror.

    Yes, I am a rank sentimentalist. Sue me.

    ReplyReply
  113. 113
    Chetan Murthy says:

    @kindness:

    Meh. Lepinski is scum. The guy votes against abortion/birth control every time and even voted against the ACA when it was passed.

    I wouldn’t care whether he bites the head off of a bat, as long as he caucuses with the Dems when it comes time to elect the Speaker.

    ReplyReply
  114. 114
    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt: No big celebrations, but we did do this:

    Along with becoming the most-visited temporary exhibit in the museum’s history, North Carolina & World War I was honored by the North Carolina Museums Council with the group’s annual Award of Excellence!

    ReplyReply
  115. 115
    rikyrah says:

    @Gozer:

    So true. You gotta learn what to fight. If we fought every battle, none of us would be without high blood pressure meds.

    ReplyReply
  116. 116
    sigyn says:

    @Yarrow: Tell me. I cast my ballot in South Dakota, and I proudly wear my “I Voted” sticker…for a couple hours til results start rolling in. Then I quietly peel it off because I don’t want anyone to get the wrong idea about me.

    ReplyReply
  117. 117
    JMG says:

    @trollhattan: Every village in France has its monument to its dead from WW1, the same way every town in New England has its monument to its Civil War dead. Armistice Day is a super major holiday there, a mega-Memorial Day.

    ReplyReply
  118. 118
    artem1s says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym:

    The other guy shrugged it off but I’m still worrying at it like my Beagle destroying a toy I just bought him which cost $13 and didn’t last 10 freaking minutes before there was stuffing all over the… sorry, where was I?

    you are well within your rights as a user of the library to report this and inquire about who asked for security to show up. If it’s another customer, then they didn’t handle it well and someone needs to know. If it was a staffer, they should be fired. Public libraries are sanctuaries for the homeless, youth trying to keep off the street and those who don’t have access to information and the internet. It’s a civil rights violation to deny anyone access via intimidation.

    ReplyReply
  119. 119
    raven says:

    @MoxieM: Of courser, that’s Henry Gibson, he was a regular on Laugh In.

    “His best known film role was probably his performance in Nashville (1975). He played Haven Hamilton, a smarmy Country and Western singer. For this role he was nominated for a Golden Globe Award and was awarded the National Film Critics Award for best supporting actor”

    ReplyReply
  120. 120

    @raven:

    “lions led by donkeys,” according to a phrase used to scorn the bumbling British officer class drawn from the upper crust

    Meh. The problem in WWI wasn’t the officer class; it was much deeper than that. On the one hand, the technology of the war was such that the only likely outcome was the kind of bloody stalemate that actually happened. No amount of leadership was capable of overcoming that basic problem. On the other hand, you had politicians who created the war and refused to do anything to stop it once it was obvious that it had devolved into a bloody stalemate.

    ReplyReply
  121. 121
    raven says:

    @Roger Moore: It was a “phrase” and a pretty damn good one.

    ReplyReply
  122. 122
    raven says:

    @raven:

    So convincing was his southern poet character that Gibson once received a letter from the Governor of Alabama claiming he was “…one of the most exciting talents to come out of Alabama since Tallulah Bankhead”.

    ReplyReply
  123. 123
    Kelly says:

    My Congressman Kurt Schrader was listed as a possible opponent to Nancy Pelosi’s Speakership in this Roll Call article.
    https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/pelosi-confident-shell-be-speaker-but-would-rather-talk-about-policy-agenda
    I just got off the phone with his office. I went on at length that the Democratic House needed to present an implacable united front against Trump’s Republicans. I told the aide she’s the best Speaker since at least Tip O’Neill. I told him I wouldn’t have Obamacare without Nancy’s work.
    I was too wound up to ask how Schrader actually planned to vote…

    ReplyReply
  124. 124
  125. 125
    Manyakitty says:

    @Mingobat (f/k/a Karen in GA): Tough news. Peace and love to you all.

    ReplyReply
  126. 126
    raven says:

    @Mingobat (f/k/a Karen in GA): Aw I’m so sorry.

    ReplyReply
  127. 127
    Xecky Gilchrist says:

    @Cacti: beat me to that one!

    ReplyReply
  128. 128
    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Ohio Mom:
    That’s what I’ve thought too. The state is getting older and more conservative. Young people are leaving to find better opportunities elsewhere. The ones that stay are probably apolitical or far-right.

    I’d like to move Southern California. It was beautiful and exciting place when I visited two years ago. I’d also consider NYC or Pitssburgh.

    ReplyReply
  129. 129
    ruemara says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: Sounds extremely accurate. Sorry that happened to him. But it’s so common, we don’t really focus on it – we have things to do like get our headshots.

    @Kelly: We have a big problem of young people thinking because they’re active (now), they deserve to kick olds out of the way and grab power. Nuh-uh. I want an effective Speaker who knows the ins & outs. Not someone who’s too arrogant to ask her to teach them how to be an effective speaker. Learn something. Don’t be an asshole.

    ReplyReply
  130. 130

    @raven:

    It was a “phrase” and a pretty damn good one.

    It was a calumny that had nothing to do with the actual nature of the war and was intended to distract attention to the people really responsible.

    ReplyReply
  131. 131
    Yarrow says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷: You’re young enough that you might want factor climate change issues into your decision about where to move.

    ReplyReply
  132. 132
    raven says:

    @Roger Moore: Tell it to someone who gives a fuck.

    ReplyReply
  133. 133
    Jimmi says:

    @Kelly: thx for this. He is mine as well. Where did I save that number…

    ReplyReply
  134. 134

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷:

    I’d like to move Southern California. It was beautiful and exciting place when I visited two years ago.

    Unfortunately, it’s expensive as all get-out because we refuse to build enough housing for everyone who already lives here, much less all the people who want to move in.

    ReplyReply
  135. 135
    David Evans says:

    @The Castle: I don’t think it’s a universal law. The UK Independence Party, arguably our nearest equivalent to the Trumpistas, never got more than 12% of the national vote. Other white nationalist parties did much worse. The British National Party never got to 2%.

    ReplyReply
  136. 136
    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    Federal appeals court rules against Trump administration effort to end DACA program

    To reach its conclusion, the 9th Circuit decision explored more than 100 years of presidential administrations deciding that not every law must be enforced 100 percent of the time and that not all people should be punished for every violation.

    The opinion cited President Ronald Reagan’s decision to protect relatives of undocumented immigrants who were granted amnesty in 1986 and President Dwight Eisenhower’s decision to protect more than 30,000 Hungarian refugees in 1956. It found 19 other examples of large groups of foreigners protected from deportation.

    The court even cited the case of John Lennon and Yoko Ono, who were nearly deported over a marijuana possession charge in Britain but were allowed to remain in the USA because they were not priorities for deportation.

    Those pesky RINOs again, Ronald Reagan and Dwight Eisenhower! The admin plans to appeal to the USSC. Wonder how the 5 “conservatives” will twist themselves in knots to justify Trump’s white supremacy?

    ReplyReply
  137. 137
    Yutsano says:

    @Mingobat (f/k/a Karen in GA): Oh no. I wish there were better words than I’m sorry here.

    ReplyReply
  138. 138
    Yarrow says:

    Breaking, via @WSJ: Federal prosecutors in Manhattan have gathered evidence of Donald Trump's participation in payments to Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal "that violated campaign-finance laws" https://t.co/7XPNnxmvxR— Steve Kopack (@SteveKopack) November 9, 2018

    Tick tock, tick tock…

    ReplyReply
  139. 139
    NY Robbin says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    I wanna marry this comment! that is all

    ReplyReply
  140. 140
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @raven: Every senior British officer in WWII learned his trade as a company grade officer in WWI.

    ReplyReply
  141. 141
  142. 142
    KSinMA says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Sounds like Democrats need to get down there to get in their way, stat.

    ReplyReply
  143. 143
    Barbara says:

    @Betty Cracker: Lipinski survived a primary challenge by a much more progressive candidate. He knows his district and they know him.

    ReplyReply
  144. 144
    germy says:

    @Roger Moore:
    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez can’t afford the rent for a Washington apartment before her job in Congress starts

    ReplyReply
  145. 145
    jl says:

    @Yarrow: Interesting indeed. Talkingpointsmemo reports that Florida law enforcement said that Scott made no formal request for an investigation of any kind, with no specific allegations of any kind to investigate. So, I guess Scott just yelled at someone, so they sent some people down to the districts to deep six the BS asap? Nice the FL law enforcement hasn’t been corrupted by Trumpism yet. I’d be more comfortable if they had told Scott they weren’t going to bother dong anything unless he actually bothered to cook up something plausible and actually made a request. But, I’ll take what I can get at this point.

    The story might be nice material for one of the meaner and snarkier front posters soon?

    ReplyReply
  146. 146
    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Roger Moore:

    Unfortunately, it’s expensive as all get-out because we refuse to build enough housing for everyone who already lives here, much less all the people who want to move in.

    I remember some stupid bit in the style of a government PCA on Jay Leno’s show when was host (2013ish), where it showed a U-Haul truck driving down a street only to be stopped by several police cars and the occupants being forced out by cops. The voice over was talking about how 100,000 people have left California and how the state was “broke”; every time someone moved away the state lost much needed tax revenue. From that point forward, anyone trying to leave Cali would be “gently encouraged to stay”.

    Would living in the suburbs be cheaper?

    ReplyReply
  147. 147
    Kelly says:

    @ruemara: Kurt Schrader has been around long enough that he should know better.

    ReplyReply
  148. 148
    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @TenguPhule: Wasn’t there a leader of a Nazi group in IL some yrs ago who went on a multi-state killing spree? A young, personable white guy? Maybe an incel yrs before that was ‘a thing’, as I recall.

    ReplyReply
  149. 149
    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    In other news I think a broke my left little toe last night when I tripped on the steps when I came home from a night out with my sis. It is a painful as hell but there is no point in wasting the doctor’s time because I know they are just going to tape it up and tell me to take paracetamol for the pain. And yes I was drunk (we had been on a Pub Crawl, it’s not a night out with my sister without a Pub Crawl). They are not going to put my foot in a cast for a broken toe.

    ReplyReply
  150. 150
    Woodrow/Asim says:

    @jl: Florida Department of Law Enforcement didn’t send anyone, anywhere, per the latest Talkingpointsmemo story.

    Rather, they literally picked up the phone, called FLSoS, and asked, “ya’ll got any vote fraud?” SoS said “nope,” and the FDLE said “well, if you hear of anything, or the Governor sends us a formal request, we’ll investigate.”

    And that’s where it appears to have stopped. Well, aside from hearing on Twitter that Scott’s pulling another presser today to, one suspects, do some more playing to the media and right-wingers.

    But if that’s all he’s got, he’s not got much of a hand in this card game, from what I’m hearing.

    ReplyReply
  151. 151

    The mail-in votes seem to be what’s shifting the elections in Florida and maybe elsewhere too. I predict Rs will try to shut that stuff down.

    ReplyReply
  152. 152
    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Yarrow:
    I don’t know. I’ll consider that when the time comes. I’ll likely be dead by the time the worst of it occurs (2080s-2100s)

    ReplyReply
  153. 153
    Robert Sneddon says:

    @raven: The “bumbling upper class officers” included the second lieutenants who led the lions over the top of the trenches in assaults against dug-in machine guns and died young and fast. The posh schools in Britain, the Etons and others all have war memorials listing the names of the alumni who died doing their duty in WW1. They are quite long memorials with lots of names, and then they did it again in the Second World War.

    I’ll be at an Armistice event on Sunday, it’s just along the street from where I live. It’s a very specific Armistice memorial, for members and supporters of a local football team that joined up to fight in WW1. Quite a few of them never came back. I’ve just finished work at another sports stadium which has its own memorial to the sportsmen who went to war and never came back. They’ll be holding a service there tomorrow, not Sunday since there’s an international match on. There are memorials like that all over the country, it’s a rare village that doesn’t have one — they’re called “thankful” villages, where all the men who went to serve came back alive.

    ReplyReply
  154. 154
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mary G: Roberts is wrong. Nelson has the top elections lawyer in the country working for him. Gillum has the top Florida based/specific elections lawyer working for him (he worked for W and led/coordinated the state of Florida legal response in the 2000 election). They’re fighting.

    As for mobs and crowds, this isn’t 2000.

    ReplyReply
  155. 155
    Yarrow says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt: That can hurt like hell. If it doesn’t seem to get better you might want to take advantage of your good NHS and get seen by a doctor. You don’t want it to set wrong and you also don’t want to miss something bigger.

    ReplyReply
  156. 156
    Marcopolo says:

    @Ohio Mom: probably a dead thread but here’s a tweet thread about Ohio & the election. When it loads just scroll up to the top to start. I’d saved it to post when Kay was around.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/AlecMacGillis/status/1060595851809251328

    ReplyReply
  157. 157
    rikyrah says:

    What’s embarrassing to democracy is not counting every vote — and you, of course.

    Count every vote. https://t.co/ZfrBBcymrg

    — Andrew Gillum (@AndrewGillum) November 9, 2018

    ReplyReply
  158. 158
    rikyrah says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    As for mobs and crowds, this isn’t 2000.

    Ain’t nobody scared. And nobody is playing with these muthaphuckas.

    ReplyReply
  159. 159
    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @Mike in NC: Was that when so many freaked out because the ACLU supported the Nazi free speech to march??

    ReplyReply
  160. 160
    Mnemosyne says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷:

    Because the megapolis of LA is so sprawling, there aren’t really “suburbs” like you get in other cities. It’s all part of the same area, and all expensive. For cheaper housing, you have to go 50 or 60 miles out into the high desert, which means you end up with a 2-hour commute.

    If you do have an RN degree, that will help, because you won’t necessarily have to be tied to the higher-cost areas. There may be jobs for you in lower-cost areas.

    ReplyReply
  161. 161
    jl says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷: I’ve read about the iron triangle that prevents development in San Francisco. Geography (little semi-island 7 miles by 7 miles), renters and neighborhood NIMYism preventing development, and home and apartment owners whose property values are greatly elevated due to existing viewsheds and neighborhood amenities.

    OTOH, building as much high rise commercial development as possible to attract high income professional workerforce and corporations that would hire them was a choice made back in the 60s and 70s. Was it necessary for the prosperity of the city? Maybe it would always have the political power to extract the favors and subsidies necessary to keep it going as it had historically, with large working class neighborhoods? That had worked for over 100 years. But would it continue working into 21st century? I guess people arguing against the high rise ‘Manhattanization’ of SF decades ago thought yes it would.

    The forces behind the high rise commercial development said SF would turn into a Pacific Coast version of failed East Cost urban cores that had gone into decline.

    As I have argued in these comments at least twice, having a big city at the end of this particular peninsula in the SF Bay Area probably a historical accident and mistake. But, too late to fix it now in a gentle and civil way.

    ReplyReply
  162. 162
    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Shades of sElection 2000!! Kav helping again??

    ReplyReply
  163. 163

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷:

    Would living in the suburbs be cheaper?

    Only if you’re willing to live out in Riverside or San Bernardino County. Even notorious places like Compton (median home price: $382K) and Watts (median home price: $344K) are expensive by non-California standards.

    ReplyReply
  164. 164
    jl says:

    @Ladyraxterinok: They must be desperate? This crap has to stop. Can’t let them get away with stopping a simple count of the vote. Fascist is the right word for the whole GOP now. Sad to say it, but here we are.

    ReplyReply
  165. 165
    C Star says:

    Sitting in the smoke here in CA. . . airnow.gov says conditions are “moderate” where I am, but the sky is dirty gray and smells like burning plastic. Heard on the radio the Butte fire is burning up the equivalent of 80 football fields per minute. There are reports people had to abandon their cars and evacuate on foot to avoid the fire. Hellscape.

    ReplyReply
  166. 166
    Marcopolo says:

    And the entire city of Malibu & environs is now under mandatory evacuation order.

    ReplyReply
  167. 167
    Mnemosyne says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt:

    Put a little bit of cotton between it and its neighbor toe and tape them together to stabilize it, and ice it on and off for 20 minutes at a time for the first 48 hours. It’s going to hurt like hell, so take an NSAID (like ibuprofen or naproxen sodium) on a schedule to keep the inflammation down. You can safely take paracetamol with NSAID; some people say they get the best pain relief by alternating them every 2-3 hours.

    And get it checked out if it starts to turn really weird colors when the bruising should be fading, swells up a lot, etc. You can get an infection inside the toe that is very nasty. It’s uncommon, but something to watch for.

    Note: I am not a doctor or nurse, but I did break the exact same toe and those were the instructions they gave me at urgent care.

    ReplyReply
  168. 168
    Patricia Kayden says:

    @germy: No. Unless all the POC sit out elections in Ontario for the indefinite future, no.

    ReplyReply
  169. 169
    germy says:

    Matthew Whitaker, the new acting US attorney general, has made his verified Twitter account private. https://t.co/qjI0ygmshC— NBC News (@NBCNews) November 9, 2018

    ReplyReply
  170. 170
    germy says:

    @Patricia Kayden: They’ll be running but I hope they won’t be winning.

    ReplyReply
  171. 171
    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Steve King (IA House Rep) strongly publically supports her. Ugh, now Rep where I used to live.

    ReplyReply
  172. 172
    Mnemosyne says:

    @Roger Moore:

    Have you been to USC lately? That whole area of South Central is pretty gentrified now, at least on the SC side of the 110. The neighborhood has two major grocery store chains (Ralph’s and Smart and Final) — when I was going there, there were zero.

    ReplyReply
  173. 173
    Yarrow says:

    @germy: LOL. They’re all so brave. He can try to hide but it’s not going to help him.

    ReplyReply
  174. 174
    TenguPhule says:

    Fuck. Christmas Decorations are already going up at the local business plaza.

    I am hard pressed as to whether this or the start of the 2020 campaign season starting right now makes me hate this country more.

    ReplyReply
  175. 175
    ruemara says:

    @Kelly: Lust for power can lop a few IQ points off.

    ReplyReply
  176. 176
    TenguPhule says:

    @germy:

    Matthew Whitaker, the new acting US attorney general, has made his verified Twitter account private.

    So evil and marginally smarter then Trump.

    good times. //

    ReplyReply
  177. 177
    TenguPhule says:

    @raven:

    Tell it to someone who gives a fuck.

    Fuck you.

    /man that felt good.

    ReplyReply
  178. 178
    TenguPhule says:

    @Ladyraxterinok: Yes. Benjamin Nathaniel Smith.

    ReplyReply
  179. 179
    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Roger Moore:
    I was planning to rent an apartment or a condo for a few years before I ever got a house. I’ll only get a house if/when I get married and start a family. I don’t see much point in one if I don’t have the need.

    @Mnemosyne:

    If you do have an RN degree, that will help, because you won’t necessarily have to be tied to the higher-cost areas. There may be jobs for you in lower-cost areas.

    Define “lower-cost”. Are you saying I would need to also live in those lower-cost areas because that’s where the jobs might be?

    ReplyReply
  180. 180
    efgoldman says:

    @Yarrow: Fuckem

    ReplyReply
  181. 181
    les says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt:

    Just curious, are there any large commemorations of the 100th Anniversary of the end of WW1 over in the US?

    This is way late; but Kansas City remembers.

    ReplyReply
  182. 182
    MoxieM says:

    @Mnemosyne: So it is. I didn’t recognize him away from the Laugh-In set. Thanks

    ReplyReply
  183. 183

    @Mnemosyne:

    Have you been to USC lately?

    I went to the California Science Center recently, so I know the area right around USC is pretty nice. That’s why I chose Compton and Watts, neither of which is right next to USC, as my notoriously bad neighborhoods, rather than South Central South LA.

    One semi-advantage of high house prices in LA is that it means there aren’t large numbers of abandoned homes and vacant lots. Even in the worst neighborhood- and the bad neighborhoods have gotten a lot better over the past 20 years or so- the land is just too valuable for it to sit idle.

    ReplyReply
  184. 184

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷:

    I was planning to rent an apartment or a condo for a few years before I ever got a house.

    Rental prices are pretty scary, too.

    ReplyReply
  185. 185
    C Stars says:

    @Marcopolo: Oh noes, Kanye and the Kardashian person have had to evacuate!

    ReplyReply
  186. 186
    Mnemosyne says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷:

    More that there will be nursing jobs all over the metro area, so you may be able to get a decent job in one of the lower-cost areas. The Holy Grail for a lot of people is an affordable apartment close to work so you don’t have a long commute.

    If you’re okay with roommates or housemates, that would make it easier to rent a place in a nicer neighborhood. A friend of mine was able to live in Hermosa Beach by renting a room in someone’s duplex.

    ReplyReply
  187. 187
  188. 188
    satby says:

    Tl:dr, but almost everyone hates Lipinski too. His more liberal opposition in the primary is always split 4-5 or more ways (thanks purity trolls), and then the Republican opposition is only token.
    He’s a Blue Dog in a fairly liberal, multiracial area. It would be nice to get a better De m in there.
    Apologies if someone already said this.

    ReplyReply
  189. 189
    StringOnAStick says:

    As for that magic 27% number, Colorado had an item on the ballot to remove the definition of slavery from the state constitution. It passed but the number who voted against it was just under 27%. And the activist who got this one on the ballot woke up to a pile of his pro-removal literature burning on his porch the morning of election day. Even in a place as blue as this one just went, there are still Nazi assholes, and as usual that 27% number shows up again.

    ReplyReply
  190. 190
    Mnemosyne says:

    @C Stars:

    My brother in Thousand Oaks is packed up and waiting to see if they have to evacuate because of the same fire so, um, don’t be a fucking asshole, K?

    ReplyReply
  191. 191
    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @Roger Moore: As an amateur student of The Great War, I cosign your take on the military. Once the German advance on Paris was stopped at the Marne, the combination of entrenchment, machine guns, barbed wire, long-range artillery (which FTR killed more soldiers than the MGs) and later poison gas made stalemate in the West, as you say, almost inevitable. And major roles in enforcing that was played by the railroads and primitive communications. Troops moved to the fronts at railroad speed (30-50 mph) till the tracks ran out; from the railheads they moved at the speed of a marching man, 3 mph max (there being too few draft animals & not enough fodder for them &, beyond the Parisian suburbs, not enough motor transport). Any assault on an enemy position took place at the speed of a walking man,as did any exploitation of a breach in the opposing lines.* Meanwhile the defender could bring fresh troops up to the railheads at railroad speeds.

    * It is true that cavalry units, at least early in the war, waited behind the lines for the infantry to punch a hole in the opposing trenches that they might exploit. The problem was how to order them into battle. The fastest communications between forward trenches and the command HQs well back (out of artiller range) was by telephone, but no matter how assiduously the armies tried to protect the wires by burying them, enemy artillery routinely chewed them up, & repair units busted their butts to keep up. Otherwise comms were via runners, who if spotted were prime targets for the enemy – use of a motorcycle or even bicycles near the front lines was hazardous to the runner’s health. So word of a breakthrough arrived at HQ at the runner’s pace, & orders to exploit it at the same speed, while the defenders brought their troops up at RR speed…

    Essentially, all the technological developments of the previous 50 years favored the defenders of fixed, well-fortified positions,, IOW stalematee.

    It wasn’t until the last year of the war that the technological solutions for how to overrun multiple-trench positions were perfected. For the Allies it was the tank – whose primary role was to flatten the barbed wire & allow the onrushing soldiers to burst into the trench systems at full speed (before then the need to cut the barbed wire had held up the infantry long enough for the machine guns & artillery to destroy them). On the German side it was stormtroopers – small groups of well-armed but highly mobile soldiers whose task was to penetrate the trench system as swiftly as possible, bypassing strong points for the following wave to reduce.

    I blame the politicians less than you do – my impression is that once the Western Front had hardened, public opinion on neither side would have supported a negotiated settlement. The Allied public could accept nothing less than the return of all occupied territory in France and Belgium; the German public would not accept a retreat from those positions, which until 1918 had never been successfully breached. Avoiding frontal assaults would be seen as doing nothing to end the war & like as not get Allied governments sacked; they had to be seen to be trying something; so the generals came up with plans that didn’t work based on assumptions that turned out to be wrong, & proceeded to feed hundreds of thousands into the woodchipper of combat (witness the Somme).

    ReplyReply
  192. 192
    Marcopolo says:

    @Mnemosyne: My thoughts exactly. WTF. Learn to empathize. And that cuts across all racial/class/ religious/geographic lines. Unless they are Nazis.

    ReplyReply
  193. 193
    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @Robert Sneddon: IIRC there is a memorial in London Paddington station about halfway up the tracks on the southern side to railroad workers who marched off to the Great War & never came home. I distinctly recall noticing it from the arrival area in the distance & walking over to see what it was.

    FTR last Sunday was the 100th anniversary of the death of Wilfred Owen, arguably the finest of the Great War poets. Killed by artillery as he was getting his men across a creek IIRC – a week before the Armistice.

    Red lips are not so red
    As the stained stones kissed by the English dead.
    Kindness of wooed and wooer
    Seems shame to their love pure.
    O Love, your eyes lose lure
    When I behold eyes blinded in my stead!

    What a waste…

    ReplyReply
  194. 194
    Amir Khalid says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    It might be sentimental to pay one’s respects to those who suffered and died in a war that ended a century ago, but it is also honorable.

    ReplyReply
  195. 195
    frosty says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷:

    I’d like to move Southern California. It was beautiful and exciting place when I visited two years ago. I’d also consider NYC or Pitssburgh.

    Dead thread I’m sure, but I’d vote for Pittsburgh. Good liberal mayor, lots of interesting neighborhoods, rivers and mountains. Close to Ohio if you want to go back to visit friends. SoCal and NYC are both pretty damned expensive, too.

    ReplyReply
  196. 196
    J R in WV says:

    @Mingobat (f/k/a Karen in GA):

    Oh, Mingobat, I’m so sorry! I just got home from weekly errands put off until Friday on account of election/vote counting/happy for some wins, sasad for other losses, and saw your note about Elwood. He had a great decade with you guys, and knew you were working to help him all the way.

    Thanks for the update on his condition. None of the fur babies last long enough! We’ve had doubts about adopting young critters at out age, although the neighbors would take of our local dogs. That’s hard on the critters, tho.

    Take care of yourself, too!!

    ReplyReply
  197. 197
    J R in WV says:

    @Mingobat (f/k/a Karen in GA):

    Oh, Mingobat, I’m so sorry! I just got home from weekly errands put off until Friday on account of election/vote counting/happy for some wins, sad for other losses, and saw your note about Elwood. He had a great decade with you guys, and knew you were working to help him all the way.

    Thanks for the update on his condition. None of the fur babies last long enough! We’ve had doubts about adopting young critters at out age, although the neighbors would take care of our local dogs. That’s hard on the critters, tho.

    Take care of yourself, too!!

    ReplyReply
  198. 198
    J R in WV says:

    @Ohio Mom:

    This is true of people from West Virginia too. It started earlier here than in Ohio, and more smart West Virginians are gone now. I have so many great friends who are still here, tho. That makes it hard to leave. But I am really torn!

    ReplyReply
  199. 199
    J R in WV says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt:

    are there any large commemorations of the 100th Anniversary of the end of WW1 over in the US?

    Yes, but the nationalists changed 11/11 holiday from armistice day to veterans day some years ago, so now it’s just another day with flags and bluster, paratroops falling from the sky into football stadiums, and a bank holiday. Government workers get Monday off — that would be the 12th, not the 11th.

    So no vestiges of WW I in France left, as everyone who remembers is dead, and history isn’t taught any more. The failure of education is why we’re being taken over by fascist racist morons today!

    ReplyReply
  200. 200
    Hunter says:

    @Butch: Chicago’s Southwest Side used to contain, among other things, the headquarters of the American Nazi party. At the time my grandmother lived there (many years ago), there was a large Lithuanian refugee/expat population, who uniformly hated the Russians (i.e., “communists”) because of the postwar occupation of Lithuania by the Soviet Union. It was bad enough that you couldn’t even listen to Tchaikovsky. Needless to say, a lot of the people in the part of town weren’t unsympathetic to the Nazis, although most of them would have bristled if you lumped them together.

    I suspect it’s still the most conservative part of Chicago.

    ReplyReply

Leave a Comment

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *