Recounts!

Here’s a nice, fresh thread for you all. Some recount news:

Updated at 9:00 PM EST

And my two favorites, one each from Arizona and Florida:

It ain’t over till it’s over. Also, the manner in which we conduct elections is a global embarrassment! MAKE AN EFFORT!

And in honor of that, here’s Al Murray who will, at some point in this part of his routine, yell MAKE AN EFFORT!

Open thread!

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    Mathguy says:

    Please, baby jeebus, take down Voldemort. Pretty please.

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    JPL says:

    truthfully if the repubs want to stop the vote in Arizona right now, I’m fine with that result.

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    tobie says:

    Do we have any idea how many early votes remain to be counted? Schales says 3-4K, but Caputo suggests there might be more. And then there are the provisional ballots: I wonder how many people confirmed their signatures by the 5 pm deadline today. So many factors at play here.

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    No idea how Florida turns out, since I don’t know how many ballots are outstanding, and from where. If we get to the few thousand or less range, I will think Nelson has an actual shot.

    Great news about Sinema. I think she’s going to be a PITA to work with, but since senators have 6 years – that’s a lot of time for demographic change to make Arizona into a real swing state.

    Any updates on the close House races? I know there aren’t many left, but it seems like there were still 10-15 that were not yet finalized (including the high-profile ones in CA).

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mathguy: Elias is a sharp guy. He made a statement earlier today that when this is all done, he expects that Nelson will remain the senior senator from Florida.

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    tobie says:

    @Adam L Silverman: The second Elias tweet to Silver was a twitter version of a whack on the back of the head. I like this guy.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @PsiFighter37: I have a hunch — of course my hunches have been very wrong before — that Sinema as a Sen. might go on a Gillibrand-like journey from center to center-left (or perhaps BACK to center-left).

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    lamh36 says:

    I don’t tend to buy non-fiction, esp political non-fiction, and I can’t tell you the last time I ordered a hardcover of a book…but this one is already pre-ordered!

    @kylegriffin1
    Michelle Obama blasts Trump in her book, recalling when Trump won, she tried to “block it all out.”

    Obama denounces the Access Hollywood tape, saying Trump meant, “I can hurt you and get away with it” and accuses him of ‘stalking’ Clinton during a debate
    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1060706046208065536

    I tell you one thing, Chump betta just keep it moving and not bother coming for Michelle O…he ain’t even ready for what will come his way…

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    Mai Naem mobile says:

    I don’t want to jinx anything so no celebrating over Sinemas lead. Some Republican on the Twitter machine says that the military absentee ballots and the early absentees from the old folks’ areas will be counted last in Maricopa which would favor McSally. I have no idea what order this stuff is counted . We will find out.
    Oh,and BTW fuck the greens. Assholes.

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    Platonailedit says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Silver’s likely R to lean R tweet doesn’t make sense given what he says later.

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    Platonailedit says:

    @PsiFighter37: It’s fucking AZ. And you want a ‘real’ librul? Get real.

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    germy says:

    Andrea Mitchell reporting that what they did to Acosta was planned and aides were caught laughing in anticipation— Mom (@Mom0U812) November 8, 2018

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    chris says:

    Recounts and protests too. Hundreds of protests. Way to go, America!

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    FelonyGovt says:

    @PsiFighter37: Several of the close California House races are still fluid. Not looking great, but Katie Porter, Gil Cisneros and Josh Harder all seem to still have a shot. Looks like Rouda is safely ahead of Rohrabacher. Ballots are still being counted because it was possible to mail in ballots on Election Day itself, also there are provisional ballots to review.

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    Mary G says:

    The protests seem pretty robust – even in Germany. This whole thread has photos from all over:

    Finally! So relieved. We’re in Europe on a fam emergency trying to make the most of it. We are standing in front of the former Nazi party HQ talking about how the Nuremberg trials, under American leadership, established first that no one is above the rule of law. #ProtectMueller pic.twitter.com/oHlFJNNyd5— Ryu (@tweetlyhowled) November 9, 2018

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    Adam L Silverman says:

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @tobie: There was a reply I can’t find now where he flat out said that when all the votes are counted and the recount is completed that Nelson will still be a US senator. Elias does not strike me as the type to make claims that he doesn’t think he can back up.

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    germy says:

    Instead of just thanking women of color for electing progressive leaders yesterday, America elected women of color as those leaders.

    — Kamala Harris (@KamalaHarris) November 8, 2018

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    tobie says:

    @Adam L Silverman: That’s reassuring. Thanks.

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    Mary G says:

    People near the fire protesting with masks on:

    .@IndivisibleHBG braved the smoke to come out and #ProtectMueller: pic.twitter.com/BS8IVBBXrh— Indivisible Guide (@IndivisibleTeam) November 9, 2018

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    @germy: So what are you and your fellow reporters going to do about it, Andrea?

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    Baud says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Blame Hillary for not holding more press conferences.

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    germy says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Mrs. Greenspan has done all she will do.

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    White & Gold Purgatorian says:

    It was a surprise to check the news Wed. morning and see Sinema had “lost.” Very pleased to find out there were more votes to be counted. Also feeling better about Florida as votes actually get counted.

    I’m totally in favor of sending $$ to Florida, Arizona and Georgia for lawyers and recounts, but let us not forget there is going to be a runoff election in Mississippi the end of this month and the Democrat, Mike Espy, will need all help anyone can spare.

    Yeah, Mississippi. Democrat. Long shot. But my junior Senator is a fellow named Doug Jones and Espy can’t be a longer shot than that. I’m very thankful to people all around the country, many on this blog, who helped Doug last year. After a decade of loss after loss after loss, it felt so damned good when he won. I’d like Mississippi Democrats to get a taste of that winning feeling too — and for the full 6 year term in this case.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    I just put this up as an update in the post:

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @FlipYrWhig: She used to be Green Party.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Platonailedit: Twitter may not be the most optimal platform for getting accurate information out.

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    Platonailedit says:

    All 19 black women running for judge in Texas county win https://t.co/b4MEpEYg7y pic.twitter.com/RPAwBgZ0Jp— The Hill (@thehill) November 8, 2018

    Black. Women. Texas. Judge. Win.

    Words that were never before seen together.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @germy: It was a set up:

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    Platonailedit says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Sounds like lotsa ass covering by these so called professional pollsters.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Platonailedit: Silver isn’t actually a pollster. He’s a data miner, modeler, and analyst of other people’s polling and surveying. He’s very good at what he does, but like everything else he can only be as good as the data he gets. And we know the public polling in Florida was off going into the election by a few points, we just didn’t know which way.

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    bluehill says:

    On AZ, local AZ news guy (@vaughnhillyard) was tweeting that another bucket of ballots is going to be announced that should favor McSally, so it sounds like this could go back and forth before it’s finally over.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    This is also welcome news reporting:

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    Mayim says:

    ME-2 likely won’t be decided until next week. Ranked choice voting [a.k.a frugal Yankee version of run off; why pay for a second Election Day.] is in play, and it takes time to count the votes ~ especially as many small towns here still count by hand. We’re the most rural state in the country, so we have lots of smal towns.

    But, with any luck, we’ve managed to unseat Poliquin.

    Maine has definitely taken a turn for the better this week ;-)

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    Baud says:

    @Mayim: How is Maine more rural than Wyoming?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    Ooopsie!

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    Platonailedit says:

    Democratic gains

    7 governorships: IL, KS, MI, NM, ME, WI, NV

    6 state legislative chambers flipped: CO Senate, CT Senate, NH Senate, NH House, MN House, ME Senate

    323 legislative seats

    4 state attorneys general

    https://t.co/ZyboRt780L— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) November 9, 2018

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    NonyNony says:

    @Baud: Wyoming is less “rural” than it is “empty”. Even if you take away the National Park land, you still have just vast swaths of land that nobody even lives near, let alone uses for farming or ranching.

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    Kent says:

    @Baud:

    @Mayim: How is Maine more rural than Wyoming?

    A higher percentage of the population in Maine lives in what the census classifies as rural areas compared to Wyoming where a larger percentage of the population lives in towns and small cities.

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    Dan B says:

    @Baud: Or Alaska,…… oh, forgot it’s justeast Vladibearia. With more Libertarians.

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    @Platonailedit: That wasn’t the allusion I was making; it was that Sinema has traveled rightward over her political career, and it seems like she does it more out of expediency. That said, it’s clearly worked – she turned her House district into a safe D one while she was there.

    @bluehill: Think we just wait and see at this point. Unless there is solid precinct information about where these votes are coming from…who knows That said, I’d rather be in front than behind as the outstanding vote count dwindles.

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    Kent says:

    @Dan B: The majority of the population of Alaska lives in Anchorage, Fairbanks and Juneau. Those are not rural.

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    japa21 says:

    @Platonailedit: Just as important and sometimes overlooked is the the GOP in NC lost their supermajority.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Michael Grunwald @ MikeGrunwald
    Somebody wake up Bill Nelson and tell him there’s something happening.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @germy: Here’s an even better one.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: This is funny because it is true!

    And I say that as someone who likes Nelson and voted for him every time he’s run for the Senate.

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    Mayim says:

    @Baud:
    Highest percentage of people living in rural areas ~ about 61% here in Maine, according to the Census Bureau.
    Vermont is a close second, at 60%. The next two are West Virginia and Mississippi, at about 50% each.
    Wyoming is at about 35%. California and New Jersey are the least rural, at about 5%.

    I work at the state library, and our rural population has a big impact on service delivery.

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    Kent says:

    @Adam L Silverman: It’s like they are still all in 7th grade.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Kent: Remedial section.

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    oldgold says:

    Florida now has his attention. This is a good sign.

    @realDonaldTrump
    15m
    Law Enforcement is looking into another big corruption scandal having to do with Election Fraud in #Broward and Palm Beach. Florida voted for Rick Scott!

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    Mai Naem mobile says:

    @PsiFighter37: I don’t think she turned it into a safe blue district. It turned blue demographically and through gentrification of the area.

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    philpm says:

    @oldgold: Voldemort is doing his best to steal his own Senate election: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/getting-ugly-fast

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    chopper says:

    @philpm:

    so rick scott, the guy who’s government is in charge of making sure the votes are all counted, is alleging that those votes are being deliberately miscounted…against rick scott. is that about right?

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    suzanne says:

    I never thought I would be rooting for Sinema this hard, since she stinks. But GO KYRSTEN GO.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    What’s with Scott sending cops to recounting places in south? FL?

    Sorry if already discussed. Haven’t read comments yet.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @philpm: He’s up against Marc Elias. Elias’s socks are better at this than Rick Scott is.

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    philpm says:

    @chopper: You win a cigar (or other prize of your choice).

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    philpm says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I don’t doubt that a bit.

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    tobie says:

    @Adam L Silverman: @philpm: All this is true…and yet the Republican Party has become so lawless and so unhinged that I wouldn’t be surprised if Scott hatched the idea of impounding all ballots in Broward County via some sort of executive order. I would hope that lands Scott in an orange jumpsuit but that would take time and at this point he and his party are just looking to work their supporters up into a fit.

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    Mayim says:

    @Kent:

    Yup. Norther Maine has large empty forests but in the rest of the state, it’s small ~ very small ~ towns.

    Drive through a cluster of a dozen houses, a church [even odds on Unitarian vs. Congregational ~ either will have excellent church suppers], a fire hall, a town office, and a small grocery/large convenience store, plus maybe a couple others ~ library, barber, car repair that’s just about to outgrow a residential garage.
    Drive ten or fifteen minutes along a narrow, windy road [with or without a barrier along the edge of a small lake you pas] with occasional houses scattered along the road, then another cluster as above. Repeat until you get to the ocean, New Hampshire, or Canada.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @tobie: It has become very clear, to the point where people who purposefully try to ignore these things, that the Republican Party is opposed to small “d” democracy.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    This is so obviously true, democracy is now meaningless to Republicans, who want to tell us that we live in a Republic, not a Democracy.

    I think part of it is that they get it (the kind of government) confused with the party names. Obviously we can’t be a democracy if their party is Republican, right>?

    And you still don’t get to not count votes in an election, even in a republic~!!!~ Got to count the votes, regardless ! They’ve got me so pissed off it’s bad for my health. Is that a tort, lawyer jackels?

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    Yarrow says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Rick Scott just attacked me as a lawyer from Washington DC as he announced a lawsuit literally in the name of the national Republican Party located in Washington, D.C.

    Pro tip: when you are attacking the otherside’s lawyers, you are losing. Cc:
    @normcoleman @PatMcCroryNC
    https://t.co/NlCy3EEDoK— Marc E. Elias (@marceelias) November 9, 2018

    LOL. Look who he tags in at the end of his tweet.

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    Yarrow says:

    Scott seems rattled.

    I feel like this can't be emphasized enough. The governor of the state — who has the power to remove the Broward Supervisor of Elections any time he wants — used a campaign event to order state police to investigate the Broward Supervisor of Elections. https://t.co/FzCs4zx7fj— Dan Sweeney (@Daniel_Sweeney) November 9, 2018

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    r€nato says:

    I was down at Maricopa County election central today helping count ballots (the ones that were not read correctly by the Optiscan machines, the ones where you connect the head and tail of the arrow) when Adrian Fontes gave his mid-day press conference. He did not name the Rapeublicans but he was PISSED about the lawsuit that attempted to manipulate the vote-counting process.

    Fontes is a great guy, a Democrat who came out of nowhere to defeat a 28 years-long GOP incumbent whose office was waaaaay behind the times technology-wise and of course made national news by fucking up the 2016 presidential preference primary. He is very open and committed to lots of communication with the public and modernizing the Recorder’s office, including elections. Sadly, I think that the GOP will politicize the next election for this office that was for so long practically as forgotten and inconsequential as mine inspector.

    BTW, during the press conference I spotted the long-time lead trainer for the former occupant of the office. I said “hi” and told her I recognized her from previous training sessions. She had absolutely no interest in hearing about it, the woman radiated bitterness. I wonder what useless office job they shoved her off to after her boss lost in 2016.

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    Mandalay says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I think you have the wrong Nate – it was about Cohn, not Silver.

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    frosty says:

    Thanks Adam, that was a hoot! Never saw him before, caught about 3/4 of what he said, but it was all hilarious. That poor girl in the front row was a good sport!

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    frosty says:

    @Mary G: Damn, something in my eye.

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    a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio) says:

    @White & Gold Purgatorian: Espy was regarded as very sound on farm policy by Mississippians when he was in the House. Given what’s happened to the soybean market this past year, that may count for something.

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