Floriduh Counts

Florida voted.

Florida counted.

And now Florida recounts

Lots of things are happening.

Normal sources of vote count changes include:

  • Transcription and reporting errors that are caught on a recanvass
  • Late absentee ballots legally arriving
  • Machine recounts
  • Provisional ballots being counted after verification of whatever element led to a provisional instead of a regular ballot being cast

Unusual sources of movement


So send lawyers and money to the Sunshine State



73 replies
  1. 1
    Mnemosyne says:

    So send lawyers and money to the Sunshine State.

    No need to send guns. They have plenty already.

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    @Mnemosyne: They should send Newton, as an observer.

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    Martin says:

    And, as you would expect, the GOP are going to object to the recount rules that they themselves put in place. Because, fuck you.

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    piratedan says:

    @Mnemosyne: Marco Rubio is on Twitter already stating that the lawyers showing up to oversee the recount are there to steal the election…. If they’re doing hand recounts, I wonder if there might be other discrepancies that get discovered…. and that has Marco worried….. Just speculatin’ …..

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    ruemara says:

    I’ve been promoting the recount volunteer request and reminding people to finalize their provisional ballots and check their absentee ballots since yesterday. I sincerely hope we pull these races out. It would be icing on the cake.

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    Yutsano says:

    Welp…we knew some of these things might turn out close. But the more the Repukes fight the recounts the more it looks like there’s stuff they don’t want out there. Which means we do.

    @Redshift: Methinks the little Rubio doth protest too much.

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    Redshift says:

    @piratedan: Lil’ Marco says “democrat lawyers” “have been very clear they aren’t here to make sure every vote is counted.”

    Naturally, he cites no one in this assertion. You were the ones who stayed the Brooks Brothers Riot, asshole, not us.

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    Rommie says:

    Would Chief Justice Roberts put a Bush v Gore II on his resume if they are asked to make a ruling? I’d bet on Yes, because it’d be only Gov. or Senate races. And it’d be just as awful a ruling as the original. AND a vindication of Not Merrick Garland in a SC seat, one of many vindications I’m worried is coming in the next two years.

    IOW, it doesn’t matter if there’s more votes out there if no one’s legally allowed to count them.

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    Mandalay says:


    that has Marco worried…..

    I think you are right. Rubio knew very well that Scott’s “victory” wasn’t a done deal on election night, which is precisely why he was pressing Nelson to be a surrender monkey, and throw in the towel…

    Bill Nelson is an honorable man who has has served #Florida & America with distinction. If legitimate reasons exist to wait until conceding to @ScottforFl I respect that. But if not, I know he will concede soon with the dignity which has characterized his public service

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    feebog says:

    I’m still convinced that a full recount on 2000 would have resulted in President Al Gore.

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    Yarrow says:

    What the hell?

    In Broward County, Miramar Elementary School teacher Lakeisha Sorey came across a box labeled “Provisional ballots” left behind at the school from Election Day & she’s concerned it might have votes. She didn’t look in the box because she didn’t want to tamper with it pic.twitter.com/x8WOa8tfKz— Marc Caputo (@MarcACaputo) November 8, 2018

    How are we allowed to monitor elections in other countries?

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    JPL says:

    @feebog: Easily. Why do you think Jeb destroyed all the ballots?

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    chopper says:

    the phrase “florida recount” still makes me shudder. ugh.

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    trollhattan says:

    California burning–the “Camp Fire” that started in Butte County about six this morning spread to 8k acres midday and is now estimated at 18k acres. High winds predicted to continue through tonight.

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    Schlemazel says:

    My first Florida election was 1994. I was waiting to hear results from Brevard County. It was announced on TV that those results were on hold because a large number of ballots had gone missing. I thought”wow, there will be hell to pay for that”

    Nope an election judge had taken them home, in unlocked bags and forgotten them in the trunk of her car. Certainly that would be investigated. Nope. The votes were counted as nothing strange had happened and nothing more was said.

    About 500 here for rally in 15 minutes

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    Marco Rubio is on Twitter already stating that the lawyers showing up to oversee the recount are there to steal the election

    It’s always projection with these fuckers. Always.

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    kindness says:

    Republicans…..damn they are skanky. At least I don’t think the Russians hacked the voting machines…..yet.

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    Mandalay says:


    Lil’ Marco says “democrat lawyers” “have been very clear they aren’t here to make sure every vote is counted.”

    Lil’ Marco is in a bad place. Nobody likes him.

    He refused to campaign against Bill Nelson, so if Scott eventually wins I suspect he will be doing all he can to unseat the vile little fucker in 2022. And if Nelson eventually wins he’s unlikely to forget that Rubio was telling him to throw in the towel long before all the votes were counted.

    Plus Trump despises Rubio with the heat of a thousand suns. Rubio could wear that as a badge of honor I suppose, but he wouldn’t dare.

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    Yutsano says:

    @kindness: I know I’ve been shouted down for this before, but I still think to this day they messed with the votes directly in Pennsylvania.

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    Comrade Colette Collaboratrice says:

    @trollhattan: It’s huge. There’s an uncanny, hazy redshift already here in San Francisco. I’m sorry as hell to see another awful fire, even though it’s providing the appropriate atmosphere for tonight’s Mueller Protection rallies. I’m going to the one at City Hall.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Roger Moore:
    Think the Tweet I saw had li’l marco saying “democrat lawyers” because even he has to use the code book. See also: “beautiful coal.”

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    piratedan says:

    @Yutsano: as the connections mount up and the fact that the GOP essentially asked the Russians to hack the Democrats, boasted about having done so, engaged in voter suppression tactics in multiple states, used hacked information to target voters via social media and then flood the said same media with bots to drive their messages and took all of that money in order to make that happen and hide it in phony PAC’s and LLC’s to not allow anyone to track it, I find it shocking to think that they would go so far as to actually tamper with vote counts… you go waaaay to far out on that limb for me…… not.

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    Martin says:

    Here’s OC California’s counting situation:

    Total Ballots Left to Count
    Total estimated number of ballots to count (after Election Day): 434,200
    Total estimated number of ballots counted (after Election Day): 14,244

    Total Estimated Left to Count: 419,956

    Total estimated number of vote-by-mail ballots left to count: 41,556
    Total estimated number of provisionals left to count: 160,000
    Total estimated number of vote-by-mail ballots returned at the polls left to count: 187,800
    Total estimated number of election day paper ballots left to count: 13,200
    Total estimated number of eligible vote-by-mail ballots left to count: 15,600
    Total estimated number of Conditional Voter Registrations left to count: 1,800

    Here in OC we use (rather good) voting machines with a paper trail. But the vote totals as reported on Tuesday night is about 660,000. So about 40% of the vote hasn’t yet been counted. This is due to a bunch of new laws that we’re just seeing implemented for the first time.

    We’re expanding vote by mail, so that volume is up. The first category of 41K is mail in votes receive before election day that hadn’t been counted. About 100K were counted before the first precincts reported Tuesday. The 15K in the 2nd to last category are those postmarked by election day that were received after Tuesday. That number could still go up as ballots are still received. The 160K provisionals is a lot bigger than I expected. I saw two provisionals cast when I voted (on the same machine that I voted on, but with a special code that marked it as provisional) that were due to the name or address on the rolls not matching. We have a lot of first generation Americans here, and foreign names don’t always align nicely with American naming conventions. In both cases the voters got a nice ‘that’s okay, cast your ballot and we’ll put a note and get it sorted out’.

    Starting this year, or at least changed for this year, is the ability to drop off your mail in ballot at any polling place. That was used a lot. 2 of my staff did that. In fact, one made a mistake on hers, and got a new ballot on election day and turned that one in. She said it was easy. When I did canvassing training I was a bit shocked to see that canvassers can take your mail in ballot. We took ballots, turned them in at the campaign organizing point where they were signed in and then delivered to the Registrar of Voters. Kris Kobach would have died on the spot at learning that.

    The 13000 election day paper ballots were either voters that requested a paper ballot, or polling places where the computer may not have been working. Our polling place had a big stack of paper ballots. Possibly enough for every expected voter. The conditional voter registrations are for voters that register same day. They cast effectively a provisional ballot that isn’t counted until the registration is processed.

    CA has automatic voter registration from the driver’s license database, and does pre-registration for 16 and 17 year olds, which turns into a registration automatically when you turn 18. Pretty good system for getting everyone registered.

    So, there’s a LOT of counting still to go at least in our part of CA. As I said, this is the first time going through some of these new changes, so hopefully it’ll get a bit faster in the future.

    So the Dem is trailing by 7,000 votes in CA-45 with over 100,000 still to count. The Dem is leading by 3,000 in CA-48 with about the same number still to count. The Dem party seems pretty confident that they’ll pull out both of these races. We’ll see.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Florida officers catch giant lizard that terrified neighbors

    Florida authorities have caught a huge lizard that has terrified residents of a suburban Miami neighborhood for months.

    The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission said today the Asian water monitor lizard measures more than 8 feet long.

    The lizard is an escaped pet. It was first reported loose in August in a Davie neighborhood. Residents said it lurked in their backyards and scratched at their patio doors.

    Jeb Bush is now safely back in custody. //

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    MomSense says:



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    Chris T. says:


    Nope an election judge had taken them home, in unlocked bags and forgotten them in the trunk of her car.

    Well, naturally. I mean, it’s not as though elections are rare, unusual, or interesting events, after all. They’re just something the election judge does every day, and most days she just takes the votes home each time, so this was just like every other day, she just forgot she was supposed to deliver them this time….

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    pk says:

    I’m surprised Gillum conceded so soon. I didn’t expect him to pull an Al Gore. Stacy Abrams got it right, so did Nelson. Why should you concede before all the votes are counted?
    Florida just needs to go away somewhere.

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    Brachiator says:


    the phrase “florida recount” still makes me shudder. ugh.

    Where is Hanging Chad these days?

  29. 29


    Where is Hanging Chad these days?

    I think he’s hanging around with Stacey. Isn’t that what Chads always do?

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    Brachiator says:


    Here’s OC California’s counting situation

    Los Angeles County is kinda crazy according to a couple of news stories:

    The election may be over, but officials say nearly a million ballots have yet to be counted in Los Angeles County, leaving the outcome of one tight race up in the air.

    Of the estimated 984,000 outstanding ballots, almost 60% are vote-by-mail ballots collected at the polls or postmarked on or before election day, and nearly 40% are provisional ballots, according to the Los Angeles County Registrar-Recorder/County Clerk.

    The agency will continue to log vote-by-mail ballots postmarked appropriately through Friday.

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    Yarrow says:

    Total shocker:

    NEW: Interior Sec Zinke is exploring a role with Fox News and could leave his job in the administration by year's end, Politico is reporting.— Laura Litvan (@LauraLitvan) November 8, 2018

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    J R in WV says:



    I don’t doubt that the Russians and their whackaloon subsidiaries would have tried to change ballots and vote totals via hacking machines and or networks. But I do doubt that they actually did so, because it’s really hard, and the Russians probably didin’t care who actually won.

    They knew that if Clinton won the Republicans wouldn’t ever let up on her for a second, and if Trump won, well, enough said, totally Trump mischief for the rest of his term.

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    JPL says:

    @Yarrow: hahahahahahahaha Now Fox News will save trump the trouble of firing the thief.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @J R in WV:

    the Russians probably didin’t care who actually won.

    I beg to differ.

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    piratedan says:

    @J R in WV: JR, the point you make are reasonable and sensible, I just find it hard to remove anything from the table in these times where it looks likely that one political party candidate committed treason against the United States and at the very least, the political party that he represented, has sanctioned, condoned, aided and abetted it to allow them to gain power.

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    TenguPhule says:

    The Trump administration introduced new measures Thursday to deny asylum to migrants who enter the country illegally, invoking national security powers to curb long-standing humanitarian protections for foreigners arriving on American soil.

    The restrictions will invoke authorities used by Trump to implement his “travel ban” in early 2017, according to senior administration officials who outlined them, and apply indefinitely.

    The measures are expected to face swift legal challenges. Immigrant advocacy groups insist that U.S. laws clearly extend asylum protections to anyone who reaches the United States and expresses a fear of persecution, no matter how they enter the country.

    We literally can’t get one day without these Nazis pulling illegal shit.

    Trump isn’t letting the “caravan” fade away. He’s using it to start brush fires everywhere in the Constitution.

  37. 37

    When did Judy Woodruff become such a Republican tool.

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    Los Angeles County is kinda crazy according to a couple of news stories

    Unfortunately, I can’t find this information anywhere on the official web site. They have vote counts, and they say how many votes were in person vs. vote by mail, but if they have something saying how many votes they have left to count, it’s well hidden.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @J R in WV:

    The fact that the Russians were providing stolen emails to Republicans running for House seats says to me that they very much wanted the Republicans to control the presidency and both houses of Congress in 2016. Thinking that they would juice that along by switching votes in a few crucial states to give Trump a technical victory doesn’t seem that crazy to me.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    I got that reference.

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    Interior Sec Zinke is exploring a role with Fox News and could leave his job in the administration by year’s end

    He’s retiring to spend more time with his defense attorneys.

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    piratedan says:

    @schrodingers_cat: she’s older, white and has a position of authority, and she’s the clone of Andrea Mitchell

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    The Lodger says:

    @Brachiator: The combination of ballots and wildfires is kind of making me nervous…

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    Brachiator says:

    @Roger Moore:

    Unfortunately, I can’t find this information anywhere on the official web site. They have vote counts, and they say how many votes were in person vs. vote by mail, but if they have something saying how many votes they have left to count, it’s well hidden.

    Yeah. The LA Times and KTLA reported on this, but nothing at the official county site.

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    C Stars says:

    @trollhattan: Where are you? Are you and yours safe?

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    Brachiator says:

    Earlier there had been posts about Asian American voting patterns. Here is some October 2018 info I found.

    Quick summary: Trump Job Approval
    Vietnamese, 64 percent
    Filipino 48% (an even split)
    Korean, 32 percent
    Asian Indian, 28 percent
    Chinese, 24 percent
    Japanese, 14 percent

    A good amount of detail analysis here as well.

    Gotta go.


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    Shakti says:


    Lil’ Marco is in a bad place. Nobody likes him.

    He refused to campaign against Bill Nelson, so if Scott eventually wins I suspect he will be doing all he can to unseat the vile little fucker in 2022. And if Nelson eventually wins he’s unlikely to forget that Rubio was telling him to throw in the towel long before all the votes were counted.

    Plus Trump despises Rubio with the heat of a thousand suns. Rubio could wear that as a badge of honor I suppose, but he wouldn’t dare.

    Scott is evil, but not stupid. What would actively working to unseat Rubio do for him? I could see him giving just as much support as Rubio gave him. He did just refuse federal transportation funds at the beginning of the term as governor the Florida delegation fought for but he’d be walking in a situation where he’s the junior senator from the same state and party. But then again, Rubio is flop sweat and Scott looks like he’d unhinge his jaw and eat someone at the right time. Hmm.

    Nelson… who knows what he would do. I don’t know how much power Nelson wields as the senior senator over the junior senator from the opposing party that controls the Senate. Alas.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    Do you think the Russians sat out 2018 because they felt a divided Congress would cause more chaos?

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    cmorenc says:

    essential FTNYT this morning:
    – the D “blue wave” amounted only to a ripple
    – op-ed page featured couple of columnists (particularly Nick Kristof) spouting the “D’s won’t succeed unless/until they move to the center rather than progressive direction” meme
    – Trump plans to kick sand in the faces of the Ds if their investigations dare come after him.

    …and no, I can’t cancel my subscription to the FTNYT – I neither subscribe to it nor ever buy it. Rather, I read a freebie copy at Whole Foods having breakfast there this morning.

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    Shakti says:


    When Rubio ran for president in January 2016, Scott touted the candidacy of Donald Trump, an anti-establishment soulmate from the business world, writing in USA TODAY that Trump is “capturing the frustration of many Americans.” Though not an official endorsement, it was seen as a slap of sorts against the two Florida sons vying for the Republican presidential nomination: Rubio and former Gov. Jeb Bush.
    Later that year when Rubio opted to run for re-election after losing his White House bid, Scott declined to follow traditional political norms and back Rubio in the GOP Senate primary. Instead, the governor encouraged Republican businessman Carlos Beruff — “a good friend of mine” — to stay on the race. Beruff’s campaign hired Scott’s consulting firm, OnMessage, which aired hard-hitting ads against Rubio.

    That same year, Rubio and Nelson defended each other from partisan attacks, leveled by Scott and Democratic Senate candidate Patrick Murphy, that they weren’t doing enough to help Florida combat Zika, the virus that can cause birth defects and temporary paralysis among adults.

    Only in a state where a former governor loses a senate run because he hugged the President from another party (who isn’t a horrible human being) does any of this firebreathing make sense. :-/

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    piratedan says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷: i think they sat out because people were watching and actively working, as opposed to monitoring and waiting on people to “do the right thing”…… but ymmv but based on the polling and the activity seen, maybe they didn’t and we might have lost a few key races….

  53. 53


    Japanese, 14 percent

    Yeah, I can see how Japanese Americans might be especially offended by Trump’s internment camps.

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    @J R in WV: Hacking voting machines is actually so easy that an eleven-year-old did it in ten minutes a few months ago at Defcon. In all, some fifty children ages eight to sixteen successfully hacked voting machines. It’s literally so simple a child can do it.

    As I said in the previous thread, the only way this recount could be more Florida is if an alligator on bath salts were somehow declared the winner.

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    Yarrow says:

    Something’s happening:

    .@FLGovScott is holding a press conference at 8p.m. in Tallahassee to announce something related to Broward County voting problems. More to come…— Matt Dixon (@Mdixon55) November 8, 2018

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    JMG says:

    Oh, we’re headed back to the Supreme Court at warp speed. Doubtless the same verdict, too.

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    @JMG: This is probably a major reason why they rammed through their sexually assaulting alcoholic before the midterms even though it had a good chance of losing them some House seats. No doubt they figured the House was lost anyway, but they might could still steal a few Senate seats and governorships. I certainly hope there’s a different outcome, but as I’ve stated before, my hopes still aren’t high. Regardless, I think bringing their blatant thievery out into the open is probably still a net good even if it doesn’t flip any seats this year.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    Actually, IIRC, they did try. Someone tried to hack at least one Dem campaign.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷:

    I agree with piratedan — I think it’s less that the Russians sat it out and more that Democratic campaigns were aware of what to watch out for this time and had better security. I think Twitter and Facebook had some success in blocking Russian ‘bots, half-assed as those efforts were.

    Also, it’s hard to do that kind of disinformation campaign without one specific focus like they had with Hillary Clinton’s “corruption.” They were able to sound that drumbeat in multiple venues all across the political spectrum in 2016. There just wasn’t that kind of easy soundbite to use against the Democrats this year.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    IANAL, but does the Supreme Court have jurisdiction over a state election? They heard Bush v Gore because it had national implications, but states decide their own rules for elections.

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    tobie says:

    Rubio’s been lying all day that FL law requires that all vote by mail be reported within 30 minutes of the polls closing on election day. This is not true. FL law requires that all “tabulated” votes by mail be reported within 30 minutes. Tabulation on votes by mail can continue after this point till all votes are counted.

    P.S. Sinema evidently now leads by 2000 votes in AZ.

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    Yarrow says:

    The Dem in the Florida race for Agriculture Commissioner is leading by over 2,000 votes now! That would be an amazing win.

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    Mandalay says:

    O/T: Tweety is having a meltdown about the latest mass slaughter. He’s seems genuinely outraged and disgusted with Congress.

    Good for him.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @cmorenc: Maybe this is good–we can take over the whole country from the bottom up under the radar without the ruling party even really understanding they’re losing, like the Republicans did after 2008.

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    imonlylurking says:

    Florida has not countED, past tense. They are still countING, especially in Broward County.
    By the time they are done, both Gillum and Nelson may be in hand-recount territory (I believe Nelson hit that earlier today, Gillum is still in machine-recount territory).

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    Kent says:

    @Mnemosyne: I’ve never thought that the Russians were “Pro-Trump” so much as trying to sow chaos and discord and disrupt society in the US and Europe. So it would make sense for them to seize up the works even further by supporting a divided Congress that would make the US even less likely to stand up to whatever they are doing in Ukraine or Syria or wherever. Same reason they supported Brexit and the Catalonian independence movements.

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    Kent says:

    Is Sinema really pulling ahead? What’s a good link to the latest AZ news?

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    J R in WV says:

    I’m not sure there was no vote hacking in the 2016 election! l’m fully aware of how easy voting machines are to hack. You guys may be correct, the Russians may well have tinkered with totals between voting machines and accumulator machines at county clerk offices, or even with actual voting machines.

    I’m not sure there was, but electronic voting is so insecure, not able to be made secure really, we can’t actually know for sure whether there was or not. This is unfortunate, but I think that’s the way it is. I do have a degree in computer science and a career in developing systems that are secure behind me. I’m out of date, not a security admin by trade, but I have been there and done that in the past.

    I put nothing past the Rs and that stands for Russians and Republicans, or as I sometimes call them Russo-Republicans.

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    rikyrah says:

    I need for someone from Florida to explain to me why AG Commissioner is such a big position

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    @Kent: The AZ elections website has her up by 9,000 votes or so right now. Most of this coming from Maricopa, which (from my understanding) is less friendly territory than Pima County, which is more liberal. I think Sinema’s going to pull this one out, which means we flipped the seats that we were supposed to.

    As for FL – it seems like Nelson is now down less than 15,000. I’m not sure if he makes it all the way back, but goddamn it’s going to be a nailbiter. Good thing he’s not pulling the stupid David Boies move of asking for a recount in only specific counties.

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    Comrade Colette Collaboratrice says:

    @rikyrah: Partly because it’s a statewide office, so it’s significant to show that a Democratic candidate can still win statewide – and it controls, among other things, gun licenses.

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    Platonailedit says:

    floriduh + elections = gop fraud is the political equivalent of Einstein’s E = mc2

    Fucking fraudsters

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    Gvg says:

    @rikyrah: I can’t give a complete answer, but I can tell you Florida has a lot more agriculture than most people are aware of.We are big producers and not just in winter. We also have big beef ranches and fishing is still important.
    I think the Ag commissioner inspects the gas pumps to prevent skimming too.
    I am not sure but he may do hunting and fishing licenses.

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