Wednesday Morning Open Thread: Marching Towards A Finish Line

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    Chyron HR says:

    Jeez, I thought Mel Brooks was supposed to be the 2,000-year-old one.

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    NotMax says:

    The name means nada to me but I suppose carries weight in entertainment biz circles.

    “Modern Family” co-creator Steve Levitan has renewed his criticism Fox News and its parent company amid backlash to the cable channel’s coverage following the mass shooting Saturday at a synagogue in Pittsburgh.
    Levitan — whose overall deal with 20th Century Fox Television expired in July — told Variety that regardless of whether he re-ups with 20th or signs a new deal with another studio, he will not do business with the Murdoch family-controlled New Fox or its broadcast arm.

    “I’m not going to do anything for the Fox network ever again as long as Fox News remains such a destructive voice in our society,” he said. Source

    Late to the party, but better late than never.

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    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning,Everyone 😄😄😄

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    JGabriel says:

    Damn, I hope I hit 96 as hale, hearty, clear, and sharp as Carl Reiner appears to be in that video.

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    NotMax says:

    Halloween.morn music.

    And a bonus track for any hang tenners.

    (Less bouncy tunes in the wings for later in the day.)

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    satby says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: @rikyrah: Good morning rikyrah, Billin, and everyone 🎃 !
    It’s going to be an ugly race to the finish judging from the loud and proud deplorables at the market yesterday. I hate being in a red state.

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    Immanentize says:

    Hello All!
    Oddly feeling better today re: next week. My feelings of dread and “just get it over!” Seem to have been replaced with hope.

    And Red Sox victory parade which means I am staying home, far away from my University which is on the parade route!

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    p.a. says:

    Where was Cole when Whitey got whacked? It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

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    Immanentize says:

    @satby: what say these deplorable ones?

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    Immanentize says:

    @p.a.: Not at the scene of the crime, fer sure. Cole is a Capo, not a finger.

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    @Immanentize: Wouldn’t have been so much easier for you if the Dodgers had won?

    ETA: The kid was at Game 5, wasn’t a happy camper.

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    Immanentize says:

    I am sorry for the kid, but…. Meanwhile folks who went to game four got to see two games in one night! (18 innnings!)

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    @Immanentize: Something deplorable that can’t be repeated on a family blog.

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    NotMax says:


    I hate being in a red state.

    Heck, it’s a state which cannot decide on a time zone.

    On the other hand, a state which gifted us Jean Shepherd, Marjorie Main, Hoagy Carmichael, Carole Lombard, Cole Porter and Kurt Vonnegut Jr., which makes up for much.


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    @Immanentize: She had a friend who went to game four and IIRC left early.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Owing to the soaring cost of medicine in the US, the state of Utah is offering its public employees a new incentive: $500 and a trip to Mexico to buy prescription drugs at a cheaper price.

    “We can fly a health plan member to San Diego, have them picked up by private transport, receive the same drug as they would in the US from a hospital in Tijuana that meets US standards, give them a cash back incentive of $500, and still save between 40% to 60% for the employer,” said Chet Loftis, director of PEHP Health & Benefits, which insures some 170,000 public employees and their dependents.

    The plan was first reported by the Salt Lake Tribune. It emerged this fall in the wake of a new law that requires the state’s insurer to offer cash or other savings rewards when patients choose lower-cost health care options. Currently the plan applies to a specific set of expensive drugs used in the treatment of arthritis, autoimmune disorders, psoriasis, Crohn’s disease and prostate cancer. According to the Tribune, in the US a 28-day supply of the MS drug Avonexruns about $6,700, while in Tijuana it might cost approximately $2,200.

    “Everybody loves a good deal,” said Norm Thurston, the Republican congressman who sponsored the “right to shop” legislation. Too often, he said, patients just take the prescriptions handed to them by doctors and then pay whatever price the local pharmacy might charge. Many don’t seem to consider shopping for drugs they way they might shop for other goods. “We haven’t done a good job of engaging them as consumers,” Thurston said.

    In the past PEHP has offered the option for some out-of-country medical procedures, Loftis said. But that program offered no financial incentives for patients and as a result had “no takers”. “It’s one thing to offer zero for people to look at lower cost options, including going to Mexico,” he said. “With the cash back, rather than out of pocket, it actually puts money into your pocket.” The plan only allows patients to obtain a single 90-day supply of drugs per trip. It also pays patients the cash bonus each time they travel – meaning they could potentially receive $2,000 over the course of a year.

    Hey Norm? How’s about facing the reality that our medical system SUCKS!!!?

    ETA article quoted in whole because it just encapsulates everything that is wrong with medicine in the US

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    satby says:

    @Immanentize: very little to me personally. Two old white geezers were hollering at each other at the other end of the market about how great Drumpf was, I assume because both were too vain to wear the heating aids both obviously needed. The market takes up almost a city block, and I was laughing to myself about what Fox-addled idiots they were when an older (than me anyway) white woman walked by and asked what was so funny. I told her I was laughing at the guys proclaiming their love of Drumpf and she said she thought he had done a lot for the country (ugh). I’m past giving a shit if these assholes buy anything from me so I told her he’s ruining the country. Her response was “well, would you rather have Obama” in a tone that just reeked of racism, and I told her “any same person would rather have Obama”.
    I seriously don’t want to share a country with these people because I despise them. I just… hell, even despise isn’t strong enough.

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    which makes up for much.

    Makes up for Mike Pence? Really?

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    JPL says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Teenagers in Massachusetts see the Red Sox as a powerhouse, but oldies such as myself, remember the decades of losses. Yankees suck btw.

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    NotMax says:


    I said much, not everything.


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    satby says:

    @NotMax: we’ll see. You’re safe in a state of normal people.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @satby: Isn’t it nice to be unique?

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    NotMax says:


    Present company excepted?


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    satby says:

    @NotMax: 💀🎃👻😉

    And on another subject, watched the new season of Shetland on Britbox’s 7 day free trial. Totally gripping.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Nancy Abel of Sultan met and hiked with Katharina Groene on 24 October near Stevens pass and noticed she didn’t have equipment for snow travel, according to the Snohomish county sheriff’s office. An avid hiker, Abel told authorities she tried but failed to convince Groene to end her journey to the Canadian border. Groene told Abel she had started her solo trek along the Pacific Crest trail at the Mexican border in May and was determined to complete it, the sheriff’s office said. Abel returned home but continued to monitor weather reports. With snow and colder temperatures in the Cascades this week, Abel believed Groene was in danger and called 911, according to the sheriff’s office.

    The Snohomish county helicopter rescue team on Tuesday followed footsteps they saw in the snow and eventually found Groene near Glacier Peak. Rescuers found that Groene was soaking wet, her tarp shelter had blown away, she was low on food and that she tried to call for help but had no cell service, the sheriff’s office said. Groene told rescuers she also left messages on her phone apologizing to her friends and family for dying on the Pacific Crest trail. Rescuers took her back to Snohomish by helicopter, where the sheriff’s office said she met up with Abel, who offered her a place to stay until she returns to Germany.

    If Abel had not taken action, Groene most likely would have died in the mountains, the sheriff’s office said on Facebook.

    Obviously a Libtard do gooder who can’t mind her own business..

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Raven: Beautiful.

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    JPL says:

    @satby: Welcome to my world.

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    debbie says:


    Tell me about it. I never lost my New York mouth, and it’s all I can do to keep quiet when they start spouting their racist, neo-nationalist, quasi-Aryan crap.

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    JPL says:

    @Raven: You are so lucky. Have you already booked the same place for next year yet?

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    @OzarkHillbilly: She’s just going to do those risky hikes now that she knows the nanny state will bail her out.

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    rikyrah says:

    I have been so busy at work, that I didn’t hear about the Bobby Three Sticks scam until I was about to go home.
    These muthaphuckas 😠

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    Immanentize says:


    Hoagy Carmichael

    Love him. He still holds the record for the longest song title ever which I memorized when I was probably about 12 or so….

    I’m a cranky old yank on a clanky old tank on the streets of Yokohama with my Honolulu Mama singing those beato, beato, flat on my seato, Hirohito Blues.

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    Immanentize says:


    These muthaphuckas 😠

    But luckily for all, stupid muthaphuckas

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    hueyplong says:

    @JPL: Same here. Sometimes I put in earbuds with no music playing so I won’t have to interact with people saying things like that. They expect you to give them an Amen once they have witnessed to you about Trump.

    All the racists feel liberated from the shackles of “political correctness” so they can “finally” share how they really feel. As a guy so pale he got sunburned in Edinburgh, I am apparently assumed to be someone anxious to share in their verbal celebrations.

    Yesterday I youtubed Obama interacting with Stephen Curry as a kind of curative. They acted as though they could go 60 seconds without grappling with mortal enemies.

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    Tokyokie says:

    @Chyron HR:
    I understand that Carl Reiner and Mel Brooks, who is 92 himself, get together most every night to watch TV and maintain a running commentary about what they’re watching. And I’m sure the show they put on for themselves is far better than those they’re watching. Damn, I’d love to get an invite.

    And, of course, Carl’s son is one of the good ones.

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    TS (the original) says:

    Who knows if this is accurate or a massive outlier – but I’ll take it for a reason to be cheerful

    Democrats are leading Republicans by 17 points on a generic ballot, according to a new USC Dornsife/Los Angeles Times poll.

    from the Hill

    Edit: The USC Dornsife/Los Angeles Times poll surveyed 3,922 adults and had a margin of error of 2 percentage points.

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    Carl’s son is one of the good ones.

    Of course he is, he’s a Bruin.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Raven: Love it. You know your pics are the closest thing I’ve had to a vacation in a long time.

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    @Immanentize: Pretty much the same here, I’m going though the kid’s pics from New Zealand.

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    Immanentize says:

    The Immp and I will take a long well deserved Vaca next summer. I hope.

    You’ve gotta get one too.

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    @satby: I hear ya. Yesterday at both dinner and B&N, old white women (my demo) at the next table were saying things that depressed me. One was going on about how Blasey Ford was lying about Kavanaugh, and the other spouted a string of Trumpian nonsense (he’s going to do away with birthright citizenship, people in Pittsburgh should welcome the president’s visit, etc.). I stayed out of it because there was no way to make a dent.

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    TS (the original) says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I know nothing about them – do tell

    Edit: I see 538 marks them a C – weighting 0.77 – so not the best!

    I’ll still be positive about it

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    Tokyokie says:


    Of course he is, he’s a Bruin.

    I did not know that. But his coming from a family that could afford the tuition at the University of Spoiled Children and choosing to be an UCLAn instead heightens my already high esteem of both Carl and Rob.

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    “I’m not going to do anything for the Fox network ever again as long as Fox News remains such a destructive voice in our society,” he said

    Reminds me of artists refusing to play Sun City during apartheid. It’s a good tactic. Fox has poured poison into the American ear for decades now. No wonder we’re sick.

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    You’ve gotta get one too.

    That will never happen.

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    @TS (the original): (It’s a U$C poll, I went to UCLA.)

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Looks like even the Iranians are getting ion on the assassination craze:

    Denmark has recalled its ambassador from Tehran and called for fresh EU sanctions against Iran after its security services accused Iranian intelligence service of plotting an assassination on Danish soil.

    The Danish intelligence chief, Finn Borch Andersen, said on Tuesday that the alleged murder plot had targeted the exiled leader of the Arab Struggle Movement for the Liberation of Ahvaz (ASMLA), a separatist group that has a history of carrying out attacks in Iran.

    “We are dealing with an Iranian intelligence agency planning an attack on Danish soil. Obviously, we can’t and won’t accept that,” Andersen said.

    A Norwegian national of Iranian background has been arrested in Sweden and since extradited to Denmark in connection with the foiled attack, according to officials.

    The announcement came as Tehran scrambled to muster European support before the US re-imposes stringent sanctions on the country early next month. The European Union, Iran, China and Russia have set out a plan to sidestep those unilateral US sanctions.

    Iran’s foreign ministry spokesman, Bahram Qassemi, dismissed the allegation and said that the timing of the accusations was suspicious. “This is a continuation of enemies’ plots to damage Iranian relations with Europe at this critical time,” he said, according to the semi-official Tasnim news agency.

    I actually find Qassemi’s statement worthy of consideration. It certainly seems awfully convenient for the Saudi’s to take a little of the attention away from their own assassination screw ups and focus it on their mortal enemies.

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    Elizabelle says:

    That’s a great Carl Reiner ad. Thanks.

    Good morning, jackals. Boo!

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: I have found that citing simple irrefutable facts is a great way to shut them up. It won’t change their minds but at least I don’t have to endure their stupidity.

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning.

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    Baud says:

    @satby: Good morning.

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    Baud says:

    @JPL: A new Evil Empire is born.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Baud: Blech.

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    Baud says:

    Today show mentioned the obligatory “political extremes on both sides” in covering the Florida governor race.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Why the UK’s Brexit negotiation tactics drew a blank

    EU insiders say the British are mistaken to imagine Angela Merkel or Emmanuel Macron negotiating, say, animal health checks on sheep, in the dead of a November night. Brexit is not seen as an existential threat for the EU, like the eurozone crisis that threatened to bring down the single market, dragging EU leaders into endless summits full of technical smallprint. Instead, Brexit is seen as a British problem the EU must live with.

    “For the EU [Brexit] is only something that has to be handled, contained, organised,” says Nymann-Lindegren. “It suits the heads of state and government perfectly that the commission takes the bad guy role that bears the burden of interaction with the UK.”

    Many argue the British have consistently misread the EU. “Sometimes the UK debate is very insular,” says Claus Grube, a former Danish ambassador to the UK and EU. The UK debate is “based on ideology and emotions”, for the EU “it is based on taking care of our real interests” he says.

    Apparently, it never occurred to the Brits that the EU doesn’t need them but that they very much need the EU.

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    satby says:

    @Baud: Good morning 💀
    @OzarkHillbilly: 😘 (I was waiting)

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    Kay says:

    I’m going to the Great Lakes Water Conference Friday. It’s annual. It’s environmental/science/government types so I’m sure there will be a lot of election chatter. Kasich gets an “F” for (not) protecting Lake Erie so he probably won’t show. I’m not sure he lives here anyway, honestly. He should probably go the New Hampshire water conference :)

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    satby says:

    @JPL: @debbie: @Dorothy A. Winsor: I at least can chat with sane people here. And truth to tell, a lot of the women vendors at the market are not going to be Republican voters for the foreseeable future and aren’t afraid to say so.
    But until we get something in place to stop the blatant lying by the propaganda media this country is going to continue to be in a world of hurt.
    Maybe we should ask Germany how to deNazify.

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    Baud says:

    @satby: Good morning.

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    Ken says:


    Cole is a Capo, not a finger.

    “Tony, my gardener says the willow needs more fertilizer and bone meal.”

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    @Baud: Yesterday I heard one pundit say the Ds are just running against Trump. They don’t have something for people to vote for. That kind of thing is bad for me. I just had a heart attack.

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    Baud says:


     I at least can chat with sane people here

    I thought she left after 2016.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Kay: I ate grouper last night in a restaurant in Cleveland. Was it likely caught in Lake Erie and, if so, how many days or hours do I have left to live?

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    @satby: It occurred to me yesterday that my Iowa neighbors were more liberal than the folks I have around me here. Never thought I’d say that.

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    Baud says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: They wouldn’t be where they are if they didn’t lie.

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    JPL says:

    @Kay: The fact that Kasich is treated as a moderate shows how far down that rabbit hole we have fallen. Thanks for pointing out the harm his policies have done.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Baud: you can take Matt Lauer and Megyn Kelly off the show, but it’s still right wing garbage.

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    Kay says:

    I must say it’s a pleasure to watch all the Republicans who ran against Obamacare now having to lie and say they support it.

    About a quarter of the local election coverage is on how Republicans are lying about healthcare. If you want to, you can read in great detail how they’re lying- tens of quotes, the lawsuits, the 2010 campaign ads. Literally the first thing DeWine did as AG is join a lawsuit to eradicate it, and now he has to lie every day and insist this never happened.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @JPL: he’s been really good at keeping the right crazy hidden from the national press. If he gets the 2020 or 2024 nomination, it will all come out.

    And almost half the country will still vote for him.

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    Tokyokie says:

    @Steve in the ATL: I’m not sure that the pollution of Lake Erie has made it sufficiently saline to support groupers.

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    Kay says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    I love Walleye. I eat as much of it as I can get and I’m still..alive. Erie is polluted with phosphorus from agricultural run off so you’ll be able to use nitrogen very efficiently. If you’re a soybean. I should pay attention at this conference. I’m a little fuzzy on the science.

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    Another Scott says:

    @TS (the original): Dornsife was the weird outlier poll that always had Donnie ahead vs Hillary because of one particular outlier voter. It seemed like a badly done poll.

    And they got the popular vote wrong.

    But they did get the result right. :-(

    One good thing about Dornsife is that they (at least in the older poll) kept polling the same people every time, so they actually saw changes in attitudes of the same people. Dunno if they’re doing that here – I haven’t looked.

    tl;dr – Be skeptical of every poll, but don’t automatically throw it out.


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    Baud says:

    @Steve in the ATL: It’s much better since they’ve left. But I wouldn’t call it right wing. It’s more mainstream bothsiderism.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Baud: the both sides reaction is so unconscious and ingrained, it’s like my grandmother crossing herself when we would drive past a cemetary. Action unconnected to thought.

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    Baud says:

    @Immanentize: It really is. It’s quite fascinating, or would be if it weren’t so harmful.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: if I’m still alive next week, I’m going to Palm Springs. What is must see or must do there?

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    Apparently Kanye West bailed on Trump – I had heard accusations that West’s whole MAGA was just an act to get attention like his so called fued with Taylor Swift. I take West’s action as a sign Trump is turning into a libiaity for even the reality TV crowed.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    There’s two types of fish: walleye, perch, and pike, and all that other stuff that tastes fishy.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Baud: I consider mainstream both sidesism to be right wing garbage. But maybe I am the radical one.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @Immanentize: I’ve seen people do it outside politics. I had to deal with instances of bullying were others were dismissing the bully’s victims as being equally at fault. The Both Sides is just pure cowardace on the part of the people doing it.

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    Baud says:

    @Steve in the ATL: So it’s all your fault! Stop ruining our reputation!

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    Kay says:


    Their base just has more clout than ours does. They don’t even recognize a Dem base exists and if they do they treat it with eye rolls and call all our people “interest groups”. They do not believe we are “real” voters- we’re the exception to the rule of Republicans. You see it over and over and over. To me the most glaring example is how they cover work- they don’t cover lower and middle class work unless it’s work done by white men. There’s this huge group of working people who are just not counted. I remember when the Obama Administration changed the rules on home health care aides- this invisible fucking army of black and brown women who were never mentioned before. If it’s not construction or mining or manufacturing it doesn’t count as work. It’s insane. Has no connection to reality.

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    Kay says:

    @A Ghost To Most:

    I see the walleye fisherman in the Maumee River and I feel like parking and heading down and being their new friend. They should share. It’s kind of wild to me how they fish right next to each other. I think of fishing as solitary. It’s crowded!

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: “I find that citing simple irrefutable facts is a great way of shutting them up.”

    Simple, on the order of ‘water is wet’? Because otherwise no facts penetrate or silence the nut jobs I have encountered. But maybe you deal with a better class of nut job.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    Just now in WaPo comments:

    “Trump has been banned from more funerals than Westboro Baptist church”.

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    SFAW says:


    She had a friend who went to game four and IIRC left early.

    Sounds like a typical Dodger “fan.” [Kidding.]

    But: Fuck the Dodgers. Well, more precisely: fuck Chase Utley and fuck Manny Machado.

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    Baud says:

    @Kay: Totally agree. But to be fair, we could do a better job promoting ourselves on these issues too.

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    SFAW says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Was it likely caught in Lake Erie and, if so, how many days or hours do I have left to live?

    You’ll be fine, sort of. But you’ll have this “glow,” which some will mistakenly call a “healthy glow.”

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    Schlemazel says:

    Facts have no impact on them that I have seen. Got into it this week with coworkers after one commented about ‘fake bombs’ when I pointed out the bombs were quite real they fell back to the fact none went off & the van was so obviously a set up. I am so enraged at the moment I cannot talk to these assholes about anything anymore, I just want to slap the shit out of their stupid asses.

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    Schlemazel says:

    @Steve in the ATL:
    Grouper is a saltwater fish so nope, didn’t come out of the eerie lake

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    Schlemazel says:

    @Steve in the ATL:
    I recommend a drive to the Mount San Jacinto State Park. Cable car ride to the top (bring warm clothes, it is cold up there all the time) easy trails to hike and you get a great view of the surrounding land. You can even see the Salton Sea from there. Having made the mistake of thinking that would be a fun drive I recommend you just enjoy the distant view and don’t see it up close

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @O. Felix Culpa: In my experience 95% of people reflexively shrink from confrontation. Better has nothing to do with it.

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    Kraux Pas says:


    I seriously don’t want to share a country with these people because I despise them. I just… hell, even despise isn’t strong enough.

    Perhaps the word you’re looking for is “deplore.”

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    Kay says:


    I would settle for just convincing the Democratic base that this exists- not to “fight” it, but to deal with it. Can we stipulate that the Clinton emial obsession was flat-out Right wing manipulation of media? Because Clinton is nowhere to be found and they are exclusively covering the invading brown hordes story, because Right wing operatives ordered them to. The number one issue in the country is health care. Democrats are running on health care. Media don’t care- they’re covering “the caravan”. Just like they covered the invading black hordes in ebola, which was also bullshit. THEY are doing this. The “why” doesn’t matter- it’s the “what”. Let’s agree on the what. We may never need to get to the why, because who gives a shit why they do what they do? We have to figure a way around it.

    If they were actually covering what people cared about all the caravan stories would be boring explainers on preexisting conditions. This one isn’t on “voters”- VOTERS wanted substance. Instead they got another panic about brown people invading. This is 100% on media. They did this. I hate to pile on them because I agree with them- Trump is going to get one of them killed, so I can’t even criticize. I’m afraid for them.

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    Tony Jay says:


    Apparently, it never occurred to the Brits that the EU doesn’t need them but that they very much need the EU

    Oh, it occurred to just over 16 million of us good and hard. Amongst the just over 17 million who voted for Quitting some of them were Little Englander brainfarts who angrily deny this, some were led to deny this by a massive Russian backed propaganda campaign, and some didn’t give a shit one way or another as long as they stuck it to brown people/posh people/clever people/just anyone. There was another big chunk of millions who just didn’t vote because… I don’t know, they’re really, really stupid I guess.

    We don’t know how many people in Britain still feel this way because the Government and the lead Quitters are resolutely opposed to asking them. We had our democratic vote, and that’s all we get, no matter how different the eventual Brexit deal is from anything remotely like what the Quit campaign were promising back in 2016. If that’s not ‘taking back control’ I don’t know what is. /s

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    Heidi Mom says:

    @satby: @satby: I did, too. Oh, that ending! The whole series was great, as are the books on which it was based (they treat Jimmy Perez’s family/romantic life somewhat differently, FWIW).

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    satby says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: I agree. And I consider shutting them up in my presence a win, since their minds aren’t going to be changed. If we can make it a little less emotionally safe to spew their crap, it is a win. We’ve always had racists, nativists, and Bircher-Nazi types, but they used to know to keep their repellent views to themselves. If we can get back to that, what a relief. Because then the reduction of their ranks and of reeducation of their children can commence.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Schlemazel: Great advice. I love that cable car to Mt. San Jacinto. I love Palm Springs.

    I love the Palms to the Pines Highway (74), that takes you up to Idyllwild, which is a beautiful little town to wander around.

    Small town of Julian is darling. Have not been to Temecula.

    But just walking or riding around Palm Springs and looking at the midcentury modern architecture makes for a great trip on its own. There’s some nearby hiking.

    ALWAYS TAKE WATER. More than you think you will need. It is a dry, dry climate.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:


    Facts have no impact on them that I have seen. Got into it this week with coworkers

    If I had said it chances are they would have shut right up. Not because I am big and tough ( I am not) but because I am unknown. You are a coworker, that gives them a familiarity with which they are comfortable.

    Me? I drive around a until recently sundowner town, in a truck emblazoned with an Impeach Trump bumper sticker and a sign telling them they are all getting fucked and another telling them I don’t want to hear about their friend Jesus while wearing a blue hat that says “Make Racism Wrong Again” and the only thing anyone ever says to me, in a very quiet voice, is “I like your hat/bumper sticker/sign.” All the RWNJ cross the street like I am the crazy guy nobody wants to get in a conversation with.

    Which is just fine by me.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @satby: Yup. They need to be put back under their rocks.

    Did not used to have such a closed ecosystem, before FoxNewsWorld and the intertubes. They are not D for decent. They are D for …

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    Citizen Alan says:

    @Kraux Pas:

    “Deplore,” IMO, is actually too dignified for them. Hillary should have referred to them as a “bucket of shit.”

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    Schlemazel says:

    The Penguins honored the Tree of Life victims. For some reason the flag displayed was the ‘Blue Lives Matter’ flag. WT everlovin F?

    I wish I were making this up

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Tony Jay: Where ever one goes, the RWNJ are all the same, or so it seems.

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    Schlemazel says:

    We love Julian & that is one of the most beautiful areas in the entire State. I was not thinking that far away from Palm Springs because I didn’t know how much time they had in town.

    Hey, one benefit of the bad decision to visit the Salton Sea was I got to visit Mecca!
    And really the Sea is an interesting trip but not worth the time it takes when on a short schedule

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    satby says:


    I hate to pile on them because I agree with them- Trump is going to get one of them killed, so I can’t even criticize. I’m afraid for them.

    I wish I was because I used to be a nicer person, but “They that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind”. The media isn’t composed of uneducated idiots, they’re cravenly (in most cases) going along with the RW agenda because they think it will bring profits. Even though it’s obvious now that it enables and promotes a sickness in our society. I don’t wish anyone dead but I won’t be surprised when one of them is murdered. What will be sad is that it will end up being some local reporter who gets it, not any of the famous names like Chuckles the Toad, who thinks his both sides shtick will save him.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Citizen Alan: “Deplore” was enough to send the liberal media for its smelling salts. To the fainting couches!

    Hillary’s mistake was apologizing. She should have owned those words. They were true ones.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Schlemazel: I would guess they were thinking only of the 2 cops who got shot and the other cops who responded. Of course, it doesn’t help that hockey is a largely white sport with largely white fans so a little political stone deafness is to be expected.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Kay: Ironically, the best take-down of this caravan hysteria I’ve seen thus far came from Shep Smith at Fox.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Yesterday I heard one pundit say the Ds are just running against Trump. They don’t have something for people to vote for.

    That is so not true. Not even in our talking points for Abigail Spanberger.

    We don’t need to run against Trump. Abigail — and her fellow Democrats — have great and practical ideas on their own.

    Maybe that was a GOP pundit? Because they may realize voters are focused on healthcare and education, and their party offers no solutions. None. Look — over there! It’s Trump!

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    Schlemazel says:

    You need to see the picture, Its the standard ceremonial puck drop with 3 white guys holding just that ugly flag. Apparently no Jews were harmed in the making of this ceremony

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    Trump has tweeted 5 times already this morning, mostly anti-immigrant “caravan” crap with one cheer for the stock market and one dig at the media for showing the protests in Pittsburgh.

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    satby says:

    @Elizabelle: it’s always projection with them, because they are running on Drumpf and how the Democrats will impeach him and stop his agenda.
    Which is funny, because even a sizeable percentage of Republicans would see that as a selling point for the Democrats.

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    Over 100 members of the Steelers went to a funeral yesterday. Apparently the sister of one of the dead used to work for the team.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    Forget it, Jake. It’s the Penguins.

    No disrespect to Pittsburgh or the victims. Just a long suffering Caps fan cashing in some IOUs.

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    satby says:

    @Heidi Mom: INORITE?!
    So good. But my heart broke a little at the end.

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    @Betty Cracker: The depressing old white lady sitting at the next table last night said Shep is a Democrat. You can tell by what he says.

    I have to go write. I’ll see if I can salvage a short story that’s crap at the moment.

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    TS (the original) says:

    @Another Scott: Thanks for that – I’ll just dream about them being right this time around

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    Manyakitty says:

    @Immanentize: “Several Species of Small Furry Animals, Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict” is my longest song title.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Betty Cracker: Actually, Shep is very good at taking down RWNJ fever dreams. Did you ever see his pantsing of the FOX news Uranium One outrage? It was beautiful. I can’t find the whole thing but this gives the flavor.

    Sean Hannity got his panties in a bunch and said that Shep needs to mind his own business and there was a collective melt down of 80 yr old minds that day.

    He recently signed a deal for 3 more years at FOX and when asked why he replied something along the lines of “I shudder to think of what would replace me.”

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    @Kay:Our media . Most of the decision makers and many on screen personalities are rich white middle aged men. They are more representative of T’s base than the average out of work factory worker in the Midwest or the coal miner in Appalachia.
    To them the rest of us are inconsequential and hence invisible.
    D’s in the northeast have a fair share of MSM’s beloved demographic, the working class white male, yet I never see them interviewed by the NYT or the Snooze Hour.
    ETA: For example, most of the guys in the shop, who fixed our lab equipment etc were Ds.

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    Manyakitty says:

    @MazeDancer: Are you all texting about issues, too? I got one about Ohio Issue 1 yesterday, and sent a nice response, just in case it was a Juicer.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Raven: So beautiful!

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    Manyakitty says:

    @Steve in the ATL: How long are you in Cleveland? NEOhio meetup?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Betty Cracker: If you can take the time, here is the whole 11:25 takedown of the border “crises”

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Elizabelle: Visited Idyllwild many years ago. It was lovely, but if I’m not mistaken, much of it burned down in recent years during one of the wildfires.

    p.s. Not looking like Whitey died of natural causes.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @MazeDancer: Did you see that A Ghost To Most replied to the kitty post early this morning?

    A Ghost To Most
    October 31, 2018 at 8:23 am

    Sorry for the confusion. If Socks still needs a home, and can tolerate two other crotchety cats, I will take him/her. A relay from Chicago to Denver would be preferable to a full road trip, but not a show stopper.

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    Platonailedit says:


    VOTERS wanted substance.

    Good joke, Kay. If they did, there won’t be an ugly corrupt thug out there as their ‘leader’.

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    Barbara says:


    There’s this huge group of working people who are just not counted.

    This is the world according to Thomas Edsall, where the only members of the working class are white men doing blue collar jobs. Lots of black and Latino men do blue collar jobs. And lots of women do jobs that are as hard as blue collar construction work, like home health attendants, but which are somehow invisible to reporters, even when they are reporting on things like, for instance, visiting their parents in nursing homes. It’s one of the things (among many) that brings home how non-diverse people working in media really are, and often, how old they are as well. Their vision of the Rust Belt hearkens back to the mid-70s, which was, gulp, 40 years ago.

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    SFAW says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    p.s. Not looking like Whitey died of natural causes.

    How terrible. I’m almost as sad as I would be if some terrible fate befell Steven Miller, Zinke, DeVos, and the rest of the Maladministration.

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    SFAW says:


    Thought of you last night while watching Jeopardy. Category was “Three Fs,” clue was asking (so to speak) what position John Kelly has, and I blurted out either “racist motherfucker” or “racist-in-chief.” So, you have conditioned me about him, for which I am grateful. [Mrs. SFAW didn’t even blink when I said it, which surprised me a little.]

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @SFAW: Yeah, no tears. I read somewhere that one of the instruments used was a padlock in a sock. It’s good to see the old-school techniques still in use.

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    @Barbara: All of Edsall’s pieces end in concern trolling Ds. Every single one. No exceptions.

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    @SFAW: Happy to help!

    In the annals of military men going to save us. What is with Mattis and this troop deployment on the border. Has he justified it? Or has anyone in the toady media even asked this question.

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    Today condemns the extremists on both sides – those who want to assassinate Democrats and “kill all the Jews”, and those who say that is wrong.

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    bemused says:


    Their lying has gotten so outrageously out in the open, at least seven R’s, including MN Rep. Erik Paulsen, are claiming the WAPO fact checker gave Four Pinocchios for report that Republicans are undermining protections for people with pre-existing conditions! Glenn Kessler is pushing back and naming names but damn, it’s shocking how low the R’s will go. Not surprising but still blows my mind.

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    bemused says:

    @A Ghost To Most:
    Ha, ha, that’s great.

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    @bemused: They support T. There is no bottom.

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    bemused says:


    Too right. It’s a damn cult.

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    Tony Jay says:


    Yes, Sir. There’s a market for easy answers to complex questions, and they are always selling.

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    Tony Jay says:


    Glenn Kessler is pushing back at Republicans? Really? Take a look out of the nearest window. If you see lions lying down with lambs and fish playing hopscotch that’s three of the four signs that the Rapture is imminent!

    Which is either a good thing or a total disaster, depending on how Christian the bulk of ‘Christians’ are.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Manyakitty: sadly, less than 24 hours. Got in last night, leaving this afternoon. If I’m back for a longer visit, I’ll try to arrange a meet up.

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    Manyakitty says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Awww…, next time!

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    MazeDancer says:

    @A Ghost To Most:

    Did not see. Thanks.

    Here is what it says in the post. Sock was fostered and taken out of the shelter by Newman Nation of Senior Pets United in Napierville, IL. You adopt from them.

    Their web site, which looks a little well-intentioned, but neglected:

    You will probably have more luck with email:

    Good luck! And good for you for stepping up for that 24-year-old baby cat.

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    MazeDancer says:


    Are you all texting about issues, too? I got one about Ohio Issue 1 yesterday,

    Right now, we’re just focussed on electing people.

    But PostCarding for issues – local and national – is one of the ways we hope to keep the “I want to be meaningfully involved. I want to create change” energy to continue.

    Sit in your Living Room. Change the World – That’s our goal.

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    Manyakitty says:

    @MazeDancer: Sounds like a brilliant plan!

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    Skepticat says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    I stayed out of it because there was no way to make a dent.

    It’s indeed impossible to talk rationally with irrational people, but lawd, lawd, isn’t it tempting to make a dent in their thick skulls? I bothers me that I’m starting to get violent impulses, but terminal frustration and despair do that to ya.

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    BroD says:

    Well said!

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    MazeDancer says:

    @A Ghost To Most:

    Newman Nation posted a video of Sock He looks pretty good.

    They got a Twitter account just because of Sock, it appears. So you could also try tweeting them.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @MazeDancer: Could you maybe post that same information at the bottom of the original thread? That way if someone is reading the thread late OR if A Ghost to Most comes back to see if you responded there, he will find that info.

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    debbie says:


    I know you’re long gone, but Kasich just fired the state agriculture director because he wasn’t acting speedily enough to deal with the algae blooms in Lake Erie. I even heard him say he cares about Lake Erie! //

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