Open Thread: Maybe There *Are* Limits to Xenophobia As A Political Weapon?

And not just the ‘News’ side of Fox. Per the Washington Post, “A ‘Fox & Friends’ voter panel rebels when asked about the migrant caravan”:

Steve Doocy was about 30 seconds into Monday’s episode of “Fox & Friends” when he announced a Fox News alert.

“The migrant caravan in Central America is growing,” Doocy said when the alert graphic stopped obscuring his face…

Doocy brought out a panel of four people identified as independent voters and asked about the caravan.

“It’s north of apparently 7,000 people strong,” Doocy told the first independent voter, Michael Willner. “How big a problem is that, that the United States has uneven immigration laws?”

“I think uneven immigration laws are a problem for any country, and I think our immigration laws need to be modernized and updated,” Willner said.

“But this country is founded on immigration,” he continued. “And all of us come from immigrants.”

Doocy tried again.

“By the time it gets here, it could be 10,000. It could be 20,000,” he said. “What should the United States do?”

“This is the mightiest country on the planet,” Willner replied. “I think we can handle a caravan of people, unarmed, coming to this country.”

“Okay,” Doocy said, pointing to the second independent voter. “Cathy: real quick.”

“I think the immigration crisis we’re seeing is a result of the failure of the two democratic parties to actually engage the issue,” said Cathy Stewart, a vice president with Independent Voting…

“Sure,” said Doocy. And, moving on: “John, real quick.”

But John Opdyke continued the previous independent voters’ line of thought.

“There’s a humanitarian crisis taking place in Central America, and yet this issue gets turned into a complete political football,” he said. “There’s very little honest discussion about what’s actually happening.”

“And Aaron?” Doocy said. His voice had fallen to something like a raspy whisper.

“Treating this as an ‘invasion’ is a bad idea, and it’s going to end horribly if it is treated such as that way,” said Aaron Commey, a libertarian and the final independent voter on the panel.

Doocy collected his notes and sat up on his stool.

“Sure, but the backdrop is the midterms, so it all becomes political,” he told the voters. “So let’s see what happens!”…



Even once-reliable neoconservatives…






17 replies
  1. 1

    I’ve heard that some Republicans have said that the caravans are being funded by Soros, seems more likely that they’re funded my the Kochs(or Mercers, or Aldelsons….).

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    tobie says:

    Thank, Dog, Drezner points out that if the Republicans really cared about migration from El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala, they would try to use the power of the US to help create better conditions in those countries. Soft power is a foreign concept to these folks. They are really and truly morons.

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    debbie says:

    Amazing that Shep still has a job.

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    tomtofa says:

    Trump decided that the caravan would be this week’s plot point. Everyone is into it.
    So fucking sick of this.

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    The New York Times has fallen for it hook line and sinker.

    They are at Mexico’s southern border. It’s a long way to the US from there.

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    JoeyJoeJoe says:

    Completely not the point, but I know one of those panelists. In college, I once drunkenly spilled Lucky Charms all over a sleeping bag he was using that weekend

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    Paul T says:

    Where are all the Branch Dildoansand Militia Border Patrollers? I can hardly wait for the morons to start rolling out of bed, cashing their Social Security checks, and rolling to the border to “protect” us.

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    Ken says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: On the face of it, ridiculous – but, applying the “every accusation is a confession” principle….

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    satby says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: not only are they at the southern border of Mexico, but the Mexican government is working to admit only visa holders, though it’s possible for some to sneak across. But a crowd of thousands isn’t very stealthy.

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    “I think the immigration crisis we’re seeing is a result of the failure of the two democratic parties to actually engage the issue,” said Cathy Stewart, a vice president with Independent Voting…

    I’m sure this is just a verbal stumble, but it sounds like she’s learned well—it’s both sides’ fault, and still everybody to blame is in the Democratic Party!

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    I’m telling you, Trump thinks all non-white migration to the US is orchestrated by foreign governments who are trying to offload their criminals and deviants. It’s one of the few things he consistently thinks. For him it’s always Mariel boatlift 1980. I can’t recall ever seeing anyone else mention this but I am POSITIVE this is what he “thinks” in the gobbets of mush that quiver where a brain may once have been.

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    SectionH says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Fallen for it? They’re fucking complicit in it.

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    JGabriel says:

    via Anne Laurie @ Top:

    David Roberts
    @drvox

    Tomi Lahren
    @TomiLahren
    We owe NOTHING to people trying to barge into this country. Nothing. Turn around. #BuildThatWall #MigrantCaravans

    I believe that’s just what it says at the base of the Statue of Liberty, no?

    Ah, yes, Emma Lazarus’s beloved poem, The Nativist Colossus:

    “Don’t give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost,
    Back where they came from. We
    Owe them nothing.”

    So inspiring, the ancient message of condemnation to fellow men and women, our nation finding unity in our American bigotry. It brings a Boehner-like tear to one’s eye.

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    Shantanu Saha says:

    @debbie: Shep Smith is Fox’s token normal person.

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    Bostonian says:

    Can you imagine how much screaming The Deuce did backstage when that was over? “You call these Independent voters? They sound like goddamn Democrats!”

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    Citizen_X says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Oh no, that was the other Democratic Party.

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    Mr. Prosser says:

    @tobie: If there was an economic advantage for the masters, the present administration* would be drawing up plans for an invasion of all three countries with the caravan as a pretext.

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