Trumpworld Stupidity Open Thread: Another Trial Balloon Made of the Finest Lead

Her hometown paper says Nikki Haley may be up to a million dollars in debt — being UN Ambassador is an expensive hobby! — and (Murphy the Trickster God willing) it’s not gonna be anywhere near as easy to cash in on Trump ‘contacts’ after the midterm elections. And the CREW people are complaining that she took private flights paid for by SC business executives, which would be unseemly for a government executive but not a professional lobbyist.

But, hey, the Oval Office Occupancy will never let a potential publicity/grifting opportunity go to waste!…

Politico is on it!

“Bless his heart.”

279 replies
  1. 1
    Baud says:

    Her hometown paper says Nikki Haley may be up to a million dollars in debt

    She should get Kavanaugh’s people to pay it off.

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    This is a pretty good guess. Ric Grenell is a disaster.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    I’m not usually this guy, but this was just trolling. At this point even trump and his princess know enough to not want Senate confirmation levels fo scrutiny.

    ANd I’m not saying it was too distract from this, but….

    Ari Berman @ AriBerman
    SCOTUS just upheld voter ID law in North Dakota that could disenfranchise thousands of Native voters & cost Heidi Heitkamp her Senate seat. “The risk of disenfranchisement is large” RBG writes in dissent

    Who was it who bellowed, ‘what goes around, comes around’?

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    It’s not as crazy as it sounds

    Yeah? Prove it.

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    Aleta says:

    It is an honor to serve in the White House alongside so many great colleagues and I know that the President will nominate a formidable replacement for Ambassador Haley. That replacement will not be me.

    — Ivanka Trump (@IvankaTrump) October 9, 2018

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: What’s worse than “disaster”?

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    jharp says:

    How in the fuck does a person in Haley’s world carry $25,0000 to $65,000 in credit card debt?

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    Yutsano says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Complete Charlie Foxtrot?

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @jharp: How does a Federal circuit court judge carry >$200,000?

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    lgerard says:

    Tiffany is the one who needs a job

    Sadly, she would be far better then anyone the Papaya Pinochet could come up with

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    I think floating Ivanka’s name is much more about sucking up to Donald than anything else. Maybe there’s a certain level of trying to normalize nepotism beyond that, but praising how wonderful Ivanka would be is all about buttering up her dad.

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    oatler. says:

    This is the Reich, operational mode.

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    @Gin & Tonic:

    What’s worse than “disaster”?

    Catastrophe? Trump Administration?

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    cain says:

    Lindsay seems to be lapping Trump’s phallic member expertly and with great gusto.

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    trollhattan says:

    If she’s totes in debt than can following Hope Hicks with a soft landing at Fox be far behind? BTW, Hope Hicks to Fox. Let’s see everybody’s shocked face.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Yutsano: Well, Germany would be glad to see the door hit him in the ass, that’s certain.

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    satby says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: yeah he’s not going to waste any time putting the screws to “his enemies”.

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    Kraux Pas says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    At this point even trump and his princess know enough to not want Senate confirmation levels of scrutiny.

    Wait, the Senate is going back to scrutinizing Trump’s nominees? Where have I been?

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    Chyron HR says:


    “It is an honor to serve in the White House alongside so many great colleagues”


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    Schlemazel says:

    Passing the nomination process is easy-peasy
    1 week of FBI investigation where they are limited to interviewing her 3rd grade teacher and her 2 brothers. Delcare her innocent and 51-49 VOH-ALA

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    germy says:

    How does trump feel about Bolsonaro? Has he made any statements?

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    debbie says:

    I almost drove off the road when I heard this. Perhaps this was because I hadn’t recovered after Haley stating that Jared was a “hidden genius”!

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    germy says:


    That replacement will not be me.

    “Way too much work.”

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    Man, the Punditariat is CONVINCED that Trump is totally going to fire Sessions this time. Hey, remember when they said they had it from Rosenstein’s own mouth he was about to retire?

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    germy says:

    Who was it that said the presidential alert was the first time Tiffany received a text from her father? Was it Colbert?

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    jl says:

    ” Nikki Haley may be up to a million dollars in debt ”
    Trump can’t have her talk to Brett, or Bart? He knows a lot about getting mystery debt paid off with mystery connections.

    Ivanka would be better than Graham or Cotton.
    Low bar, i know, but something sort of above ground level.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @debbie: Through a very weird set of circumstances, my daughter and her husband met Prince Jared and Princess Ivanka at a social occasion a couple of years ago. By all accounts he does a very good job of hiding his genius.

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    debbie says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    If for no other reason, he’ll be easier to ignore than Haley.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    None of the spawn of Donald and Ivana are fit to serve at any level of the US Government, to include latrine construction crews at Camp Lejeune.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: The pundits need to be rounded up and drowned in a NC pig manure disposal pond.

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    debbie says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Did he even speak? Most jokes and comedy bits I’ve seen about him either have him never speaking or just staring blankly like a deer in the headlights.

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    jimmiraybob says:

    I’m betting, based on maximum “FU Yous Dirty Liberal Scumbags” impact, maximum destructive potential and ratings projections, that the next floaters will be one or more of these guys: Kanye, Roseanne Barr, and/or Stephen Miller.

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    debbie says:


    It might be fun to watch Lindsay wax histrionic at the Security Council.

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    germy says:

    @debbie: He certainly is quiet. Remember when he got locked out and stood there smirking and ignoring reporters’ questions?

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @lgerard: Tiffany is the one who needs a job

    Tiffany works for Mueller.

    @Kraux Pas: Where have I been?

    Getting drunk and making “LEAVE BERNIE ALONE!” videos? Wherever you’ve been, go back.

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    debbie says:


    I’m not much of a fan, but Jimmy Fallon did a really funny bit on that.

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    lgerard says:

    Alert viewers will undoubtedly want to mark this blockbuster opening on their movie calendars.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @debbie: Very, very little. That’s part of how he hides his genius, I guess. If he started to talk, people would realize there’s no there there.

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    Tokyokie says:

    A rumor I heard when I was working for Stars & Stripes in Tokyo, was that shortly after his father died, Kim Jong-il ordered all the country’s generals, who had risen through the ranks under Kim Il-sung, to dance naked in front of him. Those who didn’t lost their rank (and possibly their lives), but those who were sufficiently craven to accept this humiliation stayed on.

    Der Trumpenführer already got Senate Republicans to dance naked with the Kavanaugh nomination. And after that abomination, Ivanka or Jared as U.N. envoy is not appreciably more abominable. Now it’s a matter of just how much humiliation they’ll endure before retirement. And that, I believe, is a bottomless well.

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    SFAW says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    to include latrine construction crews at Camp Lejeune.

    You’re too nice. Outhouse cleaning crew, maybe? Unfit for it, unless they’re shoveling inside an in-use outhouse. A five-holer, preferably.

    Everything OK? You feeling OK? It’s not like you to be so respectful of any of the extended Shitgibbon family. (Tiff and Barr possibly excepted.) Just let use know.

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    debbie says:


    Jeez. that Secret Service guy is great at keeping a straight face!

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    MomSense says:

    I hate all of these fucking people. Every last one of them.

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    waratah says:

    I thought this was interesting and I think there are a lot of women like this that are being drawn to Beto.

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    jl says:

    @debbie: ” It might be fun to watch Lindsay wax histrionic at the Security Council. ”

    Sure, but we can watch that any weekend on the pundit news talkies, which is less likely to get us all killed in the half a dozen wars he’d start as an official emissary of anything to anybody.

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    Lindsay seems to be lapping Trump’s phallic member expertly and with great gusto.

    Can we please cool it with the sexual metaphors for people groveling to Trump? If you think he’s being excessively obsequious, call him a groveler, boot licker, yes man/woman, or the like. Similarly, can we avoid using metaphors about sex work when criticizing people for abandoning their principles for money. Instead of calling them prostitutes, call them mercenaries, sell outs, money grubbers, or what have you.

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    Aleta says:

    As far as I can tell, Kushner’s genius intervention to save the ‘frozen trade talks’ was doing what normal negotiators would have done much earlier. This was how the (mouthpiece) Washington Examiner article gave him credit a few weeks ago:

    A key source said that when negotiations faltered between USTR and Canada, Kushner reached out to (Trudeau’s chief of staff) Telford and (sic) see if the two sides could find “common ground” and a deal that both could accept. “When it looked like the sides were not going to get along, he soldiered on and now we’re reaping the benefits today,” added the insider.

    He “smooth(ed) over raw bureaucratic nerves on several issues.”

    Kind of makes it sound like the admin. picked fights and demanded the unreasonable; so Canada said ‘No way you assholes,’ then Kusher said ‘OK so what would it take,’ and voila his magic touch succeeded.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Roger Moore: I believe that comments such as this one are mocking Lindsay for being a homosexual who stays in the closet so he can be a republican power player, which he could not be if he were out.

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    YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S) says:

    @waratah: They don’t seem to be answering the phone.

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    Bill Arnold says:


    I’m betting, based on maximum “FU Yous Dirty Liberal Scumbags” impact, maximum destructive potential and ratings projections, that the next floaters will be one or more of these guys: Kanye, Roseanne Barr, and/or Stephen Miller.

    Miller is the most frightening but he lacks sufficient skill to fake charisma. (There’s a job, Stephen Miller’s Charisma Trainer. )
    Stephen Bannon, perhaps. Last appearance on TV I’m told he wore only one shirt.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    I can only wonder what the majority’s legal reasoning was to justify that. Hahahaha! Who am I kidding? Power is it’s own justification for this authoritarian regime-in -waiting (thanks Krugman!)

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    SFAW says:

    @Roger Moore:

    Instead of calling them prostitutes, call them mercenaries, sell outs, money grubbers, or what have you.

    Except prostitutes and mercenaries operate in two different environments (for lack of a better term), frames of references, sets of conditions, etc.

    And the phrase “he prostituted himself” was old long before I was born, so it’s not as if it was Trump-triggered, or whatever.

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    Aleta says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Those type of comments use gay sex as a way to insult someone for loathsome actions. How’s that different from throwing homophobic words around?

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Republicans are just flexing their anti-democratic muscles with the help of SCOTUS. It’s amazing that they’ve succeeded in keeping hundreds of voters from voting for no valid reason.

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    lollipopguild says:

    @lgerard: “Comments are disabled for this video.”

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    Mike in NC says:

    The UN would be a great new market for Ivanka to hawk her crappy shoes and handbags.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S):
    Only 400 people have been polled so far

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    Patricia Kayden says:


    Ivanka would be better than Graham or Cotton.

    How do you know that? Ivanka has whispered lightweight criticisms of her father’s actions but basically been useless in stopping his worst policies such as kidnapping and caging children. I don’t see how she’d be better than any other Republican.

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    @Steve in the ATL:
    Count me as skeptical. The same people who talk this way about Lindsay Graham use very similar language to describe the same behavior from men who aren’t assumed to be closeted gays. Either way, it still comes across as suggesting that there’s something wrong about being gay.

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    NotMax says:

    Federal anti-nepotism statute, 5 U.S. Code § 3110.


    Don’t particularly wish to contemplate Lindsey Graham waxing … anything.


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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    I think she also mocked Christina Blasey Ford in private as well. She’s scum, but she was scum long before that as well.

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    Aleta says:

    @Mike in NC: It beats me why he didn’t just give her an ambassadorship and staff. Except she’s needed to listen in, pop in on meetings if he’s about to answer a question on his own.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    And Republicans are now adopting out the children they stole from their migrant parents. Sigh.

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    NotMax says:


    BTW, easy to remember how to spell Graham’s first name. Lindsey, not Lindsay. It’s with an “e” for evil.

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    Kay says:

    Maybe they’re distracting us from the Kavanaugh shitshow. Which was so great for them!

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    tobie says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: This is devastating. Voting has started and the Supreme Court is just fine with changing the rules for registration in the middle of the game. This doesn’t just reflect badly on Kavanaugh. It reflects badly on Roberts, too, who is more interested in defending the 1% than ensuring justice is served. God damn.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: As does Arya Stark.

    Winter is coming.

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    Luciamia says:

    Heck, why not Melania?

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    JR says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Georges Danton?

    You will follow us soon! Your house will be beaten down and salt sown in the place where it stood!

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    Kay says:

    ‏Verified account
    4h4 hours ago
    a new Detroit News poll of Michigan’s referenda:
    1) legalize *recreational* marijuana? YES: 62/35
    2) independent redistricting commission? YES: 55/23
    3) voting rights package (automatic registration, same day registration, more)? YES: 72/19
    Similar to EPIC/MRA poll last week.

    72 on voting rights package! It beats smoking pot! Everyone hates conservative voting policy.

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    waratah says:

    @YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S): if you read the article you will know why. I think they were brave to put Beto stickers on their cars

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    NotMax says:


    Not that we don’t know which side he would have favored, but Kavanaugh played no part in this Supreme Court action.

    The challengers’ request went originally to Justice Neil Gorsuch, who handles emergency appeals from the 8th Circuit, but he referred it to the full Supreme Court — a fairly common practice. To stay the 8th Circuit’s ruling and prevent the state from enforcing the ID requirement, the challengers needed at least five of the eight justices (Justice Brett Kavanaugh did not participate) to vote in their favor. But they apparently fell short. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg dissented from the court’s decision not to intervene, in a brief opinion that was joined by Justice Elena Kagan. Ginsburg complained that the “risk of voter confusion appears severe here because the injunction against requiring residential-address identification was in force during the primary election and because the Secretary of State’s website announced for months the identification requirements as they existed under that injunction.” Ginsburg acknowledged that, as the 8th Circuit had emphasized, the elections are still a month away. However, Ginsburg stressed, tens of thousands of North Dakotans don’t have an ID bearing their residential street address. As a result, she warned, the 8th Circuit’s order “may lead to voters finding out at the polling place that they cannot vote because their formerly valid ID is now insufficient.” Source

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @lgerard: Tiffany’s busy. She’s in law school I understand.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    It’s easy to be for expanding voting rights if you’re a small “d” democrat or small “r” republican, unless you’re an autocrat, which is what the modern GOP is. It makes perfect sense and that appeals to majorities of people

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    Bill Arnold says:

    Since open thread, my intuition is suggesting that the Trump administrations is prepping a “The Chinese Rigged The Midterm Elections” play, with faked evidence. (I’ve personally observed that Chinese ip addresses are pretty active doorknob-janglers (ssh port for me), and have been for many years.)
    Are there any hints out there that would support this? Haven’t looked. (Beyond the recent talk about Chinese hacking from the administration.)

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    Kay says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷:

    Agreed. We need more of these ballot measures. I suggest Pennsylvania next, which IMO has antiquated voting laws. It’s too hard to vote there. But I don’t know if they have a mechanism for putting it on the ballot.

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    Gvg says:

    Reading about those evangelical women for Beto, it occurs to me, I lost all respect for them years ago, as that group lost it’s way morally. Following along as it’s leaders said and did so many things that completely contradicted Jesus’s teachings, made me decide their opinions had to be ignored.
    At the same time, I have known some individuals who actually were good. I just have had to wonder where the rest of them were.
    There is a common fantasy novel theme where Satan’s followers attend a fake church to fool the innocent into being corrupted. I have felt for years that a lot of these churches were actually evil not good. It’s an uncomfortable feeling. Falwell, Graham, various Cardinals, various prosperity gospel preachers, they are not good people. Anyone who called Trump, good, isn’t to be trusted and that isn’t partisanship.

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    Kay says:

    Ivanka’s actually busy. She heads up vocational education initiatives for the GOP. They dump her off on public high school students because they don’t know what else to do with her. Don’t worry- she doesn’t produce much and everyone knows the Trump Administration does’t give a shit about education anyway. It’s a no-show job. Doesn’t matter a bit if she comes to work or not.

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    jl says:

    @Patricia Kayden: I was snarking on the unhinged, dangerous and irresponsible blood thirsty war mongering raving of Graham and Cotton, in a joking way.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Roger Moore: No, there’s something wrong with being Lindsey Graham.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    Some good news in generic polling for Democrats. YAY!!

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Dear god

    Daniel Dale @ ddale8
    Trump refers to Democrats as “the dims.” He says that Lou Dobbs and Sean Hannity say that. Then: “Judge Jeanine says that, doesn’t she. Laura. Laura. How good has Laura been?…Do we like Tucker?…Steve Doocy…Ainsley…” The president is reciting the Fox News lineup.

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    Baud says:

    The day MSNBC fires Tweety will be a good day for America.

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    Baud says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Trump is a poo poo head.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Baud: He’s the malevolent Chauncey Gardner. “I like watching, Ivanka”

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    lgerard says:

    Watching a few minutes of the MA governors debate. It is quite reassuring to hear the republican governor boasting about his support from Planned parenthood and how the NRA is suing him.

    He also seems to be literally twice the size of the democratic candidate

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    danielx says:


    I’m still wondering how someone builds up a million dollars in personal debt.

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    B.B.A. says:

    @danielx: Baseball tickets. I think that’s what the kids are calling it these days.

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    Baud says:

    Holy cow, what the hell is happening to Dave Weigel? Is there a cure?

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    Baud says:

    @danielx: I’m starting to feel uneasily solvent.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    Lindsay wax

    Mme Tussaud? You there? Hello??

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Baud: some director or camera operator at MSNBC has a very bad habit of too-tight close-ups.

    Not that Weigel’s aggressively hipster hair choices would look that much better from a distance, typed the old man

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Patricia Kayden: This was part of the plan all along. Kidnap children and raise them as good little “Christian” robots.

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    Baud says:

    Beto coming up on Chris.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Patricia Kayden: I might add (since I can’t update my post) that this plan is precisely why they oppose gay adoptions. Because they project their own despicable actions on others. Gay “recruitment” is that these assholes do to perpetuate their Mammon worshiping heresy.

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    tobie says:

    @NotMax: Thanks. I realized after I posted that Kavanaugh didn’t vote in the case. The decision still reveals Robert’s strong rightwing bent. There doesn’t seem to be any minority group he doesn’t actively work to disenfranchise. America’s native peoples will not be able to vote in North Dakota because they don’t have street addresses on the reservation. This is so infuriating on so many levels. Off to phonebank…

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    Brachiator says:

    Ivanka Trump as UN ambassador? Oh hell, yes! Does this require Senate confirmation? If the GOP keep the Senate I would love to see them make fools of themselves supporting her.

    Maximum farce.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Roger Moore:

    Agree, and thank you. Last week, during one of the fraught Kavanaugh moments, an otherwise allied friend of mine referred (in a phone conversation) to “Lindsay Graham, that little faggot.” I was furious and lit into her. To her sorta credit she sorta apologised, and I accepted it and moved on — but was shocked and dismayed at the homophobia coming from a supposed liberal Democrat. Very disappointing, and I’m not sure I can take her at face value any more.

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    waratah says:

    @Baud: keep us posted we don’t ha MSNBC
    I have a feeling he might not Chris take over.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @debbie: Rule Number 1 in Colorado: Stay on the road. Perhaps your locale is more forgiving.

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    waratah says:

    @waratah: that should be let Chris take over.

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    Kraux Pas says:


    Watching a few minutes of the MA governors debate. It is quite reassuring to hear the republican governor boasting about his support from Planned parenthood and how the NRA is suing him.

    Thanks for the tip. I was looking for the debate schedule only a couple days ago but had difficuly finding anything. Especially past all the paid Google ads. I need to find something at a later time to catch it from the beginning, though.

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    Baud says:

    @waratah: It’s over. Not much news came out of it. As you probably know, he has a lot of energy, which is nice.

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    George says:

    Is it inaccurate to say that Ivanka Trump as UN Ambassador would give Chris Cillizza an absolute stiffy?

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    JPL says:

    @Baud: Updates, please!

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    @SiubhanDuinne: I don’t like seeing people call him Miss Lindsey either.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:
    Winter is coming.

    Who winter is coming for has yet to be determined.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Do you mind if I call him Reinhard Heydrich?

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: While I naturally support Graham’s right to do what he wants with whom he wants in the privacy of his home, I (maybe I am benighted) do not believe it is “homophobia” to call out somebody who (I assume) suppresses who he is for the sake of political expediency, to ally with people who believe that he is an abomination.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Says it all, doesn’t it?

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    Agreed as well. I don’t know about Pennsylvania’s voting laws but I think it could be a blue state or at least a purplish state.

    What do you think of Issue 1 in Ohio for this fall? Have you had any experience, working in law, with Ohio’s drug courts?

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    Schlemazel says:

    People can say very mean things when they are in a rage. forgive & move on.

    I made the joke during the hearings that someone needed to ask Graham why no woman had ever accused him of sexual assault. Yeah, that is a bit of bigotry and if he was an out guy it would be wrong. It is the closet that makes it more acceptable. I would not have used that word but I could see people doing it given the strain those bastards have put us all under. Not a proud moment

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    It beats me why he didn’t just give her an ambassadorship and staff.

    She doesn’t want to have to live in another country. Also, ambassadors have real duties that they are obligated to attend to. Like the rest of the family, Ivanka wants the title and recognition without any of the work.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Nor do I.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Gin & Tonic:
    I am aware of the speculation, but is there any direct evidence of the thing Lindsay Graham is speculated to be suppressing?

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    Kathleen says:

    @Bill Arnold: How about a hologram of Goebbels to be his charisma translator?

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Yeah, I don’t like the term “faggot.”

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    waratah says:

    @Baud: yes I think the people that go to see him keep his energy up, because a normal person would be exhausted with the schedule he has had this last week. Thank you

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @tobie: Roberts is a voter suppression expert. That’s why Bush the unelected put him on the court. This is nothing new for him.

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    cmorenc says:

    What’s really crazy about the potential nomination of Ivanka Trump to by UN Ambassador is that she is such a fittingly perfect representative of this Administration to the world in so many ways. Of course, that’s not at all the same thing as her being the perfect representative of this United States to the world – except to the extent she represents the extent to which Trump and his GOP supporters have warped this country.

    I can already hear the GOP rejoinder to this…but…but…Bobby Kennedy was JFK’s Attorney General, and most folks were ok-dokey with that, weren’t they? Well, Ivanka you’re no Bobby Kennedy, and just because Bobby Kennedy was actually good effective as Attorney General way back then doesn’t mean a President appointing his brother to such a major post was a very sound precedent to set for future generations. And did I mention that Ivanka is no Bobby Kennedy?

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    WaterGirl says:

    More than once today I found myself singing the song from yesterday: Scary Time for Men

    I pulled up the BJ thread and listened to the twitter version – 7.21 MILLION views.
    Then I watched on youtube where it had over 250,00 views.
    It obviously struck chord. Good for her. Good for us.

    My favorite verse, I think:


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    raven says:

    You want to talk about stupid?

    University professor offered extra credit for students who attended Abrams’ event

    An email, obtained by Channel 2, was sent by Andrea Allen, an associate professor of criminal justice, which said:

    “Although I never offer extra credit, I’m making a onetime exception. I’m sure you’ve heard by now that the Abrams campaign along with Senator Warren are visiting campus tomorrow at 10 am in the UC commons. They would like a really big turnout. To help out I’m offering the following opportunity: If you attend, take a selfie of you at the events, and upload a pic to the folder I’m creating in D2L, I’ll add 2 bonus points to your final grade.”

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    Schlemazel says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Gay politician from South Carolina Charley Smith is quoted :

    I’m not a believer in outing, People have a right to deal with this in their own time.”

    More than that we probably won’t know until after he dies or is arrested in an MSP airport restroom

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Amir Khalid: Not that I’m aware of, but it would, of course, be irresponsible not to speculate.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @lgerard: question: I am technically a Georgia resident, and currently in Connecticut, but since I’m driving a rental car with Massachusetts plates, can I vote there?

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: I believe we’re in agreement on that.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    OT: Does anyone know what time old fucks like efg go to bed?

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    raven says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I hit it at 10.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: how about Aunt Pitty-Pat or Huckleberry Closetcase?

    He has brought all of this on himself. The liberals who mock him are not homophobes; they are offended that he hides in the closet and votes against gay rights.

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    Ruckus says:

    That bar is no more than .0001 inch higher. And you aren’t measuring that.

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    raven says:

    @Steve in the ATL: How about fucking shit head officer?

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    Steve in the ATL says:


    Yeah, I don’t like the term “faggot.”

    Indeed. That is a bridge too far.

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    raven says:

    @Ruckus: I see the eye doc tomorrow.

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    Kraux Pas says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    He has brought all of this on himself. The liberals who mock him are not homophobes; they are offended that he hides in the closet and votes against gay rights.

    More so the latter part. Coming out is a tough personal decision, especially for older gay people, and I don’t begrudge people their privacy.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:
    I wouldn’t put them on latrine burn duty without armed guards with orders to shoot for any failure to perform.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    I think that depends on the individual old fuck.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    All right. I’m out for the evening. I’m going to work on postcards and my novel and jump back into the fray tomorrow. I just can’t tonight. Later, jackals!

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Steve in the ATL: You might have to pledge allegiance to the Patriots first.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @raven: Okay. I’ll call him tomorrow.

    @Amir Khalid: Loads of help there, old boy.

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    raven says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Of course I’ve been waking up @ 4!

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Gin & Tonic: fuck that shit! I’ll vote in New Hampshire instead.

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    Ocotillo says:

    Sort of off topic but ugh, all this lovefest from media about Nikki Haley. She has the stench of Trump on her and she is republican, nuff said.

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    Kraux Pas says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    I think that depends on the individual old fuck.

    I think “old fucks like efg” was code for efg as a specific individual.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @raven: me too, thinking I just had the worst nightmare about a drunken rapist abortion nut getting appointed to SCOTUS…thank god it was just a dream

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    Dan B says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: I think “little faggot” is as misogynistic as it is homophobic. It implies that he’s effeminate which is considered disgusting and weak because it makes him powerless, like a woman. It’s hardwired into most people because we don’t notice it ir think about it. Now if she meant to imply that he’s a deceptive cliset case that’s different, but using the correct descriptir would be a vast improvement.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    The liberals who mock him are not homophobes

    Because he is not known for certain to be gay? Maybe they are not, but the mockery itself is treading awfully close to the line.

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    raven says:

    @Steve in the ATL: We just cancelled our week at 30a later in the month and booked a place that cost too much on Edisto.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Amir Khalid: if he would come out, that sort of mockery from liberals would stop. It would start from republicans, of course, but they are horrible people.

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    Kraux Pas says:


    Yeah, I don’t like the term “faggot.”

    Well, maybe in an intimate setting where one partner fetishizes…er…his insecurities…maybe I shouldn’t continue this line of thought.

    But definitely not discussing people generally or public figures.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @raven: you want to talk about a crisis? We may stay in CT over the weekend to get a TA on this contract, and I have not received confirmation that the Georgia-LSU game will be on TV here!

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    raven says:

    @Amir Khalid: Well way-back-when “punk” had gay overtones and I still think he’s a punk ass motherfucker.

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    Dan B says:

    @Steve in the ATL: I honestly believe you’re registered to vote in the State of Confusion. But do check with them first.

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    James E Powell says:


    Yeah, I thought we had reached a consensus around here, to the extent such a thing is possible, to refrain from homophobic slurs no matter who the target.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: @Dan B: Bear in mind that the little faggot got his own jet airplane/the little faggot he’s a millionaire

    What—no one remembers Dire Straits?

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Dan B: I’m a Chicago native, so I vote early and often!

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    Lyrebird says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: I wish I could find Egberto Willies’ recent article owning up to holding some similar attitudes and changing. He’s a front pager at DKos, right. Title was something along the lines of people can change because I sure did, can’t search right now. Still gross to hear such a lousy attitude.

    @Steve in the ATL: I dunno. I am still a huge fan of Joy-Ann Reid, and I think it was malicious action that brought her former comments to light, but okay I can believe she held homophobic attitudes. I think the way she was treated was a bit BS-y because I am *so* sure her bosses held those attitudes or worse but didn’t post them, and maybe haven’t changed them, and certainly haven’t apologized.

    I’m sure I’m in the minority. I don’t like mocking people for TP on their shoe. I do think Dr. Blasey Ford should sue various people for defamation, and I think both Trump and Graham are such corrupt and inhumane monsters that I don’t want people to spend too much time on their personal quirks that don’t rise to that level.

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    raven says:

    @Steve in the ATL: There are no alternate CBS 3:30 games. The SEC rules.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Steve in the ATL:
    For all anyone knows, it may be that Graham has nothing to come out about, that he is in fact not gay.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Steve in the ATL:
    That’s different. He was portraying characters (and their mindsets) in the song

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    Kraux Pas says:

    @Amir Khalid: He just hasn’t met the right woman yet.

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    EveryDayIHaveTheBlues says:

    Y’know, the other day I asked the question as to why people still identified as R. Lots of folks very kindly and eloquently responded, demonstrating the power of racism, bigotry and misogyny. I thank them for it, and believe that these factors are paramount.

    But people like Haley still mystify me. What the fuck is her problem? I suppose it is the same driving force that animates Raj Shah and Ajit Pai, but goddamn, as a first generation Indian-American, I just dont get it.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    [. . .] I have not received confirmation that the Georgia-LSU game will be on TV here!

    Possibly of use: My TV died a month ago, right before I went out of town for three weeks. I was too wrapped up in the pre-trip mania to deal with it, but I got back Saturday and have been grappling with “I didn’t cut the cord, the cord cut me.”

    Anyway, tonight I fumbled my way through the process to stream the Red Sox-Yankees game on my computer via the TBS website. At one point I had to identify my cable system (Cox) and provide my Cox user name and password. After that I was good to go.

    The same thing may apply to the Georgia-LSU game. You might be able to log onto the CBS website and stream it there, as long as you have your “I subscribe to this channel on my cable system” bona fides.

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    raven says:

    @James E Powell: ] A consensus? hahahahaha.

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    Ruckus says:

    Great! Hope that’s the problem and it’s fixable with glasses/contacts. Feeling loopy when you aren’t drinking or ingesting something for that is not all that much fun.
    When my cataracts get bad enough I get them fixed but I have no idea if that will fix this issue we seem to be having. The gist I got from the ophthalmologist is that it should. Was told in May that cataracts are developing rather slowly so it may be a while.
    If this keeps up I could become the $12.95 guy. Like the 6 million dollar man but not nearly as cool.

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    Dan B says:

    @Steve in the ATL: There used to be a high percentage of gay men who didn’t like “shoving it in their faces” and a cohort of strsight people who were friends who voted against gay rights. They did do because the radical gay activista disturbed them. In other words a David F’ing Brooks hissyfit.

    Lindsey fits right into that crowd.

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    lgerard says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    I am technically a Georgia resident, and currently in Connecticut, but since I’m driving a rental car with Massachusetts plates, can I vote there?

    You certainly can try. You have 10 days to make it happen.

    I spent many many. years as an election official and several years ago Ii had a guy who insisted that since he registered in Florida “six or sevens years ago”, he could vote in MA. No matter how I tried to explain it, he just would not accept it. The police officer was actually hovering waiting for the nod to toss the guy out.

    Voting is weird, no matter where you are. Scott Lively, a guy who has spent more then a decade on my 10 people I want to punch in the face list got 36% of the vote against Baker in the MA governors primary. Almost 100,000 people actually voted for that nut.

    I guess there are no safe spaces.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Steve in the ATL:
    By the time of the Live Aid concert, Mark Knopfler was omitting the gay slur from live performances of Money For Nothing.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Kraux Pas:
    Or he could be asexual. That is a thing.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Amir Khalid: this is not a hill to die on, Freund

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    Kraux Pas says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    I am technically a Georgia resident, and currently in Connecticut, but since I’m driving a rental car with Massachusetts plates, can I vote there?

    Unless you have a legitimate claim to MA residency, I’d recommend against it. Also, since you’re a GA resident, can’t you get an absentee ballot to vote for your own fabulous candidate?

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    Barbara says:

    @EveryDayIHaveTheBlues: Her main problem is that she lives in South Carolina and wants a career in politics. It is almost certainly why she converted to Christianity and forsook being Sikh.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    He has brought all of this on himself. The liberals who mock him are not homophobes; they are offended that he hides in the closet and votes against gay rights.

    This. My gay son calls him that as well. So I do.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    There are dozens of reasons to oppose Lindsey (fixed spelling) Graham. His sexual orientation, real or assumed, should not be one of them. Even if there is more than a whiff of hypocrisy on his part. We don’t need to go there.

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    NotMax says:


    If you look at him (or her) sideways, you’ll see

    (wait for it)

    a pair o’ docs.


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    Dan B says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Aiieeee!! Earworm gah earrrrwoooooormmm!

    Thanx “for nothing” and not even no drinks for free, either…

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    Aleta says:

    ICE is dumping people it’s been holding in detention, without any information, assistance or instruction on their court dates. Just an ankle bracelet. Churches are taking some in to give shelter and food, but overwhelmed. Our governemnt says it has to do this to avoid violation of Flores, and because the numbers of people held are too great for them to process any other way.

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    Barbara says:

    @Amir Khalid: I always thought the lyrics were supposed to be in the character of the envious installers and I never attributed them to Knopfler and company. But I can understand why he didn’t feel like making that defense.

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    Kay says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷:

    working in law, with Ohio’s drug courts?

    I have! My husband is on a drug court board, too. He pushed for one here and he got it. I deal with a different one than he does- his is felony, adults. Mine is drug addicted parents- that category goes thru a juvenile court. There’s a couple of different varieties of drug courts. I haven’t looked in about 5 years but the research on them was mixed- they’re not a magic bullet. I think people were just so desperate to find some other route than prison they may have oversold how effective they are. BUT they do have value- it’s just not a cure-all.

    I’m gonna vote for Issue One, mostly because it reforms the probation system, which is, frankly, a racket. They keep them on paper forever and keep on violating them and they end up in the criminal justice system for years. It was never intended to be endless. The idea was to move them thru and out. Now they are just on this awful treadmill for years.

    Issue One is the Left position. We’ll end up to the Right of that but we needed to start at Left to get to the right place :)

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steve in the ATL: That wasn’t Knoplfer’s own voice. He also knew that it wasn’t money for nothing and the chicks weren’t free. We can argue whether it is okay to put such words in a character’s voice, but that is a different fight. A few years ago, there was an AA commenter here who argued that Twain’s use of the n-word should remove Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer from the canon. That the harm from the use of the word outweighed the literary value of the books.

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    I must be a bad person because I don’t really care what people call Mr Graham after his shameful theatrics during the hearings.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    hm Trump walked this back, sounds like we should be trolling his Twitter “Stay strong bro and don’t let those women bully on you Ivanka” hehe.

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    raven says:

    @Ruckus: I’m optimistic!

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    Dan B says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Aaah, those were the days, my friend. Those Daley days, my friend!

    Back atcha with earworm, ha!

    We let the mob vote for us, and they nearly voted “with” us.

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    TS (the original) says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Republicans know they can’t win fair and open elections. US is now a 3rd world country when it comes to the right to vote.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @A Ghost To Most:

    With all respect to your gay son, that is the same argument as African-Americans using the N-word. Their prerogative. Not mine.

    I often call myself a old broad, but I’ll be goddamned if I want any male to refer to me as such.

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    Steeplejack says:


    Thanks. I know all the networks have their various streaming portals. Steve certainly should be able to avoid watching Delaware vs. Lehigh or some shit like that.

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    raven says:

    @Omnes Omnibus]I was at a Unitarian service in Arizona where there was a heated debate about purging sexist language from their hymnal that was similar.

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    @EveryDayIHaveTheBlues: I Got Mine Fuck You. Why do you think Indians or their progeny are immune to it.

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    Aleta says:

    @Aleta: I should have said, it’s dumping families, because (I think) Flores applies to the length of time it’s allowed to hold children (which is 20 days). So I believe it’s people who came with children who are just being put onto the street without help to travel to relatives.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    A most ingenious pair o’ docs.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Amir Khalid:
    This raises an interesting question: when is it appropriate to include slurs in art? I think it depends on the context of the story/subject being portrayed as well as the narrative itself disapproving of the bigoted mindset

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Steve in the ATL:
    I’m not risking my life on any hill here. I just think it’s inappropriate to speculate about, let alone to mock, a strictly personal aspect of any politician’s life.

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    NotMax says:


    Is The Venerable Broad kosher?


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    raven says:

    @Steeplejack: I’m pretty sure there is no regional stuff on CBS anymore.

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    Dan B says:

    @Lyrebird: I love Joy Reid and don’t doubt she was homophobic. Its part of the power elite game plan to keep minorities at each others throats. Lots of white gay men are racist although not nearly as much as a few decades ago.
    On a tangential note our neighbors on three sides are black. One just loves us and attends a black church whose pastor preaches about sinful deceitful homosexuals. Our neighbors on the other side thought for a year that my partner and I were brothers. He was surprised but just as exuberantly friendly after “the revelation”. Ignorance ain’t bliss. Knowledge trumps it.

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: We’re all on a moral journey, even in our dotage. I also used to use that epithet for him. Someone at LG&M pointed out it was homophobic, and I no longer do it. Instead, I use “Trumpenfelcher Lindsey”.

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    EveryDayIHaveTheBlues says:

    @Kay: Thanks for the explanation. This is really very useful info. Thanks also to Goku (American Baka) for asking the question.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    From what I’ve read I plan on voting for it. The way I see it, if law enforcement is against it, then it probably can’t be all that bad ;). It also has helped me decide who to vote for county judge.

    What do you think are the odds of it passing? Saw an ad trying to tie it to Cordray. I hope that doesn’t affect his chances.

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @Gin & Tonic: I think the point that the LGBTQ (though I believe “L”) person was making at LG&M, was that -they- can use epithets; -we- (cis- folks) should stick to facts, not slurs. So maybe “Notably closeted hypocrite Lindsey Graham” instead of “Miss Lindsey”, maybe?

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    Dan B says:

    @EveryDayIHaveTheBlues: Good friends of ours from India have relatives who are very conservative. They don’t get it either. Most GOPers would love to have Indian Americans back home where they belong.

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    Kraux Pas says:

    @A Ghost To Most:

    This. My gay son calls him that as well. So I do.

    I believe it was Ice Cube on an episode of the Chapelle Show who said, in short, say what you want but know your audience.

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    Origuy says:

    A Tennessee Highway Patrol trooper assigned to provide security for both gubernatorial candidates was removed from his post last month after violating a nondisclosure agreement by revealing details of Democrat Karl Dean’s schedule to Republican Bill Lee’s campaign.

    He apparently told Lee’s campaign that Dean had a “Muslim event”. It was a meet-and-greet at a felafel restaurant.

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    Dan B says:

    @Chetan Murthy: There are rumors that Lindsey is into young men. We want him to stay in that closet. But feel for the guys if that’s the case.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @raven: unlike Lindsey.


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    NotMax says:



    “A what restaurant?”

    “They’re like Mooslim hush puppies.”


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    MoxieM says:

    @A Ghost To Most: Sadly, that would make the Kavanaugh farce into Operation Reinhard. Possibly not far off, with only slightly different targets. ((shudder))

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Amir Khalid: No. He votes in lockstep with the party that oppresses homosexuals. He doesn’t get to hide behind his “personal life”.

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    Kraux Pas says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    He votes in lockstep with the party that oppresses homosexuals.


    He doesn’t get to hide behind his “personal life”.

    Not so much so.

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    EveryDayIHaveTheBlues says:

    @schrodingers_cat: No, of course I dont think that Indians or their progeny are immune to it. That’s ridiculous. People are the products of their environments, and though cultural differences exist, human nature and the essentials of being ethical and just or corrupt and bullying are not confined to a particular race or creed or national identity.

    No, it puzzles me because as a POC, I’m sure she’s experienced some form of bigotry in her life. So why then would she choose to promote and work for the political party that has made those attitudes their defining features? THAT is the point. I think Barbara had a great point above, in that Haley saw this as being the best way of getting ahead in the south.

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    @MomSense: This times sixteen jillion.

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    Aleta says:

    It’s not about “Vile Lindsay Graham should not be called bad names.” vs “He’s so bad he deserves any bad name you can think of.” It’s about the habit of using gay slurs as insults.

    If my 12 year old nephew who’s adjusting to the idea that he might be gay (and been beaten up by the same kids who yell that at him every day) reads or hears ‘Lindsay G is a Fag,’ he doesn’t think “Oh that’s just about Lindsay, because he’s a bad person. It’s nothing to do with me.” He understands that the word Fag is derogatory and that if he’s gay, it applies to him too.

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    Dan B says:

    @Origuy: Good god! Falafel is Muslim!! Oh, it’s Tennessee. Our Rep Pramila Jayapal is Hindu, probably secular. She started an organization to protect immigrants from abuse after 9/11. Lotsa protecting Muslims as well as other minorities since bigots think they all look alike. Her election launch party had lots of observant Muslims and every minority, including sexual minorities. Lots of them knew each other. It was an awesome feeling. I had a great time catching up with some Muslim activist friends afterwards.

    No Falafel unfortunately…

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    Dan B says:

    @NotMax: Question: Do they come with collards and red eye gravy?

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    Kraux Pas says:

    @Aleta: Beautifully put. And yes, let’s not give gay children complexes

    @Chetan Murthy: Trumpenfelcher definitely has clear homoerotic overtones.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Barbara: that is correct

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    Kay says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷:

    I don’t think it will pass but criminal justice reform is a freight train coming. Trump’s out of step. This is a very conservative county and we got a drug court. They ALL know it needs to be fixed. When it doesn’t pass something more moderate will pass, but less moderate than it might have been without Issue One as the marker on the Left.

    I think Cordray is struggling with it because it isn’t an authentic position for him. He was an AG. He’s pro law enforcement. He went along with it because he’s the Democrat and he needs credibility with the base (especially the AA base, who are essential to any Democrat in Ohio) but his heart isn’t in it. He’ll do crim justice reform but it will be more moderate.

    My sense is Issue One may hurt him with moderates but this is a midterm so he should go after the base. Moderates will just have to suck it up or vote for DeWine. Cordray needs huge turnout in the liberal counties. Needs. Some smattering of fickle moderates won’t help if he doesn’t have the base in urban counties. He’ll be a good governor- a little too law n order-y for my tastes but he’ll be excellent on economy, health care and education. If he’s a good governor he’ll be a presidential candidate after 2 terms. Like Kasich was, but, you know, winning a primary.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: I respectfully dissent. Hypocrisy is a horrible, horrible quality.

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    Jay says:

    “No, it puzzles me because as a POC, I’m sure she’s experienced some form of bigotry in her life. So why then would she choose to promote and work for the political party that has made those attitudes their defining features? THAT is the point. I think Barbara had a great point above, in that Haley saw this as being the best way of getting ahead in the south.”

    Caste still has a lot to do with it.

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    EveryDayIHaveTheBlues says:

    @Dan B: yeah, some of my own relatives are conservative, but Trump calling Ivanka “a piece of ass” cured them of that. Like I said above, your point is very well taken. Conservatives/Rs dont really like or respect you, so why would you stick with them?

    I think the answer here also has to do with Racism against African Americans and Latinos. Basically, no badly how bad Rs treat them, they’ll still be better off than The Other Ones.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: it hurts that you of all people would impugn my knowledge of ‘80’s music.

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    NotMax says:

    @Dan B

    Not complete without potlikker.


    (Not taking sides in the potlikker versus pot liquor wars.)

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    When did Balloon Juice comment section, the home to vicious snarling jackals become so naive and earnest. Is this performance art or a new form of trolling.

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    Procopius says:

    @jharp: The rich never spend their own money. The credit card companies grovel before them.

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    @Jay: What is it? And what does caste have to do with it?
    Haley is ambitious, wanted to get ahead in SC politics, did what it took to become successful.

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    EveryDayIHaveTheBlues says:

    @Jay: Agree to a certain extent. Traditionally, Sikhism has no castes, so I can’t imagine why she’d be influenced by that, but of course, this depends on how she was raised, her parents attitudes etc. So it is quite likely, but I dont know for sure. Also, I think caste is much less important in the US, when there are other, much more glaring markers like race and class (Money! Get back!
    I’m all right Jack keep your hands off of my stack) to discriminate against. I’m not saying it doesn’t exist, my feeling is that it would be way too much trouble to indulge in that much hate…

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @schrodingers_cat: she will do fine, just needs to pivot to being a racist white man

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    @Steve in the ATL: Becoming a Methodist and an R helped her become the Governor. But in the current T party her prospects may have dimmed a little. I have no insight into SC politics.

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    SFAW says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    fuck that shit! I’ll vote in New Hampshire instead.

    I kind of doubt this will make you feel better, or provide moral support, but: I’ve been living in MA for more than 40 years, and I ain’t a Pats fan, nor have I been ostracized for being a Jets fan.

    On the other hand, these last few years, being a Jets fan has been its own punishment. Although I have high hopes for Sam Darnold

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    Jay says:

    @schrodingers_cat: @EveryDayIHaveTheBlues:

    As the Yale Harvard Violent Serial Gang Rapists “episode” of this horrid reality TV show has shown, in North America a whole new caste system has been built around money, power and the New Aristocracy.

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    @Jay: Got it. I wuz confused. Indians are such a teeny tiny minority in the United States demographically speaking that caste is not big of a deal here in politics. In India though it plays the same pernicious role that race does here.

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    EveryDayIHaveTheBlues says:

    @Jay: Absolutely, I concur strongly.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    FYI, you can early vote in Georgia starting October 15th. I just wrote that on 15 postcards for your Democratic Dream Team of Stacey Abrams and Sarah Riggs Amico. You’re welcome.

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    Omnes Onmibus says:

    @Steve in the ATL: I was assuming you were drunk.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @schrodingers_cat: my wife’s cousin is married to an Indian man. He is somehow a hardcore bible thumper. Flies to DC for Mike Pence’s prayer breakfasts. His parents are rightfully ashamed of him. Yet they haven’t taken away his trust fund….

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Hussein Ibish @ Ibishblog
    According to ⁦@washingtonpost⁩
    “Before Khashoggi’s disappearance, U.S. intelligence intercepted communications of Saudi officials discussing a plan to capture him, according to a person familiar with the information.” …

    Ned Price @ nedprice
    The Intelligence Community has a “duty to warn” potential victims of impending threats, per Directive 191. If this is accurate, Khashoggi almost certainly should’ve been alerted. Whether that happened—or whether blind allegiance to Saudi interests intervened—must be investigated.

    Brian Beutler @brianbeutler
    Trump, who is briefed about this kind of intelligence, played dumb about Khashoggi today. Thinking back on the administration’s response to this generally, and Trump’s specifically, in light of his family’s corrupt relationship with MBS, and becoming ill about the possibilities.

    Jared is a secret genius.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Mnemosyne: thank you, but I was aware and will be voting next week when I am home for a couple of days.

    @Omnes Onmibus: tried, but the wine wasn’t particularly good. Tried the cab, Pinot, and Malbec but all were disappointing. Tap & Vine was clearly more focused on the Tap than on the Vine. Ah, life in small town Connecticut.

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    @Steve in the ATL: Is he a convert or was he born a Christian. I had an Indian friend who was totes cray cray bible thumping Christian. Her was born that way.
    Sample dialog
    Bible Thumper Friend: How can a God have four arms
    Me: If immaculate conception is possible why not four arms.

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    tobie says:

    My first hour of phone banking for Heitkamp and the ND Dem Party/NPL did not feel good at all. I’ve done a lot of phone banking in the past and know it’s tough to put together a call list in a state like North Dakota where you don’t have party registration. But geez….this was weird. Two men told me in no uncertain terms that they could never vote for a Democrat after the way the party treated Kavanaugh; one told me that Obama only looked out for Muslims; many folks hung up on me; many complained that they’d been called multiple times and this was a wrong number; no one seemed enthusiastic at all. Even those who said they’d vote for the Democratic ticket were cagey, crabby, and unfriendly. I’ll do it again tomorrow and hope for better results but I have to say this was something of a shocker. FOX and Limbaugh have poisoned the American mind.

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    Kay says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷:

    It’s been very gratifying to me to watch DeWine struggle on health care because Republicans don’t have a health care position. They never have. They opposed Obamacare and now that it’s more popular they want to say they support the parts people like. How does this happen? This entire political Party who have been in power now for years have no plan at all for health care, except for pretending to support two Democratic programs , Medicare and Medicaid. Thousands of GOP grifters in think tanks and the only thing they ever came up with was “sell health insurance across state lines” – they don’t even say that anymore. For 30 years we’ve been listening to these people complain about Democrats health care positions and over those decades they never came up with their own position. Paul Ryan is retiring without ever offering anything.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @schrodingers_cat: converted. His parents are good Hindus.

    Apropos of nothing, I’m watching “Flight of the Conchords: Live in London” for the second time in two days. Love those guys!

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    Cacti says:

    Yes. We’ve reached the point in the American experiment where President Caligula wants to make his horse into a Consul.

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    The Dangerman says:

    I think Ivanka would be incredible.

    The first thing to come to his mind since she was about 16.

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    J R in WV says:

    I just want to point out that some people with different gender preferences are also evil scum. Like Lindsey Graham, we don’t really know his gender preferences, but we do know he’s an evil scumbag. It is hard for me to object to any name you can dredge up to apply to a Trumpist monster.

    I’m totally in favor of marriage for all, liberation of trans people, the whole LBGT (i forget some of the other letters, sorry!) agenda. I try to avoid calling Lindsey names other than descriptive terms for his level of ethics and morality, which are a fraction of a micron above dead level zero. But anger and motivate one to use a slur they might not use in a more reasoned state.

    I loaded tires on rims into the car this morning, and now my back is telling me I’m too old for that shit. Ouch! Gonna head north (towards our bedroom, via the bathroom) right away.

    We love living in the woods here in WV. Our two adjacent neighbor families are old best friends, and advanced progressive liberal commies like most jackals. The next nearest neighbors are a really nice missionary type family and a holy roller country preacher, who is also helpful and friendly, even tho he knows we’re all dammed Democrats.

    You jackals have a good night.

    Fuck LBJ — on behalf of Raven.

    Tick Tock, Mutherfuquers! for yarrow.

    Just fuck’em for EFG !!

    G’night all…

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    @Steve in the ATL: I am a bad Hindu. If I ever go to a temple its usually for the food.

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    Kraux Pas says:

    @J R in WV:

    I loaded tires on rims into the car this morning, and now my back is telling me I’m too old for that shit.

    Getting ready to serve them up with some anthrax?

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    If immaculate conception is possible why not four arms.

    Rotating tag candidate. Or bumper sticker. Or t-shirt. Or all of the above; I’m not fussy.

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    Kay says:

    Marshall Cohen
    ‏Verified account
    4h4 hours ago
    NEW TODAY: Roger Stone aide Andrew Miller hopes Kavanaugh will support his case against Mueller. He was subpoenaed by Mueller and is fighting to block it. With Kavanaugh on the bench, Miller says, “I feel nothing but great. I’m cool as a cucumber now.”

    The proud corruption is really something. Not to be a downer but when people say “it could be really bad…”

    Is. It’s bad. They brag about how incredibly corrupt they all are. It may work out okay, no telling, but it’s bad right now. This is not a good trend line. They literally get worse every day. This is markedly worse than Kavanaugh’s campaign rally last night, and that was very bad.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @schrodingers_cat: a bad Hindu is better than a good southern baptist.

    @J R in WV: agree—I’ve always been in favor of gay marriage. Why shouldn’t gay people have to suffer like the rest of us?

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @Kraux Pas:

    Trumpenfelcher definitely has clear homoerotic overtones.

    Licking someone’s ass is homoerotic? Next you’ll be telling me that eating someone’s shit is too?

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Chetan Murthy: and on that note…good night all!

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    Steeplejack says:


    Remember, they call it “Minnesota nice,” not “Dakota nice.”

    Seriously, I think the whole run-up to this election has put everybody on edge. And the Boof Kavanaugh affair was salt in the wound. But thank you for your persistence.

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    Kraux Pas says:

    @Chetan Murthy:

    Licking someone’s ass is homoerotic? Next you’ll be telling me that eating someone’s shit is too?

    It is homoerotic when it’s two men, yes. Also, to be precise, felching is eating semen out of someone’s asshole. What you described was first rimming then scat play.

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    sgrAstar says:

    @tobie: Kav didn’t participate in the ND voting decision.

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    Cleek says:

    They’re trrolling.

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    tobie says:

    @Steeplejack: I can see how Kavanaugh was salt in the wound for Democrats but not for Republicans. We lost. They didn’t. Their guy is on the court. Blasey-Ford by contrast can’t even return home because of death threats. What I don’t understand is how Republicans can be such sore winners. It’s like the stupid ‘war on Xmas’ campaign they had. They always see themselves as victims even when they hold all the cards.

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    Ruckus says:

    As has been stated too many time to count, republicans main political position is greed. It has been my entire life and has only change is that it’s gotten more apparent during that time. Greed is the only thing that motivates them. Even their bigotry is based in greed, they have to get theirs before all others. Yes it’s still bigotry and is terrible in it’s own right, but it’s based upon greed. Misogyny? Same again, greed, gotta get their’s before anyone else, even if they have to steal it. Every position they have is based upon greed.

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    Steeplejack says:


    I suspect that for less fanatical Republican voters—and low-information voters—the whole Kavanaugh thing was “icky” and they don’t want to think about it or be reminded of it. “Yes, I’m glad we got our guy on the court, but I wouldn’t him anywhere near Barb and Linda!” So your call might be triggering that.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @J R in WV:

    Lindsey Graham, we don’t really know his gender preferences, but we do know he’s an evil scumbag.

    Then call out the evil scumbag, but don’t waste time and emotional energy mocking the gay person he may or may not be.

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    Jay says:


    “Ever since then, conservative politicians have led a victimhood parade of cranks, conspiracy theorists, and anti-intellectuals. Nixon may have been the most hardcore of the lot, but others merely picked up where he left off. Presidential candidates Barry Goldwater in 1964, George Wallace in 1968, and Ronald Reagan in 1980 implored and sometimes convinced voters to doubt or reject the wisdom of elites.”

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    Ruckus says:

    Republicans are the lowest common denominator among humans.

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    tobie says:

    @Jay: I know the cult of victimhood has been building for decades but it’s now on full display. Through lying, cheating and stealing, the Republicans have taken control of all three branches of government. Their bone-stupid, authority-loving followers have for years been complaining about the lame-stream media and Trump’s now convinced them it’s all fake news. I don’t think I ever spoke to such fire-breathing, crazy Republicans as I did tonight. It was terrifying–and I don’t scare easily.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @Roger Moore: No we can’t. Fuck you & your hypersensitivite feelings.

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    Brickley Paiste says:


    I spent two weeks in September knocking on doors for Tester in Montana.

    toward the end of my stay, the walking sheets showed that most of the people had been personally contacted at least once, even if there wasn’t a commitment. And this was 6 weeks before the election.

    I’m really hopeful for Tester.

    My friends who are working for Beto are not optimistic.

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    Brickley Paiste says:

    @Roger Moore:
    I’ve been bitching about this for weeks.

    It’s just not right. How people can’t see that making gender preference and insult specifically targets the humanity of gay people

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    Jay says:


    ” I don’t think I ever spoke to such fire-breathing, crazy Republicans as I did tonight. It was terrifying–and I don’t scare easily.”

    Crazy, angry and resentful generally leads to self destruction.

    Yeah, in the meantime, they can do a lot of damage to others, but in the arc of history they ususally become footnotes.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @A Ghost To Most: Steven Miller is the Maladministration’s Reinhard Heydrich wind-up doll with all brain functions above the reptile cortex disabled.

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    tobie says:

    @Brickley Paiste: Texas is still a ruby red state and it’s amazing that things are as close as they are. The one unknown factor is how many young people and POC have registered in TX in the past month. The election may well depend on this.

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    tobie says:

    @Jay: Thanks for the long view. I’ll keep this in mind.

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    Mandalay says:

    @Amir Khalid: Thank you for your posts in this thread.

    Some folks here made comments that said absolutely nothing about Graham, but an awful lot about themselves.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:


    I can see how Kavanaugh was salt in the wound for Democrats but not for Republicans. We lost. They didn’t. Their guy is on the court.

    Please pay attention, the Republican won against themselves. Since the senate tossed out consensus under Turtle it’s strictly a party line vote and they are in the majority, and they only managed to get a party line vote in the most painful way possible.

    I think the Senate Dems haven’t caught on to this and need to start taking lessons from the House Dems and do things like show up and vote present.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @Brickley Paiste: So this begs the question, what is the nice polite way to insult a man like Graham? I am always fascinated by people who think you can have the moral high ground during an act of violence.

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    Kraux Pas says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: Go for unequivocal factual criticisms, worded as strongly as you like. Rather than attacking his perceived femininity.

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @Kraux Pas: Nopes. It needs to be a -slur-. These goat-fuckers [see what I did there?] deserve no politeness, no civility. And whatever it is, it better be short, sharp, and memorable.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Kraux Pas:

    Taking off last winter’s snow tires, putting on the excellent all season sport tires I didn’t put on last spring. The Blizzak snows didn’t have quite enough tread to be good winter tires, but were fine for the use all summer, which saved the summer all season tires a few thousand miles.

    Think I won’t get another set of snows, since we’re retired and don’t have many have-to-go appointments during ice storms. Although ice storms seem to be more common lately.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    That was kinda my point, I thought. Did I not make my point clear??/


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    george says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Baseball tickets aren’t cheap.

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