Repub Venality Open Thread: Lindsay Graham Is Giving His Voters What They Want

It may be a tell, but it ain’t no mystery. Graham’s seat comes up again in 2020, in South Too small for a republic, too big for an insane asylum” Carolina. You don’t need to postulate Russian kompromat or other mysterious Oval-Office-Occupancy blackmail threats to explain his behavior; Senator Graham knows what his voters want, and he’s prepared to give it to them. THA SAKERD SUTHRUN TRADITIONS may be changing… but the people who donate to Graham’s campaign and who pull the lever by his name in the voting booth are, defiantly, *not*.
So he’s going all out on Kavanaugh. Last night, per Rolling Stone:

As America continues to vet the sexual assault allegations against Brett Kavanaugh, we are handed competing narratives. One thing, however, is clear: Lindsey Graham has jumped the shark. On Monday night, the senator from South Carolina sat down with Sean Hannity to discuss his feverish obsession with forcing Kavanaugh onto the Supreme Court, sexual allegations be damned. So laser-focused is Graham that he thinks President Trump should re-nominate Kavanaugh for the position should the Senate vote against him after the FBI concludes its investigation at the end of this week.

“I would appeal the verdict of the Senate to the ballot box,” Graham said. “This good man should not be destroyed. If you legitimize this process by one vote short, woe be unto the next person. I’d hate to be the next person nominated. I would feel horrible that we destroyed Kavanaugh. I’d renominate him and I’d take this case to the American people. I’d ask voters in Indiana and Missouri and North Dakota and other places where Trump won, saying who he would nominate if he got to be president, and see if the voters would want to appeal the verdict of their senator.”…

That wasn’t all. Graham also veered into “enemy of the people” territory by pointing a finger at NBC, whom he accused of working with the Democrats to derail Kavanaugh’s nomination. “They’ve been a co-conspirator in the destruction of Kavanaugh from my point of view,” he said, going on to suggest they wouldn’t report on sexual assault allegations if they were made against a Democrat…

Emma Dumain, at McClatchey, “Graham’s defense of Kavanaugh has conservatives applauding. How long will that last?”

…[D]uring a speech that could become his campaign ad two years from now, the South Carolina Republican on Thursday delivered a scathing takedown of Democrats and full-throated defense of Brett Kavanaugh, the nominee to be a Supreme Court Justice accused of sexual assault.

By Friday morning, Graham had cemented himself as the most public face of the Republican Senate’s support for the embattled federal judge — a role that has endeared him so greatly to the conservatives he needs to fend off primary challengers.

But Graham knows how such love is fleeting: Conservatives could turn on him at any moment…

Every six years, he finds himself at risk of being ousted in a Republican primary election by someone claiming to be farther to the right.

And every time, Graham is able to survive. In 2014, Graham won his Republican primary with 56 percent. His chances of holding on, however, become more and more tenuous with each gesture he makes towards Democrats…

Voters are unlikely to shoot him down for his court views this time. During his fiery speech on Thursday, Graham accused Democrats of playing politics with the Kavanaugh nomination.

“Boy, do you want power,” he yelled, his voice shaking. “God, I hope you never get it.”

Graham’s take-down of colleagues on the other side of the aisle might have been an encouraging sign to many GOP voters who want a true, partisan hardliner representing them in Washington…

275 replies
  1. 1
    AThornton says:

    Empirical evidence says South Carolina isn’t too big for an insane asylum.

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    Elizabelle says:

    “Being toasted” or “is toast”? Discuss.

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    Baud says:

    he thinks President Trump should re-nominate Kavanaugh for the position should the Senate vote against him after the FBI concludes its investigation at the end of this week.

    I agree.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Baud: Yeah. Like Kavanaugh is gonna age well in a week or two.

    I hope we can stop Trump from nominating any more justices. None. He is a crook, as the FTF NYTimes has proved this afternoon. No appointing anyone to benefit himself and his family, legally.

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    Baud says:

    @Elizabelle: If we control the Senate, we can do what they did to Garland. But that’s about it.

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    piratedan says:

    makes me think that the Russian Dark Money paid off Kavanaugh’s debt and bought his new palatial estate because of how his pro-offered opinions on how to handle Presidential “ethics” unfold and the idea that states cannot pursue legal recourse once federal pardons have been issued. Mitchie and the boys could all then get their get of free cards once treason charges are handed out by the Mueller investigation….

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    AThornton says:

    All kinds of reports white suburban women are switching to Dem.

    Which may explain the sudden panic on the part of the GOP for the Tennessee seat.

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    RedDirtGirl says:

    It does feel a little bit like “the other side” is starting to bump up against life outside the echo chamber…

    In little ways,
    and I imagine it’s only gonna get worse,
    and then MAYBE change for the better,
    or maybe all just go up in flames.

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    debbie says:


    So do the same thing back? Sounds more like a preschool playground than the Senate ought to. How about instead we pressure Trump to nominate Garland?

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    Baud says:

    @RedDirtGirl: It has to get worse. The GOP only has two tricks left. The first is to rev up their base with hate like they did in 2016. The other is to let Dems control everything and then join the pile on from the usual suspects. Option 2 isn’t available to them until 2021.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Graham is auditioning for Attorney General. He must think Sessions’ days are numbered.

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    Baud says:

    @debbie: I’d be for that. How to you propose to pressure Trump?

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    Open thread? Gonna see the eye doctor tomorrow and then just ruin my flex spending account with a glasses shopping spree. Exciting!

    @Baud: Heh.

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    donnah says:

    It’s the Upside Down. Republicans run the show and we have to stand by and watch. It’s infuriating and it’s frustrating, but I’m hoping that after the Midterms and Mueller’s report, the Upside Down gets tossed and sanity returns. Please!

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    eemom says:

    Graham is such a disgusting lying hypocritical sack of shit.


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    TenguPhule says:

    They’ve been a co-conspirator

    Every Accusation is a fucking confession.

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    TenguPhule says:


    Graham is such a disgusting lying hypocritical sack of shit.

    The Guild of Hypocritical Sacks of Shit are on line two with a defamation suit pending.

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    Mary G says:

    Politico has another Lindsey Graham rah-rah piece that says pretty much the same thing. Written by lobbyist also from South Carolina:

    Combine what Graham sees as a breach of institutional norms with a personal betrayal and for him it’s explosive—the political equivalent of mixing sodium with water (or worse, putting mayonnaise on barbeque). It may have other political benefits, but based on my over 20 years listening to and following Lindsey Graham, it is fundamentally a compromise of honor both personally and institutionally that, as he says, really pissed him off. In this case, “bless your heart” was not going to cut it.

    I continue to doubt all this, still thinking he blew up because the prosecutor lady was coming too close for comfort to the July 1 calendar entry, but who knows?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @piratedan: It was dark money, but not necessarily Russian. Rather it was the dark money that funds Leonard Leo’s various operations and organizations, as well as his personal life. This includes the Federalist Society, the Judicial Crisis Network, his own consultancy, and a variety of his other endeavors. Give this a read, from my old friend (we went to elementary and middle school together) and excellent investigative journalist Jay Michaelson.

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    TenguPhule says:


    Mitchie and the boys could all then get their get of free cards once treason charges are handed out by the Mueller investigation

    And all of them mysteriously wind up committing suicide by stabbing themselves in the back and zipping themselves up into those sport duffle bags.

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    Adam L Silverman says:


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    hueyplong says:

    And if Kavanaugh fails on that second nomination, GOPers must try a third time. This is the precise hill they need to die on, with Kavanaugh as their very best leading man.

    I have two words for the Democratic majority: Extreme vetting.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Mary G:

    What Graham sees as a breach of institutional norms

    That Graham did not immediately burst into blame is proof that there is no just loving god.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Mary G: Even Wittes talks about the significance of the July 1 date on Kavanaugh’s calendar.

    I am not the biggest fan of Benjamin Wittes — the understatement of all understatements — but I commend him for writing his most recent article and taking a stand. I think that could help give cover to the more cowardly senators.

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    TenguPhule says:


    The GOP only has two tricks left.

    No. They have lots of tricks left. Do they have the fanatical manpower to attempt some of the worse ones? Hard to say.

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    Mary G says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Does the Federalist website also belong to them, or do they just have the name in common? I always see people asking the editor where he gets his money, implying that it’s Russia.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    FBI not talking to Dr Ford? Or to possible witnesses other than Judge? Investigation to be completed on Wednesday? Only T and senators to see results? How will ‘we the people’know who and what was actually investigated?

    The claims of so many Yale people that the FBI won’t talk to them. One claims a field office said they didn’t deal with that, another that an office claimed to have no knowledge of what the potential witness was talking about.
    It sure sounds like the fix is in.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Mary G:

    it is fundamentally a compromise of honor both personally and institutionally that, as he says, really pissed him off.

    Merrick fucking Garland.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @WaterGirl: Wittes is a conservative, but he’s not a Federalist Society type. He, like all of us, has his personal and professional blind spots. And as a non-lawyer who is a legal/judicial scholar, he’s spent a lot of time interacting with these folks and developing friendships with them.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    Fuck christian fascists.

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    piratedan says:

    @Adam L Silverman: ty…. when the worm turns for these people, I certainly will relish their comeuppance

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Baud: amen, dig in on Kavanaugh. Don’t give Hardimann or Coney Barrett a shot

    I remember when Lindsey was an impeachment manager, and he ramped up his Southern accent and played the regretful warrior, duty-bound to perform that unpleasant task. What a fucking phony.

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    RSA says:


    Like Kavanaugh is gonna age well in a week or two.

    Like a fine beer.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mary G: As far as I know, they’re not related. One of the major issue with The Federalist site is that they don’t disclose who funds them. So it could be the usual suspects like the Kochs or the Mercers or it could by the Saudi or Emirati sovereign wealth fund or the People’s Republic of China or Putin. Or the Girl Scouts.

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    debbie says:


    After we scare the shit out of him in November, we then invite him to the Senate to participate in a discussion about restoring the Supreme Court to its position of eminence.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Mary G: Literally Republican PR

    Bruce Haynes is vice chairman of public affairs for Sard Verbinnen & Co., a global public relations firm. A native of South Carolina, Haynes was chief of staff to former U.S. Represenative Bob Inglis (R-SC), and former staff counsel to former Governor Carroll Campbell.

    Vande Hei may be gone from Politico, but his stench lives on.

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    Baud says:

    @debbie: And he says the only way to do that is to confirm who he picks. What then?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Ladyraxterinok: That’s a single report in The NY Times sourced to Mitch McConnell and unnamed Republican senators as sources. It may be accurate. But it may also be McConnell trying to use Information Ops to set the conditions to knuckle Flake.

    Do I believe that there are still constraints on the FBI in terms of the scope of the investigation? Yes, which is why the FBI is leaking about this like a sieve to try to change the dynamic.

    If McConnell had the votes, he’d call the vote. Until he does, everything else is noise.

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    Mary G says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Any thoughts on the disappearance of WaPo writer and Saudi critic, Jamal Khashoggi, who disappeared after last being seen going to the Saudi embassy in Ankara?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @piratedan: If I was advising the Democrats in the House and the Senate, the first thing I’m advising the members on each chambers Judiciary Committee is that despite the sturm and drang it will cause, the Federalist Society, the Judicial Crisis Network, Leonard Leo, and Leonard Leo’s other activities all need a good dose of committee investigatory sunlight as a disinfectant. Drag Leo and his operations and his funding into the sunlight and see how appealing and palatable he, them, and it are to the American people.

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    debbie says:


    Remind him he no longer has the votes and that he’ll look like a loser if he doesn’t compromise. That compromising is the only way for him to win from now on.

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    Honus says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: fuck Lindsay and his southern accent. I’ve lived in Virginia 45 years and whenever I hear a southern accent talking about honor and integrity and tradition they’re invariably justifying fucking over black people.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mary G: First I’d heard of it.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    If McConnell had the votes, he’d call the vote. Until he does, everything else is noise.

    Matthew Daly @ MatthewDalyWDC
    Murkowski appears in no hurry even as McConnell pledges to move forward with Kavanaugh vote this week. ‘He talked about a vote last week, too,’ she told AP. Collins, riding with Murkowski on the Senate subway, smiled and told Murkowski, ‘Good answer.’

    You think Murkowski remembers when she lost a primary to a Tea Bagger and the Turtle pretty much abandoned her? I think she does. Not that I have any fantasies that she’ll flip. She’s a conservative from a conservative family in a conservative state, but it’s fun to watch her tell the Turtle to go pound sand for a couple days.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Drag Leo and his operations and his funding into the sunlight and see how appealing and palatable he, them, and it are to the American people.

    These would be the same people who think Trump is a swell guy doing a great job.

    Gonna need something a bit stronger then plain old ozone filtered sunlight.

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    TenguPhule says:


    Remind him he no longer has the votes and that he’ll look like a loser if he doesn’t compromise.

    Trump doesn’t do deals with Democrats unless he expects to cheat them at it.

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    TenguPhule says:


    Like a fine beer.

    Surely you mean a fine whine?

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Adam L Silverman: IANAL but it seems to me that doofus with the CSI: Zillow case gives them a hook, and they can bring in McGahn and that other guy, Burck?, who seems to be up to his jowls in this

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    So it could be the usual suspects like the Kochs or the Mercers or it could by the Saudi or Emirati sovereign wealth fund or the People’s Republic of China or Putin. Or the Girl Scouts.

    Girls Scouts wouldn’t allow that kind of incompetence. They have strict standards.

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    Baud says:

    @debbie: But what do you want to do it he doesn’t cave? Only choice is to do what they did to Garland.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman: What about this?

    Trump’s ambassador to NATO sets off diplomatic incident with a nuclear edge

    Asked during a news conference at NATO headquarters what the United States might do about a new class of Russian missiles that appear to violate the Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces Treaty, Hutchison said, “The countermeasures would be to take out the missiles that are in development by Russia in violation of the treaty.”

    The woman only clarified her remarks nine hours later.

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    Mary G says:

    @Adam L Silverman: A Palestinian exile in Norway I follow on Twitter has been talking about it all afternoon, and WaPo put up a story.

    Not many details yet, and as you always say, some of the reporting will turn out to be wrong, but it’s pretty brash of MBS if he ordered it.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: My understanding is she’s a no vote because her Native Alaskan constituency is opposed and they put her over the top as a write in to retain her seat after she lost the primary. Flake is right now giving her cover, as well as Collins.

    McConnell’s gambit here is that he can humiliate Flake, pressure Flake, embarrass Flake and that Flake will look crestfallen and give a sad, mournful speech on the Senate floor and then vote the party line. Based on Flake’s past performance, that would be a good bet. However, given how Flake has been behaving this week, I’m not sure it is as good a bet as McConnell thinks it is.

    Finally, no matter what happens in regard to the FBI investigation and its scope, journalists are now on this story and they’re not going to let it go. Kavanaugh may well be voted on to the Supreme Court because McConnell has the barest majority to make it happen. But that won’t make the investigations go away. Kavanaugh’s life as he knows it is over.

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    James E Powell says:

    Emma Dumain, at McClatchey is doing a lot of work for Graham by calling it a scathing takedown of Democrats. First of all, it was really and unhinged paranoid hateful tirade. Recall that the entire press/media world felt that Howard Dean’s shout to his supporters showed a man too crazy to be president. But this now is a sign of some strength or virtue? Second, I’m not aware of any Democrats who were taken down nor any who are backing down.

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    debbie says:


    Not caving means no deal. Trump needs to make deals like sharks need to swim to breathe. Stand strong and wait for him to cave. If he won’t, we at least know the SC can function with eight judges. The last option should be to “Garland” his next choice. You couldn’t do a better job of justifying their cries of “Both Sides!” Far better to Resist.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @TenguPhule: I saw that. I figured since I haven’t been turned into an ash outline against the wall of my house, we’re good.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Project JEDI. No, this is not the Onion.

    At the center of it all is the Pentagon’s newly appointed Chief Information Officer, Dana Deasy, a polished and soft-spoken executive who left a retirement filled with hiking with his wife in North Carolina to plunge into one of the most controversial and highly-charged Pentagon procurements in years. In his role, he works directly with Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and top Pentagon officials, who he said are following the process closely.

    In his most extensive comments to date on the cloud contract, which could be worth as much as $10 billion over a decade, Deasy laid out his strategy for what’s known as the Joint Enterprise Defense Infrastructure (JEDI) program, and told The Washington Post during an interview at the Pentagon, “I’m here for a very specific purpose. I want to help the Defense Department put the best long-term technology in place.”

    Deasy does not have a military background and was most recently the global chief information officer at JP Morgan Chase. Even though there is tumult and contractor warfare swirling all around him, Deasy said his philosophy is to “keep pushing ahead. We are going to build the right cloud environment. I tell the team every day, ‘Just focus on that.’” He reiterated that the department is running a fair and open competition, with no favorites. An award is expected next year.

    I predict like so many other things, this will not end well at all.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I figured since I haven’t been turned into an ash outline against the wall of my house, we’re good.

    Minimal Expectations?

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    Baud says:

    @debbie: I’m confused now. If we wait for him to cave, we are Garlanding his choice. It’s unavoidable.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    journalists are now on this story and they’re not going to let it go.

    Until the next Trump disaster. Look, squirrel!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mary G: I’ve read the article. If he’s not out by tomorrow, he’s toast.

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    Martin says:

    @TenguPhule: I would hope Schumer would tell Trump that the Senate will consider any nominees Trump wants once they hold a hearing for Merrick Garland for that seat. Trump can either nominate Garland, or the supreme court will have 8 or fewer seats until 2021.

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    TenguPhule says:


    Trump needs to make deals like sharks need to swim to breathe.


    Trump needs headlines of himself “winning” and will lie brazenly about everything to get there. Remember, every “deal” he makes must give him something and take something from someone else. That’s his whole life philosophy in a nutshell.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @TenguPhule: I take my victories where I can.

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    Only choice is to do what they did to Garland.

    Some day we’ll have to admit that the die has been cast.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Martin: Requires a spine that Schumer hasn’t shown. He’s a creature of laws and regulations, not the best choice to confront a rulebreaker and law ignorer.

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    Ruhroh says:

    This twitter thread is remarkable — another friend of ol’ Bart talking about spiking drinks and being a “transporter” for the local Klan:

    This is Donald Joseph Urgo. He went to Georgetown Prep with Brett Kavanaugh.Brett Kavanaugh was accused of spiking punch with Quaaludes and Bacardi 151 to take sexual advantage of women.Urgo lists in his yearbook “Killer Qs and 151.”The FBI has been told not to investigate.— Alt. U.S. Press Sec. (@AltUSPressSec) October 1, 2018

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    khead says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    The night is young.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Major Major Major Major: And this was the result:

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    khead says:

    Having dropped my flippant comment, <a href="@Adam L Silverman: “>I agree with you

    Dude is toast. We should now get ready for the dudebro backlash. .

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    khead says:

    No, really. I need an edit button.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I think you are going to look even better and smarter in your new glasses than Governor whatzisname outta Texas with the smart goggles.

    Now Rick Perry is someone we NEVER hear about, and he’s still in the cabinet, right? (Or is he??) Who saw that coming? (I know. It’s because so many other Cabinet members are more whack and more in the public eye …)

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    oh for fuck’s sake, Hayes, nobody wants to hear from fucking Wilmer. Have him over for dinner if you feel the need to fawn over the old fool

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    Martin says:

    @TenguPhule: Rulebreaking requires support from the caucus. But yeah, I don’t generally disagree with you. That’s a kind of hardball that Democrats in general aren’t comfortable with.

    That said, I expect the Dems to constantly point out that Trump is an unindicted co-conspirator and should be disqualified from even making an appointment to the court. Garland got praise from GOP members of the Judiciary committee. I think there’s a political argument they can make there.

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    Baud says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I was just thinking he had been very quiet about Kavanaugh. When is he going to make McConnell look out the window.

    I wonder if Hayes thinks Wilmer and Michael Moore represent where he will be in 30 years.

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    @Elizabelle: Him and Ben Carson, you just never hear about.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    And this was the result:

    you are a bad person, Adam.

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    Baud says:

    This makes me happy.

    Goldberg: I have one final short question for you and asking has been—there’s been a lot of people who asked me this: Your paperback is out, what’s next for you?

    Clinton: I’m having the best time. I’m doing a lot of really interesting and new things for me.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Baud: Who is “he” in your first two sentences?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Ben Carson, you just never hear about.

    Actually Ben Carson has been fucking up HUD pretty well on the sly.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @TenguPhule: That’s just science!

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    B.B.A. says:

    @TenguPhule: Schumer suggested today that a Democratic majority would bring back the 60-vote rule for SC nominations…

    This is why I say never send a man to do a woman’s job.

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    Randalms says:

    @Baud: 67 votes to remove a justice. 50 plus one to seatt one. Come 2020 eleven is the new nine. F@&k the norms and save the country

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    @B.B.A.: I’m pretty sure that would be only to keep red state democrats from having to vote no on Trump nominees.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @B.B.A.: A sixty vote rule– in a still very hypothetical and very slim majority caucus– allows Dems to block nominations without forcing Doug Jones(2020) and people like Claire McCaskill, who I believe is very sincere if wrong in her Blue Doggishness, to take part.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Baud: That’s what I thought, but then this sentence made no sense to me:

    “When is he going to make McConnell look out the window.” Why / how could Sanders get McConnel to do anything? Sorry If I am slow on the uptake tonight.

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    Baud says:

    @Major Major Major Major:
    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Agree. And easily dispensed with if the GOP filibusters our nominees after 2020.

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    @Baud: Some folks are a little quick to scream “betrayal!” at Dems…

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    JPL says:

    @TenguPhule: That is the trump plan.

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    Baud says:


    It’s a reference to the 2016 primary.

    In other words if I’m sitting in a room with Mitch McConnell and I say, you know Mitch, I think it’s important that public colleges and universities be free and we’re going to lower interest rates on student debt and we’re going to pay for it through a tax on Wall Street speculation. Well, I kind of know what Mitch McConnell is going to say. He doesn’t think it’s a great idea.

    But if I say Mitch, take a look out the window there are a million young people who are marching, who know what’s going on, who support this legislation, who are not going to vote Republican unless you do the right thing and don’t burden them for half their lives with this outrageous [debt] then Mitch’s thinking changes on that issue. We have to change the dynamic of American politics.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Also, Oregon man stole Florida man’s crown earlier today.

    FBI agent dodges killer hot tub but is shot by booby-trapped wheelchair

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    Baud says:

    @Major Major Major Major: It’s a large part of why we are where we are today.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Some folks are a little quick to scream “betrayal!” at Dems…

    Some of us remember that Pelosi and Reid let Bush and company look forward to never looking back.

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    debbie says:


    Instead of stonewalling Trump’s nomination, we would be proposing a compromise (Garland). I don’t see those as the same thing, but okay.

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    TenguPhule says:


    It’s a large part of why we are where we are today.

    Don’t forget not making sure Nixon’s operatives died in prison. We could have avoided many disasters had they never gotten into Reagan and Bush.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @TenguPhule: I saw that.

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    TenguPhule says:


    Instead of stonewalling Trump’s nomination, we would be proposing a compromise (Garland).

    Seeing as everything Trump touches, dies. I see no reason to risk him infecting the Democrats.

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    B.B.A. says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I don’t know that if we go to 60, two years later there will be 50 votes to go back to 50. All the crap with getting Conrad and Lieberman and Nelson on board during the ACA process is coming back to me.

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    Baud says:


    I don’t play alternative history.

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    @Baud: She does seem to be genuinely enjoying herself. I’m glad.

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    Baud says:

    @B.B.A.: The caucus is more liberal now. OTOH, it’s in the minority.

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    @B.B.A.: the odds of having 50 of any kind of democrat in 2021 increase if you don’t force red-State incumbents to block a bunch of trump nominees.

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    Baud says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: It’s the closest thing to justice we have in the current environment.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    Also, McConnell can’t control this:

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    Mary G says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Left an Amazon review for the Wind Reader after I finished it. I signed up for GoodReads, but long ago and have never used it.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Adam L Silverman: he’s in Ohio, right? I hope Kasich gets his righteous on

    and before anyone feels the need to tell me, I know. I’ve had my eye on Kasich since he was the first version of Paul Ryan, but too arrogant and prickly to play Eddie Haskell for the Sunday shows. But he’s a self-righteous bantam with a chip on his shoulder and he hates trump.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Cynicism is going to be the death of us.*

    *Not aimed at you.

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    Jeffro says:


    if Kavanaugh fails on that second nomination, GOPers must try a third time. This is the precise hill they need to die on, with Kavanaugh as their very best leading man.

    I have two words for the Democratic majority: Extreme vetting.

    I have two myself: Merrick. Garland.

    I have two more: Court. Packing.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I’m reminded that Trump says his temperament is similar to when he was in 1st grade. Sounds about right.

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    eemom says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Wittes is a conservative, but he’s not a Federalist Society type. He, like all of us, has his personal and professional blind spots. And as a non-lawyer who is a legal/judicial scholar, he’s spent a lot of time interacting with these folks and developing friendships with them.

    Interesting series of non sequiturs.

    He strikes me as, at the very best, a long winded Beltway concern troll….including in his pious hand wringing drek today.


    I think that could help give cover to the more cowardly senators.

    If it accomplishes that, great. I kind of doubt it, though.

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    TenguPhule says:


    I don’t play alternative history.

    When the usual suspects keep popping up in every major government failure of the last 38 years, its a pattern.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Jesus. “Let Trump be Trump.”

    Let’s not.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    Ugh. I’m starting to suspect that this cold may actually be the flu. I tried to go back to work today and ended up having to go home early because by mid-afternoon even pseudoephedrine was not helping my urge to curl up under my desk and take a nap. 😷

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Trump is now mocking and imitating Christine Blasey Ford: “I don’t know. I don’t know. Upstairs, downstairs, I don’t know. I don’t remember.”

    Is this his “Where the WMD at?” moment?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I don’t think Kasich is going to get much traction in exacting his revenge.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    If I was advising the Democrats in the House and the Senate, the first thing I’m advising the members on each chambers Judiciary Committee is that despite the sturm and drang it will cause, the Federalist Society, the Judicial Crisis Network, Leonard Leo, and Leonard Leo’s other activities all need a good dose of committee investigatory sunlight as a disinfectant. Drag Leo and his operations and his funding into the sunlight and see how appealing and palatable he, them, and it are to the American people.

    Yes x a million or more

    Sunlight Dems, you have your orders!

    Letting these roaches run around in the dark just breeds more and bigger roaches.

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    Baud says:

    @TenguPhule: I don’t know who you’re referring to.

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    @Mary G: I saw somebody did and got so excited I emailed my editor! Thank you. You said lovely things.

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    JPL says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I just saw a clip and the audience laughed. I’m sick that we have reached such lows that this is acceptable. Is this who we are?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @MisterForkbeard: Pretty much.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Adam L Silverman: you mean a 2020 primary? Who knows. But with barely a month until mid-terms, a trump-aimed tantrum from Kasich could be mighty useful. But I’ll defer to Kay and other Buckeyes.

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    Baud says:

    @JPL: This is the audience at Trump’s rally, right?

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    TenguPhule says:


    Is this who we are?

    Its who they are.

    We’re hopefully better then them.

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    Jeffro says:


    67 votes to remove a justice. 50 plus one to seatt one. Come 2020 eleven is the new nine. F@&k the norms and save the country

    Ay-effing-men. 51 votes on everything, including increasing SCOTUS to, oh, 15 justices. Just to be sure.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @TenguPhule: I do not know. The question is whether Flake folds, which has been his normal SOP, stands fast, or just shatters under the pressure. McConnell and the President are counting on the former. But the more things like this that are done, or like the just published NY Times article with a hand written letter from Kavanaugh to his buddies where he signed it with Bart, which is reported with confirmation by one of his buddies as his nickname from when a teacher had mispronounced Brett, the more pressure there is on Flake.

    Judge Kavanaugh — nicknamed “Bart” after a Georgetown Prep teacher garbled “Brett”…

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jeffro: You do realize that I’m not actually advising the Democrats, right?//

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @JPL: It is who they are. It is who they have always been. And they will do anything and support anyone to be allowed to carry on as they always have.

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    TenguPhule says:

    John Clune, an attorney for Ramirez, said Tuesday on Twitter that his client spoke with the FBI for more than two hours Sunday in a “detailed and productive interview.” The agents “were clearly motivated to investigate the matter in any way they were permitted,” he added. But he asserted that Ramirez had provided the names and contact information of more than 20 witnesses who might be able to corroborate her allegation that Kavanaugh exposed himself to her at a party when they were at Yale, and that, as far as Clune knew, the FBI had not contacted any of them as of Tuesday.

    “Though we appreciated the agents who responded on Sunday, we have great concern that the FBI is not conducting — or not being permitted to conduct — a serious investigation,” he said.

    Attorneys for Christine Blasey Ford, the woman who said she was assaulted by Kavanaugh when they were teens and who testified to the Senate last week, wrote FBI Director Christopher A. Wray on Tuesday to say they were concerned the FBI had not sought an interview with her.

    “It is inconceivable that the FBI could conduct a thorough investigation of Dr. Ford’s allegations without interviewing her, Judge Kavanaugh, or the witnesses we have identified in our letters to you,” the lawyers wrote, demanding an immediate answer to what they said were days of silence from the FBI.

    This is perfectly Normal. Normal. Normal. //

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Baud: Thank you! As you can see, that reference flew right over my head.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I kind of doubt this even hurts them at this point–it may even help. Anyone still supporting the Republicans is not going to be repelled by Trump insulting rape victims; they probably think it’s cool. Their opposition can hardly get any more outraged or riled up, but Republicans could be more energized than they are. Throwing them some douchey red meat to turn up the heat some more might work.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    Sorry, he’s in Mississippi. Here’s the clip of him making fun of Dr. Blasey.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    You do realize that I’m not actually advising the Democrats, right?

    You need a well paying job. Democrats need to fire all their current political advisers and consultants. Its a win win.

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    Barbara says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I think there are at least six senators who do not want to vote on Kavanaugh at all and that right now there is a game of chicken between them and McConnell. It is why Kavanaugh made a point of saying he is not going to withdraw, but really if more bad stuff comes out I wager that McConnell will blink. I don’t know how it ends but I don’t think McConnell is playing from a position of strength.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Sadly, yes. The right wing propagandists tell lies about Christine Blasey Ford and their followers repeat them until they convince themselves that she is a lying liar who lies and Kavanaugh’s drunken histrionics just prove how sad he is to be falsely accused. 🙄

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    huh, Rupert not airing the Sixty Minute Hate

    Laura Rozen @ lrozen
    no one covering it, not even fox

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    JPL says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Well as efgoldman would say fuck em.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Kasich (and/or Flake, and/or ?) can try all they want, but odds are that after the midterms, Trumpov continues to limp along his own mad self, possibly to the 2020 nom, possibly not, but almost certainly causing the much-delayed GOP civil war along the way.

    My bet is that he is not the Republican nominee in 2020, personally. He’ll do whatever it takes to try and salvage his “fortune”, since it’s all that really matters to him. But Kasich, Flake, and the other “moderates” can’t hold a candle to whomever will be waiting in the wings (Cotton, Ernst, Trump Jr) to harness that white resentment one more time.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: I recorded Murphy Brown, but I had extremely low expectations, figuring I would likely watch that one episode and then cancel the season pass. It was way better than I expected and I did enjoy Hillary’s cameo. If outward appearances mean anything, she seems to have come to terms with it way better than I have!

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    danielx says:

    Kavanaugh does seem to be bring out teh crazy in all kinds of ways; he has become a hero to the ‘incel’ people. I can’t really call that group a community or movement, since their common thread seems to be that they are too repulsive to get laid and IT IS SOCIETY’S FAULT.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Suuuuuure you aren’t…

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    Baud says:

    @WaterGirl: Better than me too. She really is an amazingly strong woman.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Matt McIrvin: The question is what effect it has on Flake. He’s where all the action is right now.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Un-fucking-believable. Except that it’s not. Oh my god, he is openly mocking a very credible woman accusing a very prominent man of sexual assault; he thinks it’s funny. Just like the reporter who never things. My god, this man truly disrespects and hates women. All day, every day.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Does Kavanaugh get staggeringly drunk nowadays? Doubt it. Does he get aggressive and belligerent now? He was certainly rather animated last week, but wouldn’t you be, too, if your character were suddenly scrutinized for hours in a public forum?

    I’ve interviewed more than a dozen women who have known and worked with Kavanaugh in the grown-up world. Without exception, they love and admire him as a gentleman — compassionate, thoughtful and honest. Speaking of which, by what distortion of virtue does a man such as Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), who lied about serving in Vietnam, get to challenge another’s honesty?

    I’ve written this before — in a book prematurely titled “Save the Males” — but hating men, and specifically old, white men (OWM), is both trite and counterintuitive. The justification seems connected to some sort of retributive justice combined with concerns that OWM want to restore the 1950s. (I would support this only if it meant continuous reruns of “Queen for a Day.”) Meanwhile, they conveniently forget that OWM created the Constitution, the three branches of government, and the ideas of due process and the rule of law.

    Americans shouldn’t suffer from the delusion that the attempted ruin of Kavanaugh, his career and family has solely to do with Christine Blasey Ford. And the fact that she sincerely believes what she remembers does not without evidence diminish Kavanaugh’s sincere denial of wrongdoing.

    Kathleen Parker decides she’ll go all in on supporting RapeyMcRapeface.

    The attempted ruin of Kavanaugh is about more than Ford’s allegations

    “he is the real victim here! how dare the democrats try to destroy this man among men!”

    I have to wonder what dirt Trump has on her.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Matt McIrvin: Of course those people are lost. They aren’t who we are looking to persuade. We want the people who couldn’t be bothered, the people who didn’t thinking voting made a difference. We need to show them that it does. Talking about reclaiming Trump rally people is a red herring.

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    danielx says:


    This surprises me not at all.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @WaterGirl: Thinks, not things. Argh!

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    Jeffro says:

    @Adam L Silverman: “A man’s life is in tatters. A man’s life is shattered.” – DJT

    Yes…he has been treated…well, wouldn’t you almost have to say unfairly, Donald?? That’s probably the best word to describe it, isn’t it?

    It’s not even textbook-worthy, it’s so obvious, this guy.

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    danielx says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Go on, we know you’re cashing those sweet Soros checks every week.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @TenguPhule: @Jeffro: I was providing informal nat-sec advising for someone running for a Democratic senate nomination. That candidate did not win their primary. I had disclosed this to Cole at the time and told him if this candidate had won the nomination, and as a result the relationship was firmed up, that provided I wasn’t asked to sign an NDA, I would disclose it. If I was asked to sign an NDA I would simply not write about that candidate on the front page or comment about that candidate in the comments.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @JPL: I would rather be involuntarily celibate than do that.

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    hueyplong says:

    Looking again at the thread title (Lindsay Graham Is Giving His Voters What They Want) calls to mind the fact that, once upon a time, hard core southerners were wont to say they didn’t care for rapey Yankees.

    Even a-hole Confederates are worse now. There is no floor.

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    @WaterGirl: We recorded and watched that too. I thought Clinton was bold to do that cameo. Good on her.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jeffro: Tucker Carlson: Make America Glower Again!!!!!

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    Honus says:

    @Martin: this. Absolutely this. And everybody will understand the fairness.

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    Jeffro says:

    @TenguPhule: I doubt anyone has (or at least, is using) any dirt on her…this is just her responsive “I know this guy and have met him and hung out with him multiple times and he’s got a great wife and kids and this is just too terrible for me to think about so I’m JUST GOING TO BLOT IT OUT AND TRY TO MAKE IT GO AWAY!!!”

    Kathleen, one of them is lying: who? Make a decision. Don’t blame the Democrats, don’t blame Hillary, don’t get silly – you saw Dr. Ford get up there in front of a worldwide audience and describe her sexual assault at the hands of Brett Kavanaugh. BK denied it. One of them is lying: who?

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    Mary G says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Ratings must be down. He says pretty much the same lines every time, as evidenced by Daniel Dale’s tweets. Throw in one current thing, like Dr. Blasey Ford and the rest is all the Electoral College, Lock Her Up, The Economy is the Best Evah,” yada yada yada.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @WaterGirl: Yep.

    On behalf of those of us with Y chromosome defect, please accept my sincere apologies.

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    Barbara says:

    @TenguPhule: She probably belongs to the same country club as Kavanaugh and his parents. Nothing would surprise me.

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    Baud says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: I wasn’t interested, but now I’ll have to watch it.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Daniel Dale is taking the night off, but…

    Brian Tashman @ briantashman
    36m36 minutes ago
    Trump’s now complaining about how the media covered his inauguration’s crowd size!

    39m39 minutes ago
    Trump is now talking about ………… Roseanne

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    @Mnemosyne: I’m just coming off a real nasty cold myself. Hang in there!

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    debbie says:


    Engaging in the same crap gets us nowhere.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @danielx: That guy never sends a check. Not even at Hanukah!

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    WaterGirl says:

    @eemom: I am thinking back to canvassing for Barack Obama in the final weeks before the Iowa caucus in the first week of January.

    You might be surprised by how big an impact Andrew Sullivan’s big article in support of Barack Obama had. People who were squishy – maybe they liked Barack but it seemed like a bridge too far…. it wasn’t once Andrew Sullivan came out for Barack. Hoping that happens here, too.

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    MagdaInBlack says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    There just is no bottom to this man.
    I am horrified at this.

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    Honus says:

    @Major Major Major Major: and that’s ok. That’s smart politics.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Purim?

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    debbie says:


    More like the mocking the disabled reporter moment.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Not even TuBishvat.

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    @Baud: It had a few good moments (my favorite being a moment when the young social media guy and Miles disagree completely on whether it’s good or bad to feed a troll), but I’m afraid it’s not aimed at the young demographic sponsors love.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Mary G: @Dorothy A. Winsor: That was really a great review! Great job, Mary G!

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    B.B.A. says:

    @Adam L Silverman: For the past few days, my default thought pattern has been BURN IT ALL DOWN KILL KILL KILL KILL

    and just when I think maybe I’m overreacting a little, this happens.

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    JPL says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Oh my .. What would Lindsay say.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Holy shit. That was 10x worse than I pictured after reading the words he had spoken. Wow.

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    FelonyGovt says:

    Trump says it’s a scary time for young men.

    They’re really doubling down on the misogyny. That won’t play well with those suburban women.

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    B.B.A. says:

    @Adam L Silverman: well, to be fair, for that one it’s standard to get a sapling instead.

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    Baud says:

    @WaterGirl: That’s horrifying.

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    @B.B.A.: My default has been nothing matters. They don’t care. They are, as they say, going to plow on through. So I’m really glad to see people here with some hope. It makes me feel better.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Thanks! The combination of the Kavanaugh stuff and being sick is making me a tad grumpy, as you found out earlier today. 🤒

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @B.B.A.: I understand.

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    ruemara says:

    @piratedan: they may be able to hamstring justice for a moment, but they will never shut their eyes peacefully on American soil again.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: hillary@youcouldahadme… Living well is the best revenge.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @WaterGirl: The audio-visual extravaganza is always worse than the transcript. And the transcripts are really bad.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @B.B.A.: My fucking tree died…//

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    frosty says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Kavanaugh’s life as he knows it is over.

    This is as good a definition of “Everything Trump touches turns to shit” as any. Manafort, Cohen, Flynn, Gates, etc. etc. They had a nice little grifting life and Trump fucked it all up by turning the spotlight on them.

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    trollhattan says:

    Lee Atwater’s ghost simply won’t leave the premises.

    “Political correctness” is the new N-word.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    I do think they’re going to manage to force it through and put him on the court, with Pence casting the tie vote.

    But I also think that the genie is out of the bottle now and more recent accusations are going to start bubbling up. People like Kathleen Parker are doing desperate damage control to prevent that from happening, but once the dam breaks, there’s no holding back the water.

    At this point, my wish is that the SC goes back down to 8 justices because Kavanaugh ends up serving a prison term and the Republicans still refuse to vote to impeach him.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @FelonyGovt: Fixed it for you.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Um, Adam, it doesn’t matter, since they’re all playing on the same team: The Global Oligarchy Putsch. Loot the rich countries’ treasuries & taxpayers & move capital out at the speed of light while the proles are trapped within their borders with no one to blame but Those Others

    Srsly, it all makes sense once you realize that to the Kochroaches & Mercers & Adelsons, Vlad the Paler is just one of them, doin’ de Lawd’s work by wrecking those eebil gummints that might be able to stand up to them. By the time they realize that a bazillionaire with nuclear weapons, nerve gas & assassination squads is a qualitatively different sort of oligarch, it’ll be too fucking late for them. Or us, probably…

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    @Mnemosyne: I also completely understand how patience can run short on such triggering topics. No worries. Feel better. The worst part for me was the cough! Ugh.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Baud: I believed in Barack and fervently believed it was my job to get him past Iowa so others would believe, too.

    Whatever works, even if it was Andrew Sullivan.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Please don’t give in to that. People have been in worse positions and fought on. You and I are reasonably privileged white people. People like lamh and rikyrah aren’t throwing in the towel. Why should we?

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    Baud says:

    @WaterGirl: I agree with the sentiment. I’m still going to shudder at his influence.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I seldom actually watch him, except for on the late night shows.

    I thought that was a throwaway, off-the-cuff line. But no, he was revving up the crowd with it, and he went on and on.

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    TenguPhule says:


    Engaging in the same crap gets us nowhere.

    Sometimes the only way to fight a dumpster fire is to use an even bigger fire to smother it.

    The time to go high is over. Low it is. To the knife, if it comes to that.

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    JWL says:

    If Graham did give the people of South Carolina what they wanted to see, then South Carolinians wanted to see a Vivian Leigh impersonator throw an hysterical public snit as he spit incoherent gibberish and invective…

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Baud: Co-sign.

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    TS (the original) says:


    He is a crook

    And he scammed the American, media, the GOP and the American people more than any Nigerian scammer could have dreamed about

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Baud: Hopefully his influence can be referred to in the past tense.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @WaterGirl: Yep.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @TenguPhule: You talk a lot.

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    B.B.A. says:

    @Adam L Silverman: at least you got one. All I have is a card saying a tree was planted in my name by the Human Fund.

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    Mike in DC says:

    If they lose the Senate I hope Trump blames Mitch for it. I also hope we find a Beto-type candidate for KY in 2020.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    from Rachel Maddow : New York State tax authorities reviewing NYT story.

    Maybe trump’s brother and sisters will flip.

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    WaterGirl says:

    Goodnight, all. My laptop is at 5% battery; time for me to close the laptop for the night.

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    @Omnes Omnibus: I totally get that. And believe me, I’m not giving up.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @MagdaInBlack: That was payback to Avenatti, he doubled down this afternoon with another accuser.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    People have been in worse positions and fought on.

    For the record, few of those had happy endings for those in the crosshairs.

    Those of us lower on the pigment chart have BEEN HERE before. And its not comforting to be told “well we survived it last time”. Because those of us who are not white are thinking “What is this ‘we’ thing, Kimosabe?”.

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    Martin says:

    @MagdaInBlack: Just to try and set a different perspective on that. Most women that are raped by men enjoy having sex with men. That doesn’t mean any of them enjoy being raped. Some women surely enjoy having sex with multiple men. That doesn’t mean any of them enjoy being raped by multiple men.

    Swetnicks sexual preferences are irrelevant. Hatch wants people to defend his accusation against her. It doesn’t matter. Don’t let him set the rules here.

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    YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S) says:

    @Adam L Silverman: What, direct deposit is not good enough for you?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: That way you know I’m still blowing off steam. When I stop talking, worry.

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    MagdaInBlack says:

    Probably not a good time to be ‘spainin’ things to me.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S): They don’t do EFT either.

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    Martin says:

    @MagdaInBlack: Fair. I don’t know anything about you. But so far every take I’ve seen on that story elsewhere was focused on litigating her sexuality – including her defenders. It’s driving me crazy.

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    Mike in DC says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Hope his vetting has improved. Swetnick changed details of her story, and her 4 corroborating witnesses to this point were either dead(1), didn’t remember her(1) or could not be reached(2).

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    I don’t think the FBI is going to be done tomorrow…

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @TenguPhule: In that particular context, I wasn’t talking to you. Context matters.

    @TenguPhule: In this one, I tend to assume that I will keep hearing from you.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I apologize. I’m taking shit out on you and its not your fault.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Yeah, really. Who fed that story to the Wall Street Journal? Or did they make it up??

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mike in DC: I saw the interview.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Elizabelle: It was The NY Times and the only named source was McConnell.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @TenguPhule: Cool.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Adam L Silverman: They only interviewed the initial 4? Not the other witnesses named? Not the people disputing Kavanaugh’s descriptions of his behavior? Not the character witnesses or other accusers?

    Yeah, the fix was definitely in.

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    L85NJGT says:

    Trump’s is in Mississippi doing GOTV – they are already dead on the hill.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @MisterForkbeard: It was in/was attempted to be in. It is very unclear how constrained or unconstrained the investigation is.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Adam L Silverman: He is such a fucker, isn’t he?

    Mitch McConnell needs to go to prison. Government housing for this thief.

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    RedDirtGirl says:

    Jason Kander stepped out of his mayoral race, citing PTSD. Wow.

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    Spanky says:


    There just is no bottom to this man.

    What do you mean? You can see that ass from space.

    And his bottom, too.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Oh, so that earlier report was like Mueller being done by the end of September? I hope so.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Alaska Public Media reporter

    Liz Ruskin @ lruskin
    Sen. @lisamurkowski says the volume of calls from Alaskans on Kavanaugh is unprecedented. Deluge is larger than before the health care vote. “All the voicemail boxes are are literally filled within the first hour,” she says.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Elizabelle: No argument at all!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @zhena gogolia: It is thinly sourced. My take was it was McConnell trying to do information ops to shape the environment to force Flake to fold.

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    Spanky says:

    @Adam L Silverman: This is my shocked face.


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    Mnemosyne says:


    I’m on the Let America Vote email list and he said that he’s been struggling with suicidal ideation as a result of the PTSD and needs to step away so he can get treatment. I’m sad for him, but I hope his treatment is successful and he’s able to come back to the fight. He’s a good egg.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Susan Hennessey @ Susan_Hennessey
    One of the pivotal and defining moments of 2016. McConnell really hasn’t gotten his due as a central villain in the Russia plot to undermine the US election, but I’d guess history books will correct that over the long term.

    Seems like just yesterday, though I think it was five years ago, all the great minds of the Beltway told me that gridlock in Washington was due to the fact that Barack Obama refused to have Mitch McConnell to the White House living quarters for a drink.

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    tobie says:

    @MisterForkbeard: That was my question, too. Only four initial interviews? Kinda scary when you think of the time wasted between Friday and today.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @RedDirtGirl: I hope he does what he needs to do to get well and comes back to the fight. Most importantly, I hope he does what he needs to do to get well.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Let me guess, leaked by FBI sources pissed off that they’re potentially being made the fall guys in this clusterfuck?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Here too, if I was advising the Democrats in the Senate, I would recommend that if they retake the majority, that they invoke the Senate’s own rules about senators determining who is and is not fit to be seated as a senator in any given Congress and bring a motion to expel McConnell from the chamber because of this.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @dmsilev: That would be my guess.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Adam L Silverman: or at the very least, call him as a witness in the public hearings about Russia

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    khead says:


    The Venn diagram of the folks who say “If you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about” and “It is terrifying that at ANY time, ANY girl can make up ANY story about ANY boy and COMPLETELY ruin his life” is one circle.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    You mean, The Tertle lied?!!?! And he looked like such an honest man! How can we ever believe anyone ever ever again? Oh, woe is upon us! (Wails. Gnashes teeth. Rends garments in despair.)

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    Mary G says:

    @Adam L Silverman: We can only dream. I want the Democratic Congress to pass a law making 501(c)(4)s publish their sources like any other charity. This ‘infringes on freedom of speech if I can’t give money without it being anonymous’ is stupid. Same with shell companies buying and selling real estate.

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    different-church-lady says:

    Ah yes. I remember the days when a nominee had to withdraw in shame because they hired non-documented domestic help…

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: So, she’s a yes then?

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    TS (the original) says:

    @MagdaInBlack: And they wonder why women never report being sexually abused/raped. Old white men attacking women for the sins they committed in their youth.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @different-church-lady: Cynicism is fun and ever so helpful.

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    Mary G says:

    This weasel:

    It’s important to talk about mental health like all other health. When people like former Secretary of State Kander are willing to do so, it moves the entire discussion in the right direction.— Senator Roy Blunt (@RoyBlunt) October 2, 2018

    You can talk about it, but I voted Yes to gut the ACA so the question is, how are you going to pay for it.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Who’s having fun?

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @WaterGirl: I get the feeling Sullivan himself is gearing up to go all in for Trump in 2020. More in sorrow than in anger, etc., but the mean feminists just went too far and there are foreigners everywhere he looks…

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @different-church-lady: my complete uninformed speculation: Murkowski wants to vote no but doesn’t want to be the one to take K down; Collins wants to get to yes but is terrified of that $1.7M (last I checked) pledged against her; Flake wishes there were a proper Shakespeare to appropriate chronicle his noble angst, and he has to settle for McKay Coppins.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Adam L Silverman: @Amir Khalid: Hasn’t this essentially been out there – maybe not ‘common’ knowledge, but certainly known – since about June 2017?

    “The Apprentice” looks like a good book, but nothing terribly new that most of us haven’t known/been following/been freaking out about since, oh, spring of 2015?

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    TS (the original) says:


    Some women surely enjoy having sex with multiple men

    You might want to phrase this differently. There would probably less than 1% of women under 40 today (excluding virgins) who have only ever had sex with one man. You could probably say under 70 and that would still hold. Whether women have sex with multiple men is irrelevent as is whether they “enjoy” it. Women have relationships – as do men. Many such relationships are intimate. This has NOTHING to do with whether being raped/attacked has any type of correlation with the prior sexual activity of a woman. There is NO correlation. It is not something that should ever be discussed by OLD WHITE MEN in their privileged role as US senators.

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    Barbara says:

    @Matt McIrvin: Maybe he should step away from his mirror for a few minutes.

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    eemom says:


    I remember the days when a nominee had to withdraw in shame because they hired non-documented domestic help…

    Or toked on a joint. Nobody ever even ASKED poor old Douglas Ginsburg if he smoked enough to black out.

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    B.B.A. says:

    @Barbara: That wouldn’t be very Burkean or Oakeshottian.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @TS (the original):

    There’s also the fact that it’s quite common for survivors of sexual assault to act out sexually as a way to try and feel in control of their bodies again, so it is not in the least incompatible with her allegations for her to also have a checked sexual past where she tried to cope with her trauma.

    Also, I think what Martin was delicately trying to say was that she’s being accused of being a slut for having multiple partners at the same time, not just, like, more than one partner ever.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @different-church-lady: Do you want to play this as a game? You knew what my point was. Agree or disagree, but don’t be willfully obtuse.

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    Gretchen says:

    This is small, but I notice that none of the Trump guys wears a wedding ring, and neither does Kavanaugh. It’s like they don’t want those women’s thinking they’re important or anything. To be sure, my husband doesn’t now since it’s too small, but he did the first 20 years or so.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jeffro: What had been reported was that he told Obama that he’d politicize it rather than join a bipartisan pushback with Obama. What had not been previously reported was that when DCI Brennan briefed him as Senate Majority Leader he threatened Brennan in order to get Brennan to not go public.

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    Calouste says:

    @Martin: In this context, you should ask a conservative if they give to charity. If they say yes, tell them that as they like giving away money, they shouldn’t have an objection to being taxed.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Games are fun.


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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Gretchen: My dad has been married to my mom for 54 years. He has never worn a ring. I didn’t wear one when I was married.
    Rings feel weird on my hand. Sometimes, my ex didn’t wear hers; I didn’t care.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @different-church-lady: You are playing one now. Have a good night,

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    J R in WV says:

    So. I spent several hours doing phone calls this afternoon and evening, 4 to 7 roughly.

    We use some web based slick laptop based tool which does the dialing, and a cell phone connected to the laptop, with a headset. When a number is successfully dialed, you get a name to ask for, and a script for the candidate.

    The first hour I got wrong numbers and hangups. The second hour I got mostly Republicans. I think all the people/numbers were registered voters. After around 5:30 I started getting mostly Democrats, in between the hangups and wrong numbers – of which there were a ton. Think about it – if you get a new phone number, do you first thing update your voter’s registration data? Of course not, no one ever updates that unless they move to a new precinct!

    I got quite a number of people who were going to vote Democratic, and specifically for the candidate I was calling for, my congressional district Democratic candidate, US Army Airborne Major (ret.) Richard Ojeda. One Republican (who claimed to be a lifelong Dem) told me “Have you seen that guy? He’s a loose Cannon!” but of course he’s actually a US Army Airborne Major (ret.) trained in forceful projection and blowing things up and killing people, which is somewhat hard for some people to accept as a mien for a politician. I used it as “He won’t be intimidated by DC politicians!” which seemed to work for some folks.

    One lady told me her husband was going door-to-door for Ojeda as we talked. Another told me that she and her husband would be voting for him, her daughter and son-in-law would be voting for him, and her son and daughter-in-law would be voting for him – Six with one phone call… Sweet!!!

    One guy, claimed to be another life-long dem asked me, “Is he in favor of Trump?!” and I said “Of course not, he’s a Democrat!” Then he asked “I suppose he’s against Kavanaugh as well?” and I said, “Well, probably, Kavanaugh perjured himself on live TV all afternoon!” and hung up on him – for a Republican contact that was pretty funny.

    While the first hour or 90 minutes were pretty bad, the last part was pretty good. I told the professional organizer that I thought the first group of people we talked to were not working, and thus were all Republicans. The last group that we talked to were people getting home from work, and were hence all Democrats, hard working folks. That got me a laugh. All the teachers I talked to were Ojeda boosters, as he IS a teacher and supported the “work stoppage” last school year for a wage increase and budget improvement for school material like books and such.

    This was my second afternoon of this election cycle. The new dialer software was better than last cycle’s tool set. I don’t know if it means anything, but around here ALL the signs are Ojeda signs. The Republican candidate is from Huntington, the western edge of the district, while Ojeda is from very near the office I was calling from.

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    Misterpuff says:

    @Jeffro: There’s Drumpf ripping off Mick Jagger again.

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    Aleta says:

    @different-church-lady: I’d almost forgotten. Now whole towns are dependent on undocumented immigrants — tree work, yards, dairy farming, chicken processing. Esquire has an article about Nunes and his unpublicized Iowa farm.

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