Kavanaught the Diligent & His GOP Defenders

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When Kavanaugh was first announced as Trump’s personal SCOTUS pick, I assumed he was just another extremely average Repub apparatchik who’d spent his career trying to rise through unswerving allegiance where his natural advantages and top-tier upbringing had failed. What we knew then of his history — writing pornographic searches for Ken Starr, helping orchestrate the Brooks Brothers riot to put Dubya in the White House, assisting the Cheney regency in crafting legalistic justifications for torture — could just have been careerism, not ideology. Of course, those actions still would’ve made him no more eligible for a slot on the Supreme Court than I am, but at least he could’ve passed for A Good Man, under sufficiently relaxed circumstances…

Guess I should’ve trusted professional GOP operative Rick Wilson: Everything Trump touches dies.

And it looks like the Repubs are going all in on sending the remaining shreds of their credibility down the crapper along with Kavanaugh’s reputation.

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93 replies
  1. 1
    Chetan Murthy says:

    Yet again, I am thankful that the female Democratic Senators insisted that Al Franken had to resign. There’s literally not even a -peep- of “whatabout” to be heard.

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    @Chetan Murthy: There actually was something on my Facebook timeline, from a diehard Republican, about Democratic double standards. I threw Franken on the comments and haven’t heard any more.

    The faithful will whatabout anything.

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    NotMax says:

    Scalia’s seat was deliberately held open by Grassley and McConnell for over 400 days.

    293 days.

    Arithmetic ain’t that hard.

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    Aleta says:

    Another account of Brett’s interests, omitted from the list about coaching girls’ basketball, church and baseball: https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/i-knew-brett-kavanaugh-during-his-years-republican-operative-don-ncna907391

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    Aleta says:

    @Aleta:

    Both Ted and Brett had what one could only be called an unhealthy obsession with the Clintons — especially Hillary. While Ted was pushing through the Arkansas Project conspiracy theories claiming that Clinton White House lawyer and Hillary friend Vincent Foster was murdered (he committed suicide), Brett was costing taxpayers millions by pedaling the same garbage at Starr’s office.

    A detailed analysis of Kavanaugh’s own notes from the Starr Investigation reveals he was cherry-picking random bits of information from the Starr investigation — as well as the multiple previous investigations — attempting vainly to legitimize wild right-wing conspiracies. For years he chased down each one of them without regard to the emotional cost to Foster’s family and friends, or even common decency.

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    eemom says:

    imvho. 🙄

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    hitchhiker says:

    kav’s glorious career included:

    1. clerking for Kosinski, who was recently forced to resign over sexual harassment issues and was Kav’s mentor and most important professional influence
    2. working on the Starr team, where his jobs included inventing sexual tales about the first lady, harassing the family of a suicide victim, leaking salacious and false information to the press, and authoring soft porn involving a 24-yr-old woman
    3. working in the W white house, where he got to help make sure torture was a thing.

    THIS is the best, brightest, most morally upright person they have? THIS is their first choice? He seems like a creepster right from the jump.

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    randy khan says:

    @NotMax:

    Scalia died on February 13, 2016. Gorsuch was sworn in on April 10, 2017. So the seat was open for 411 days (since 2016 was a leap year). I assume that’s the reference. It’s probably not how I would count – I’d probably stop on January 20, 2017, which would be 342 days – but it’s not unreasonable.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @hitchhiker:

    He seems like a creepster right from the jump.

    This may seem like a weird take, but my fraternity would not have taken him. I am a year older than him, and, in the rush process, some people just came off as skeevy. He fits that bill.

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    NotMax says:

    @randy khan

    The nomination expired along with the 114th Congress, on January 3rd. There is no if and or but about it. Also, the count has to begin from the date of Garland’s nomination, not the date of Scalia’s death. McConnell cannot “hold open” a seat for which there is not yet a nominee.

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    HumboldtBlue says:

    I’m waiting for someone to pull a knife.

    Chez Les Ye-ye

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    Kay says:

    @hitchhiker:

    It’s a political patronage job. They’re rewarding a good and loyal operative. Also- he’s dishonest so he’ll fit right in.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @hitchhiker:
    That’s probably because the R’s in Congress and the conservative movement in general are creepers themselves to varying degrees. That, and extremely authoritarian and corrupt.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    So, guess what? Those absentee ballots applications that the Ohio Sec State mailed out to all of the registered voters? They fucked up one of the digits for the zip code in the address to my County Board of Elections. I read all about it in the local paper and elections board officials are having to stop at the downtown post office and pick up the mailed applications. I’m so pissed.

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    Kay says:

    @eemom:

    It is good. It’s really unfair for media people to be smearing juvenile delinquents like this. The vast majority of them aren’t violent. They’re reckless but it’s mostly petty theft, substance abuse, vandalism or infractions based on their status as juveniles. Assault is illegal no matter your age. Equating recklessness – where they mostly harm themselves- with what was described as a planned assault is just grossly inaccurate. They’re wrong. Kavanaugh would be in a different tier even as a juvenile. He wouldn’t be in the shoplifter, bike theft, chronic truants, breaking windows group. He’d be in the group who go to a secure facility.

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    dm says:

    I’ve been wondering if, when the Democrats get control of Congress next (Presidency, too, suppose), they should do the opposite of packing the court — instead of adding justices, remove them, in order of seniority.

    The Supreme Court could function perfectly well with only seven justices.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Kay:

    And I’m sure I don’t have to tell you how fucking horrifying it is that being appointed a justice of the US Supreme Court is just another patronage job in Trump’s America.

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    TS (the original) says:

    I was about to post this on the last thread & found myself talking to myself
    @Kent: She (Dr. Blasey Ford) can pick her show, her pundit – no-one is going to knock back the opportunity to have her on their show. But as everyone is saying – it is her choice – and that is one thing that the republicans who are attacking her – have no say in. When and where she talks to the media is her choice, IF she talks to the senators is also her choice. At the minute, she has the right to choose – so there is a small sliver of positive in what has happened.

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @dm: Packing requires the same margins in the Senate as subtracting (impeaching), right? But adding 4 justices is as easy as adding 2, right? I mean, go into MS Word and change that digit in the bill. Whereas, running impeachment trials ….. that’s gonna take precious time in the calendar. Gotta husband those days and hours for legislation.

    So even if (na ga ha pen) we had a veto-proof majority in the Senate, it would *still* make sense to add justices, rather than impeach ’em. Or at least, so it seems to me. But hey, IANAL.

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    NotMax says:

    @dm

    Outside of retirement, resignation or death, impeachment is the only mechanism for removal. Seniority (or lack thereof) is not grounds for impeachment.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Mnemosyne:
    Isn’t authoritarian minority rule just swell? A Trump supporter came through my line today. He was even wearing some Trump 2020 “Keep America Great” hat.

    I glanced at it and might have let my face slip a bit while I was ringing him out and he picked up on it. I forget what he said at first; something about America having a new president and not Hillary or something. I said “yeah”. As he was leaving, I told him to have a nice day and he replied in a real passive aggressive way that it was “blessed day” or some shit. Oh and that you should stand for the flag and only kneel when you’re praying. Real piece of work.

    He took advantage of the fact that I couldn’t say anything back since I was on the clock.

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    The Dangerman says:

    @HumboldtBlue:

    I’m waiting for someone to pull a knife.

    Which reminds me, I heard rumor that Police up there might be near an arrest for David Josiah Lawson; fingers crossed and hope they nail the SOB. I was up there at the time (I was managing a Project up there for about a year; no, not growing anything green and leafy) and can’t believe it’s taken this long. What a sad, sad case.

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    The Dangerman says:

    Crud, no edit. Lawson murder.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @NotMax:
    How well are Supreme Court justices protected nowadays? I seem to recall a story of a justice jogging in a park or something and getting mugged.

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷: This is part of why you have unions. So that you can “work to rule” on goat-fuckers like that. And the union will have your back, make sure you don’t get fired for it.

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    wjs says:

    @Kay: Just to take the point further – if it’s a teenager and they have white skin, it’s a youthful indiscretion and likely just probation. If it’s anyone a hue darker than that, they deserved to get shot and prison is where they belong.

    I believe that they are doing whatever they can to keep Kavanaugh away from the FBI because he has already lied during his background check. There is likely some piece of evidence out there that is being held back until he has to talk to the FBI, and that’s what we’re waiting for. The behavior of the people trying to push this through is really infuriating.

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷: Uh, two thoughts:

    (1) from the Manafort EDVA trial, I learned that even federal district judges have security details. So one presumes the same of SCOTUS.

    (2) dude, you shouldn’t write such things on a blog, eh? This shit is permanent. I’m just sayin’.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷: You don’t want to go there.

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    Mandalay says:

    @Chetan Murthy:

    I am thankful that the female Democratic Senators insisted that Al Franken had to resign. There’s literally not even a -peep- of “whatabout” to be heard.

    That’s true, and it certainly gives Democrats the moral high ground now. But with respect to Kavanaugh’s appointment the reality is that if the Republicans still want to give him the job they can’t be stopped.

    Also, as a point of record, there were plenty of male Democratic senators (most notably Chuck Schumer) calling on Franken to resign; Franken’s reluctant departure was not solely due to women asking him to go.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Chetan Murthy:
    I probably won’t be. The guy was just some blowhard dork.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    I’m not suggesting that. I was just curious

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    HumboldtBlue says:

    @The Dangerman:

    I have heard of no new development.

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I kept waiting for her to pull a sniper rifle from her skirt!

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷: Well, what I mean is, with a decent union, you could have checked him out …. just as slowly as you possibly could, and there’d have been nothing he (or your mgmt) could do about it. That’s what “work to rule” means — dot every i, cross every t, and make the fucker pay with his time.

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    Starfish says:

    In a thread about sexual assault, can we quit quoting Eugene Gu and just cancel him forever?

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Chetan Murthy:
    Eh, it was an express lane and he only had a few items. Besides, I wouldn’t want to punish the people behind him

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    Buddy, I’ve said way worse in the past and haven’t heard a peep. I think the SS has bigger fish to fry to be frank.

    I was genuinely curious because I could have sworn I heard that story about the SC justice getting mugged.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷: Buddy? Don’t ever do that ever again.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷:

    I’ve said way worse in the past

    Pretty sure that’s not something to brag about.

    You should listen to Omnes.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @WaterGirl: He just called me Buddy. I can’t even. And I am being kind.

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    Jay says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷:

    Souter was jumped and beaten while jogging, not robbed.

    Ginsburg had her purse snatched.

    Breyer was robbed twice, once on Vacation in the Carribean by a machete weilding robber, house was burgled.

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    Tenar Arha says:

    I’m not good at this kind of thing but I’ve now got this running through my head bc those evil GOP bastards on the Judiciary are determined to approve him, and the end of the SJC as worthy of even a modicum of respect as an arbiter of law will be complete.

    We’re going to have:
    Thomas the Creep
    Goresuch the Thief
    Kavanaugh the Rapist

    The dark humor jokes, then write themselves, but I’m too angry to find a punchline right now. Here, enjoy.
    The Judicial Illegitimates walk into a bar…

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    Mike J says:

    Huh. Hadn’t heard before that K’s mom was the state prosecutor at the time of the rape. Not something that would make somebody rush to report a crime.

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    Redshift says:

    I wouldn’t want our side to have a propaganda outlet masquerading as a news network, but damn, I wish someone had been putting out some of this information about Kavanaugh sooner. I heard about him working for Starr, which was bad on an intellectual level, but the public really needed to hear about the scummy stuff like the Vince Foster rumor-mongering.

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    jl says:

    Didn’t Kavanaugh give an unequivocal and categorical denial to the charge of violent sexual assault at the hearing? Whether under oath or not, that should disqualify him. Unless he committed several assaults and assorted harassments and wasn’t sure which one he was asked about. I guess that would be an out “Oh, I thought you were talking about the time I was passing out drunk and the girl thought I was coping a feel when I was just trying to stop from falling down.” Probably some GOPer war room working on something like that now.

    Apparently this schmuck has already committed perjury about knowingly receiving stolen documents and using them. GOP don’t care about that, why should they care about a violent assault. Both point to the same thing: an immoral ruthless character that does not belong in any court, except as a defendant.

    If Harris has something definite about improper contacts and conversations regarding Mueller investigation, that is more perjury. But, why should that matter. Looks like the GOP will really try to push this through, but at least the crook will be legitimately impeachable if Democrats can get large enough majorities in both chambers.

    One thing that makes sense is that Trump is really a big fan of this thug.

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    sukabi says:

    @NotMax: is the 400 the number of days since he croaked and 293 from the actual nomination? Seems like it took a bit for Obama to decide on / vet Garland.

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    jl says:

    @sukabi: The exact number of days doesn’t matter. Obama and his staff actually took their jobs seriously, and produced a good nominee. One that was too conservative on some issues for my taste, but a person who would be a reasonable justice. There was plenty of time to confirm Garland. GOP wouldn’t even start hearings.

    A rogue and corrupt SCOTUS, which is exactly what it would be with Gorsuch and Kavanaugh on it will be chronic long term Constitutional crisis. I know some hear will say nothing can be done, but if it turns out as bad as it looks, extreme, but very Constitutional measures are available. Appoint another justice or two (court packing accusations can go to hell). Real grounds for impeachment conviction and removal of Kavanaugh. And I believe that Congress can strip SCOTUS of ability to hear many appellate cases (I need to check up on how that works).

    I think it was Jefferson who said that the Constitution was not a suicide pact. If that is true then BS traditions that the GOP is willing to trash in order to put extremists and crooks on the SCOTUS, should not be a suicide pact either.

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    NotMax says:

    @sukabi

    293 is the number from the date of nomination until the nomination expired.

    400, near as I can make out, is the number from the date of Scalia’s death until the date of the Senate vote on Gorsuch (or possibly the date of his swearing in). Misleading and disingenuous way of counting.

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    hitchhiker says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    This may seem like a weird take, but my fraternity would not have taken him. I am a year older than him, and, in the rush process, some people just came off as skeevy. He fits that bill.

    Not weird. He looks odd to me in every picture. Usually I can at least see the Trump “central casting” rationale in his stupid picks, and I’ve heard that Trump thinks Kav is a SCOTUS pick from central casting … but I really don’t see it. He’s just — odd.

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    NotMax says:

    @jl

    Court packing would be a terrible, terrible precedent and would irrevocably make the court a purely politically beholden entity.

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    NotMax says:

    @NotMax

    Addendum:

    It would constitute revenge, not justice.

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    @Omnes Omnibus:

    my fraternity would not have taken him

    Well thank god for DKE then. Skeeviest dudes at my school for sure.

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @NotMax: That ship sailed with Gorsuch, if it hadn’t already done so with Roberts, erm, Alito, erm, Scalia. In my donation letters, I put a cover letter in, exhorting the candidate with “no more norma, comity, bipartisanship, etc. Trump and the Republicans are enemies of (small-d) democracy, and they need to be destroyed. I expect 100% resistance.” Or something like that.

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    sukabi says:

    @jl: I know Obama took his job seriously. Was just speculating on the number discrepancy.

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    Doug R says:

    12 circuit courts plus a senior justice. 13 is very justifiable, since the population has more than doubled since the court was created with six justices.
    A few more reps would be good as well.

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @NotMax:

    It would constitute revenge, not justice.

    I fail to understand you at all. it’s not about either justice OR revenge. It’s about running our country properly. Period. Those two corpse-fuckers, and their elder brothers, will get in the way of that. Absent their resignations, we need to render them powerless, so we can recover our country. What’s “fair play” got to do with recovering our country?

    And sure sure, someday in the future, maybe packing the court would rebound on us with bad effects. The bad effects are HERE TODAY. it’s too late to somehow hope to survive with this court. They need to be neutered, those bastards.

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @Doug R: And PR and DC to statehood!

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    Doug R says:

    PR referendum NOW!

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    NotMax says:

    @Chetan Murthy

    Throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

    We had to destroy the village in order to save it.

    Clear enough?

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    Kelly says:

    @Chetan Murthy:

    The bad effects are HERE TODAY.

    And will be with us for decades if we let it.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @jl:

    Didn’t Kavanaugh give an unequivocal and categorical denial to the charge of violent sexual assault at the hearing? Whether under oath or not, that should disqualify him.

    If you’re thinking of the question Sen. Hirono asks all candidates, it includes a clause about ‘the age of majority’. So, technically, if the particular attempted rape in question was Kavanaugh’s only ‘youthful indiscretion’, then he wasn’t actually lying because he was 17 when that happened.

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @NotMax: Your metaphors are inappropriate. In both, the baby and the village are initially intact. Whereas, our democracy is in a shambles and rapidly getting worse. The judicial branch is getting packed with Trumpist stooges as we watch.

    So no, your metaphors don’t work.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @hitchhiker:

    Usually I can at least see the Trump “central casting” rationale in his stupid picks, and I’ve heard that Trump thinks Kav is a SCOTUS pick from central casting … but I really don’t see it. He’s just — odd.

    But, knowing what we know now (which Trump presumably knew in advance), he looks very much like a guy who would decide in favor of his boss, no matter what Boss might have done. Which was my (a lot of peoples’) original objection, even before the attempted-rape stories surfaced.

    Kav’s a mook in a suit, straight out of Central Casting. What’s the name of Monty Burns’ minion on the Simpsons?

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @Chetan Murthy: BTW, similar things could be said about PR/DC statehood and massively increasing the size of the House. Doesn’t matter: the EC and House are wildly un-democratic, and thse would go some way to remedying that.

    WHO CARES if the GrOPers complain. When they return to being a loyal American party, we can talk about relenting. Until then, JUST LIKE THEY DO, we need to govern alone. That means cut then out of power completely, JUST LIKE THEY DO TO US.

    There is precedent for this. Do you know the Prisoner’s Dilemma? Well it has a solution — when there are repeated games, a player using the strategy called “tit-for-tat” can win (or at least, not lose). I’m sure you can guess what “tit-for-tat” entails. It’s basically what I’ve described above.

    If you EVER what the GrOPers to return to being a normal political party, you MUST make the price of their extremism and treason too high for them to endure. That’s what tit-for-tat dictates. it’s not about “revenge”. It’s about getting them to stop “defecting” in the Prisoner’s Dilemma games.

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @Anne Laurie: Smithers

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    HumboldtBlue says:

    @Anne Laurie:

    He’s Frank Fucking Burns.

    A lip-less, sniveling toady with just enough education to muck up the works for years.

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    NotMax says:

    @Chetan Murthy

    The Great Depression wasn’t exactly a hiccup. the damage was HERE TODAY then.

    The ship of state righted itself.

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    sukabi says:

    @Anne Laurie: besides that he’s “blackmailable”, it won’t be hard for trump (or his other benefactors) to make sure his opinions line up with their best personal interests.

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    Jay says:

    @Chetan Murthy:

    Some people have not fully grasped how little democracy remains in the US.

    Having not grasped that, they do not understand what needs to be done to restore democracy and governance.

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @NotMax: Perhaps you don’t remember that SCOTUS ruled some of FDR’s measures unconstitutional, and FDR threatened to pack the court in retaliation . That is what convinced the justices to stop with their shenanigans.

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    Jay says:

    @NotMax:

    The Republican Party then, was filled with Americans.

    The Republican Party of today, is filled with Russians, Nazi’s, Rapists , God Bothers and looters.

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    NotMax says:

    @Chetan Murthy

    Of course I’m aware of that, and FDR’s own vice-president opposed it. The bill was held up in committee in the Senate by Democratic senators and eventually died there. In fact, it was voted down in committee. It was FDR’s longevity in office that allowed him to wind up with a court more amenable by nominations to seats which became open. The so-called “switch in time that saved nine” is fallacious, as the deciding vote in that case was made prior to FDR’s announcement of his plan and submission of the court packing legislation. Other FDR programs the court ruled unconstitutional were subsequently altered by Congressional legislation to pass constitutional muster.

    Put succinctly, I do not believe in “we’ll put our principles in mothballs and resurrect them later on.” Later on never arrives, history shows.

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    lgerard says:

    @hitchhiker:

    Usually I can at least see the Trump “central casting” rationale in his stupid picks, and I’ve heard that Trump thinks Kav is a SCOTUS pick from central casting … but I really don’t see it. He’s just — odd.

    I can’t figure out whether Kavanaugh looks like a guy wearing a mask made of human skin or looks like a guy who should be wearing a mask made of human skin.

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    Jay says:

    @NotMax:

    It’s not FDR’s America anymore.

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    @NotMax: So your plan is to just wait’em out?

    (I’m doubtful that either of us will be around to see if it works.)

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    NotMax says:

    @NotMax

    Will add how bizarre the main points of FDR’s plan look to us today.

    The provisions of the bill adhered to four central principles:

    allowing the President to appoint one new, younger judge for each federal judge with 10 years service who did not retire or resign within six months after reaching the age of 70 years;
    limitations upon the number of judges the President could appoint: no more than six Supreme Court justices, and no more than two on any lower federal court, with a maximum allocation between the two of 50 new judges just after the bill is passed into law;
    that lower-level judges be able to float, roving to district courts with exceptionally busy or backlogged dockets; and
    lower courts be administered by the Supreme Court through newly created “proctors”. Source

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @NotMax: oh please. Give. Me. A. Break. with this D’vorce d’Felon bullshit of calling them “Democrats”. They were conservative Southern Democrats. AKA Modern GrOPers. Next you’ll tell me that the GrOPers are the Party of Lincoln.

    Regardless, you can keep believing that “returning to norms” will work. Maybe you should compare notes with Pat Leahy, how well that worked-out. Oh, don’t remember that? Shrub pushed-thru judges by overturning the blue-slip rule. When Obama came back in, Leahy insisted on reinstating the rule. Gosh, when Shitlord came in, he abolished the rule again.

    Right. Norms. Right.

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    NotMax says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA

    No, to oppose them tooth and nail and gain both traction and a majority within the system, not to upend it.

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    NotMax says:

    @Chetan Murthy

    Not the best place to have a protracted back and forth.

    You seem to be an ends justify the means advocate. I’m not.

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @NotMax:

    within the system

    Everything being proposed is within the system. It’s just norm-breaking. But then, only GrOPers get to define (and later still, redefine, as many times as they wish) what norms are, right? That’s Murc’s Law, Norm Corollary.

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    vhh says:

    @NotMax: Picky. I’ll settle for “hundreds of days”.

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @NotMax:

    You seem to be an ends justify the means advocate.

    I’m not. I believe in American democracy. And for a democracy to function, it needs parties that are loyal to the system. When one party systematically violates every norm and rule, and the other abides by them, you get chaos and destruction. We need to fix that — get the GrOPers to start obeying the rules and norms.

    THE ONLY way that’ll happen, is if the PRICE of their violations is so high they cannot pay it. That only happens if we PUNISH them. This is the point of the “tit-for-tat” strategy.

    And yeah, no point in arguing about this any further.

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    smike says:

    @NotMax: @Chetan Murthy:
    Actually, there is a point in discussing, or arguing if you prefer, the points raised by you both. I have enjoyed reading the comments each of you make, as I can hear myself making such comments in support of each approach.

    I find myself feeling that we should not succumb to naked power plays by the opposition. In the words of Richard Brautigan, “There is some shit I will not eat.”

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    joel hanes says:

    @smike:

    In the words of Richard Brautigan, “There is some shit I will not eat.”

    earlier by e.e. cummings in “I sing of olaf glad and big”
    https://www.poets.org/poetsorg/poem/i-sing-olaf-glad-and-big

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    JGabriel says:

    @NotMax:

    293 days.

    Arithmetic ain’t that hard.

    Scalia died Feb. 13, 2016. Gorsuch was seated April 8, 2017.

    The seat was open for 419 days.

    To quote you: “Arithmetic ain’t that hard.”

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    NotMax says:

    @JGabriel

    Pish and tosh. The point is that, as egregious and despicable as McConnell was/is, there is a clutch of those days which cannot be laid at his doorstep as the Twitterer seeks to do.

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    Kraux Pas says:

    @NotMax:

    Pish and tosh. The point is that, as egregious and despicable as McConnell was/is, there is a clutch of those days which cannot be laid at his doorstep as the Twitterer seeks to do.

    The seat was open that long but not “held” as such the entire time.

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    Napoleon says:

    @randy khan: Whaaaaaa. Gaga googoo. Get over it

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