Hatteras Ain’t Happening

Well, I gave it the old college try. Hatteras is still closed and it looks like this is not going to happen.

Duck and Corolla and other places north are open, and there are places there and the beaches are unscathed and it will be fine, but I’m not sure my travel companion wants to risk it and I don’t know how much I trust the rental insurance to pay me back what I spent on the Hatteras vacation. If they decided to screw me, which is always a possibility when you deal with “insurance,” then I would be out a large chunk of change AND have to pay for a new rental starting tomorrow.

I need to think about it. Grumble piss moan.

95 replies
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    Doug R says:

    Frying Pan is a B&B.

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    Luthe says:

    Considering a government body ordered the evacuation of the island because of the hurricane, you should be ok to get your money back. I’m not surprised Hatteras is still closed; there are long stretches of the island that are nothing but oceanside beach + dune on one side and sound-side beach on the other with a two lane road in between. Storm surge from either (or both) side(s) would flood the road. At best, it’s covered in sand and dead fish; at worst it’s damaged and impassable.

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    Doug R says:

    Looks like TS Florence is going to spend all Monday rolling across West Virginia, you may want to stay and build an ark out of the willow.

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    Waynski says:

    Err on the side of safety, Cole. I live on the Jersey Shore and was out of power for 12 days after Sandy. I was shivering cold, the elevator was out (8th Fl.), and when you did venture out every manner of skell had crawled out of the woodwork.

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    Mike in NC says:

    We were supposed to attend a posh wedding on Nantucket next week. Probably won’t happen as there is no power in the neighborhood (200 miles from Raleigh) and no way to know when it will be restored. Most of our neighbors are scattered up and down the east coast in shelters. Nobody around to care for our cats. Is a dilemma.

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    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    I was thinking about you this morning when they said they were only allowing residents onto Hatteras and that police were checking IDs to make sure before letting anyone in.

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    Jeffro says:

    Come hang out in NoVA, Cole – you’re OK with a little bit of traffic, aren’t you?

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    Raoul says:

    Dunno if this has made it into a BJ thread this morning (dropped at midnight last night, I think):

    Les Wexner renounces Republican Party affiliation after Obama stops in Columbus
    By Suzanne Goldsmith, Senior Editor, Columbus Monthly
    Posted at 12:01 AM

    After former Democratic President Barack Obama made a quiet stop in Columbus, L Brands CEO Leslie H. Wexner, the wealthiest Republican supporter in the state, told a small audience at a Downtown event that he is fed up and has quit the Republican Party.

    “I just decided I’m no longer a Republican,” said L Brands CEO Leslie H. Wexner, speaking during a panel discussion about civility at Miranova’s Ivory Room billed as a “Columbus Partnership and YPO Leadership Summit.”

    “I’m an independent,” he said. “I won’t support this nonsense in the Republican Party. I’ve been a Republican since college, joined the Young Republican Club at Ohio State.”

    (emphasis added). Kay, will this matter??

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    gene108 says:

    Styacations aren’t so bad and they are cheaper than traveling.

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    sukabi says:

    Throw up some torches on your back deck, put on your best vacay clothes and enjoy the surf, lord knows you’re gonna have waves rolling up on you from there once Florence moves thru.

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    Suzanne says:

    Go to Yellowstone or something instead.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Kelly: That’s such happy news; I have tears in my eyes.

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    Marjorie Feiner says:

    Nags Head and north are fine. There will be hardly anyone there. You should go.

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    debbie says:


    He was a family friend before he got to be so big and famous. It won’t matter to Trump supporters, but there may be quite a reaction from the Jewish community. He’s a strong supporter of Israel.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    Sorry to hear this, even if I’m not surprised, considering the circumstances.

    You will get to a beach eventually — maybe during the depths of next winter — and it will be all the sweeter for the delay.

    In the mean time. I remain grateful every day that this site comes up.

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    Aleta says:

    @Kelly: Thanks for the news! (That’s a cute picture.)

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    Brendan in NC says:

    @Mike in NC: Sorry about that for both you and John. My friend has a timeshare in Kill Devil Hills that we’re supposed to go to next weekend…He’s calling on Tuesday to see if it’s still a go…

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    Ken says:


    Go to Yellowstone or something instead.

    If the supervolcano erupts, that will be another data point for the “God just doesn’t want Cole to have a vacation” theory. (Also for the “Cole is the god of calamaties” theory.)

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    Walker says:

    For what it is worth, I find travel insurance to be good at paying up. They aren’t mandatory insurance, so it would be bad for word to get out that they do not pay.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Marjorie Feiner:
    “Hardly anyone there” sounds like a hallmark of a perfect Cole vacation.

    Fall has arrived in my slice of NorCal–it won’t even crack 80 today. Me like!

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    Kelly says:

    I’d invite Cole out to Oregon but he’s probably trigger the Cascadia quake

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    RepubAnon says:

    If John dumps a bunch of sand in his back yard, he’ll have a nice beach when the rain hits ;-)

    On a side note – it’s a breach of your insurance policy to place any claims. It’s exclusion 27 in subparagraph 14 of the rider in attachment 82.

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    Ruckus says:

    You sent all the warmth down south didn’t you?
    Still showing to be over 90 for the next week. Better than than the 1000 it was not that long ago.

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    Aleta says:

    Smart to get travel insurance though. They’d better pay up.

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    satby says:

    @Kelly: so happy to see that!

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    different-church-lady says:

    All insurance is a parasite. Some forms are parasites with bits of regulation, but all insurance is designed to drain the host as much as possible before killing it. No exceptions.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Raoul: It just proves that Obama is in the pocket of the corporate barrons and no different STEIN PUTIN 2020!!1!

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    trollhattan says:

    We might could have done that–can neither confirm nor deny….

    More even than being rid of the relentless heat is the pall of ground-hugging wildfire smoke (and even ashfall) we endured during July-August. In the murky past I’d be intoning “Thank gawd we’re almost out of fire season” but are we ever, anymore? It generally takes the first big November storm up here, and some years even that doesn’t show.

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    Sorry, Cole. That’s a bummer.

    @Mike in NC: That poor couple.

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    cleek says:

    i’m afraid to check and see how Emerald Isle fared.

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    Raoul says:

    @debbie: Thanks for some local insight! I don’t expect a stampede, but I’d hope that someone that prominent might give cover for some other big-donor Rs in Ohio to pull back publicly.
    I hate that money is such an influencer of all this, but IF the GOP is going to reform, it will have to do so first at the states. And money talks.
    It certainly seems like Trumpism is a disaster for a significant portion of the business class. A slide to corrupt oligarchism isn’t actually good for even most rich people. Dunno if they’ll tumble to that, but people like Wexner could help raise the alarm.

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    debbie says:


    Right. Drip, drip, drip.

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    Raoul says:

    @different-church-lady: YMMV, but I’ve found that mutual insurance companies behave pretty well. Not having Wall Street shareholders (or the ghoulish ‘analysts’ who push profits over people) makes a difference in corporate behavior, shockingly.

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    FlyingToaster says:

    If the island is still closed as of 6 am tomorrow, then you send them the notice along with your claim. If they have a phone number, call them ASAP to make sure on the timeframe.

    When our Feb. vacation to Floridah was blizzarded out (Boston Logan closed at 2am Sunday, JetBlue sent me an e-mail, offering me a Wednesday flight for a Sunday-Friday trip, nope), I called the hotel, called the car rental, and e-mailed the travel insurer with the notice from JetBlue with the “JetBlue is refunding, I need my hotel and car deposits back”. I got the “We will cover your hotel and car deposits” e-mail about 8:15 Monday morning.

    Travel insurers are well aware of Florence. You just have to give them the dox that Hatteras is still closed on the day that the vacay rental starts, but you’re barred from the island.

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    NeenerNeener says:

    Totally OT: I just went out to pour vinegar on the weeds in my flower beds out front because I’ve got a broken toe and can’t pull/dig them out until this heals a bit more. My balance isn’t good when both of my feet are normal, much less when I’m wearing the orthopedic boot, so getting down to pull weeds right now is not happening.

    I was wondering what the funny smell was out front, and then I saw the dead cat under my dining room window. I can’t tell what killed it; the head is pretty much gone but the body is intact. My house is much too far from the street for this to be road kill. How can I get rid of it without getting too close to it? If I can figure out some way to pick it up can it go in my garbage can?

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    Schlemazel says:

    @Doug R:
    I read that as “TS Lawrence” at first.

    Scared the hell out of me

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    trollhattan says:


    Can you call animal control? Our will come collect critter corpses.

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    Schlemazel says:

    one positive side to life on the tundra is we always have a snow shovel nearby.

    A million things kill kitties and is the second best reason to not let the roam. Poor kitty

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    PAM Dirac says:

    The weather in Frederick, MD is looking up. Some actual patches of blue skies and a bit of sun for the first time in what seems like months. We should get only about an inch of rain from Florence remnants on Monday and then maybe even two sunny days in a row! We went by the Frederick Fair and got the wine judging results. I won a first in grapes grown in Frederick county and a second in dry white. Al in all a nice day.

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    spudgun says:

    @Kelly: Such good news, very happy!!

    Now we just need to find poor Jinkies… :-(

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    JWL says:

    Cole: “Water is wet”. Trump got that one right, at least, if that’s any consolation.

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    Mike E says:

    @cleek: my favorite NC beach spot…they got the brunt, as did Beaufort, New Bern and Jacksonville…Wilmington kinda got less so but the river flooding will be especially bad

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    cleek says:

    Emerald Isle gas station got beat up pretty badly:


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    HinTN says:

    Holden Beach, whereat we are supposed to be arriving today, seems to have survived but is closed until they can get power back and assess the situation. We’ve redirected to the Gulf Coast.

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    J R in WV says:


    Emerald Isle is one of the nicer highly populated barrier islands in NC, we’ve spent a week between Xmas and New Year there a couple of times with friends. She’s a priest, and needs a decompression break after high holy days, takes off after Christmas Eve mass.

    It’s pretty calm that time of year, hope it isn’t too badly torn up. May have escaped the worst being as far north of the landfall as they are.

    Sounds like New Bern got slammed pretty hard… a lovely old fashioned town.

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    Juju says:

    @NeenerNeener: get one of those sturdy black garbage bags and turn it mostly inside out. Put your hands at the bottom of the bag where the bag is the right way out scoop up the kitty remains nand push the bag from the base over the kitty carefully and when the kitty remains are in the bag close and tie and dispose of however you intend to. Don’t ask me how I know about this.

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    cleek says:

    our little group of friends do a week in Emerald Isle every year, end of Sept / early Oct.. i hope our rental place survived !

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    NeenerNeener says:

    @trollhattan: Our animal control doesn’t work weekends. I went to HomeAdvisor and got some phone numbers; a guy is supposed to come out within the next hour to get it for what I consider to be a reasonable fee. When my dogs nail a bunny I just pick it up with the poop scooper and toss it over the fence for the foxes, but this is bigger than I want to deal with when I’m wobbly.

    I feel bad for the poor thing. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t there last Monday and I have no idea what would have taken it out without dragging it away to eat it. Even the neighborhood crows haven’t found it yet.

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    HinTN says:


    The surrounding houses look OK.

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    Kelly says:

    @cleek: Center supported gas station canopies seem to always blow over in big storms. I’ve occasionally wondered why they aren’t engineered for temporary storm guy lines at the corners.

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    @different-church-lady: wow I thought Tphule had cynical locked up, but this is a damned fine effort at the silver medal.

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    Juju says:

    @J R in WV: My sister lives in Morehead city and she and her husband are renovating his house in Emerald Isle. He stayed in Morehead City during the storm and is now stuck there. He said the damage in Morehead City is unbelievable. The bridge to Emerald Isle isn’t open yet so he hasn’t had a chance to check on the house they are renovating, but he’s not feeling optimistic. The only thing that keeps him from despair is that the renovations were done to the new hurricane codes. I’ll let you know when I hear anything from my bIl, but from what I’ve seen on the news is it’s really bad in Carteret county.

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    Capri says:

    @NeenerNeener: If that happened near my house it would be coyotes. They consider cats yummy food.

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    NeenerNeener says:

    @Capri: There are coyotes in my ‘hood too, which is why I’m surprised to see the majority of the cat under my window. Maybe it was sick and chose my flower bed as a quiet place to die.

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    NeenerNeener says:

    And I’m still waiting for the guy to come get it.

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    Juju says:

    The news I have about Hatteras island is that the Bonner bridge supports need to be inspected before they will let residents on to Hatteras island and the inlet currents are too strong for the divers to dive and inspect. It’s a wait until the divers can dive. I have no idea how long that will take.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @NeenerNeener: Call animal control. You don’t live in WA, do you? Someone is mutilating cats in one of the counties here, and they haven’t caught this person.

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    stinger says:

    @PAM Dirac: A very nice day! Congratulations!

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    @Raoul: Wexner doesn’t still have the clout that he had back in the Voinovich administration, when he was able e.g. to get freeway construction projects reprioritized and redesigned to favor his business developments. His power has diminished along with his wealth in the so-called “retail apocalypse”. No one ever *liked* him.

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    still wishing people in Florence’s path are safe and can get out of the difficulties ahead with few headaches or horrors.

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    NeenerNeener says:

    @opiejeanne: No, I live in Way Upstate New York. The removal guy just got here.

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    Mary G says:

    Sorry, John.

    My autocorrect suggested Rosie for one of the next words. I thing FSM is trying to tell me that I am addicted Balloon Juice.

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    Luthe says:

    You know, if Cole is king of calamity, perhaps he should visit the White House while the Fart Cloud is in residence. That would guarantee the meteor hit.

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    Juju says:

    The Bonner bridge is open for residents and property owners 3:00 pm today. The bridge will be open for visitors tomorrow at 7:00am.

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    germy says:


    “I’m an independent,” he said. “I won’t support this nonsense in the Republican Party. I’ve been a Republican since college, joined the Young Republican Club at Ohio State.”

    I’ve seen this game before. “I’m an independent because I’m embarrassed to call myself a republican, but I’m still conservative and I’ll still vote for republicans.”

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    shelley says:

    @PAM Dirac:

    The weather in Frederick, MD is looking up.

    Hey, Im a neighbor, Im in Gwynn Oak. Youre right, the weather is getting a little bit better. Its been the near-rain-forest level of humidity thats been dragging me out.

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    James E Powell says:

    @Frank Wilhoit:

    If he made up his mind to try, could he have impact on statewide races this year?

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    germy says:

    Survivor the Kitten was rescued with his person

    Meet Robert Simmons. Was stuck in his house since last night, when floodwaters began to rise in New Bern. A boat came and rescued him just now. He was sad to leave his father but left with his kitten hugging his neck. Cat’s name: Survivor, Simmons said. #HurricaneFlorence2018 pic.twitter.com/vRR3lANDJe— Andrew Carter (@_andrewcarter) September 14, 2018

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @germy: speaking of “independents”

    Consultants sue nonpartisan group No Labels
    Strategists say Clinton veteran Mark Penn now “calling the shots” on $50 million election push
    By David Weigel
    September 14 at 8:05 PM
    The nonpartisan political group No Labels, along with a number of affiliated super PACs, is facing a lawsuit from contractors who say they were stiffed for millions of dollars of work in the 2018 cycle, let go in favor of political strategists with ties to the group’s president, Nancy Jacobson — and her husband, Mark Penn.

    Those fuckers have $50 million, and they’re using it to give money to Mark Fucking Penn. The article is light on their “project”, but they’ll fuck things up as best they can, no doubt.

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    shelley says:

    He was sad to leave his father

    What happened to the father??

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    Quinerly says:

    @cleek: Google the News and Observer. It ran a big piece today on EI. Lots of trees down on Bogue Banks. My place at Pine Knoll Shores survived. Horrendous flooding on the Bogue Sound side of Salter Path. The various towns’ FB sites have put up lots of pics and videos. Trace Cooper, mayor of AB, rode around for hrs posting stuff in real time late yesterday and today.

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    germy says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yes, they’re republicans too embarrassed to call themselves that. They’re running a scam.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    From what I could gather from the rest of the reporter’s Twitter feed, his father is okay and the house did not flood, but Mr. Simmons’ dad did not want to leave the house. The floodwaters have stopped rising, which is why Mr. Simmons was willing to leave his dad, but obviously he’s still worried.

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    Quinerly says:

    @Mike E: The river flooding is terrible even 100 miles in. Belhaven had houses that had stood over 100 I years floating on their sides. Oriental is devasted, as is New Bern. Little Washington is flooded too. All electric went out at Camp Lejeune yesterday. Unheard of. They were operating on generators. Big piece in N&O on EI.

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    Quinerly says:

    @J R in WV: technically EI is a town on the island of Bogue Banks. I’m so old I remember the ferry… There was no Cameron Langston Bridge until the 1970’s. We had a place at Salter Path in the 1960’s and used to come on the island from that end. The ferry was a big deal to a 5 year old. 🧡

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    Quinerly says:

    @Juju: how’s you Emerald Isle sister?

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    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism says:

    @shelley: His father refused to leave.

    Everyone: If you don’t absolutely have to come to NC, stay away. I just saw the river cresting predictions. They’re trying to evacuate large parts of Fayetteville/Cumberland County by 3 pm tomorrow. (Everything within a mile of the Cape Fear and Little Rivers.) Part of I-95 is already closed due to flooding, and with the rivers predicted to crest anywhere from 10-25′ above flood stage, there will be more. Predictions are as much as four feet higher than for Matthew.

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    Quinerly says:

    @Juju: all the towns are putting up pics on their FB sites. It’s bad, but could have been so much worse. As my dad would say, “the ocean didn’t meet the sound.”

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    Luthe says:

    Per various NC local papers, Hatteras Island has been cleared for visitors starting 3pm tomorrow. I would call your rental company and see what they say.

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    rikyrah says:

    Sorry Cole😞😞

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    debbie says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    No Labels are using Trump’s playbook and screwing the peons but good.

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    @James E Powell: Short answer, no. The money is the money, but he has no “personal brand” or credibility. Basically Les Wexner as a businessman is a washed-up has-been who is still sitting on a pile of cash. He bought huge tracts of undeveloped land very cheaply 50-60 years ago and sat on them until they could be leased at immense markup. He made his fortune that way, which I think peaked at something in the very low 11 figures. His retail ventures were at one time very prominent and exciting, but are now on the way down and probably amounted to a net loss for him from a lifetime perspective. He was briefly a commandingly major employer in the Columbus area and liked being able to throw that weight around. If he were to start giving money to Democrats it would be because he wanted something from them, but he hasn’t really got anything left to want. He hasn’t been much heard from for a lot of years — if you had asked me, I wouldn’t have been perfectly certain that he was still alive.

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    Juju says:

    @Quinerly: she’s inland here with us, and is fine. Her house in Morehead had some minor damage, but she and her husband consider themselves fortunate it was minor.

    I’m glad to hear your home in Emerald Isle is ok.

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    Lee says:

    My experience with travel insurance is very good. They paid right up once they had the documentation.

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    StringOnAStick says:

    Anyone care to speculate that the comment from Manafort’s lawyer about “making sure his family is safe” might be code for “in witness protection now”? I wonder if that includes the daughter who just changed her name to her mother’s maiden name in order to get the Manafort off herself.

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    Aleta says:

    @Juju: Have you heard anything about Myrtle Beach?

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    @StringOnAStick: That’s my guess. I tweeted it out yesterday and think I commented on it here. Can’t think of any other meaning, since Putin has shown that he’s willing to attack people’s families.

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    Ruckus says:

    The stuff that is down is rather easily replaceable if not all that cheap. The building looks in good shape and that’s the expensive part. The gas pumps being down might mean that water may have been able to get into the gas tanks, which would be expensive. I believe that most gas stations have one way valves which keeps both fire and water from getting to the tanks, at least for a while.

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    sukabi says:

    You know John, if you did go to Hatteras, this would be your fate. You know it’s true.😜

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    Schlemazel says:

    Staying put seemed like a good idea to Jeanette Rivera until Hurricane Florence rumbled ashore on Friday.

    With wind whipping and water rapidly rising around her house in Sneads Ferry, North Carolina, Rivera was cursing herself for not leaving when she had the chance — and waiting to be rescued.

    “I’m really upset at myself for staying,” Rivera, 47, told NBC News. “I just want to get out of here.”

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    rekoob says:

    For what it’s worth, Interstate 95 South in Virginia is displaying warnings all along the route from DC to Richmond stating that the Interstate is closed in North Carolina. Avoid travel and use extreme caution. I’d say that means don’t risk it, especially since others have indicated that the road’s been flooded.

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    Betsy says:

    @Quinerly: Greetings from LW. All that damage in the towns you mention was from storm surge, pretty much, rather than riverine flooding (rainfall). The east winds pushed so much water from the sounds onto those towns. New Bern was closest tothe longest steady dose of hurricane-force winds from the east — hence worst storm surge of all. Towns this far east are mostly immune from riverine flooding. I blame G W Bush for it all

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