Happy Friday

It’s 90000 degrees with 200% humidity, my pc blew up, and I think I am getting an ear infection. Going to go watch Jack Ryan on Amazon Prime and I just hope he kills a lot of people because that is how I feel.

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    rikyrah says:

    Evening, Cole.

    Hope you feel better.

    Spent the day watching the Aretha Franklin funeral, and outside of that foul eulogy, it’s been a glorious celebration.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    Was the Willow too close to the PC?

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    Shana says:

    I went out once earlier today here in Northern Virginia and it felt exactly the same. I don’t blame you. I’m settling in to watch Bells are Ringing which I DVRed a few weeks ago. I hope you enjoy Jack Ryan.

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    HinTN says:

    You go, guy.

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    Another Scott says:

    @A Ghost To Most: rofl. Of course! :-D

    Best of luck, JC.


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    TenguPhule says:

    It’s 90000 degrees with 200% humidity

    So basically Hawaii, just with snakes?

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    Let me just say I don’t think I can survive another infrastructure week.

    On the PC front, I recently rebuilt mine. I decided to go for a silent model, and I have never been happier with a computer-related decision. The things that made the biggest difference, as far as I can tell:

    1) I got a huge heat sink with a big, slow-turning fan. It was more expensive than the one that came with the processor, but definitely worth it.
    2) I got super-quiet case fans. Another big win.
    3) I paid extra for the highest efficiency level power supply. Not only does that save energy, it wastes so little power it doesn’t need a fan. Again, a big win for quiet.

    The net is that the thing is so quiet the nosiest it gets is when I power it on and the DVD drive makes a waking up noise.

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    rikyrah says:


    Verified account

    Follow Follow @rolandsmartin
    Folks, he can’t see, but Stevie Wonder can hear. And he is offering a rebuke to the eulogy. Don’t think for a second he isn’t! And the folks in the room heard it. #ArethaHomegoing

    3:29 PM – 31 Aug 2018

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    Steeplejack says:

    I’m trying to motivate myself to take a shower and go in search of something good to eat.

    But I’m gonna wait until Stevie Wonder gets done praising Aretha.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    I watched only sporadically. What foul eulogy? By which I mean, who delivered it and what made it “foul”?

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    Let us know how you like it. I imagine I would have a hard time taking him seriously, but I did really like A Quiet Place, so.

    Google’s DeepDream AI made me a lovely nightmare fuel image of the goats we rented at work, if you’re feeling up to it. Happy Friday!

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    Elizabelle says:

    @rikyrah: Good job, Stevie. And rikyrah: thank you for calling it a “foul eulogy.” It twas. The only false note in a superb homecoming celebration.

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    rikyrah says:

    when the funeral started, I put a roast on in the slow cooker….
    it has less than an hour to go…LOL

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    @Major Major Major Major:

    Google’s DeepDream AI made me a lovely nightmare fuel image of the goats we rented at work, if you’re feeling up to it.

    It’s freaky, but I’m not sure it makes it to the level of nightmare fuel.

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    zhena gogolia says:


    Yeah, I missed that. Stevie Wonder was celestial.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @rikyrah: We could be in Europe! Like middle Europe!

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Google’s DeepDream AI made me a lovely nightmare fuel image of the goats we rented at work

    Did you learn nothing from the dogs?

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    rikyrah says:

    @Mike J:

    No. Jasper Williams. It was a foul sermon that was full of everything that ran me away from organized religion.


    He was the worst of all the preachers.

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    zhena gogolia says:


    Okay, I just skimmed Clive Davis and he seemed fine. I’ll go look.

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    rikyrah says:

    Naima Cochrane

    Follow Follow @naima
    I just realized Farrakahn ain’t even speaking today. He just been up there chillin’…. though this super Jesus-y service 😂. The power of Aretha.

    3:32 PM – 31 Aug 2018

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    @Roger Moore: the next generation certainly did, if this one is too tame. I didn’t save it, lol.

    ETA and people complained last time so I decided to share a tamer one anyway

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    Chet says:

    Not sure I’m ready for Jim Halpert as Jack Ryan.

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    geg6 says:


    I watched quite a bit of it, but missed the “foul eulogy.” Who gave it and what was foul?

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    @Roger Moore:

    I’m not sure it makes it to the level of nightmare fuel.

    Did you see what Major^4 did to his poor cat?

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    rikyrah says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    Jasper Williams.

    Clive is shady, but his wasn’t a foul eulogy. He was quite respectful

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    rikyrah says:


    Had nothing to do with Aretha. Didn’t praise her life. Was misogynistic at the funeral of one of the greatest Black women this country has ever had. Was anti-Black at a funeral of woman known for helping her community all her life. It was all kinds of wrong.

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    James E Powell says:

    I’m just finishing episode 4 of Jack Ryan. I will refrain from any remarks other than to say that this is a “based on” character and not the Soviet expert guy in Hunt for Red October (book or film).

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    TenguPhule says:

    JFC, I’m not on drugs. This can only mean I’ve slipped into some horrible parallel timeline.

    By any metric, Trump is in trouble.

    A poll out from The Post and ABC on Friday shows that 60 percent of voters disapprove of the job he’s doing as president, a new low. But that’s just one poll; the polling average at statistician Nate Silver’s FiveThirtyEight shows Trump with a mere 53.4 percent disapproval rating, which is better than its 56.8 percent peak last December.

    But a presidency is not in good shape when the best spin on the new poll is “It’s an outlier! Only 53 percent of the country thinks the president is terrible.” The poll is especially ugly for Republicans with midterms looming in two months.

    Megan McArdle wrote this.

    /we must be fucked somehow.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @rikyrah: Jasper Williams eulogized Aretha’s father in 1984. He seems not to have noticed that some things have changed, mightily, in the interim.

    It was a scolding and boring eulogy. Bill Cosby’s pound cake speech, but probably even longer and scoldier.

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    geg6 says:

    Hot as hell here, too, Cole. It’s the humidity, regardless of how much of a cliche that may be.

    We’re not cooking tonight. Heading across the street to the local pub for some Greek bites and a few beers. I’m dying for a gyro.

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    @Roger Moore: also, it might just be freaky to me because I went to college ‘round these hills and that sort of sight is a bit, ah, familiar.

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    geg6 says:


    Some nutcase evangelical white guy, I presume?

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    Mary G says:

    @rikyrah: I wondered why the bishop kept saying in introducing him that he was the family’s choice, but once he got started I knew. Bill Cosby’s greatest hits. Everything wrong today is the fault of single mothers.

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    philpm says:

    For the first time in almost 35 years, I’m unemployed. I plan to drink all weekend knowing that if I wake up feeling like shit on Tuesday, it makes no difference.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Chet: I’ve seen a few ads for it and it always makes me laugh. He doesn’t seem right for the role.

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    rikyrah says:


    No, he was Black…takes all kinds :(

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    Mike J says:

    @rikyrah: The only knock against Clive is half of his was about himself, but not awful. I didn’t see Williams.

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    debbie says:

    The predicted cool-down here turns out to be a tiny drop in temperature and an even tinier drop in humidity. At least I wasn’t at work. Autumn is coming.

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    geg6 says:

    @Mary G:

    Oh no, not some nutcase evangelical black guy? I don’t understand these people. Every black church I’ve ever been to has been lovely and joyful. If I ever lost my mind and became a believer, I’d join one of the black churches I’ve been to, if they’d have me.

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    TenguPhule says:

    The people who discussed Ohr’s interview were not authorized to publicly discuss details of the closed session and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.

    Among the things Ohr said he learned from Steele during the breakfast was that an unnamed former Russian intelligence official had communicated that Russian intelligence believed “they had Trump over a barrel,” according to people familiar with the meeting.

    It was not clear from Ohr’s interview whether Steele was directly told that or had picked that up through his contacts, but the broader sentiment is echoed in Steele’s dossier.

    Lawyer was told Russia had ‘Trump over a barrel,’ sources say

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    MomSense says:

    I missed the entire Aretha today. 😢👑Hopefully I can find video.

    Have a vegetable and white bean soup simmering on the stove and some beautiful crusty wheat and grains bread. Poured a beer and will just ease in to the weekend. The garden and chores can wait until tomorrow.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Mary G: Amazing god-danged thing to be railing at, at the funeral of a superb woman who was a single mother AT AGE 12 and still managed to triumph. Took up ballet (!) late in life. She was all about her community and her family,, and Jasper was … all about Jasper and his outdated message. So tonedeaf. The grandkids were bored; you could see it.

    Only part I am glad Aretha missed. Otherwise, this service was perfect.

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    debbie says:


    No. I found this about him. Bet she’s disappointed now.

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    Another Scott says:

    In other news, Amy Walter at the Cook Political Report:

    First, let’s look at this political aphorism that Hillary Clinton lost because white women abandoned her. That assumption comes directly from the 2016 exit poll that showed Trump winning white women by 9-points (52 percent to 43 percent).

    However, a Pew Research assessment of the 2016 electorate, which was highlighted in an early August report, showed Trump did much worse with white women and white college-educated voters than what the exit polls found.

    The exits show Trump winning white voters by nine-points. But, Pew’s validated voter survey (they matched voter file with the survey respondents) showed white women narrowly preferring Trump to Clinton by 2 points – 47 percent to 45 percent. Instead of winning decisively among this group (as the narratives and exits have shown), the Pew data suggests white women have always been, at best, ambivalent about Trump.

    The exit polls and the Pew surveys both show a sizable gap in voter preference among white college-educated and white, non-college educated voters. In the exit poll, Trump narrowly carried white college-educated voters by three points (48 to 45 percent). But, the Pew survey found Clinton won these voters by 17 points! The exit polls also showed the electorate to be more heavily populated by white, college-educated graduates than the census and other data experts believe to be true.

    Now, compare how white voters voted in 2016 to Trump’s current job approval rating and the congressional ballot question from the NBC/Wall Street Journal January-July merged poll (3,995 voters). Looking at the Pew data, you can see that opinions about Trump and vote preference among white women isn’t all that much different from where it was in 2016. The exit poll data, however, shows a significant drop-off in support for Trump among those same voters.

    For example, according to exit polls, Trump carried white, college-educated voters with 48 percent of the vote. Today, his approval rating among these voters is just 37 percent. More ominously, after voting narrowly for Trump in 2016, these voters overwhelmingly prefer a Democrat for Congress over a Republican (54 percent to 39 percent).

    But, what if you compared Trump’s current standing with the Pew data. Trump took 38 percent of college-educated voters in 2016, and his current standing with these voters is….37 percent. Their vote preference in 2016 (38 percent Trump to 55 percent Clinton), pretty much mirrors their vote preference for 2018 – 39 percent Republican to 54 percent Democrat.


    IOW, Trump’s voters are actually still with him – as one would expect (just as they stuck with Nixon until the end).

    I haven’t trusted exit polls at least as far back as that one that said Bush won over Kerry because people were driven by “moral values” in making their choice. It’s too little actual data, too easy to distort (picking precincts to get the results you want or expect, etc.), and too easy to spin into a neat little sound bite story that fits the easy corporate-press narrative, and too often wrong.


    The lesson here is to (almost) never trust the instant analysis of election results. It’s almost always false.

    (via LOLGOP on Twitter)


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    rikyrah says:

    Follow Follow @markchappelle
    Jennifer Holliday singing this recessional is just glorious. Y’all, this is the send off that Aretha deserved. This is the most royally Black treatment I could ever imagine. #ArethaHomegoing

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    joel hanes says:

    think I am getting an ear infection

    Deep gargle with saline will make you feel better, if you can manage it.

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    Kay (not the front-pager) says:

    I stuck $25 in the kitty. I know it’s a drop in the bucket but it’s what I have right at the moment before the long weekend. Unfortunately for you I had just added a little to O’Rourke & Trauner before I saw your post.

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    @Another Scott: i mean, as usual it all comes down to whose supporters actually vote.

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    trollhattan says:

    Since she shares a perch with Bloody Bill Kristol as always wrong, how can we properly categorize this?

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    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    My laptop is about to die, in order to boot it I have to check enter to disregard the fact that the fan is toast. I keep on keeping on though because I am a cheapskate.

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    p.a. says:

    @Roger Moore: Greased cotton balls on the curtain rod. “Completely silent.”


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    @trollhattan: well, we haven’t been living in consensus reality since Bowie died, so these little hiccups are to be expected.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Another Scott:
    A yuge disparity, that.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Yup.

    When Democrats vote, Democrats win. (Excluding egregious gerrymandering, voter suppression, and similar antics. And those have to be fought as well.)

    We really have our future in our hands. Everyone who is able really needs to get out and vote. Thinking that Donnie’s voters are going to turn on him isn’t going to do it – we need to get our people to the polls.


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    Kent says:

    Binge watched Jack Ryan last night. Never really did get past watching Jim Halpert as Jack Ryan. Essentially it’s a very dumbed down version of Homeland with a male lead and far more simplistic plot lines.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @trollhattan: All I know is that nothing good can possibly come of this.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    well, we haven’t been living in consensus reality since Bowie died, so these little hiccups are to be expected.

    I still maintain this is the Cubs fault.

    I mean, look what happened when the Red Sox won.

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    trollhattan says:

    It’s always fun to watch how they die. My “favorite” was a laptop that suddenly displayed a dozen or so tiny screens instead of just one that I could, you know, read. It just had motherboard video so no discrete card that could be replaced–I opened it up just in case there was some avenue but after accumulating a small mountain of fasteners I met my Waterloo trying to pry off the keyboard, which bent into something resembling a Gehry building.

    Think laptops have a lifespan about a quarter of a typical desktop. Heat, I suppose.

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    chris says:

    This cat is related to one of mine. I needed a good laugh today.

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    Kent says:

    @Another Scott:

    Politics in the Trump era is incredibly simple and stark at this point. Only two things actually matter.

    1. Taking back Congress in 2018. Preferably the Senate for the confirmations but the House at a minimum. Nothing else in 2018 matters.

    2. Taking back the White House in 2020. All the impeachment stuff is a distraction in my mind. No matter what we still have a GOPer in the White House through 2020. My worst case scenario would be impeachement of Trump in 2019 followed up by a massive fluffing up of the new Pence Administration by all the media who think he deserves a “fresh start” and a chance to put things right in 2020. I could see all kinds of horrifying nonsense about all the GOP daddies now back in control and deserving of another 4 years. Best case scenario is an embattled and embittered Trump at 20% approval rating in 2020 still clinging to power and sucking up all the GOP oxygen in the room and getting tossed out with a 45 state electoral college whipping. In my mind it is simply a calculation of who is easier to beat in 2020: An embattled, embittered and increasingly senile Trump? Or a fresh-faced “GOP Daddy” Pence administration still in it’s ‘honeymoon’ period.

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    C. Isaac says:

    @trollhattan: Heat and dust accumulation are the normal culprits.

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    Steeplejack says:

    Stevie Wonder brought it with the thunder and the lightning. As someone said on #ArethaHomeGoing, he and Gladys Knight saged the room after that pastor.

    “As.” (Can’t find a clip from the service yet.)

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    Brachiator says:

    @rikyrah: Did you see the inclusion of a tribute to Franklin in the changing of the guard ceremony in the UK?

    ETA. Hope link works. Things are weird with my mobile browser.

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    Mary G says:

    @chris: My housemates were doing my room on Sunday and one of them got halfway down the driveway with the sheets before they starting moving and scared the shit out of him.

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    chris says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt: If it’s just the fan can’t you replace it? Or have it repaired?

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    @TenguPhule: no, but the Cubs came after. They’re an effect, not a cause.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Steeplejack: What exactly does “saged the room” mean? I get that it’s like Febreeze after that poundcake speech.

    I see “sage” popping up from time to time as slang and don’t always get it …

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    mattH says:

    *is reminded why dry heat is better than humid torture*

    I hope it ends for you soon.

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    CarolDuhart2 says:

    @rikyrah: I was already negative on the eulogy. Too long at this late in time anyway. I would have just said after all of the great speakers: comfort the family on the long road ahead. They have a hole in their hearts and lives now, and if you even make an occasional call or tweet to them, they will know that they matter to you too. Please support the things she cared for in word and deed, try to hold on to the good memories of her. Then maybe a short hymn and a short prayer. But once he started in on the “single mothers” mess, I was done. Aretha was, as you said, a single mother and it looks like she did a pretty good job.

    Stevie made up for it though.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Did you mean “saved the room”, but no edit?

    Just recently learned what bae is …

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    Brachiator says:


    Did you see the inclusion of a tribute to Franklin in the changing of the guard ceremony in the UK?

    Second attempt to include a link. Apologies for a balky browser.


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    But her emails!!! says:

    @Another Scott:
    Was it explained how Trump won given that that nobody voted for him but white men according to the Pew report? The victory Trump eked out makes sense based on the exit polls. It doesn’t make sense if he essentially tied with white women and lost every demo but white men.

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    Mary G says:

    @Elizabelle: It’s a Native American thing picked up by the DFH’s – you make a bundle of dried wild sage leaves and burn it in a house to bless it or remove ghosts or bad vibes or whatever. Lots of people do it out here when they move.

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    Mary G says:

    I hope Adam can chime in on this and that Mattis still has a shred of influence left to stop it:

    Momentum gathering around some kind of US military action in Venezuela: Rubio, as well as some in DC bureaucracy openly discussing now. A friend with high-level DC contacts told me recently “I’m afraid they’re gonna do something crazy.” https://t.co/X7pnlzVA71— Brian Winter (@BrazilBrian) August 31, 2018

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    But her emails!!! says:


    What’s old is new again. Sage was used to purify rooms of dark energy. Meaning that burning it was a good way to get rid of the stench of death, sickness and disease. Apparently, this is a thing again.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @chris: Persistent cat. Fugly bed.

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    @But her emails!!!: hippies have been burning sage since hippies were invented. Perhaps it’s just in vogue right now.

    ETA re: it being “a [hip] thing”. I know other humans did it before hippies/also do it now.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @Elizabelle: Burning sage is said to dispel negative energy. Also called smudging.

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    Aleta says:

    The Village Voice is going out of business after 63 years.

    Its publisher, Peter Barbey, announced Friday that the paper is ceasing publication altogether because of financial problems, a year after it stopped circulating in print and went to digital-only.

    Eight of the Voice’s 18 remaining staffers were laid off. Others stayed behind to digitize its print archive so that future generations can read it. News editor Neil deMause said staffers were more saddened than shocked by the news.

    “It’s 2018 and we’re all aware of the state of the journalism industry,” said deMause, 52, who started reading the Voice as a teenager in the 1980s. “As a longtime reader and fan of the Voice even more than as a writer and editor, I am deeply saddened that we won’t have the Voice’s voice anymore,” he added. “It’s a huge, huge loss.”

    The Voice was the country’s first alternative newsweekly, founded in Greenwich Village in 1955 by a group that included writer Norman Mailer. It once had a weekly circulation of 250,000 copies and was home to some of New York’s best investigative journalists and music writers.

    The combative, left-leaning paper became known for its brash political reporting and its coverage of music and theater. It also became a powerful advocate for New York’s gay community. It won three Pulitzers, for editorial cartooning and feature writing in the 1980s and for international reporting in 2000 for a series on AIDS in Africa.

    The Voice nurtured such talents as jazz maven and civil libertarian Nat Hentoff; investigative reporter Wayne Barrett, whose targets included Mayor Rudolph Giuliani and Donald Trump; and culture writers such as Manohla Dargis, now a film critic for The New York Times.

    Barbey, also president of The Reading Eagle newspaper in Pennsylvania, bought the Voice in 2015 in an attempt to save it following a series of ownership changes, staff departures and losses in readership and advertising that had left it in a state of perpetual peril. He tried to stem the paper’s losses by giving up print publication last summer and publishing online only – a step that removed the Voice from the sidewalk boxes that were a fixture on New York street corners for generations.

    “In recent years, the Voice has been subject to the increasingly harsh economic realities facing those creating journalism and written media,” Barbey wrote. “Like many others in publishing, we were continually optimistic that relief was around the next corner. Where stability for our business is, we do not know yet. The only thing that is clear now is that we have not reached that destination.”


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    Brachiator says:

    @Another Scott:

    I haven’t trusted exit polls at least as far back as that one that said Bush won over Kerry because people were driven by “moral values” in making their choice.

    Exit polls are fine. It’s all about the analysis of the data. The Pew extract you provided gives a good breakdown of how different classes of white women view Trump.

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    Steeplejack says:


    Burning sage is a New Age woo method of (spiritually) cleansing a space.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @Major Major Major Major: It’s quite an old practice. Used be some Native American tribes,

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    Steeplejack says:


    I meant “saged the room.” Explanation here.

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    Kent says:

    @Mary G: What possible US military intervention could there be in Venezuela? I suppose an old-school US-supported military coup that would leave a right-wing military dictatorship in place. But my (limited) understanding of Venezuela is that the Chavista’s have had 20 years to infiltrate every lever of power including the military and there isn’t any remaining cadre of high-ranking right wing military officers with any sort of power or influence who can step in. So it is totally unlike say Chile in the 1970s where there was a powerful military waiting in the wings.

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    @Major Major Major Major: Cubs were before the 2016 election, I warned y’all.

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    @Gelfling 545: yes, see my edit. Really I just left an altogether bad comment.

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    lamh36 says:


    I sat and watched the 7+hours of Aretha Franklin’s Homegoing service, and I refuse to let the one sour note ruin the beauty of the service and it’s celebration of Aretha.

    I’d hope that those who didn’t watch it will be more interested in those 7+hours of beauty and celebration rather than that 30 minute of that crappy eulogy.

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    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Bowie died January 2016. Tell me things didn’t rapidly start to unravel right that second.

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    rikyrah says:

    I saw it. Loved it.😄

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    Brachiator says:


    Its publisher, Peter Barbey, announced Friday that the paper is ceasing publication altogether because of financial problems, a year after it stopped circulating in print and went to digital-only.

    This is sad, but not unexpected. It’s unfortunate that the Voice could not survive as a digital publication.

    I loved their investigative reporting and music columns. They had some great writers. I wonder where people are going for the new alternative?

    I’m also very sad for all the people who have lost jobs, especially in a shrinking journalism industry.

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    The Dangerman says:


    Burning MAGA hats works, too.

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    I also finished what I hope is a working On The Road submission/management tool this afternoon, so that was fun. Slow day at the office, if that goat picture wasn’t indication enough.

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    @Major Major Major Major: They didn’t unravel until the Cubs won.

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    Mary G says:

    @Kent: Think of “squirrel” from “Up.” It’s a distraction from the president’s woes and a cynical attempt to take advantage that approval ratings almost always shoot way up at the beginning of a war. They don’t give a flying fuck about Venezuela.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @Kent: “Damn the accuracy. It’s the sound we want!”

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    PJ says:

    @Kent: Pence was hand-picked by Manafort, I have a feeling he will be indicted. If we take the Senate, we can block approval of any of Trump’s appointments to that office, so that when Trump is impeached, we have President Pelosi to look forward to.

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    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I seem to remember Donald Trump winning the republican primary for president, and a lot of foreign interference in the election…

    Also, the Cubs won the series.

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    Monkeyfister says:

    Just made my PayPal donation to the Keep Cole Computing Fund.
    Give often. Give deeply.

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    Brachiator says:

    Trump really has a hate-on for Canada.

    President Donald Trump on Friday confirmed “insulting” comments that he’d first made off the record regarding his unwillingness to work with Canada on the North American Free Trade Agreement.

    During an interview with Bloomberg News on Thursday, Trump said he was not willing to compromise with Canada on revising NAFTA. He put those remarks “off the record,” but they were quickly leaked to the Toronto Star.

    “Here’s the problem. If I say no ― the answer’s no,” Trump said about a possible compromise. “If I say no, then you’re going to put that, and it’s going to be so insulting they’re not going to be able to make a deal. … I can’t kill these people.”

    Any potential trade deal with Canada would be “totally on our terms,” he said, and expressed his pleasure with his current strategy of repeatedly threatening to impose tariffs, according to the Star.

    Trump seems to be insanely jealous of the youthful Trudeau, and wants to be perceived as forcing Canada to its knees.

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    Kay (not the front-pager) says:

    @philpm: That sucks, I’m really sorry.

    Wait, I assume this is not voluntary. If it’s voluntary, then congratulations! Otherwise, I’m sorry. Probably a good idea to take the weekend to get used to the idea, before getting to work on a plan to rectify things.

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    Steeplejack says:


    Trump may be impeached, but, barring some truly heinous revelation—which I don’t rule out—he will not be convicted and removed. You will not find ≈16 Republican senators who will vote for conviction based on what has come out or is likely (so far) to come out. They’re already at “Is collusion really a big deal?” and will only get worse. And the prospect of President Pelosi is like waving a cross at a vampire.

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    @PJ: The House can also block VP nominations as well, it has to pass both houses.

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    Steeplejack says:


    Retired or fired?

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    Kent says:

    @PJ: Even if we re-take the senate it will still take at least 13 GOP senators to cross the aisle and vote to convict. That’s simply not going to happen. If things actually get that bad he will pull a Palin and resign and president Pence’s first act in office will be to pardon Trump “for the good of the Nation so we can move forward.” There are simply no political scenarios that put a dem in the white house before 2021.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Mary G:

    Momentum gathering around some kind of US military action in Venezuela: Rubio, as well as some in DC bureaucracy openly discussing now.

    I’d like to see Adam weigh in on this as well.

    Rubio needs to put down the crack pipe. I don’t see what US intervention would accomplish. Still, Venezuela is unraveling. People are fleeing to neighboring countries. Barter is replacing currency transactions.

    Talk about a mess.

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    Jay says:

    @Mary G:

    As Adam has explained, the NSA goes to the Pentagon, the Pentagon comes up with options and presents them to the NSA, the NSA presents the various options to the Administration, the Administration picks.

    Or goes back to the Pentagon with their criticisms and options.

    Once there is an agreed plan the Pentagon starts to implement the plan.

    As Adam has pointed out, other than cruise missiles, bombings or drone actions, scratch that last one, the US Military Machine is tapped out.

    Venezuela’s a big country, difficult terrain, large population, and heavily “Chavez’ed” including Irregulars. The few US “allies” in the region, their militaries are either useless or busy in the Drug Wars.

    Should the Pentagon be asked, they’ll Presidential Parade the hell out of it.

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    @Kent: a lot of the Dem base is going to cry bloody murder if the house doesn’t move to impeach. How much, I don’t know, but it’s gonna be high drama.

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    @Major Major Major Major: I’ve become more and more convinced by this theory since I first heard it.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I think there’s a good chance that a Democratic House would move for impeachment, and it could be a good thing to get the Republican senators on the record as supporting Trump in all his fetid glory. I just don’t see any scenario leading to President Pelosi.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Kent: Of course, we all know that Donnie’s thought process is:

    1) US military action in Venezuela
    2) ?
    3) “Take the oil!!1”

    It’s the underpants gnomes all over again.


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    Jay says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Impeachment is a Beltway-RWNJ talking point.

    The Democratic Party “base”, unlike Shitler’s base, can do simple math.

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    Kent says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Absent a Mueller Report that presents a gift-wrapped and iron-clad case for impeachment I suspect what would really happen in a 2019 Dem controlled house would be 10 different high-profile prime time Congressional investigations starting up and looking at everything from Trump’s Taxes to Russia to corruption by Cabinet secretaries. Those will all drag out through the 2020 primaries and into the 2020 general election campaign in the same way that the Bengazi nonsense dragged on forever. And any alternative GOP presidential candidates will get sucked into the vortex. Dems would be conducting poliitical malpractice if they rushed forward with an early 2019 impeachment vote when they have the chance to torture and neuter the GOP for 2 more years and pull on every corruption thread they find.

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    Susan Baughman says:

    @Aleta: Very sad for me. My moderate Republican mother in Ohio loved the Voice. I read it all through high school. Thanks Mom (also thanks Voice staff.)

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    Kent says:

    @Another Scott: Yes, let’s go take over Venezuela and bring all that giant sea of oil to market. What would happen next? Massive recession throughout all the entire GOP oil patch in the US from Texas and Oklahoma to the Dakotas and Alaska as oil prices crash and US drillers go bankrupt. Oops.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    a lot of the Dem base is going to cry bloody murder if the house doesn’t move to impeach

    Mueller has not presented evidence of an impeachable offense. And the Senate will never convict.

    If the Dems can take the House, it would be interesting to see if they can manipulate Trump’s ego and make him govern more moderately. Probably not , but it doesn’t hurt to speculate.

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    The Democratic Party “base”, unlike Shitler’s base, can do simple math.

    The DailyKos commentariat couldn’t even count to 60 from 2009-2010.

    @Brachiator: @Kent: you’re conflating whether it’s a good idea with whether or not a lot of the Dem base will agitate for it. There are still people pissed off Pelosi didn’t impeach W.

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    Jay says:


    “Off the record, Canada’s working their ass off. And every time we have a problem with a point, I just put up a picture of a Chevrolet Impala,” Trump said, according to the source. The Impala is produced at the General Motors plant in Oshawa, Ontario.”

    Dementia Donnie pretends to his Shitlerite minions that he’s actually “involved” in the negotiations.

    The reality is The Insane Clown POSus knows nothing and nothing can be explained to him. The US strategy is to ignore Dementia Donnie, let the Technocrats negotiate, then hopefully present an agreement to the Toddler in Chief, telling him “it’s the greatest deal ever”. Then hope he signs it before his next tantrum hits.

    Meetings start back up on Wednesday next week.

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    Jay says:



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    Brachiator says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I don’t believe that the Democratic Party base will agitate for impeachment.

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    @Brachiator: I think enough of them to cause major headaches will.

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    Brachiator says:


    The US strategy is to ignore Dementia Donnie, let the Technocrats negotiate, then hopefully present an agreement to the Toddler in Chief, telling him “it’s the greatest deal ever”.

    Trump got his way in separating the talks (Mexico and Canada). His insults make it difficult for everyone.

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    Jay says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Lot’s of people yelling on a few forums isn’t the Democratic Party Base.

    The Internet massively amplifies a few voices. That’s why the 101st KKKeyboard KKKommando’s sound like a Division on line, but can’t even fill out a company in the Real World.

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    Lot’s of people yelling on a few forums isn’t the Democratic Party Base.

    In that era the DailyKos community and broader Netroots cluster was in fact an important component of the democratic base.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I think enough of them to cause major headaches will.

    Unless Mueller drops a clear, winnable case, impeachment talk will evaporate.

    People who are not political junkies expect Congress and the president to govern, not get sidetracked into endless rounds of hearings and investigations.

    Trump has fucked up heath insurance and undermined the economy with his tax cuts. This cannot be ignored while Democrats go off on a fruitless impeachment hunt.

    Even if some of the base insist on impeachment follies, they will be ignored, and with good reason. The only question will be how best to channel their anger for 2020.

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    TenguPhule says:


    People who are not political junkies expect Congress and the president to govern, not get sidetracked into endless rounds of hearings and investigations.

    And yet Republicans did this with Hillary Clinton and somehow managed to get reelected.

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    Jay says:


    Bit more complex than that.

    Because of differences in laws, economies and past Trade Deals, NAFTA is three different trade deals bundled together, Cdn/USA, Mex/Cdn, Mex/USA.

    As a result, there are Mecico/US issues that don’t involve in any way, Canadian Trade with the US or Mexico. That’s why there were bilateral US/Mexico talks.

    According to both Mexico and Canada, Mexico, instead of limiting the negotiations to just US/Mexico issues, struck a deal on all the issues, and kept Canada informed.

    This is understandable, because it’s an Outgoing Administration, and the Incoming Mexican Administration has a completely different view on economics.

    The New Administration get’s sworn in December 1st, the US Mexico Trade Pact, get’s torn up December 2nd. That’s where the Friday deadline came from, again not Dollhands Donnie.

    And like most deadlines, it went whooshing past.

    So, while there might, in the coming months, be a Canada/US agreement, there won’t be a New NAFTA until late 2019 at the earliest.

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    Brachiator says:

    And yet Republicans did this with Hillary Clinton and somehow managed to get reelected.

    The endless, pointless investigations into Hillary was not even bad political theater, and distracted from GOP failures. Where is that replacement of Obamacare?

    Every Republican who reveled in the Hillary congressional shit shows is a fool. Same would be true of Democrats who yearn for Roman circuses.

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    J R in WV says:


    I still think Pence will be indicted real soon now, compared to the impeachment process, which won’t start until everyone around Trump is undergoing trial. He’s obviously a favorite of the Russian state, else Paul Manafort wouldn’t have hired him…

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    Brachiator says:


    According to both Mexico and Canada, Mexico, instead of limiting the negotiations to just US/Mexico issues, struck a deal on all the issues, and kept Canada informed.

    Canada and Mexico are trying to get around Trump. Trump keeps trying to fuck things up and look like a Big Man to his supporters.

    Maybe things will work out as other countries realize that they have to play act for Trump’s benefit. But it makes things doubly difficult.

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    Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman) says:


    My laptop is about to die, in order to boot it I have to check enter to disregard the fact that the fan is toast. I keep on keeping on though because I am a cheapskate.

    If it’s a Dell or Lenovo, download the service manual for your model.
    If you’re not fumble-fingered and keep track of which fiddly screw goes where, they’re not that difficult to work on.
    If you’re lucky, the Heatsink/Fan is still available for sale if you need to replace it as opposed to just blowing out all of the dust.
    If not, set it to run the most aggressive power saving scheme you can.

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    Jay says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    No more than 3,000 people attend Netroots Nation,

    Comiccon attracts over 170,000,

    The Democratic Party Convenyion pulls in 4700 delegates alone.

    DKos get’s viewed around 200,000 time a day, many are return views and comments loading on threads, so maybe as high as 50,000 readers. Roughly 1/4 of the readership arn’t American voters. It’s never had more than 12,000 “members” and as the Great Purge showed, a lot of them were bots and trolls.

    Over 65,000,000 voted for Hillary Clinton.

    Top 10,000 Lefty Blogs have some influence and fundraising abilities, but they arn’t the Base, and they don’t drive policy.

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    Jay says:


    I don’t think the US Trade Team even talks to Donny Dollhands. Somebody on his staff is tasked with telling him “it’s going great! Bigly Winning”, then orders the kitchen to give him 3 scoops of icecream tonight.

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    J R in WV says:


    Hell, we come closer to reality than Daily Kos does. Way closer

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    rikyrah says:

    Go to YouTube
    Put in the following names with Aretha Franklin
    Ron Is key
    Faith Hill
    Shirley Ceasar
    Gladys Knight
    Stevie Wonder
    Yolanda Adams
    The Clark Sisters
    Bishop TD Jakes
    Tyler Perry
    Cicely Tyson
    Rev. William Barber
    Judge Greg Mathis
    Isiah Thomas
    Jesse Jackson
    Rev.Al Sharpton
    Bill Clinton
    Marvin Sapp
    Smokey Robinson
    Aretha’s grandchildren

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    philpm says:

    @Kay (not the front-pager): Not voluntary, but not unexpected or unwelcome either. Been looking at getting out of my job for a while, and our customer decided to shut us down and send our work to another shop. My company has lost so many accounts locally there was no where else to put me or one of my coworkers. As one final FU to us, they changed the severance policy on August 1 to where once you get over 10 years service, the max severance you can get is 8 weeks. It was a week a year before that, so the 21 weeks I was hoping for didn’t happen.

    Still going to take a month off before I start seriously looking. I need the break.

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    philpm says:

    @Steeplejack: Fired. Shop closed, work moved, no where locally to put me, so my 21 years experience are no more.

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    Steeplejack says:


    No Jasper Williams? I hear he got the biggest reaction of all. 🙄

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    Steeplejack says:


    Bummer. Hope you land on your feet. Reach out for help here if you need it. Lots of good advice, maybe even some connections.

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    brettvk says:

    @Brachiator: I think investigations would certainly in order, but even better might be a vigorous program of Medicare-for-All, tax reform, education and infrastructure funding, etc. The shitgibbon will veto anything that reaches his desk — let him. A thousand 2020 ads will bloom.

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    Jerry says:

    Bring up Hulu and watch episode 8 of Castle Rock. You want shit happening? Then there you go.

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    JAFD says:

    @Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman): You may want to check if there’s lint and stuf clogging the fan. Had to take this old Toshiba, get a utility knife and pliers, chop off the ‘grill’ over the fan, get long pointy tweezers, clean it out.

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