Russiagate Open Thread: Poor Little Confuzzled Don McGahn

There’s always a cynic. Here’s Emptywheel — “Why Would Don McGahn (and His Lawyer) Cooperate in a Piece Claiming He Cooperated with Mueller (on Obstruction)?”:

While he has bolloxed most of the things White House Counsels are supposed to do (like keeping the White House out of legal and ethical trouble), he has had unsurpassed success at stacking the courts. I doubt there’s an ideological Republican in the country who isn’t thrilled with McGahn’s success at stacking the courts. Indeed (this becomes important in just a bit), McGahn’s success at stacking the courts is one of the biggest reasons why Republicans in Congress put up with the rest of Trump’s shit. Being President, for many Republicans, isn’t about governing; it’s about stacking the courts.

It turns out, though, that McGahn had another job before he became an expert court-stacker. For decades, Don McGahn has been one of the Republican party’s key campaign finance lawyers…

Don McGahn had come to prominence in the party at the NRCC and was rewarded for it with a seat on the FEC, where he made campaign finance more slushy.

But probably not slushy enough…

…[A]t least three of the areas where Mueller’s team might find a conspiracy with Russia (or other foreigners) to win the election involve campaign finance issues — Don McGahn’s expertise. Those are:

– Whether knowingly employing British Cambridge Analytica employees without getting them proper visas constitutes illegal foreign influence?

– Whether accepting a Trump Tower meeting with Russians offering dirt on Hillary Clinton constitutes accepting a thing of value?

– Whether the campaign was sufficiently firewalled from the dodgy shit Roger Stone was doing (which has been a focus of the last six months of Mueller’s time)?…

More interesting speculation at the link.






93 replies
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    Steeplejack says:

    On the desktop site, where is the switch to toggle between desktop and mobile?

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    They are all crooked, all of them. In my eyes anyone who willingly decides to work for T is a crook, hater or wannabe crook or hater. The burden of guilt to prove that they are worthy human beings despite working for T is on them.

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    @schrodingers_cat:
    I agree that everyone working for Trump should be presumed to be despicable, but there are lots of ways to be despicable, and it can be useful to figure out what area of awfulness each one specializes in. Of course some of them are generalists who manage to be awful in multiple disciplines.

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    tobie says:

    I’m glad Drezner has picked up on emptywheel’s posts on this subject. I linked to her Twitter feed on a thread last night because it seemed like what Maggie Haberman and Mike Schmidt were reporting was the narrative McGahn had fed them. Does Haberman do any research for her articles? It didn’t take long for empty wheel to dig up this gem on McGahn’s history blocking an investigation into TrumpWorld in 2011:

    A four-page complaint filed by Shawn Thompson of Tampa, Fla., accused Trump of illegally funneling corporate money from his Trump Organization into an organization called ShouldTrumpRun.com. McGahn and fellow FEC Republicans Caroline Hunter and Matthew Petersen voted to block FEC staff recommendations that Trump be investigated in the matter—designated Matter Under Review (MUR) 6462.

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    Ruckus says:

    @schrodingers_cat:
    Yes.
    It’s not a difficult test.
    Did you work in any way for the shitgibbon?
    Yes, “Off with their heads!”
    How can they work for him and be a worthy human being?

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    Ruckus says:

    @Roger Moore:

    Of course some of them are generalists who manage to be awful in multiple disciplines.

    Wouldn’t that be the reason that the shitgibbon wanted them in the first place?

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    The Pale Scot says:

    I’m taking a Sabbath day from politics, here’s a video stream of BBCtwo, just food, places, eccentricities. No pings from security software, no commercials

    BBC2

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    debbie says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Ambition should be made the Eighth Deadly Sin.

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    @tobie:

    Does Haberman do any research for her articles?

    Of course Maggie “The Stenographer” Haberman does research. Transcribing what somebody tells you counts as research, doesn’t it?

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    dmsilev says:

    Speaking of poor little confused lawyers-of-Shitgibbon, Giuliani’s explorations of metaphysical epistemology this morning are worth a mention. ‘Truth is not truth’ sums up so much of this era.

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    Ruckus says:

    There are only 3 reasons that someone works for the shitgibbon.
    1. They believe in him or what he says.
    2. They are dishonest in some way that is useful to the shitgibbon, and useful enough that he’s actually willing to see that they get paid by someone. And they either believe in him or at least what they think they can get out of him.
    3. The are willfully ignorant. And believe in him or what he says.

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    @Ruckus:

    Wouldn’t that be the reason that the shitgibbon wanted them in the first place?

    I think he’s chosen some of them for their expertise in one particular brand of awful and any skills outside that area are just a bonus. For example, I’m sure he chose Scot Pruitt to overturn environmental regulations; the generalized corruption was a distraction from his main mission.

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    The Other Chuck says:

    @debbie: Covered by Pride/Hubris, don’t you think?

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @dmsilev: I would contribute to a gofundme for the TV-bot who gets fired for finally saying to Giuliani, “Jesus, you lie so much and so badly I feel like one of your wives”

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    Felanius Kootea says:

    OT: I have been reading about Jimmy Taylor, the 69 year old Trumpanzee Evangelical and missionary from Arizona who physically attacked hotel workers in Uganda and called them the n-word all in a bid to have them “obey” him and to bring them to Jesus. Uganda is 85% Christian by the way – the British did an excellent job with the colonial brainwashing, and American Evangelicals have supplemented those original teachings by helping Ugandan Christian politicians pass laws banning gays, but that’s a story for another day.

    In the video, the hotel workers show remarkable restraint – the one man he punches several times restrains himself because his co-worker keeps begging him in Swahili not to fight back (presumably afraid for their jobs if they react with their guts instead of their heads). When the Ugandan police arrest him, he fights them too (that is not caught on tape). He’ll probably get a slap on the wrist and quiet deportation back to Arizona, but this is how you win hearts and minds worldwide, Trump style. (He has a Facebook page where he has demonstrated his support for Trump)

    Oh, he blamed the attack in Uganda on stress, and PTSD from his work as a marine during the Vietnam War.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @dmsilev:
    We’ve all been questioning Giuliani’s competence as a lawyer. Maybe we should have been questioning his sanity too.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Roger Moore:
    The shitgibbon wants what he wants and that is the perfect want, whenever he wants it.
    Really, the republican party has been trying to destroy the government at the very least starting with Ronnie, so that they can get their theft of everything not tied down, and a lot that is, on. They want to pay no taxes. They don’t give a shit about anyone else paying taxes but haven’t yet figured out a solid way to do that, without having to pay a lot of accountants and tax lawyers. They want, not government small enough to drown in a tub, they want it small enough to drown in a thimble. Nixon wanted that his entire career, so that’s back to at least the end of WWII. They have worked the propaganda end for decades to get support for ending the government. And they’ve managed to get an indecent amount of the general public to go along with the concept that the government is screwing everyone for themselves. They’ve built the idea that the government is this entity that is not the people but some force that is stealing from the people. It’s entirely misdirection. They are stealing not just money but an entire country. They are stealing people’s lives.
    Anyone who works for this end is exactly the opposite of what they claim. shitgibbon’s only difference is that he’s too dumb to say it quietly.

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    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon says:

    @debbie: Try Taoism – now there’s a philosophy/religion that takes a strong stance against ambition and hubris.

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    Suzanne says:

    @dmsilev: Rudy Giuliani just flummoxes me. Anybody who believes this shit in the slightest flummoxes me. How are people this fucken* deluded?

    *the Vicente Fox spelling is how this word will be spelled forever

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    Ruckus says:

    @Amir Khalid:
    It’s Giuliani’s competence as a human that’s the problem.

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    Felanius Kootea says:

    OT: I have been reading about Jimmy Taylor, the 69 year old Trumpanzee Evangelical and missionary from Arizona who physically attacked hotel workers in Uganda and called them the n-word all in a bid to have them “obey” him and to bring them to Jesus. Uganda is 85% Christian by the way – the British did an excellent job with the colonial brainwashing, and American Evangelicals have supplemented those original teachings by helping Ugandan Christian politicians pass laws banning gays, but that’s a story for another day.

    In the video, the hotel workers show remarkable restraint – the one man he punches several times restrains himself because his co-worker keeps begging him in Swahili not to fight back (presumably afraid for their jobs if they react with their guts instead of their heads). When the Ugandan police arrest him, he fights them too (that is not caught on tape). He’ll probably get a slap on the wrist and quiet deportation back to Arizona but this is how you win hearts and minds worldwide, Trump style.

    Oh, he blames the attack on stress, PTSD, and his former work as a marine.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Amir Khalid: he’s crazy like a doorknob (old joke from Cheers). He keeps the trumpenproletariat riled up which keeps Susan Collins and Rob Portman and Li’l Marco in line. It’s all about giving the corrupt, the cowardly and the complicit an excuse, however flimsy, to pretend they don’t think trump conspired with the Russians and then obstructed justice.
    ETA: and I believe it’s personal for Giuliani. I’ll be very surprised if all this digging into Russian activity in NYC doesn’t turn up something about Rudi’s own less entirely legal business dealings, completely unrelated to trump and 2016

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    Aleta says:

    His specialty right out of the gate from law school was campaign finance law. From what I’ve read about his career and the cases he argued (first for the party and then to get T elected), his life has been a beeline to arrive where he is now. Sudden desire around December to do the right thing? Now a urine trail shows up between him and doing the right thing—who could the leaker be?

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    Felanius Kootea says:

    Sorry for the double post – i’ve been having problems with the site today.

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    Mary G says:

    I’m wondering if he isn’t just another one of the people Trump attracts – crooked and too stupid and prideful to cover it up. I hope Mueller can disabuse them of the notion that obeying the rules of law is for suckers, but I’m not hopeful.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Suzanne:
    They’ve grown up believing in this shit. They’ve been raised, praised and lied to their entire lives about life and their place in it.
    They think they are superior. Even in the face of overwhelming proof to the opposite. They have to believe that there are inferior people or their lives have no value. They don’t have the tools to understand otherwise. They have been trained that everything in the world is zero sum, if someone else has something they can’t. It’s like they want an iPhone but if anyone else has the one, they can’t. It’s nonsensical at the very least. But the statement that we are all equal just does not compute with them. It can’t be true, it isn’t possible that they are equal to the Ugandan’s that @Felanius Kootea: wrote about. Those people are heathens. And black. How can he be equal to them? It’s American exceptionalism carried to an extreme.

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    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho says:

    He’s a bog standard GOP thug, but he’s smart and not inclined to go to jail. Walter Shaub explains it nicely on twitter here. McGahn’s agenda overlaps with Trump’s except when it doesn’t, and McGahn’s for McGahn. Without an assertion of executive privilege, he cooperates, which suits him fine.

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    Calouste says:

    @Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: And McGhan doesn’t think the shitgibbon is going to keep him out of jail. That’s the main takeaway here IMO, even a lawyer that close to the shitgibbon doesn’t think he will be able to pull off the dictatorship that he so craves for.

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    @Ruckus:
    I don’t think they really want government that’s small enough to drown in a thimble. Different wings of the Party want to do away with various parts of the government, but they’re all happy to keep large parts of it still around.

    The kleptocratic wing of the party mostly hates the welfare state because that money is going to poor people and government employees. The rest of the government they don’t so much want to get rid of so much as they want to outsource it- private prisons, mercenaries, defense contracts, etc.- as a way of providing grifting opportunities for the rich and well-connected. They hate capital gains taxes but would be more than happy to raise taxes on wages as a way of paying for it all.

    The racist wing of the party would like to keep around just about any part of the government that isn’t required to help non-whites. They certainly don’t want to do away with the criminal justice system, ICE, the military, or any other part of the government that is capable of making life miserable for Those People. Their ideal world would have a robust, whites-only welfare state, though they’re willing to compromise with the kleptocrats on no welfare state at all if it means non-whites suffer. Their primary objection to taxes is that they’re going to help undeserving people; they’d be willing to pay them if they knew brown people wouldn’t get a penny.

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    @Suzanne:

    Rudy Giuliani just flummoxes me. Anybody who believes this shit in the slightest flummoxes me.

    You don’t seriously think he believes this stuff, do you? He’s just bullshitting. He’ll say whatever he thinks will help him win the news cycle, or at least make it through the interview.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: So McGahn is a conservative ideologue who wants permanent one party rule by destroying anything that would obstruct that goal?

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    sukabi says:

    @schrodingers_cat: now to be fair when your organization has embraced criminal activities for select individuals for decades, it’s not easy to determine when the entire organization has become a criminal enterprise. And that is the GOPs dilemma now.

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    raven says:

    Shit, we had a hail storm here in July and I never thought to look at the cars or the roof for damage. Friday I looked at the two newer cars and they both have damage on the hood and roof and the Lexus on the trunk. I took the van in and the dude said “they will just total both these and send you the difference between the value and deductible. By the time I got home USAA sent me a note that I’m getting $900 for the van. They are going to look at the Lexus next and I suspect it will be in that area since it’s a 2002. The worst thing is that I just went out on the roof and a big section is pock marked and, when I hit the google, THAT is hail damage. Add that to several broken windows and damn. Of course we have a $2k deduct on the house!

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    sukabi says:

    @Roger Moore: nah, Rudy is in so deep at this point his only option is to BELIEVE!

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    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho says:

    @Yutsano: Pretty much yeah, exactly that, as I see it. See this at LawFare.

    Nice to see you! I’ve missed everyone.

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    FelonyGovt says:

    I’m hoping Rudy’s “the truth is not the truth” becomes an iconic statement emblematic of this era. Kind of like “I’m not a crook”.

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    sukabi says:

    @Roger Moore: nitpicking a bit, it doesn’t change the narrative a bit by using their terminology…don’t use “welfare state” to describe social programs that enable people to move out of poverty. Those programs are social insurance that have been paid into by EVERYBODY to keep communities from drowning in despair. And yes, by contributing your tax monies you are entitled to draw on that insurance when you’re in need.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @Amir Khalid: I, for one, have no question about his sanity. I’m sure he’s nuts.

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    FelonyGovt says:

    I’m hoping Rudy’s “the truth is not the truth” becomes an iconic statement emblematic of this era. Kind of like “I’m not a crook”.

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    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho says:

    @raven: Man, that sucks. I’ll stop whining about how hot it’s been here all summer. I hope you had a good reunion and a great time fishing. The convoy picture was amazing. I’d love to see the one outside your tent with your buds also too.

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    Sandia Blanca says:

    @Suzanne: I endorse your endorsement of the Vicente Fox spelling. He is a great gadfly.

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    Suzanne says:

    @FelonyGovt: We need to make it a meme. Never let these people hide from the shame they deserve.

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    J R in WV says:

    @raven:

    All of you folks with hail damage should think about replacing damaged roofs with sheet metal roofing. My roofing/farming/construction buddy quit building shingle roofs for people years ago and did sheet metal roofs until he quit construction to devote all his time and effort to farming.

    “I haven’t bought pork or beef since 1992!” he says. Metal roofs may get bumpy looking, but they don’t often get holes from hail, and they also don’t catch fire from little burning airborne embers and branches. He helped me put a sheet metal roof on the last building I built, the small home/winter cabin in AZ, where fire is the biggest danger. The soffits and all are all covered with metal, and the walls are finished with inch-thick Portland-based stucco.

    If your shingle roof is damaged by what seems to be “normal” weather of our times, don’t compound the error by putting new shingles down… just to see them damaged next summer.

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    MagdaInBlack says:

    @raven:
    Those vehicles are both old enough you can retain ownership. Take the cash, keep the perfectly drivable vehicles.
    Maybe find a PDR guy who will take a little cash to remove the worst of it. Or not.

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    Suzanne says:

    @J R in WV: You can also do standing-seam metal or clay tile.

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    raven says:

    @J R in WV: We’re in a historic district and metal is a no-no. This is anew roof that was put on when we added on.

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    James E Powell says:

    @tobie:

    because it seemed like what Maggie Haberman and Mike Schmidt were reporting was the narrative McGahn had fed them.

    This is what Haberman has been doing since 2016. She’s made a great success of it. Why change?

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    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho says:

    @raven: Youth! All you guys look so carefree, and you’re in the Nam. Thanks much!

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    Doug R says:

    Any way this blog and Marcy Wheeler could combine? Maybe get a top 9,999 blog out of the deal?

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    raven says:

    @MagdaInBlack: I went to the dent removal dudes, they were really nice and told me to take the money. We’re in the process of buying a new used van at carmax and will either take the pittance they offer or sell it on craglist. I’ve got a good amount of money in the lexus so, even though the body is rough, it should run for quite some time. The retiree wants something she doesn’t have to worry about and, despite mediocre reviews, we really like the last two Dodge/Chrysler vans we’ve had. Nothing like he stow and go seats!

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    The Dangerman says:

    @sukabi:

    nah, Rudy is in so deep at this point his only option is to BELIEVE!

    Well, Rudy will tread water and BELIEVE as long as the checks clear; the second Donald floats one on him, he’s back on shore.

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    raven says:

    @Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: 50 years and I was probably high as the cost of living! Plus I was really short then!

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @raven: Live with it, if it is just sheet metal. Our workhorse RAV4 and Prius got “Colorado texturing” in the same storm that wasted the local mall. Windows didn’t break, so it’s all good.

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    I spent a couple hours trying to put my books in the sidebar of my blog with links to Amazon. I lost the battle and decided to throw in the towel for today. I am considering day drinking.

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    Kelly says:

    @J R in WV: Our home came with a standing seam steel roof. I liked it for all the advantages you mentioned. I do not like getting up on it to clean the valleys and gutters. In summer it’s slick from dust and pollen. In winter slick from rain. I wait for the first sunny day after a hard rain when it’s clean and dry.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @J R in WV: What would baseball sized hail do to a standing seam roof?

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    raven says:

    @A Ghost To Most: Yea, I just figured I’d take the $ since I’ve been paying for comprehensive on three vehicles that don’t need it!

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    I just want this all to be over…

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    MagdaInBlack says:

    This is nice….

    Peter Wehner
    @Peter_Wehner
    Mr. Trump was emotionally/psychologically unwell when he became president. His condition is clearly worsening. He’s becoming more volatile, erratic and unstable. At some point he’s going to blow apart. When he does it’ll create a crisis. This won’t end well. Pray for our country.
    7:12 PM – Aug 18, 2018

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    YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S) says:

    @Steeplejack: I suspect you will need to manually switch http headers for User-Agent so Word Press changes formats.

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    MagdaInBlack says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:
    Nice day for vodka tonics 😉

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    @Steeplejack: is it not all the way at the bottom? You may need to squish the window to get it to appear.

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    @MagdaInBlack: If chardonnay is good enough for Hillary, it’s good enough for me.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Roger Moore:
    People do believe this bullshit.
    Giuliani is a has been. And he likes the spotlight. A place at odds if you will. But he’s old and life gets different as you age. Something about your best days being behind you. People like the shitgibbon and Giuliani, they’d like to think their best days are the one they are living today. But that reality of age kicks you in the balls every day, like it or not. Neither one of them is getting better and they damn well know it. Neither one of them is capable of saying this or even thinking it might be true. But in their groins, they know because of that kick they get every day. Most of us accept that life is this way, you lose capabilities, it’s just the way it is. But these two goons don’t have nor can they find the tools to accept that, because they are both broken. Badly. Denial is not just a big river. And they know no other way than to bullshit and bluster their way through. But this is and has been their way for so long, they no longer have any idea that this is what they are doing.
    What we are seeing is two mediocre old men who value the spotlight more than anything else, who shouldn’t be anywhere near one. Neither one of them may have been born idiots, but effectively this is what they are. Because they can’t see the reality around them. This too is the republican party, they want a completely different reality than life. They think they can demand it, and to some extent they can, under the circumstances.

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    MagdaInBlack says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:
    I’m having ice tea myself. *clink* 😎

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    James E Powell says:

    This is the republican party, they want a completely different reality than life. They think they can demand it, and to some extent they can, under the circumstances.

    We should not lose sight of the fact that despite their ignorance and moral depravity, they get and do whatever they want and unless and until we turn the senate & house, they will continue to do so.

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    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon says:

    @Major Major Major Major: FSM willing…

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    YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S) says:

    Ah, I assumed he meant a literal desktop PC.@YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S): @Major Major Major Major: I don’t see it on the bottom of my android phone screen, but I can just untoggle the three dot menu item near the bottom of the list. You may have to scroll the screen to get the menu bar on top.

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    Here’s a pic you’ll never see in real life(third in a series), the Milky Way over the lights of Downtown LA, a bonus meteor has been included for your visual entertainment.

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    Ruckus says:

    @James E Powell:
    Was going for that, but thought I didn’t need to be too obvious. Most of us know where we are as a country politically these days, and what we have to do to change that.
    I hope that it also brings some more concepts of what the job really is and what kind of person is required to do it so that we don’t keep going down the same roads that we have been for decades. But, and it’s a big, firm, round but, we will need to have a national discussion of what we are looking for as a country, derail at least the majority of the bigotry and money worship above all else that so many of our fellow citizens are guilty of, and figure out a way that if we are going to call it equal representation, then we have to mean it and fix it, and possibly some civics classes for the country. As a start.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    At the very bottom is a black bar with the copyright and “Enfold theme by Kriesi.” (Desktop, Android, Chrome.) Facebook and Twitter icons to the far right.

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    That’s amazing. Did you Photoshop the Milky Way over LA?

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    @Steeplejack: It probably doesn’t show up as an option unless it detects a mobile device, then. As for why it’s not detecting you as being on a mobile device, who knows?

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    zhena gogolia says:

    I was tooling along in my ’99 Honda Civic today, contemplating what brought down John Edwards. Wasn’t it using campaign contributions to pay off a mistress? Hasn’t DJT done that like six times already, not to mention all his other heinous crimes? What will end this reign of terror????

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    Steeplejack says:

    @YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S):

    Okay, that’s where it is! I remembered it being somewhere in a menu, but I thought it was in a menu on the page (like Quick Links). Jesus.

    The only problem now is that I am using the desktop version but the desktop choice in the three-dot menu is unchecked. I guess I’ll fiddle around with it later. Thanks for the memory jog!

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    YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S) says:

    @Steeplejack: I should have tagged you in this response @YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S): Look for the 3 dot menu and the desktop toggle item

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    @Baud:

    Did you Photoshop the Milky Way over LA?

    Yes, actually the foreground was photoshopped over the Milky Way. The Milky Way was taken last weekend at Arroyo Hondo(near Gaviota); 12mm, f/2, ISO 400, and 20 seconds. The foreground was taken on a Glendale Photo Group shoot last month at Elysian Fields(north and above Dodger Stadium); 16mm, f/8, ISO 100, and 8 seconds.

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    Thoughtful David says:

    @MagdaInBlack:
    It’s also bullshit. He’s acting the way he has for many years. This is people trying to lay the groundwork for later saying “Well, he wasn’t really a Republican, and besides, he was unwell, so he doesn’t actually represent Republicans and conservatism.” It’s bullshit, and they need to own it.

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: It’s a beautiful composition.

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    Another Scott says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Nice.

    I like the “l” in Glendale, also too. :-)

    Thanks for sharing.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S) says:

    @Roger Moore: I prefer Popehat’s explanation. https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1031234895627005952
    That Rudy manages to present the worst possible argument. Somewhere back in time Popehat had a good assessment of a perjury trap and why telling the truth as you remember it may not work. Rudy just mangled the argument so badly as to make it absurd.

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    @Steeplejack: huh, weird that it’s so different between iPhone and android (but then I haven’t spent much time learning about the inner workings of the mobile theme).

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    YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S) says:

    @Steeplejack: @Major Major Major Major: The toggle switch works on my phone. You may have a cache issue.

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    joel hanes says:

    @Ruckus:

    possibly some civics classes for the country

    We have to figure out a defense against Fox News and Sinclair, which together account for at least half of what’s gone wrong with Republicanism over the last thirty years.

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    @Baud: Thanks!

    @Another Scott: Thanks, I wondered if anyone would notice that. That’s an outline of the Alex Theater here in town.

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    sharl says:

    LOL.

    Oh. Roger Stone says he's going to sue me. Here's the post that set the old rat-fucker off. https://t.co/lP3nGl8JFr pic.twitter.com/eb8x7RXmi8— emptywheel (@emptywheel) August 19, 2018

    My attorney has already started popping corn about deposing Roger Stone. 🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿— emptywheel (@emptywheel) August 19, 2018

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S):

    I haven’t mashed the switch yet. I was just reporting on its current display.

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    Ruckus says:

    @joel hanes:
    Everyone involved with faux and sinotclear have to take 2000 hrs of instruction in civics and government. There will be a test at the end and not passing will bar them from the broadcasting business for 10 yrs. And they will be on probation for 5 yrs after. Ten if they piss me off.

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    Joseph A. Miller says:

    @Ruckus: Hear hear!!

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    J R in WV says:

    @A Ghost To Most:

    I’m not sure what baseball sized hail would do to a standing seam roof. But given that these roofs are applied over solid wood backing, I think you would get small dents in places, with no leakage. The standing seams themselves may be more prone to bending damage.

    My metal roofs are flat with several grooves on each side and one down the middle. The edge grooves are overlapped to stop water from moving horizontally. Enough bent metal might allow water to move under the top sheet. We’ve never had baseball sized hail here.

    We lived briefly in a old circa-1910 brick house with original clay tile on the roof in the late 1970s as we searched for our rural property. There was a big old oak tree on the property line. The tree was hit by lightning during a thunderstorm, I was alone in the house working on light remodeling. I literally thought there had been an attack, there was a huge flash of light, an enormous crash of sound, then the house shook.

    That was the oak tree rolling around on the roof, reducing about a quarter of the tile to broken crumbs. It cost several thousands of dollars to fix the quarter of the roof that was damaged, the insurance company was, rueful, when I sent them the bill.

    Tip, to get around on a slick roof, use big foam pads to walk on (like couch cushions without the upholstery). That’s how the elderly roofer and his guys dealt with the tile roof without breaking old or new tiles. It was hard to get the work done, only one tile and slate roofer left back then, although the historical district has helped keep that style of roofing in business.

    The newer tile roofs in the SW are quite a bit different from the antique style tile roofs here in WV.

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    J R in WV says:

    Late back to this dead thread, to add a little about another roof technology.

    Another different type of roof is made of structural insulated panels, a foam core sandwiched between two layers of building material, usually Oriented-Strand Board. Some are manufactured with metal sheets on each side, especially when intended for a roof. Friends in SE AZ have a really nice straw bale home, coated with three layers of portland-based stucco.

    Their roof is SIPs, made with copper sheet metal on both sides. It makes for a beautiful roof/ceiling on the house, with south-facing windows between the two different roof layers.

    I was out in AZ in June back when we were first started on building our little SIP building, to meet with the guy hired for site prep and septic installation. I had dinner with him and his wife, wrote the last check, then drove from the north end of the Sulfur Springs Valley to the Straw Bale House, where my cousin was house sitting. The Valley was filled with violent thunderstorms all around me as I drove the 40 odd miles.

    It was pretty much dark by the time I got “home” to the straw bale house, and I had missed all the thunderstorms so far on the drive. Not long after we all went to bed, the first of many storms passed over the house, with nickel sized hale. I had expected the SIP roof foam to deaden the sound of weather. Nope~!~ It amplified it, if anything. It was like being inside a drum kit while being played at a live show.

    The dogs were petrified, and I slept with one hand draped over the dog that found my guest bedroom. I managed to sleep, but I don’t think the dogs slept for more than 3 or 4 minutes between storms. So copper-clad foam-core SIPs are NOT good acoustically. No, no no!!!

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