Saturday Evening Open Thread

I still haven’t done all the laundry today. Those are the old sheets you see on the bed. But the cats will be getting up soon (and here comes Zooey!) for their dinner.

Here are some security thoughts about last night’s incident at Sea-Tac.

And the last important point:

There’s also a new book out that some of you may be interested in. I will read it at some time in the near future. Might be something for Major Major Major Major if we can get off his back long enough on the difficulties with the site.

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    Oh that does look kind of fun. I’m reading The Quantum Thief right now, which several here recommended.

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    You can post! (I could not earlier.)

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    Corner Stone says:

    Might be something for Major Major Major Major if we can get off his back long enough on the difficulties with the site.

    I’ve been away for a few days but haven’t noticed anyone on his or Alain’s back. Frustrated people are frustrated, film at 11.

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    Corner Stone says:

    Wow. First time to lose my nym and email in comments box. I am feeling persecuted, and specifically singled out for punishment.

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    brendancalling says:

    My cat, Mrs. Dracula, suddenly lost her ability to walk the day before I left town for a month with my teenager. The vet gave us antiobiotics in the hope it was a bacterial infection. My girlfriend has been taking care of her in my absence, and last night she called with the bad news that after a week or so of improvement, Mrs. D was in a steady decline that was getting worse by the day. So today she took her to the vet and while our kitty isn’t suffering anymore, the rest of us sure are.

    It hurts to say goodbye: https://youtu.be/SJquCcBvkXE

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    I’ve read some criticism of the airport tower and ground crews, but what exactly can they do if an unauthorized plane starts toward a runway?

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    YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S) says:

    @Corner Stone: Welcome to the hoi polloi.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S): But I paid good money for this seat!

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    NotMax says:

    @Corner Stone

    I am feeling persecuted, and specifically singled out for punishment.

    In other words, a day with a “y” in it?

    No wait – that’s my life.

    ;)

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    satby says:

    @brendancalling: condolences brendancalling. It’s got to be especially hard that it happened while you were gone, but at least she isn’t suffering any longer.

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    YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S) says:

    I saw this erupt live on twitter. Then looked for local news live coverage. It seemed like forever. Of course it was Friday evening and the early reports were sketchy. At least when they went live the reporting was reasonably calm.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @brendancalling: My sincerest condolences.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @John Revolta: They can’t. From what I can tell from listening to the audio, the air traffic controllers did everything right. Including trying to keep the guy calm, talk him into listening to pilots who could talk him through safely landing, etc. When someone decides they’re going to do something harmful – directed at themselves, at others, or both – it is very hard to stop them.

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    brendancalling says:

    @satby: That’s exactly my mindset right now.

    I’d want someone to do that for me if I was suffering with no end in sight, but it still sucks.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    President Donald Trump added to the drama behind former White House aide Omarosa Manigault Newman’s soon-to-be-released memoir after a “Bikers for Trump” photo-op in Bedminster, New Jersey Saturday.
    During a White House pool spray, Trump responded to a shouted question about Manigault Newman and her book— which claims that there are tapes of Trump using the N-word — by calling her a “lowlife.”
    She’s a lowlife,” Trump said, before stepping back into the crowd.

    she is, kinda, and that’s why you hired her for high-level position in the White House, and why you enjoyed having her around.

    She’s a goof and a screwball, and I would listen to her with even more skepticism than Cohen or Stone or any of the other cranks and crooks who surround him. But what are the odds that she doesn’t know anything incriminating just from having been in the building. Why make her more angry and bring her more attention?

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    CaseyL says:

    @brendancalling: I’m so sorry!

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    Bruuuuce says:

    @brendancalling: So sorry. It’s hard enough to say goodbye; if you aren’t there, it’s an order of magnitude worse, in my experience. (I once missed a cat’s last breath by five minutes, coming home from work.)

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @John Revolta: Additionally, given that the interceptors didn’t bring him down, I would guesstimate that the air traffic controllers who had recognized he was suicidal and were still trying to talk him into attempting to land conveyed to the F-15Cs what was going on. Which would explain the restraint. Given how close this was to Joint Base Lewis-McCord, the commanding general (also the I Corps Commander) could have arranged with the air wing commander assigned there to clear the Lewis-McCord runways and they could have tried to get the guy to land there. Well away from Sea-Tac and all the airplanes stuck on the ground as a result of the ground stop.

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    gene108 says:

    Witnessed a gem of driving stupidly last night.

    Driving back from dialysis and stopped at the light near my home on the local road. My local road intersects a state route. I have to cross the state route to get home.

    Guy on the state route realizes the light has turned red and he won’t beat the light through the intersection – he was trying though, going pretty fast – and instead of sucking it up and running the red light, like a normal person, he slams on the brakes and stops in the middle of the intersection.

    And just sits there.

    My light is green and I venture into the intersection thinking he would back up or go through the intersection. But he just sits there blocking it.

    Flash my high beams at him and he finally backs up, as might light is turning red.

    As no one got hurt, it was mildly amusing.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @brendancalling:

    Sorry to hear it. You have my deep condolences.

    I’m getting a twinge because I’m going out of town for three weeks in September. The housecat will be visited daily by a person I trust greatly, but she (the housecat, not the wrangler) is old (18) and skinny, and she is used to the concierge-level service of our usual arrangement.

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    Jeffro says:

    Currently hanging at the Springfield Mall Dave and busters for mini me‘s birthday …oh for the days when arcade games were quarter each !!

    (TRON, Tempest, Galaga…where are you??)

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    Quinerly says:

    @brendancalling: so, so sorry for your loss.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Corner Stone:

    and specifically singled out for punishment.

    With good reason.

    [and yeah, it doesn’t remember my nym; Chrome on Win7.]

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    @Adam L Silverman: My sense is that the air traffic controllers did the right thing. I also have the impression that the F-15 pilots were trying to move him away from populated areas.

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    NotMax says:

    @Jeffro

    What, no Zaxxon? No Asteroids?

    :)

    Dragon’s Lair was the exception, shockingly needing to be fed 50¢!

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    West of the Rockies says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I will be glad when she returns to semi-oblivion (where she can join Palin, The Nuge, Victoria Jackson, etc.)

    If she is currently causing Trump irritation or embarrassment, I guess that’s a net plus.

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    EBT says:

    @NotMax: Zaxxon was fucking baller. Ever see a Discs of Tron Environmental Cabinet?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: From reading Rogoway’s rundown it does not appear they even blew their flares. I know from listening to the ATC audio last night that the controllers were trying to do so.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @NotMax: Tempest was the best arcade game ever. This is a fact.

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    Chris T. says:

    I’m not saved either.

    Wait, that came out wrong!

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    EBT says:

    @Gin & Tonic: As far as Co-op arcade games, the late 90s early 2000s era Gauntlet entries are amazing.

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    West of the Rockies says:

    @NotMax:

    I dug Joust, Sea Wolf, and Ms PacMan.

    Back when you could play games and be a goofy, virginal dude without feeling compelled to be a misogynistic, homophobic knucklehead.

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    Poor little kids, bearing the brunt of the policies made by the reverse racoon eye in the WH.
    Teachers opened up the only elementary school in a rural Nebraska town hit by an ICE raid so children whose parents were caught had a place to go. One teacher took home a 4-month-old baby & her 7-year-old sister whose parents were arrested.
    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/hamedaleaziz/ice-raid-teachers-children-arrests-nebraska-reaction

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    @gene108: When I was driving up the freeway(the 14 for SoCal folk) a guy was going fast in the #2 lane passed the car in front of him, then passed the guy in the #1 lane by going into the carpool lane and then used the shoulder to pass the guy in the carpool lane. He came pretty close to hitting the k-rail.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Galaga. Fight me.

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    frosty says:

    B@NotMax: It was Battle Zone, with the wireframe tanks for me. Years ago (OK, maybe decades?) I got a floppy disc with BZ and Asteroids for the PC. Heaven! I stil didn’t get any better at it though. :-(

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    Corner Stone says:

    @frosty: A floppy disk! My son is already sterilizing his tools for when he opens you up for forensic examination.

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    brendancalling says:

    Thanks for the well-wishes everyone.

    It’s really sad that Mrs. Dracula died so young, but the last few months before she got sick she really WAS living her best life. So at least she had that.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Alan Rappeport @ arappeport
    STURGIS, S.D. —The founder of Bikers for Trump is mobilizing opposition to Harley-Davidson for making bikes abroad. But he’s selling Trump T-shirts made in Haiti, because American shirts are too expensive.

    Explaining the importance of domestic production, Mr. Cox said that Vietnam veterans who joined motorcycle clubs after the war were disappointed decades later when the new brake pads they needed to buy were made in Vietnam. He said that many bikers he knows are now wearing long sleeves to conceal their Harley tattoos. […]
    But even Mr. Cox, a South Carolina chain saw artist who carves trees and other objects, could not escape the realities of global supply chains and the high cost of making some products in the United States. While he used to sell American-made T-shirts, the $20 Trump shirts he was selling outside his R.V. were made in Haiti. The American-made shirts proved to be a hard sell.
    “If I get a T-shirt made in the U.S.A., it’s going to cost about $8 more,” Mr. Cox said. “I looked far and wide to try to get a shirt made in America, it’s just they get you, they gouge you.”

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    lollipopguild says:

    @gene108: We have a country full of people who do not know how to drive their car that they are driving. I constantly see people running red lights and stop signs. I have two 4 way stops in my area that are always dangerous because you never know what the morans are going to do.

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    @Corner Stone: You’ll get my punch card deck we you can take if from my cold dead hands.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Jeffro:

    When I’m watching one of those “ultimate dream house” shows and sneering at some rich A-hole with an “arcade” or game room in his too-big, badly laid out house, the little devil Steep character pops up on my shoulder and says, “What if I could get you a pristine Tempest machine?” And I shut my pie hole.

    God, I loved that game.

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    skerry says:

    @brendancalling: I am so sorry. It’s never easy to say goodbye.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Deal!
    I can’t promise he will actually “preserve” it in repose for posterity…but he’ll inspect the absolute hell out of it! He likes to take everything apart. It’s…a..uhh..gift.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @brendancalling: So sorry to hear it.

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    @NotMax: Meanwhile, at DefCon:

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    Dan B says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Also it was telling that he said that he’d probably get life in prison. It sounded like he had a temporary breakdown (IANAPsych) and snapped out once he was in the air, although the barrel rolls didn’t look very sane.

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    @Major Major Major Major: Nothing to see here, Everything Is Just Fine.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @brendancalling: OK, what’s the backstory on naming your cat Mrs. Dracula?

    My condolences that she’s gone. Am sure she had a good life with you, and under the GF’s care.

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    @Dan B: My roommate my first year of grad school was a freshman who grew up by the southern shore of Lake Washington. He said that when they were testing the 747 when he was a kid, they did barrel rolls over Lake Washington.

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    Yarrow says:

    @brendancalling: Very sorry for your loss.

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    debbie says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I understand extensive training and being prepared for all kinds of situations, but I can’t imagine this specific situation being in the mix. Am I wrong to assume last night was all improvisation?

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    debbie says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Ah, gouging. Does he mean like the U.S. steel companies jacking up their prices 30% after the steel tariffs went into effect?

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    TS (the original) says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    she is, kinda, and that’s why you hired her for high-level position in the White House, and why you enjoyed having her around.

    No-one should be described as a low-life (glad your response at least omitted the word). The president* has a level of language that uses such words as if they were discussion points in a high level memo. He is disgusting. Makes one wonder if he is equally disgusting in his personal habits.

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    ixnay says:

    @brendancalling: Oh, I am so sorry for everyone. Rest assured that you and your friend and the vet did all that could be done. Cats are extremely good at hiding even dire illnesses from us, and the results often break our hearts.

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    MagdaInBlack says:

    @Major Major Major Major:
    I was just reading that elsewhere. Really pretty stunning ( and impressive ! )

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    cynthia ackerman says:

    @frosty:

    I was a Battlezone wiz!

    Loved that game.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @TS (the original):

    Makes one wonder if he is equally disgusting in his personal habits.

    Do you mean like sitting in bed eating Big Macs, Filet O Fish and watching Fox News all night? Because I think we have that answer.
    Dude used to have somebody’s spouse on the phone, call their husband and get them to start talking about affairs. All so he could try and fuck their current wives. He walked in on 13 year olds changing. And bragged about it. I am pretty sure one doesn’t have to wonder.

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    sukabi says:

    @TS (the original): what he tweets, and his interviews, as disgusting and foul as they are, is him being on his “best behavior”. What he does and says in private is going to be magnitudes worse.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Dan B:

    Also it was telling that he said that he’d probably get life in prison.

    Of course it wasn’t a terrorist incident. It was a white guy with an Anglo name.

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    geg6 says:

    @brendancalling:

    Oh, I’m so sorry! Peace to Mrs. Dracula and to you.

    I’m about to put some cod filets and asparagus on the grill. Dusting the cod with salt, pepper, lemon pepper and Cajun seasoning and will baste it with a butter, lemon and diced green onion sauce. Mushroom pilaf on the side and coconut cream pie for dessert. The state wine and spirit store has a gorgeous lightly oaked Chardonnay on sale, so it’s perfect for a summer evening fish grill. Students move back onto campus next week so I’m trying to give myself nice things to soothe my soul.

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    Heidi Mom says:

    @brendancalling: I’m so very sorry for your loss.

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    @Dan B: The barrel roll I saw on a video wasn’t bad for a non-pilot, although he didn’t recover from it very well. Also, he started at much too low an altitude.

    @debbie: I would expect that unauthorized use of a plane, whether by terrorists or someone bent on suicide, would be part of what they practice. The situation begins unknown, so the first step is to establish communication and find out as much as they can from the pilot. Then they have to move him away from populated areas. And try to talk him into landing. Those three steps, with a backup from NORAD that can shoot the plane down if necessary, should cover a great many situations.

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    Yarrow says:

    I had the misfortune of seeing Van Jones’ show on CNN for a few minutes. Of course his show has an audience. And he’s got kind of weird round glasses that make his eyebrows look strange. Why does he have a show?

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    Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman) says:

    Yesterday I got a Nokia 6.1 phone to replace my aging Nexus 5 based on an Ars Technica review

    I bought it at Best Buy because they had a $50 off bundle offer if you buy the phone, an AT&T SIM, and a $45 airtime card, which came out to $295 with tax.

    Since I use AT&T prepaid anyway and needed to pay for next month, it worked out perfectly for me, though I did have to go to an AT&T company store to transfer service to the new nano SIM, which they did for free.

    The box was small and everything inside was nicely packaged.

    I powered it up and noticed that I had no data.
    A bit of checking revealed that the wrong APN was selected. I changed it to the correct one and was off to the races.

    The OS (Android Oreo 8.1) had May’s security update out of the box, and the June update was about a 77mb download and the phone rebooted to install it.

    The July patch was about a tenth of that size and it didn’t have to reboot to install, though it did take several minutes to complete.

    The phone was still usable during this time.

    The display is bright and clear and I haven’t noticed any real lag as of yet when multitasking.

    The build quality is superb and it feels like a premium device with its machined aluminum body and lack of plastic.

    I’m still getting used to the fingerprint reader, as I’ve never used one before.

    I prefer the 16:9 screen, so that’s not an issue for me.

    Locally, AT&T uses the 2,4 and 17 LTE bands and it’s picked up all 3 while I travel around.

    Camera quality looks good to me but I’m used to the N5’s camera, which was mediocre 5 years ago, so YMMV.

    The only annoyances so far are that the signal icon says 4G instead of LTE, despite LTE Discovery confirming that I’m on LTE band 2, and the lack of a notification light like the one on the Nexus 5.

    Oh, and if you need 2 lines, it’s a dual SIM phone.
    I have both my primary AT&T SIM and my secondary T-Mobile SIM installed, and I receive calls on both and can choose which line to use when making calls or using data.

    Overall I’m very pleased and just hope I don’t drop it before the case I ordered arrives. 😀

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @brendancalling:

    I am so very sorry, brendancalling.

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    TS (the original) says:

    @efgoldman:

    Of course it wasn’t a terrorist incident. It was a white guy with an Anglo name.

    We knew that when the plane wasn’t shot down after the fighter jets scrambled – had to be a white guy.

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    Ken says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    But what are the odds that she doesn’t know anything incriminating just from having been in the building.

    Geez, I just realized I can’t remember the name of the guy who wrote the tell-all book about the Trump WH – the one who just wandered in anywhere he wanted for nearly a year, because everyone in that clown car assumed he must have authorization and clearance.

    I’ll blame the ongoing firehose of WH f*ck-up stories for my inability to remember, not advancing old age.

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    SFBayAreaGal says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Ft. Lewis is where I was stationed. 9th Supply and Transport.

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    geg6 says:

    @Ken:

    Michael Wolf (sp?)

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @brendancalling:
    I read that with a sense of dread. My own Bianca is only four years younger than Mrs. Dracula. My condolences.

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    lamh36 says:

    Evening BJ peeps.

    Work weekend for me…LONGGGG, very busy day at work today.

    I’m finally home now though and of course hate watching Hallmark Channel.

    Darn Hallmark channel. Now I want to go to Fiji!

    Sooo…anyone here been to Fiji?

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    Brachiator says:

    @TS (the original):

    No-one should be described as a low-life

    Too late to complain about it. This is one of Trump’s favorite insults. From a breaking news story…

    “The big story that the Fake News Media refuses to report is lowlife Christopher Steele’s many meetings with Deputy A.G. Bruce Ohr and his beautiful wife, Nelly. It was Fusion GPS that hired Steele to write the phony & discredited Dossier, paid for by Crooked Hillary & the DNC,” Trump tweeted.

    The irony is that Trump probably views himself as a “lowlife.”

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    Ken says:

    @geg6: That’s it, Michael Wolff, Fire and Fury. Good Lord, it only came out seven months ago in January. Still, that’s like ten years, in Trump scandal time.

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    debbie says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Thanks, though I’d still bet his lack of flying knowledge threw them a curve.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Brachiator:
    Definitely. And Trump believes he is the best lowlife around. He is not wrong about that.

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    smedley the uncertain says:

    @Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman): Thanks for the review, I’ve been looking at that phone because the reviews and price look good. Bad news is Verizon doesn’t support it so will have to leave VZ to use it. Not a show stopper.

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    hervevillechaizelounge says:

    @brendancalling:

    So sorry about the loss of your kitty:(

    FWIW, I think the best way to honor the life of a departed pet is to rescue a new pet; perhaps your could find an orphaned baby bat to keep Mrs. Dracula’s legacy alive?

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    Corner Stone says:

    @debbie: Dude pulled an absolutely beautiful loop at way too low an altitude. I have no idea how he did that but it was a thing to watch.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman): Cool review of the Nokia phone. I will keep it in mind. I like that the phone has NFC and a fingerprint reader.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: “

    She’s a lowlife,” Trump said, before stepping back into the crowd.

    You hired her Donny,

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    WaterGirl says:

    What does it teach kids when they hear the President of the United States call someone a low-life?

    I want someone to start a study right this minute that will track kids who were of a certain age under Obama and kids who are a certain age under Trump – and track them for decades.

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    @debbie: Air traffic controllers occasionally have to talk down private aircraft when, say, a husband is a pilot, the wife is not, and the husband has a heart attack in the air. Last night’s controllers were trying to get a Q-400 pilot to talk the guy down.

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    Mike J says:

    @Jeffro:

    …oh for the days when arcade games were quarter each !!

    When I was 13 or 14, the 16 year old most beautiful blonde girl I had ever seen in my life worked at the putt putt place down the street and since I was like a little brother to her (rats) she would load up the Galaga machine with free plays.

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    Ken says:

    @WaterGirl: Sort of like the studies on long-term effects of exposure to lead.

    (Anyone else half-expecting Trump to announce that we’ll soon be able to buy leaded gasoline again?)

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    debbie says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Well, I went and found video of that loop that ended just above the water. Jeez.

    Before he crashed and died, the airline worker who authorities said stole and flew a passenger plane in the Seattle area Friday had a wide-ranging discussion with air traffic control — at one point expressing confidence in his flying ability because “I’ve played some video games.”

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Mike J:

    the 16 year old most beautiful blonde girl I had ever seen in my life worked at the putt putt place down the street and since I was like a little brother to her (rats) she would load up the Galaga machine with free plays.

    NARRATOR: I eventually married that beautiful young lady.
    Well, no, I didn’t. But you’re damned right I would have if I had been there. Galaga?! She just got way hotter in my estimation.

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    The Dangerman says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Well away from Sea-Tac and all the airplanes stuck on the ground as a result of the ground stop.

    Presumably, if he had gone towards Sea Tac again, it might have ended bad in a different way for him. I haven’t heard how fast the interception was (and wonder why Portland and not McCord or Whidbey?)

    And planes in the air could just stay at altitude, so they weren’t at risk. My concern would have been something nice and static, I mean, he was seconds from Tacoma Narrows the whole time.

    Thinking out loud, if he had made a run for the Olympics and went at Banghor, that might have been another way to have this end badly. I don’t know what Banghor has up their sleeves but I’m sure it’s well protected. McCord might be nice and patient; Banghor, not so much.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Ken: Would not surprise me in the slightest. He’s just lighting the world on fire so he can loot everything while Rome burns.

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    Kelly says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Punch cards were so useful for leveling tables.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist

    : said Mr. Rathbun, 67, a retired truck driver

    More economically anxious I see

    This really fries me too, the a-holes screaming that loudest don’t know jackshit about manufacturing.

    Also

    The average cost of a Harley is around $20,000, and they top out around $40,000, making the motorcycles a luxury item for people who do not use them as their primary mode of transportation

    That sounds sooo working class

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    Brachiator says:

    Watching video about the guy who hijacked the aircraft. Surreal. Too bad he could not be persuaded to try to land the aircraft.

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    Brachiator says:

    @WaterGirl:

    What does it teach kids when they hear the President of the United States call someone a low-life?

    What does it teach kids when they see that a man like Trump can become president of the United States?

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    MagdaInBlack says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:
    Harley folk I know own 2-3 of them, at, what? $30k each, and ride (hopefully) 16 weekends a year? Same folks consider my college education a waste of money. Try arguing with that mentality !

    Harley offers a full line of credit, btw.

    ETA: theres usually a very large truck and /or SUV for ” everyday” driving.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Brachiator: Boy, that’s even more depressing to consider.

    It’s okay to lie. It’s okay to cheat. It’s okay to steal. It’s okay to grab ’em by the pussy. You don’t have to play by the rules.

    Depressing.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman):

    Thanks for the review. My 4½-year-old Moto X took a toilet dive a while back, and I did some window-shopping while it was taking the rice-dehydration cure. It made a full recovery, so I’m not actively looking now, but I still have some lingering consumer lust. And I am concerned occasionally about system and security updates. (It’s still running Adroid 5.1.)

    The Nexus 6.1 is appetizing, but I’m with Verizon and am reluctant to change to a new provider. The devil you know, etc. But that review gave me a lot to think about when I start actively looking again. Made me want to look at the Pixel 2 again.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Steeplejack: Steep, is this all reproducible on your computer?

    Me, from the most recent thread:

    I get the edit box and the formatting tools.
    It saves my nym, email & checked checkbox for about 30 minutes.
    It stays if I open a new tab or a new window or a new BJ thread.
    It says if I refresh a page.
    If I haven’t posted a comment in the past 30 minutes or so, when I refresh a page, the nym, email and check all disappear.

    edit: If I post a comment, the 30-minute clock restarts again.

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    Anthony says:

    Frankly, once someone starts moving an airplane, it’s hard to stop them. Planes sometimes mistakenly wind up in the wrong places, you aren’t going to machine gun a multimillion dollar plane because the pilot is momentarily confused.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @WaterGirl:

    Pretty sure my setup (desktop site, Win10, Firefox) is working like that. For comment creation, the “formatting tools” I get are bold, italic, link and quote.

    Nym and e-mail are saved, and then disappear, in the manner you describe, although I haven’t specifically timed it. Somewhere around 30-60 minutes sounds right.

    ETA: Testing edit of a previously created comment.

    ETFA: Okay, that works. Previously the spinner went for like three minutes and then never updated the comment.

    Also, after you post a comment, FYWP positions you in wacky, random places somewhat near your comment. A minor problem in the current state of affairs.

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    Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman) says:

    @Steeplejack:

    For me it was a combination of price, build quality, updates (it’s an Android One phone), adequate performance, and having most of the LTE bands that both AT&T and T-Mobile use.

    The only feature it lacks that I might miss is wireless charging, but that wasn’t a deal breaker by any means.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman):

    Yeah, I don’t need wireless charging.

    When I started looking, I was a little surprised that physical size became a concern. My Moto X is compact—gets a big screen by having a very small bezel—and a lot of the new phones seem huge in comparison. The Nexus 6.1 is a good size, only slightly larger than my Moto.

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    efgoldman says:

    @WaterGirl:

    If I post a comment, the 30-minute clock restarts again.

    True, but as long as I haven’t shut down, all I have to do is type the first letter of nym and email, and FYWP drops down the rest.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @efgoldman: I don’t think that’s WordPress that’s doing it, I think it’s either the browser you’re using or a setting in your browser.

    But it’s nice for you that it fills in for you. For me and many others, it does not. But you deserve a break, so I’m glad it’s you that gets pampered by your browser. :-) The rest of us have to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps.

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    Jeffro says:

    @NotMax: never could get the hang of Zaxxon!! 🤪

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    Jeffro says:

    @Steeplejack: HOLLA! I’m not sure any of the other kids at Time Out 2 ever got to play TEMPEST back in the late 80s…maybe during my bathroom breaks or something! 😎

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    Jeffro says:

    @Mike J: that’s not a bad consolation prize!!

    I think I saw Corner Stone and a few others weigh in on Galaga…it’s definitely Mrs Fro’s fave

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Jeffro:

    I think the only time I ever had anything remotely approaching carpal tunnel syndrome was from working that Tempest spinner.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Jeffro, @Steeplejack:

    The other game I really liked back then—but I only ever saw one machine, in a slightly skeevy bar and grill near the software company where I worked—was GORF. We used to play it after work during electrolyte replacement therapy.

    Can’t remember much about it now. Maybe a weird cross between Space Invaders and Galaxian? But it made an impression, because the guy who wrote our B-tree database indexing package named it “Get Our Records Fast.” The suits never caught on.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Jeffro: Galaga or GTFO

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    Jeffro says:

    @Steeplejack: GORF as SI + Galaxian is just about spot-on It was kind of weird but it worked.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Corner Stone: well in that case then i’m going with Galaga.

    Unless TRON or TEMPEST are nearby, of course ;)

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Steeplejack:

    but I only ever saw one machine, in a slightly skeevy bar and grill near the software company where I worked

    Was there a guy outside in a white panel door van always looking for his lost puppy and also had random candy/ice cream available?

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Jeffro: Don’t make me FROGGER your ass.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Corner Stone: Arcade FROGGER sucked…Atari 2600 FROGGER was the bomb, though.

    Ah the 2600…River Raid and Missile Command…was there anything else?

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Corner Stone:

    He was always asking women to help him put something in his van, because one arm was in a sling. We would offer to help, but he never took us up on it. Kind of weird, in retrospect.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Jeffro: Indiana Jones, baby!
    FROGGER was the shit for playing after you got done huffing…some…ummm…Nebber mind.

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    JWL says:

    “I still haven’t done all the laundry today”. The dirty dishes in my sink will be waiting for you when you finish.

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