Friday Evening Open Thread: Nice ‘Work’, If You Can Get It

Every successful organization must consider the best use of their paid employees. Therefore, some are paid to show up; some are paid to stay home…

… or to go on tv and make fools of themselves…



126 replies
  1. 1
    The Midnight Lurker says:

    Every single person in this administration talks like a perp!

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    Uh, isn’t there something illegal about simply paying people out of party funds to keep quiet?

  3. 3
    Eric U. says:

    I probably shouldn’t have been so happy when Nixon resigned, because it seems like it only made the Republicans worse. But it still makes me happy

  4. 4
    Platonailedit says:

    @The Midnight Lurker:

    Every single person in this administration is one.

    Not one redeeming fucker in this corruptest regime.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷:
    Well, the Republican party is a private organisation, so it’s not misuse of public funds. And as long as the payment is duly approved by the organisation and not illegal in itself (e.g. a bribe) I suppose a private organisation is free to misuse its funds as it sees fit.

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    JDM says:

    @Amir Khalid: Highest and best use. Or, at least, most necessary use.

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    “Trump is paying off former insiders with what are essentially no-show jobs paid for by Republican loyalists.”

    Probably better for everybody than paying them to meaningfully contribute to party affairs.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Testing, testing, one two three.

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    hells littlest angel says:

    Unscrupulous opportunist she may be, but Omarosa is no idiot. What she’ll make from Unhinged will make 15K a month look like pocket change.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Speaking of being paid to show up and stay home.

    Morale Is Low at Carrier, the Factory Trump Saved

    Typical FTFNYT reporting, but reading between the lines, firing half the employees and forcing the rest to work mandatory 60 hour week shifts has led to increased absenteeism by the remaining workers.

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    Geoduck says:

    @Platonailedit: Mattis seems to be keeping his nose clean, or is at least better at hiding it if he isn’t.

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    Mary G says:

    Keith has all the receipts; he sold himself cheap.

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    Jager says:

    This is a test. Posting on my phone from from Cambria,CA. We’re drinking wine standing in line at the Sea Chest.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Major Major Major Major: As with every. other. frickin’. thing. about this maladministration, just picture if it were a Dem president doing it.

    Using your campaign funds to pay off people to not tell the truth/the outside world about how horrible a person you really are? Why…even Hillary Clinton never stooped so low…

    I’m thinking of ramping up with the RWNJs I know and reminding them that for the low, low (by which I mean extremely high) price of futilely trying to keep this country white supremacist, all they did was sell their souls to America’s Worst Human Being. I may tinker with the phrasing a bit, but that’s essentially it.

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    dmsilev says:

    I actually think Trump arranging for RNC sinecures for his toadies is a good thing. Consider: Every $100k of RNC donor money that’s spent on a toady in a no-show featherbedding job is a couple fewer field workers or a few TV ads that don’t get aired.

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    Steeplejack says:

    I haven’t been watching Chris Matthews much lately, but supposedly Omarosa is going to be on Hardball Monday or Tuesday. (Can’t find the exact date on the website.) I’m tempted to check in, because it could be a train wreck of cataclysmic proportions.

    Also, let’s check nym persistence and the new edit gizmo.

    ETA: Okay, edit working, although the page took a long time to (re)load.

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    YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S) says:

    I wonder what the expected lifespan of this hush money sinecure is expected to be. How long does the party need to buy silence?

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    HalfAssedHomesteader says:

    And if it is, that’s not my fault. <– CLOSING ARGUMENTS

    And if it was, I didn't mean it. <– SENTENCING

    And if I did…

    You deserved it. <– PRISON CHATTER

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    Aleta says:

    @Amir Khalid: When Schilling left I read that he (and some others who probably know things) are being paid out of the ‘GOP convention fund;’ the law allows its record of donors and spending to stay private. I haven’t looked to verify that, so the facts may be different.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Well, the Republican party is a private organisation, so it’s not misuse of public funds.

    Fund raising for hush money. Donors would have to be the ultimate true believers. Or the ultimate suckers.

    This White House is a broken down clown car up on blocks.

    And still Trump’s dumbass supporters think he is a good leader.

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    Shana says:

    @hells littlest angel: Heard a story on All Things Considered this evening about the discrepancies between what Omarosa said in her book, that she’d heard about a tape where tRump said n&^%er, and actually hearing the tape where he said it (per today’s interview with NPR). Certainly calls into question her veracity and trustworthiness, not that she started with a huge amount of credibility.

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    Shana says:

    @Jeffro: Please report back on the results of those conversations.

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    Platonailedit says:

    Hillary spent 11 hours in a Benghazi "perjury trap" under oath live on national television. How do you reckon she did it without gettin' caught?

    Oh…she told the truth.— Tea Pain (@TeaPainUSA) August 10, 2018

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    Luthe says:

    Is anyone else having issues loading the site? 3 out of 4 tries I get “Error connecting to database.”

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    Jeffro says:


    Me: You realize that for the low, low (by which I mean extremely high) price of futilely trying to keep this country white supremacist, all you accomplished was to sell your souls to America’s Worst Human Being, Mr. No-Bottom, right?

    Brick-wall RWNJs: whut?

    Me: (repeats myself)

    Faux-News Bubble RWNJs: whut? I cain’t hear you, librul!

    Me: (repeats myself)

    “Economically Anxious Dog-Whistle Lovers”: sounds to me like you’re trying to keep America from being great aga…”


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    Bobby Thomson says:

    Holy crap it took about an hour for comments to load. Are the hamsters dead?

  27. 27
    hells littlest angel says:

    @Shana: If she was completely truthful it would be unbelievable.

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    Platonailedit says:

    @Bobby Thomson:

    New & improved hamsters are on the way. At least, that’s the grapevine.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    I had the same until just a minute ago.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Mob bosses like Trump often pay hush money. Apparently preferable to hiring a hit man, at least for some, and Trump’s quite a coward.

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    Peale says:

    @Shana: she can shut up any time. Seriously. She’s a liar. She’s another shameless person who doesn’t deserve our time. She is a horrible human who got famous in a show for behaving horribly. I so desperately want fewer unserious human beings to be famous.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Luthe: Me too. It timed out a couple of times.

    I will say, not being able to open the site puts having to keep retyping my nym and email in perpspective.

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    Steeplejack says:


    Yes, pages have been loading very slowly for me (2+ minutes), and when I tried to post a witty and colorful comment I got the database error. So I’m back to Rachel Maddow and Law and Order reruns for a while.

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    Brachiator says:


    I haven’t been watching Chris Matthews much lately, but supposedly Omarosa is going to be on Hardball Monday or Tuesday.

    The Great Orange Con Man excretes baby grifters. I can’t imagine that Omarosa has anything really damaging about Trump. And she comes pre-discredited. Very few people would ever believe anything she has to say. But she and the other castoffs will make a few bucks before she fades away.

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    Platonailedit says:

    @Ohio Mom:

    The beatings will not stop until the morale around here improves.

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    Another Scott says:

    Wait a minute. I thought all of Donnie’s people had to sign some Iron Clad Unbreakable Non-Disclosure Agreement for All Time and Ever and Ever.

    Oh, that was for “Senior Staff”. So Omarosa – Assistant to the President and Director of Communications for the Office of Public Liaison – wasn’t “Senior Staff”?

    And they wanted her to sign an NDA after firing her?

    Seems like an oversight to have someone who had been around him for so long, who was involved with Communications, not to be subject to such a thing from the beginning.

    Even though such a thing was probably illegal…



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    Brachiator says:

    Also pages are timing out for me too. Using a mobile browser.

    There’s a “save my name” button, but it doesn’t stick.

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    geg6 says:


    Even better, she’s going to be on Sunday’s Press the Meat with Chuckles. Should be awesome. Like Hiroshima was awesome..

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    zhena gogolia says:


    We just saw a Midsomer Murders with that godawful videotape you were talking about. They can’t even videotape competently — there were shadows on everyone’s faces. There was almost no music. And even good actors like James Wilby and Nicholas Jones seemed like they were in a local public-access amateur production.

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    jl says:

    Re ‘A Narcissist’s Prayer’ tweet, I think we’re further down on the list. Trump has already blamed one of his sons and Obama for the illegal conspiracy with Russian to have a foreign power interfere with a US election..

    And Trump changed ‘it wasn’t that bad’ to a range of things from ‘it was OK’ to ‘it was totally fantastic’

    Trump isn’t your garden variety, low energy, malicious narcissist. he does it bigly and uniquely.

    Edit ‘you deserved it’ will be ‘you should thank me’.

  41. 41

    He’s constantly writing checks just to keep people quiet but the conventional wisdom continues to be he’s somehow too shameless to be blackmail-able.

    This is a remarkably sharp comment. The evidence has been there all along, but it takes a comment like that to make me see it.

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    TomatoQueen says:

    OT, but scumbag white nationalist/nazi Richard Spencer has vacated the Alexandria, VA office space he polluted for many months, moving trucks seen this evening as he slithered away to parts unknown. A small, persistent group has held a weekly vigil nearby nearly every weekend rain or shine since he moved in & I suppose an exorcism or party will be needed to cleanse the place. Hoping Sunday’s festivities remain safe.

    (Updated Fireyfox, personal vpn via Avast, Win7Pro, Puerto Rico, Flint, Yemen, Ernesto’s again dammit, click in the box and…no nym/email. ho-hum.) But there’s the pie thing!

  43. 43
    Platonailedit says:

    Kris Kobach's lead in Kansas has now shrunk to a mere 70 votes out of more than 312,000 cast.— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) August 10, 2018

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    Mary G says:


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    Platonailedit says:

    Sticky login. Cool in-line edit. Quick loading.

    We are back to full service blog, folks.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @hells littlest angel: What she’ll make from Unhinged will make 15K a month look like pocket change.

    I’m curious about this: Let’s say this job was good for three years, which I think is a pretty generous estimate. 36 X 15K is 540,000. How many books would she have to sell to make half a million?

    I’ve been curious about books by people like Spicer and other Beltway D-listers. Is there a website that reliably tracks book sales? not rankings, but numbers of books actually purchased.

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    Ruckus says:

    How do you think he bankrupted everything?
    Getting things done right, making good decisions?
    Or being a massive fuck up and paying people to shut the fuck up.
    I’m going with B.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Test comment to edit.
    ETA: Test comment edited. Es funktionert.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:


    I think Omarosa is a complete grifter, and I’m not really interested in what she might have to say. I guess my curiosity is about the Bizarro World collision between her post-modern reality-show persona and Chris Matthews’s antiquated “Ronnie and Tip sitting around having a drink” sense of politics.

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    Schlemazel says:

    @Bobby Thomson:
    I am going to break my “no whining about the site” pledge. I submitted a comment (it would have been around #8) and got a database error back. I was then unable to load the site so I went back to reading my book

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @Steeplejack (phone):

    Page-loading delays and database errors seem to be on the desktop version of the site. Mobile version is working okay, except for the ongoing issue of no edit function.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steeplejack (phone): She is a witness to what has happened. You don’t make cases against the mob by using the testimony of ordinary citizens.

  53. 53
    Ohio Mom says:

    @Luthe: Yes, me too, for at least the past two hours or so.

    But now it is working again. Going to keep my fingers crossed.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Steeplejack (phone):
    When I was getting database error and no loading on the desktop, I tried the phone. That was also a no go as well. I think a lot of us are addicted to BJ. Is there a 12 step for this?

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    feebog says:

    Pretty sure the hamsters are on life support at this point. We may want to update to ferrets.

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    Platonailedit says:

    Chemical giant Monsanto has been ordered to pay $289m (£226m) damages to a man who claimed herbicides containing glyphosate had caused his cancer.

    In a landmark case, a Californian jury found that Monsanto knew its Roundup and RangerPro weedkillers were dangerous and failed to warn consumers.

    It’s the first lawsuit to go to trial alleging a glyphosate link to cancer.

    Monsanto denies that glyphosate causes cancer and says it intends to appeal against the ruling.

    “The jury got it wrong,” vice-president Scott Partridge said outside the courthouse in San Francisco.

    The claimant in the case, groundskeeper Dewayne Johnson, is among more than 5,000 similar plaintiffs across the US.

    Correspondents say the California ruling is likely to lead to hundreds of other claims against Monsanto, which was recently bought by the German conglomerate Bayer AG.

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    Ken says:

    I’m not having any problems with the desktop version, but I run with a lot of ad blockers and site filters. I’m not seeing anything in the right column except the calendar/store/support links and the recent comments. Maybe one of the half-dozen third-party ads is causing problems?

  58. 58
    Ken says:

    And it remembers my name and email. But no comment edit/delete links…

  59. 59
    Ruckus says:

    Ferrets eat more. And don’t run as fast. And sleep a lot of hours a day.
    Not sure it would be an improvement.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:


    Yeah, I saw that, but I’m not sure I can take a double dose. Chuck Todd is so oily, and I sort of perversely “enjoy” Tweety’s sputtering rage about everything. Omarosa should press all his buttons.

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    Schlemazel says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    The comment that was eaten was along this line. She is not getting wingnut welfare and I can’t imagine many liberals are waiting in line to drop real cash on this turd. Depending on how long the payments would have flowed she probably screwed up

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    zhena gogolia says:


    Uh, no (say I as I’m about to put in my nym for the 1000th time today).

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    Mary G says:

    Devin Nunes has himself listed as a farmer on the November ballot. The Fresno Bee has a story up that a real farmer from Tulare County has gone to court:

    Buxman, who said he once supported Nunes, said his congressman has forgotten about farmers and thus has no business identifying as one. Buxman listed three things that have gone wrong during Nunes’ congressional tenure: his well has gone dry and he’s lost orchards due to lack of water; his neighbors’ workers have been targeted in ICE audits; and the recent rush of tariffs has ruined the market for his crops.

    The 69-year-old farmer said he bore no ill will toward Nunes, “whom I pray for regularly.” But Buxman said he felt the need to speak out for his fellow farmers, who he meets with regularly at church and community gatherings.

    He added that Nunes is welcome on his farm any time.

    Nunes’ campaign did not respond to The Bee’s request for comment.

    It’s funded by a Democratic-aligned PAC, but it cracks me up and won’t do Nunes much good.

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    EBT says:

    An account with 12 times my followers pimped out my Adult Story account!

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @EBT: I don’t know how any of this works, but congrats.

  66. 66
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Geoduck: He is keeping his nose clean. He’s walking a very fine line in an attempt to protect DOD and the Services.

  67. 67
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S): In the case of Schiller, as long as the various statutes of limitations for the crimes he’s involved in, was party to, and/or knows about last.

  68. 68
    EBT says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Someone with a lot more followers than me, told their followers to read my stories.

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    JanieM says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Well, consider the source, but if she got an advance, that changes the calculation. Spicer had a “deal” too, with Regnery, although I can’t find any speculation about how much his advance might have been.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @EBT: Cool, then.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    Inorite! It really is unwatchable. I check every week, and as soon as I see that it’s videotape I have to turn it off. It looks like an amateur production by the Midsomer Cable Access Players.

    It has really reminded me how there are cinematic “proprieties” as well as theatrical (acting) ones that must be observed. Film makes it more “real,” whereas (the technically more “real”) videotape breaks it down completely into obvious (and often bad) actors obviously reciting (often bad) lines.

    And it’s not that the actors are bad, really. It’s just that videotape strips away some protective layer that film gives them. Probably why acting for soap operas is so different.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Another Scott: Wouldn’t have made any difference. The only NDAs that are/can be binding on Federal officials – elected, appointed, civil service, and contractors (technically not Federal officials, but essentially functionally they are) – are in regard to the classified information they have been given access to in order to do their jobs. In the case of contractors there can be some additional NDAs pertaining to their company’s trade secrets.

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    EBT says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I have gained 15 followers today, and someone tipped me 9 bucks as well. Up to almost half a cent per word average; for unsolicited stories.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Nothing she says to Matthews will be “testimony.” It will be hyping herself and running her grift. Now, when she’s talking to a congressional committee or to Mueller’s people, then I’ll be interested.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Wouldn’t have made any difference.

    Weasel Face neither knows nor cares. What he understands about the law wouldn’t fit in a thimble on a lawnorder scriptwriter’a desk

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    danielx says:

    Former Trump body man Keith Schiller is also getting $15,000 per month right now — same amount Omarosa was offered

    — Aaron Blake (@AaronBlake) August 10, 2018

    Nice work if you can get it. Only trouble is everybody starts calling you Dr. Faustus.

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    Mom Says I*m Handsome says:

    @Roger Moore: Can’t remember where I’ve seen it — either Adam Davidson, or @HoarseWisperer, maybe — but my read on Trump is that he is un-shame-able when it comes to his sexual pecadillos, so the Pee Tape won’t do diddly to him (he is the Pussy Grabber In Chief, after all) — but he cannot abide the idea that the world will find out he’s a financial fraud. From the time he was at Fred Trump’s knee, he knows he’s a loser, and making it in the world of business has been his Rosebud.
    It’s why he won’t release his tax returns, why he hasn’t properly divested from Trump Org (can’t let his idiot children run it off the rails), and why he’s such a fucking toady to the Russkies: they know his financial secrets and they won’t hesitate to release them when it suits them. (Everything I know about kompromat I learned here, and that Trump fellow is kompromized, if you catch my drift and I know you do.)

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steeplejack (phone): Do you think I am stupid?

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @Mom Says I*m Handsome:

    If Trump is “un-shame-able when it comes to his sexual peccadilloes,” then why is he paying hush money to cover up his sexual peccadilloes?

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    efgoldman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Do you think I am stupid?

    Testy tonite, are we? Someone email you a klown pic?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mom Says I*m Handsome: Davidson wrote an article on this at the end of last month.

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    Platonailedit says:

    @Steeplejack (phone):

    Yup. The only value I see in her ‘testimony’ is that it will drive the nutjob still nuttier.

    Aaand the login is gone again. Me and my big mouth.

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    EBT says:

    @EBT: I speak, and my muse for a lot of these stories drops a big fat 30 bucks in my jar.

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    JGabriel says:

    @Eric U.:

    I probably shouldn’t have been so happy when Nixon resigned, because it seems like it only made the Republicans worse. But it still makes me happy

    Maybe, but the way I remember it is: Reagan made the Republicans worse.

    Granted, I was just starting 4th grade a month after Nixon resigned, so I might not have been the most perspicacious political observer. But it seemed to me that the GOP pretty much stayed the same under Ford, and didn’t really start going down the road to conservative extremism until Reagan was leading the way – starting with either the 1976 primary, or in 1980, when Reagan’s hair suddenly turned brown again, your call.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    I think someone needs to tell the Greek Foreign Ministry about the US and the UK.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Nope. But “witness” and “testimony” seem to have little relevance to her appearance on Hardball. So your statement, while certainly true, seemed like a bit of a non sequitur.

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    Platonailedit says:

    Here's Wikileaks getting served via a tweet by the DNC's lawyers, who just set up this twitter account today— Lachlan Markay (@lachlan) August 10, 2018

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: must not respond…must not respond…must not respond….

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    efgoldman says:


    the way I remember it is: Reagan made the Republicans worse.

    At the time, Conventional Wisdom [and cheerful hope] was that the RWNJs were in the wilderness for several cycles.
    Goddamn CW should keep their yaps shut,

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    I just had an interesting thought. So if the Democrats take the House this November, and the Electoral College deadlocked or no candidate got a majority of votes somehow in 2020, that means the House Democratic caucus could essentially choose the next president. Pretty unlikely considering it’s only happened twice in American history where the House had to decide an election but it’s an interesting thought. Could you imagine the Republicans going absolutely nuts if this happened?

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Well given all the protests and R seats being flipped we’re not exactly taking it sitting down either.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷: Official versus popular/unofficial response.

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    efgoldman says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷:

    that means the House Democratic caucus could essentially choose the next president

    Fuck fantasyland. There’s real work to do.

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    NotMax says:

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    Works a little differently when that occurs. State delegations vote as a unit. 12th Amendment snippert:

    The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.

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    JGabriel says:


    Consider: Every $100k of RNC donor money that’s spent on a toady in a no-show featherbedding job is a couple fewer field workers or a few TV ads that don’t get aired.

    True, but how much cash do you really need when you’ve got Fox and Sinclair giving you free advertising and a free propaganda bullhorn via their “news” stories and editorials; and Russia rigging the vote for you, for recompense that is probably measured less in dollars & rubles and more in obedience & returned favors?

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    efgoldman says:


    Works a little differently when that occurs

    Why would anyone do rudimentary research when fantasies are so much more fun.

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    JGabriel says:

    Leah McElrath:

    Russia expels Greek diplomats, Greece issues rebuke:

    “We want to remind our Russian friends…no country in the world would tolerate attempts to a) bribe state officials, b) undermine its foreign policy, and c) interfere in its internal affairs.”

    Adam L Silverman: I think someone needs to tell the Greek Foreign Ministry about the US and the UK.

    I think maybe the Greeks are tweaking us.

    Which means even the Greeks are looking down on us.



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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Steve in the ATL:
    You’ll be interested to know I voted on a new 3 year labor contract today. I said yes, even though it kind of sucks. For part-time Grocery employees (which is what I’m classified as), my employer only has to contribute $117.00 a month to the Union’s Health and Welfare fund for me. I have to work at least 72 hrs a month to be eligible and complete at least one year of service before I can get that. Problem is you can’t restrict your availability in any way or you won’t get the contribution. I go to university part-time so that’s out.

    In order to be considered ACA full-time a part-timer has to consistently work 30 hrs or more for a year to be eligible for a healthcare plan with the employer.

    The wage increases aren’t bad. In a year I’ll be making $9.20 /hr. I make $8.65 now and will make $8.80 in less than a month. I’ll likely never reach top rate (10.40/he after 6/7/2020) considering I won’t be working at this place long enough.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @JGabriel: They did invent democracy. They’re probably unhappy we’ve screwed it up.//

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    JGabriel says:


    At the time, Conventional Wisdom [and cheerful hope] was that the RWNJs were in the wilderness for several cycles.

    That’s what I thought too, going into the 1980 elections. I simply couldn’t believe we would put Republicans in charge of the country again so soon after Watergate. And then we elected Reagan. Fifteen years old, I couldn’t even vote yet, and I was already disillusioned – it was the first strong evidence I had that maybe the American people had a more sinister side than they were teaching us in school.

    It wasn’t the last.


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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    Hey, I just had a quick thought based on what I remembered from AP Gov from 6 years ago. I wasn’t writing a term paper and I’m not betting the farm on something so unlikely to happen, which I even acknowledged in the original comment.

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    NotMax says:

    Couldn’t … resist … buying … cherries … at Costco this afternoon.

    They were offering free samples of them at one of the Costco dim sum carts, and they’re goo-oo-ood.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    Well, that’s lame. Thanks for politely correcting me.

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    JGabriel says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    They did invent democracy. They’re probably unhappy we’ve screwed it up.

    Fair point.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Platonailedit: Given the way that Donnie and his minions have “negotiated” with Mueller over an interview, do you suppose they are sweating over this new development?


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    KSinMA says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Should have said “no civilized country.”

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    Platonailedit says:

    @Another Scott:

    One more thing to ragetweet about.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷: I hope it works out well for both you guys and the company.

    One piece of advice I give to my kids’ friends who are deciding on careers: high margin industries are better than low margin industries. Retail in general, and grocery in particular, is very low margin.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    @Steve in the ATL:
    That’s makes two of us. I’m going into healthcare anyway so I’m not too worried. I guess that’s a high-margin industry.

    The interesting thing is, is that apparently they hired more full-time employees in the past. A guy I know who works in grocery was hired back in 1990 full-time just to stock shelves. So I guess conditions back when were better.

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    Aleta says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Buy high, sell low and make up the difference in volume.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Is getting paid to do nothing but stay home and shut up, like the people in the original post, a high margin industry?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @KSinMA: True.

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    Jay says:

    “An angry white woman who identified herself as a Trump supporter called police Thursday morning to report a black state senator who was merely talking with voters outside a Brooklyn subway station.”

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    Raoul says:

    @TenguPhule: And just imagine the warranty claims in a year or three. Those Carrier products are gonna be trouble prone when assembled by pissed off and exhausted workers.
    Brilliant move, United Technologies Corporation!

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    Platonailedit says:

    @Jay: The best reply there

    She’s a citizen for one fucking day and Melania’s mother is already acting up.

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    Jay says:


    Nice shade there,


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    efgoldman says:


    “An angry white woman who identified herself as a Trump supporter called police…”

    Unless there’s an actual physical assault, assholes like this (and they are legion) can’t be arrested and charged, can they.

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    Jay says:


    Nope, but they are being shamed and shunned. From all the Permit Patties to the Contractor Guy, people are losing friends, family, jobs and businesses.

    According to sociologists, when the State fails the People, these are amongst the first four steps the People undertake.

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    Ruckus says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷:
    I had a friend who worked in the norcal office of the grocery store union. She told me that when the great depression hit all the stores cut everyone back to part time. That way they didn’t have to pay for healthcare. So everyone had to find another job. The markets were happy to hire people to work 2 part time jobs, even for the same company but not the same store, as they were listed as store employees and not chain employees. And of course the schedules often conflicted because well they could, which meant that often someone couldn’t work an odd shift on short notice and was fired. So the stores got pissed off employees, the customers often didn’t get the service they needed but the store sold the same amount of food. Win, win, win?

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷 says:

    That sounds mostly similar to what I’ve heard from my co-workers who’ve been here a while. The difference is that I’ve turned down an extra shift before and nobody’s threatened to fire me.

    It sucks working in Grocery now that the truck arrives so late at night now. I have to work until midnight and the guy I mentioned who was full time has to work 8.5 hour shifts, so he works until 3 am. The store has tried this twice in the past in order to save money. How I don’t know. This and other reasons have made me realize how much I like working on the front end as a cashier instead. The extra hrs are nice though.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @Jager: Cool! Our family was in Cambria about this time last year. Nice place!

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    EBT says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  🗳🌷: Not terrible. I was making 7.50 union out at the gas stand at a kroger in 2008, so at least there is some upward movement in rates.

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    EBT says:

    @efgoldman: Isn’t it a crime to waste police resources?

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Steeplejack (phone):

    Yes, I feel as if I’m watching an early rehearsal for Midsomer Murders, not the real thing. Even the twee scenery looks bad.

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    Mom Says I*m Handsome says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Very sound advice re high-margin vs. low-margin. This translates very well into manufacturing, where I’ve spent my three decades of toil: while the mechanics of “making stuff” are the same regardless of industry segment (“Computer chips, potato chips, it’s all the same”), when you’re making computer chips the company also throws in a weight room, a subsidized cafeteria, and an R&D budget that ensures you’ll be around for the next generation.

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