As Narrow as His Tiny Little… Hands

I’m so old I remember when the Republican mantra was If you haven’t done anything wrong, you don’t have anything to hide“:

Donald Trump’s legal team has rejected special counsel Robert Mueller’s latest terms for an interview with the president as part of the Russia investigation, and put forward a counter-offer, according to US media reports.
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“We have now given him an answer. Obviously, he should take a few days to consider it, but we should get this resolved,” Trump’s lawyer, the former New York mayor, Rudy Giuliani, said on Wednesday on a radio show hosted by a fellow Trump lawyer, Jay Sekulow.

Mueller and his team have been seeking to grill Trump as they investigate Russian interference in the 2016 election, as part of the effort to determine whether anyone on the Trump campaign colluded with the Russian efforts and whether Trump has obstructed justice.

Trump has said he wants to sit down with the investigators but his lawyers have resisted, fearing he could end up accused of lying to investigators based on his statements in an interview.

Ok, the real problem is not him being accused of lying. The real problem is the man is incapable of speaking a complete sentence WITHOUT lying. So his lawyers want to narrow the scope of the questioning down to basically his name, if he can even get that shit right. For those of you interested, we are now up to 4,229 verified and confirmed lies in 558 days, but that’s just what we have in public and it hasn’t been updated in a week.

Oh, that picture above? That’s the lady who SHOULD BE PRESIDENT instead of Donnie Dollhands testifying under oath in public by a dozen hostile interrogators over a totally made-up fucking faux scandal.

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  1. 1
    Jay says:

    I call BS on the “negotiating” with Meuller over terms and conditions.

    Meuller’s just going to supena his traitorous ass when the time is right.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    Me think the Hillary should start trolling Trump about this. I know, it would be uncivil, but I think Hillary has earned the right by now.

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    Anonymous At Work says:

    And she did it backwards in heels for a full day.

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    At this point Mueller should just inform trump’s lawyers that his investigation will go with trump’s own public statements as testimony and proceed from there.

    to be honest, does Mueller NEED testimony from trump? granted, he may need to get trump to admit to things that would force others in the loop – including his own family – to plea bargain over contradictory lies. But all other evidence should establish a strong enough case to file charges.

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    MJS says:

    Wait, Ghouliani announced this on a radio show hosted by Trump’s other lawyer, Suckalot? WTAF?

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    Raoul says:

    Maybe Mueller sent Hope Hicks on AF1 with a wire and is just laughing about all this now.

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    ChowderHead says:

    Cole posting on Cole’s blog — again!?!

    I could get used to this! :)

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Wait — Trump’s lawyer, Jay Sekulow, has a radio show? Is he the one who ran an evangelical grift? I can’t keep them straight. But if so, I guess a radio show is as good a venue as any to shake down the rubes. And bilking evangelicals out of Social Security checks is excellent training for managing the Trump cult, I guess.

    I’ve been super-busy today and haven’t looked at the news much, but this Rand Paul in Russia thing keeps getting weirder. Paul tweeted that he was delivering a letter from Trump to Putin, as if the letter was Trump’s idea. And now the White House is saying Paul asked Trump to give him a “letter of introduction,” as if it’s all on Paul.

    CNN has a clip up of journalists questioning Paul about what he discussed with the Russians, specifically if election interference was talked about (sounds like Putin sent some underlings, as befits Baby Doc’s lowly status). Paul hemmed and hawed as if he were Miss South Carolina in the Miss Teen USA pageant, managing to stammer out the word “dialogue” about a dozen times.

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    Mike J says:

    @ChowderHead: I think he just had his login hacked and hasn’t read here recently enough to notice.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Curious who here thinks Trump will still be in the Oval Office at the end of his term?

    I do not. I think he’s going to be out, for legal reasons or otherwise. He is too unstable to have in office, and I hope and pray (non-secularly) that we elect a Democratic Congress and Senate that brings him to heel.

    Not going to listen to any naysayers with “where will the Senate get the votes?” This is uncharted waters, and Trump is endangering Republicans as well (although very, very good for the superwealthy).

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    JPL says:

    @Elizabelle: I didn’t expect him to be in office this long.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Betty Cracker: Rand Paul is bought and paid for. Who’s he kidding?

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    hueyplong says:

    Who is this Cole guy who has suddenly started up some threads?

    Is he here to work on the site?

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    JPL says:

    @Elizabelle: I have to add that a friend wants Pence to be indicted and then resign. Being a dreamer, he also wants Congress to flip, and Hillary appointed leader of the house.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @JPL: Yeah, me neither. I still do not think he was legitimately elected, and hope and pray we find that out soonest, too.

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    Honestly I stopped following Trump’s public “negotiations” with Mueller about an interview. Everything these people say is a lie and their position changes depending on who you ask and what minute it is.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Elizabelle: The only way he’s out before January of 2021 is if he has an obvious, unhidable medical problem, like a stroke or a major MI. Sorry, but there’s no way he’s removed by legal or procedural means. Take that to the bank.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @JPL: That’s good. HIllary as leader of the House, or Nancy Pelosi. I am good with either.

    Pence out first. Caretaker government until the 2020 elections. Serious investigation of our elections in the meantime. Harden the target, and find out what’s gone on. Legislation to overturn Citizens United.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Gin & Tonic: OK. Time will tell.

    The whole thing has been such a wild ride.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @Elizabelle: The Senate is very reluctant to over turn elections, but if there was any president who could overcome that reluctance, it’s Trump.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: I think there is a huge chance that Trump has been illegitimate from the get-go.

    And he is certainly no respecter of norms, standards, or precedent.

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    randy khan says:

    @JPL:

    Speaker of House Hillary Clinton becoming President is one of my favorite political fantasies of the last 18 months. If only there were any chance of it happening . . .

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    kindness says:

    You’d think we progressives would have learned from the 2016 elections but judging by the previous post, the Green Party is all in on making the US a hellscape and ‘some’ liberals are defending the Greens.

    Damn.

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    JPL says:

    @randy khan: I mentioned that he was a dreamer, but we all need friends like that.

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    NotMax says:

    @Gin & Tonic

    One can hope he ends up so damaged politically that he assumes crazy uncle in the attic to whom no one pays serious attention status.

    @Elizabelle

    Two highest level impeachments in succession? Better chance of the Moon plummeting into the sea.

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    Jay says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Nope, Trump 2020 will be 20 years for “Colusion! NO Colusion, YOUR THE COLUSION!” and 20 years for treason. He’ll be arrested in 2019, tried and convicted in 2019.

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    JPL says:

    @NotMax: Spoilsport!

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    Teddys Person says:

    @Betty Cracker: The sheer incompetence and ridiculousness of these motherfuckers is exhausting. I’m still numb from reading about the “the Mar-a-Lago Crowd” this morning. Why can’t the wealthy just retire to some tropical island and stop making life for the rest of us harder?

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    The Moar You Know says:

    Curious who here thinks Trump will still be in the Oval Office at the end of his term?

    @Elizabelle: I do.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Elizabelle: I honestly don’t know what to think. So many previously unthinkable things have happened, starting with Trump becoming president in the first place — a notion that is just as absurd now that it’s a reality as it was in the hypothetical. I’m convinced that if someone gave him a face-saving out, Trump would take it, but I can’t imagine what that would look like. If the economy tanks, I can easily imagine Republicans turning on Trump like a pack of meth-addled hyenas.

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    sukabi says:

    @Jay: he’ll flee with AF1 to Russia prior to his arrest. Putin will accommodate him for a month and then decide it’s “tea time” for the stars.

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    James E Powell says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Curious who here thinks Trump will still be in the Oval Office at the end of his term?

    I’d be shocked if he’s not. I will be just as shocked if he doesn’t run for re-election, secure the nomination with ease (though he may get a primary from Kasich), and come very close to getting re-elected. I will also be shocked if the NYT and cable news don’t spend the majority of their coverage slagging whoever the Democratic nominee is. They all really benefit from Trump and they don’t want to see him gone any time soon.

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    sukabi says:

    @sukabi: grrrrr…no edit and FU autocorrect. Should have been “tea time” for the dotard.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Curious who here thinks Trump will still be in the Oval Office at the end of his term?

    No me.

    @NotMax: It won’t be two impeachments. Pence will resign instead of being impeached. The crap they have on him will upend his life and he’ll resign to keep it from becoming public.

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    Bex says:

    @Betty Cracker: He used to work for Pat Robertson heading up Robertson’s American Center for Law and Justice, or wink wink ACLJ..

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    Mary G says:

    Halp, Google or Windows 10 won’t open any sites that I visit every day because they’re unsafe. They were fine and then they weren’t. Have I been hacked or something. The tablet works fine.

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    @Jay:

    Meuller’s just going to supena his traitorous ass when the time is right.

    And Trump is going to fight it all the way to the Supreme Court claiming he shouldn’t have to respond to a subpoena while in office. That’s the implicit flip side of their bargaining position.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jay: That’s the rub, Giuliani and Sekulow and the President and his spokespeople and other’s in his orbit that are advocating/running interference for him are all able to say what ever they want about every part of the Special Counsel’s investigation and the Special Counsel and those working for him won’t say anything outside of the grand jury rooms, in indictments, and in court.

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    @Elizabelle: He is Palin 2.0, even more craven and evil. I won’t be surprised if he quits. When the going gets tough, T bails. Look at his “business” career.

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    Jay says:

    @sukabi:

    The AF1 Crew won’t fly him to Russia, he’ll be Seagal’d just outside US waters.

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    NotMax says:

    @Yarrow

    And Dolt 45 will submit a name for v.p. (Gorsuch? Ryan? Falwell?) before the ink on the resignation has time to dry.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Roger Moore: That’s why we cannot allow Trump to seat another Supreme Court justice in the meantime. Go with the 8 or 9 they have now. No new appointments to the Supreme Court until we are clear of Trump’s legal issues.

    I think that’s almost a bumpersticker sentiment. It’s not inside baseball. It’s maintaining the United States as a democracy.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @Elizabelle: Not to mention, pick a scandal; Trump has so many. Between outright treason and mobbed up Trump makes Nixon look like a prankster.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @NotMax: He is not Nixon. Trump is way worse, and in way more legal jeopardy.

    I am hoping we learn he stole the election (I don’t ask for much, hmmm?) and there is not a reason to reward the GOP for stealing the 2016 presidential election.

    Jesus Fuck, Trump has already done so much damage.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Betty Cracker: Sekulow is the member of the tribe who became a Messianic Jew or Jew for Jesus (or as the rest of us Jews call them Christians) when he went to work for Pat Robertson.

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    sukabi says:

    @Jay: even better…

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    Boris, Rasputin's Evil Twin says:

    @Yarrow: “History doesn’t repeat itself, but it often rhymes” – Mark Twain This sort of rhymes with Agnew pleading “Nolo contendre” and resigning before a trial. We should be so lucky.

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    @Adam L Silverman: Are Messianic Jews ::Jews what Hare Ramas (ISKON) :: Hindus

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    @Jay:

    The AF1 Crew won’t fly him to Russia

    They would if he claimed he had official business there and then just refused to go home.

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    sdhays says:

    @Teddys Person:

    Why can’t the wealthy just retire to some tropical island and stop making life for the rest of us harder?

    Please! We’re begging you! GO GALT!!!!

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    raven says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Eventually, Nixon won by just 1 percent of the popular vote. “Once in office he escalated the war into Laos and Cambodia, with the loss of an additional 22,000 American lives, before finally settling for a peace agreement in 1973 that was within grasp in 1968,” says the BBC.

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    @NotMax:

    And Dolt 45 will submit a name for v.p. (Gorsuch? Ryan? Falwell?) before the ink on the resignation has time to dry.

    Good luck getting anyone confirmed. Even if the Democrats fail to win control of either house in 2018 (FSM forbid), the new Speaker is going to think long and hard about approving the one person higher than him in the Presidential succession. If the Democrats take back the House, they’re sure as hell not going to vote to confirm Trump’s nominee.

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    jl says:

    I hear on the news that asbestos joints coal as our industrial savior of the future!
    EPA going to solve the health and environmental problems by not looking for them anymore.

    I’m so excited I’m a little short of breath.

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    Jay says:

    @Roger Moore:

    Meuller will drop his subpena,

    The Insane Clown POStus’s Crack Legal Team will waste a month venue shopping,

    Meuller will drop an arrest warrant,

    Having argued in the past that Presidents are subject to the Courts, The Insane Clown POStus’s Crack Legal Team, will have a meth fueled meltdown in DC District Court, and lose. They will appeal, and be denied.

    Dolt 45 will be cuffed and make all future appearances wearing Orange.

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    germy says:

    This should be brutal:

    The Daily Beast: Omarosa secretly recorded Trump https://t.co/znbWInUH9M— Jesse Rodriguez (@JesseRodriguez) August 8, 2018

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    sukabi says:

    @Captain C: no. Sans chute.

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    NotMax says:

    @schrodingers_cat

    Putting it most politely as possible, Messianic Jews are to Jews what tofurkey is to turkey.

    Bluntly, the whole Jesus/Messiah thing is a non-starter for the Jewish faithful.

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    Yarrow says:

    @NotMax: They have to be approved by Congress. When Pence resigns it’ll be because of his treason and he’ll be doing it in hopes of keeping his un-Christian activities under wraps. At that point all bets will be off. Congress will know, as will the American people, that traitors were elected to the highest offices in the land. Congress will be slow to confirm a traitor’s nominee.

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    @NotMax: So my comparison is apt.

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    The Dangerman says:

    @randy khan:

    …if only there were any chance of it happening . . .

    Well, it’s not that there is absolute zero chance of it happening, it’s just somewhat less likely than Trump clearcutting California of all it’s trees (for glorious condo towers as far as the eye can see) or him revoking citizenship for anyone with a skin tone darker than ecru.

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    @Roger Moore:
    Adding here since I can’t edit a previous comment: and I think Trump’s most likely nominee for VP if Pence resigns will be a family member. I’m not sure if Ivanka or Jared is more likely, but they’re obviously way ahead of Jr. or Eric.

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    Jay says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Relying on “trying a case in the Court of Public opinion” isn’t a good legal strategy.

    Pretty sure QAnon Trucker Speed Addict’s will be excluded from the Jury pool.

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    sukabi says:

    @germy: damn, that’s quite the dilemma…so I’ll just enjoy my popcorn and root for maximum injuries.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @schrodingers_cat: If you squint real hard. My understanding of the history of ISKCON is that it started as a more or less legit as Swami Prabhupada genuinely wanted to teach his understanding of Vaisnavism to non-Hindus. Unfortunately, his attempt was diverted because Keith Gordon Ham aka Kirtinananda Swami, with a hand selected group of co-conspirators/disciples, basically turned ISKCON into an organized crime front. Which the vast majority of ISKCON adherents seem to be both truly and purposefully unaware of.

    Jews for Jesus and Messianic Judaism were always a scam. They were purposefully created by members of the evangelical movement to coopt Jews into becoming Christians by claiming that they really weren’t doing that. They are a purposeful, designed from go, religious and theological fraud.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Curious who here thinks Trump will still be in the Oval Office at the end of his term?

    I raise my hand. Trump is not going anywhere voluntarily. He is already raising money for his re-election campaign. I don’t yet see any strong legal action against him (but I am hoping).

    The Republican Congress still has his back, and this makes a huge difference. They will do what they can to protect him from legal action and will, of course, block impeachment and conviction.

    I’m am hoping that the midterms change Congress enough so that the Democrats can block his agenda until 2020. Then we will see what happens next

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    Baud says:

    @raven: Fuck Nixon.

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    scott (the other one) says:

    Oh, that picture above? That’s the lady who SHOULD BE PRESIDENT instead of Donnie Dollhands testifying under oath in public by a dozen hostile interrogators over a totally made-up fucking faux scandal.

    Man…just…dammit. Fuck my fellow straight white working-class males.

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    Baud says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Wanna be in charge of Jews for Baud!?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jay:

    Pretty sure QAnon Trucker Speed Addict’s will be excluded from the Jury pool.

    He’s allowed a jury of his peers…//

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    hueyplong says:

    @germy: Awesome. Much better than whatever she recorded will be Trump’s paranoid speculation about what else is out there. If she recorded him, who didn’t?

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    Doug R says:

    @hueyplong: Think he’s an unpaid intern.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Baud: Does it include vision and dental?

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    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    Holee shit

    Here’s what I’ve been told. “Trump (and some adult family) negotiated a deal with the Saudis and the Emiratis for 3.6 billion to get rid of Iran nuclear deal and reimpose sanctions. The payment was made in two installments. The first last year and the second earlier in 2018”

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    lgerard says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Wait — Trump’s lawyer, Jay Sekulow, has a radio show?

    He has a long running TV show as well on one of those religious networks that infest cable TV. If I remember correctly, his son is involved in it too as creating a family dynasty of sorts is an important part of the grift.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I thought that Messianic Jews were Christians who decided to cosplay as Jews by following the Christian Old Testament and picking up a few accessories. 🤔 Have they managed to pick up a few actual Jewish people as well?

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    The Dangerman says:

    @Roger Moore:

    If the Democrats take back the House, they’re sure as hell not going to vote to confirm Trump’s nominee.

    Interesting. Could the VP chair be left vacant until 2020? I mean, let’s say the Dems take the House in 2018 and Trump resigns; Pence ascends, but who would he nominate? Other than his wife?

    Well, put me down for no way other than massive stroke or heart attack does Trump not serve out his term to 2021. Put me down also for Trump not willing to accept it if he loses in 2020 (I’m not sure he makes it out of the primary, which could make a for a fun Republican Convention).

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt: It’s Claude Taylor. He is co-running the Louise Mensch grift. For every occasional item they get right, the rest is all fabulism and fantasy.

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    sukabi says:

    @Brachiator: don’t know…I think it’s gonna start raining indictments on unrelated criminal activities (you know Chris Collins isn’t the only MOC that’s playing fast and loose) that will have a “liberating” effect on congress. I also expect some rather fast, unexpected “retirements” as the indictments start falling and MOC decide to cut and run spend time with their families.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mnemosyne: Jews for Jesus and Messianic Jews, despite the attempts to make it sound like they’re different, are the same scam. Most of the congregations – I’m not calling them synagogues – include both Jewish and Christian members.

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    Jay says:

    @The Dangerman:

    The Insane Clown POStus won’t resign,

    Pencil won’t ascent,

    And Mother will be arrested as an “Illegal”,

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    hueyplong says:

    @The Dangerman: I hesitate to guess, crazy as the last two years have been, but if forced to predict, I would go with death or medical incapacitation before the conclusion of his first term.

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    NotMax says:

    @The Dangerman

    who would he nominate?

    McKinley? Coolidge? Lincoln?

    No requirement the nominee be alive.

    :)

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    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Sorry it was RT’d by Tim Hannan who I usually trust.

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    Baud says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Depends on whether the Lord deems you worthy.

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    TS (the original) says:

    I am utterly confused by the lies – started by trump and now executed by all in his administration circle and so many in congress. They know they’re lying, the media knows they’r lying and the people know they’re lying & yet it is discussed as something that has two sides. Most of the statements that come from the press secretaries in the WH press room are lies, fabrications or comments on what could be, should be but not what is.

    I sometimes begin to doubt myself because it is so hard to understand that the president* of the USA is a prolific liar. It becomes easy to understand why he refuses to allow anyone into his conversations with foreign leaders – yet most of them will not come out and truthfully repeat the conversation. He seems to bully people into silence. I have little doubt he is rejoicing in the issues between Canada and SA & probably is telling the Saudis what a great job they are doing.

    He is empowering people to act in exactly the same manner. I recently had a conversation with a person I have to deal with in my everyday life & he blatantly lied about an event from yesterday. He knows I know he is lying, he knows I am now doubting my own reality – yet it is such a minor thing, there was no reason for the lie. If I mention it to others, I am told not to be petty, it doesn’t matter. And so the lies go on and on & in the end, I start believing the lies – because it takes the stress away.

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    The Dangerman says:

    @NotMax:

    No requirement the nominee be alive.

    Which is good, because if the Dem’s take the House and Trump leaves the scene (it would have to be medical in nature), there is no one alive that Pence could nominate that would pass the House and Senate…

    …which goes back to my pondering about can the seat be left open. Have to have someone to break the 50/50 ties in the Senate, no?

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    Mike in DC says:

    @The Dangerman: Strategically Trump could leave VP slot vacant to try to force GOP senators to support him in impeachment in order to prevent the Dems from taking over the white house before 2021.

    The downside is that it makes him look even crazier.

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    Captain C says:

    @sukabi: Works for me.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @schrodingers_cat: I am quite aware of that. It is also an organized crime organization that uses that cult as a front.

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    Brachiator says:

    @sukabi:

    don’t know…I think it’s gonna start raining indictments on unrelated criminal activities (you know Chris Collins isn’t the only MOC that’s playing fast and loose) that will have a “liberating” effect on congress. I also expect some rather fast, unexpected “retirements” as the indictments start falling

    I’d really like to see this. But right now, GOP backing is still strong for Trump. And the conservative media is fighting back hard to support him and to prop him up. We shall see. Again, I’m hoping that the midterms not only help the Democrats, but maybe give some Republicans a reason to find their courage.

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    debbie says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Jews for Jesus was founded by a Jew who converted in 1953. He was 20 years old at that time. Technically, maybe a Christian, but I say one can never shed their heritage.

    One of my closest friend’s older brother came home after joining Jews for Jesus. He made the Moonies look like pikers. He’s been out of that group for many years, but I wouldn’t trust him farther than I can throw him.

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    @Litlebritdifrnt:
    Link?

    Also, I’m deeply suspicious of this without some excellent corroborating evidence. It sounds too good to be true. If it is true, though, it would be an offense clearly defined in the Constitution as impeachable (bribery).

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    smintheus says:

    Trump has 2 salient problems with lying:

    1) Liars have to remember all their lies.

    2) Trump’s family wealth has always shielded him from accountability so he has barely ever had to keep his lies straight.

    Even if Trump were fully in command of his mental faculties, (1) would be a huge stretch in a sit down chat with Mueller. But (2) means he would try to wing it with a lot of hand waving rather than prepare seriously for the beatdown he’s facing.

    Trump’s criminal lawyers must be wishing that they had gone straight at some earlier stage in their careers.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt: No worries.

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    Van Buren says:

    @James E Powell: And if the Gods smile upon us and Trump is defeated, by 1/23/21, a Democratic “scandal” will be on page 1 of the FTFNYT , and every day thereafter.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @debbie: I’m one that views Judaism as a religion, not an ethno-nationality, so conversion is conversion. I’ve got no issue if someone decides that a different faith from their original one, or no faith at all, provides them with whatever answers/meaning they’re looking for. The issue with Jews for Jesus and Messianic Jews is that its both a cult and a scam that has been weaponized by evangelical leaders to target Jews for conversion.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Mnemosyne: Back in the 1980’s I had an employee who was born and raised a Jew, but went over to the Jews for Jesus thing. After a while she devoted her lunch hour to going outside and proselytizing (this was in NYC.) After another while, it got to where I had to let her go. Boy, was that awkward.

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    NotMax says:

    OT.

    Gotta be some weird atmospheric concurrence having to do with the passing by of Hurricane Hector. Took almost 50% more water than is usual to get the bread dough to the proper consistency and resilience.

    Priority one today is to have bread in the house. Wondering how or if the rising of the dough will be impacted.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @schrodingers_cat: I’m not kidding. Ham was running both a narcotics and human (women for the sex trade) trafficking network using ISKCON as cover. And there were a lot of murders and other suspicious deaths.

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    Baud says:

    @Mike in DC:

    Strategically Trump

    Let me stop you right there and say that this is actually impossible.

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    The Dangerman says:

    @Mike in DC:

    Strategically Trump could leave VP slot vacant to try to force GOP senators to support him in impeachment…

    Interesting, but, unless Mueller drops something seriously ugly, there is zero chance GOP senators vote to convict. Not a chance, nope, nada, Elvis has left the building chance.

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    @The Dangerman:

    …which goes back to my pondering about can the seat be left open. Have to have someone to break the 50/50 ties in the Senate, no?

    The seat most certainly can be left open. Until the 25th Amendment passed, there was no way of filling the VP’s spot if it came open through a death, resignation, or promotion to the presidency. Even under the 25th Amendment, the spot stays open until it’s filled by confirmation of a new VP. That’s part of the reason there’s a presidential succession that extends past the VP.

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    Jay says:

    @Roger Moore:

    On this day in history, Nixon resigned.

    Treason Tribble Трамп’s not smart enough to flee to Russia while the gettings good.

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    debbie says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I’m with you on the cult and scam. I know nothing more than the personality changes that occurred in my friend’s brother. He never converted so I really had no idea that evangelicals were even involved.

    In fact, he joined Jews for Jesus after leaving the Family. Dude’s always been searching, just in the wrong places.

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    smintheus says:

    @TS (the original): I’ve had quite a few occasions in my life where habitual liars clearly have counted on their friends circling the wagons when their lies are exposed. And they haven’t been disappointed; nearly all of their friends and even many other observers have lashed out at me for having dared to figure out the truth (however consequential), refused to accept the plain evidence, created elaborately improbable fantasies that might explain away the evidence, and insisted on shielding the liars from *any* repercussions. Many, many people will pretend to believe lies rather than confront liars – because they’re squeamish about holding them accountable.

    It sickens me to have dealt with so many such people in my life.

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    @Mike in DC:

    Strategically Trump could leave VP slot vacant to try to force GOP senators to support him in impeachment in order to prevent the Dems from taking over the white house before 2021.

    Or he could nominate somebody he knows the House Democrats would never accept. It would have the same effect in terms of keeping the seat open while giving him a chance to complain about Democratic obstructionism.

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    debbie says:

    @Jay:

    I did not know that until today. “His” Twitter thread has been very active today.

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    debbie says:

    @debbie:

    Gah, not today, I mean just now seeing your post. I used to know that date off the top of my head.

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    efgoldman says:

    @kindness:

    the Green Party is all in on making the US a hellscape and ‘some’ liberals are defending the Greens.

    If they could elect ON person to office, we could take them seriously.
    Just one.
    As it is….

    Fuckem..

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @debbie: I’ll always remember it, because he left the White House on Aug 9, which happened to be my father’s 60th birthday. My father was a pacifist, and most assuredly not a Nixon fan.

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    randy khan says:

    @NotMax:

    And Dolt 45 will submit a name for v.p. (Gorsuch? Ryan? Falwell?) before the ink on the resignation has time to dry.

    The Constitution (actually the 25th Amendment) requires majority votes in both houses of Congress to confirm a new VP after the then-current one has left office. If the Dems control either house, it would have to be someone credible.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Roger Moore: It’s Claude Taylor. One of the Eagles of Justice was sent by the Marshal of the Supreme Court, on orders of President Hatch, to tell him this so he could tell the rest of us.

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    NotMax says:

    @Roger Moore

    And the current Congress could rush through a change in the line of succession at any time. From 1792 to 1886, the President pro tem of the Senate came before the Speaker. From 1886 until 1947, both the Speaker and the President pro tem were not included in the line of succession at all. A change in 1947 restored both the Speaker and President pro tem, but in reverse order from where they had stood previously. If it looks 100% inescapable that the House majority will change as a result of the elections this fall…

    A further remote and time limited possibility is that (if the v.p. slot is vacant) Dolt 45 leaves office after the current Congress adjourns for the session and before a new one is sworn in. As in that particular case there is no Speaker and no President pro tem, the Secretary of State would then become President.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @sukabi: I am thinking the most likely outcome is Trump runs off to Marlogo and goes into a massive sulk, refusing to resign and constantly twitters on how he is so unfairly treated.

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    debbie says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Good for your father. Mine was pro-Nixon and we used to argue over the war incessantly. He finally woke up watching Nixon’s map and pointer speech, and I think that was the end of all of our arguments.

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    NotMax says:

    @efgoldman

    They have. And we still don’t.

    ;)

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    @NotMax:

    If it looks 100% inescapable that the House majority will change as a result of the elections this fall…

    The Senate Democrats will filibuster.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @NotMax: This bread of affliction which we eat, why do we eat it…

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @debbie: My father’s experiences in WWII were formative.

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    randy khan says:

    @Jay:

    On this day in history, Nixon resigned.
    Treason Tribble Трамп’s not smart enough to flee to Russia while the gettings good.

    Technically he just announced his resignation on this date. He left on August 9, and that’s the date on the resignation letter. I’ve always remembered that because it was my mother’s birthday (also the day the atom bomb was dropped on Nagasaki) and she said it was the best birthday present she ever got.

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    rikyrah says:

    Atlanta Black Star (@ATLBlackStar) Tweeted:
    Chicago police parked a truck filled with Nike sneakers in front of a basketball court where underprivileged kids played, with the goal of entrapping them. When the kids went to take shoes out, the police surprised them and arrested the teens. (🎥: @therealremyredd ) https://t.co/pipSw2AhrC https://twitter.com/ATLBlackStar/status/1026858905316601859?s=17

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    In the upcoming Howard Ashman documentary, his sister makes an Elijah joke about him taking a phone call from Jeffrey Katzenberg during the family’s Seder. I grew up around enough Jewish people that I got it, but a chunk of the audience was quite puzzled.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mnemosyne: Ok.

    Who’s Howard Ashman?

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @smintheus:
    So you’ve met my family?

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    NotMax says:

    @Adam L. Silverman

    In order to have the afikoman to keep the kids from getting antsy?

    (Stand clear, please, as the non-Seder savvy rush for Google.)

    :)

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    @Adam L Silverman: I know you were not. I was kidding by calling them nice, when they were everything but.

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    rikyrah says:

    John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) Tweeted:
    so many people – reporters, Rs wishin’-and-hopin’ – keep looking for radical-socialist-Sanders extremism to hijack Democratic Party, Tea Party-style. it’s a fantasy. #AsymmetricPolarization https://t.co/kiE4vOfuRp https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/1027156026464890881?s=17

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @rikyrah:

    Meanwhile, CPD has 37 unsolved shootings just from the past month, but they have plenty of time and money for this sting operation at a playground?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Nobody special. Did a few Disney movies.

    (Stop giggling, you guys!)

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    The Midnight Lurker says:

    Usually, it’s the lawyer who tells the client to shut the hell up. This has to be the first case where somebody needs to tell the client’s lawyers to shut the hell up.

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    hells littlest angel says:

    … he could end up accused of lying to investigators based on his statements …

    How the fuck else could one end up accused of lying?

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    debbie says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    My dad was in the army during Korea and was disappointed they didn’t send him over there. Probably explains why he wasn’t anti-war. But boy, he was against anti-dishonesty!

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    NotMax says:

    Just now noticed that Recent Comments are back.

    Huzzah!

    (Had given up glancing over at the sidebar after they went poof.)

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    @hells littlest angel:

    How the fuck else could one end up accused of lying?

    Mime? I still don’t believe Marcel Marceau was trapped in an invisible box.

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    Mike J says:

    WA Elec update:
    Cathy McMorris Rodgers(Prefers Republican Party) 58,117 47.69%
    Lisa Brown(Prefers Democratic Party) 57,149 46.9
    Dave Saulibio(Prefers Trump Populist Party) 2,920 2.4%
    Jered Gavin Bonneau(Prefers Republican Party) 2,733 2.24%

    CMR last won by 18.7%

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    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon says:

    @Mike J: Are these the results from the primary? Does WA have jungle primaries now?

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    dmsilev says:

    @Mike J: Dare I ask what a “Trump Populist Party” is? Beyond someone who is very very confused, that is.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @zhena gogolia: Never saw it. Nor the cartoon version. I do have a first American printing of Grimms’ Fairy Tales if that helps.

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    lgerard says:

    Actual dialog from a late 1970’s TV show I watched last week

    GUY ” I haven’t liked politics since Nixon left office”

    REPORTER “Oh, are you a Nixon fan?”

    GUY “No. I liked it when he left office”

    Made me laugh

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    Mike J says:

    @Formerly disgruntled in Oregon: Yes and yes. Of course we won’t know the final totals for a few days, but we know what Nov is going to look like.

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    JPL says:

    Chris Collins is going to give a statement. I’m not an attorney, but I’m not sure that’s a good idea.

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    bemused says:

    @Elizabelle:

    A stomach jolting, hanging on by our fingernails ride. Someone, somewhere, somehow, let us off now!

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    Mike in Pasadena says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: We know that Trump is a vindictive ahole and thin skinned. So would you really recommend that HRC troll Trump?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    “Beauty and the Beast” is not one of the Grimms’ fairy tales. It’s from France. In fact, none of the fairytale movies Ashman did came from the Grimms, now that I think about it.

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    Calouste says:

    @JPL: Unless the statement is that he is resigning from Congress.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @JPL: Narrator: It was not a good idea.

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    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon says:

    @Mike J: Nice results!

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    bemused says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    “meth addled pack of hyenas” is brilliant! You do have a gift for descriptive phrasing.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mnemosyne: That’s fine, but I still have a first American printing of Grimms’ Fairy Tales.

    Also, if you check with schrodinger’s cat, I’m pretty sure Beauty and the Beast is based on something from ancient India.//

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    rikyrah says:

    Karine Jean-Pierre (@K_JeanPierre) Tweeted:
    Russian operatives have “penetrated” some of Florida’s election systems ahead of the 2018 midterms, Sen. Bill Nelson said Wednesday, adding new urgency about hacking. https://t.co/3RG83NEYYQ https://twitter.com/K_JeanPierre/status/1027330063044366336?s=17

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    Calouste says:

    @dmsilev: In WA the candidate can put anything down in the “prefers party” column, whether there is an actual party with that name or not. I haven’t checked the voter pamphlet to see if there was a candidate that prefers the “Leopards eating people’s faces party”.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @James E Powell: all of this.

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    hilts says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Trump is endangering Republicans as well

    Trump is endangering this planet like no other President. His ignorance and malevolence are off the fucking charts. I’m not confident that he’ll be out of office early.
    It would be nice if Democrats could get behind a nominee early and avoid a long, bitter nomination process.

    Do you have a Democrat you’d like to see run against Trump in 2018? My choice is Kirsten Gillibrand.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Gin & Tonic:
    Rand is a Russian fanboy, like his father

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    terry chay says:

    @James E Powell: That is a luxury we can afford because the economy is doing well. When the economy crashes, it’s going to be very difficult to predict what will happen next.

    Take that into account when you try to predict any future re: the state of our politics in 2020.

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    @Jay:

    On this day in history, Nixon resigned.

    No, he announced that he would resign; he resigned at noon the next day while somewhere over central Missouri.

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    Pogonip says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Maybe they want a good excuse to celebrate both sets of holidays? 😁

    One of my aunts is a Theravada Buddhist, my uncle was Roman Catholic. They had 3 weddings—one for each religion + a civil ceremony, covering all bases and then some. My aunt wore a bridal dress + veil for the Catholic wedding and a pink dress for the other 2.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    True fact: the oldest known version of “Cinderella” is from China.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Pogonip: Mazel Tov!

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Yarrow:

    Congress will be slow to confirm a traitor’s nominee.

    No signs of that to date. Assuming a better or even a more rational nature of the GOP in Congress is an exercise in futility. They are in so deep to treason that they as a party and almost certainly as invdividuals literally will not survive any other course of action but forward and hope they roll triple sixes on a full Fascism takeover.

    This is a fight to the death. Winner take all.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @schrodingers_cat: I go out of my way to tee it up for you and this is what I get?//

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mnemosyne: That I knew.

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    sukabi says:

    @Formerly disgruntled in Oregon: yes to jungle primaries. Here’s a link to the results.. “Proud boy” Joey Gibson got a whopping 2.2%

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    Mnemosyne says:

    The most famous non-Disney work by Ashman and Menken. Should be the original theatrical version, not the darker ending.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @hilts:

    My choice is Kirsten Gillibrand.

    Long bitter nomination fight it is!

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    Mike J says:

    @sukabi: Cantwell got more votes than the other 28 candidates combined.

    And Rocky De La Fuente not only ran in WA, he also ran for Senate in seven other states.

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    tybee says:

    i was, briefly, related to this twit: http://blog.al.com/living-news.....sh_co.html

    if you run across him, tell him you know the guy that pissed in his tennis shoes. :)

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