Trumplosion Open Thread: Tick, Tick, Tick…


Of course this is not exactly new “news”, but if true, it would certainly explain this morning’s xtra-spatial tweet-rants…

Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office wants to ask President Donald Trump about obstruction of justice, sources close to the White House tell ABC News. According to sources, the president learned within the last day that the special counsel will limit the scope of questioning and would like to ask questions both orally and written for the President to respond to.

According to sources familiar with the President’s reaction Wednesday morning, that was the genesis for his early morning tweet storm…

Negotiations over a potential presidential interview have gone on for months, through several different iterations of the Trump legal team. Current lead attorney, Rudy Giuliani, told ABC News a week ago that his team had submitted a response to Mueller asking to limit the scope of an interview with Trump especially as it relates to obstruction of justice…

The president’s legal team declined to comment when reached by ABC News about specific details on the special counsel’s responses.

The special counsel’s office has not responded to a request for comment from ABC News…

I wouldn’t buy a car or a political campaign from Rick Wilson, but he *is* a longtime professional at this stuff:


Worst of it is, Wilson’s not entirely wrong about us Democrats, either. Half our current discontents are almost certainly down to Russian interference and the horseshoe ‘true progressives‘ who wouldn’t actually vote for a Democrat under any circumstances, but our party has a history going back to the original Gilded Age of being its own second-worst enemy.

ETA:

159 replies
  1. 1
    Luthe says:

    Eh, on occasion we Dems can get it together. See Obama, Barack.

    (also, the line about terrible leaders explains *so much* about my former workplace)

  2. 2
    TenguPhule says:

    The current crisis will test three groups of leaders. First, Trump and his WH.

    Two groups of leaders and those bozos in the whitehouse, then.

  3. 3
    zhena gogolia says:

    When he talks about the Democrats I don’t think he’s referring to what you’re referring to. I think what he calls “dumb issue rabbit holes” are things like racial, sexual, and economic equality. He ain’t talking about free college and single payer.

  4. 4

    The first couple of Rick Wilson tweets remind me of something I like to say every so often:

    If you are a public person accused of doing something wrong and you have done nothing wrong, it’s a good idea to say that and support it with as much evidence as you can.

    The fact that Trump keeps doing otherwise suggests that he has done something wrong.

  5. 5
    Elizabelle says:

    Are Democrats really that awful? I get tired of that narrative. Just because “the smarts” are saying it, I don’t know that we should.

    If Democrats can’t get it together and their ideas are so appalling and narrowcasted, why do you need this huge voting suppression scheme?

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    TenguPhule says:

    but our party has a history going back to the original Gilded Age of being its own second-worst enemy.

    To be fair, back then half the original party were modern Republicans who hated black men.

  7. 7
    zhena gogolia says:

    @Elizabelle:

    I know, it’s so exhausting.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Elizabelle:

    If Democrats can’t get it together and their ideas are so appalling and narrowcasted, why do you need this huge voting suppression scheme?

    See “Dick Dastardly Stops to Cheat” at tvtropes.

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    Half our current discontents are almost certainly down to Russian interference and the horseshoe ‘true progressives‘ who wouldn’t actually vote for a Democrat under any circumstances

    Tales told by idiots full of sound and fury and, unfortunately, with just enough believers to swing close elections. We shall see, but I don’t think wasting energy fighting on the leftern front helps much.

  10. 10
    Steeplejack says:

    I am afraid, or reluctant, to look at the news. I turned on the TV a while ago and put MSNBC on pause to build up a “speed through the commercials and boring/​awful bits” buffer, but I haven’t started in on the weeknight routine, because I had a pretty good news-free day.

    Out the door at 8:00 a.m. to take a friend to a post-op rehab appointment. While she was doing that I went to Trader Joe’s and looked at every individual item in the store because the place was pleasantly empty after just opening. Ended up spending twice what I normally do. (I can’t take TJ’s seriously as a “regular” store, but I go there for my instant coffee and other “special” odds and ends.) Picked the friend up and went for a leisurely breakfast at IHOP. Took her home, stopped at the state liquor store for margarita fixin’s and was home and back in bed by noon with a gratifying feeling of accomplishment. (I’m still trying to get over the cold from hell. It’s pretty much gone except for extreme fatigue, so I’ve been napping a lot.)

    Had a good snooze, and since I got up I’ve been catching up on the Balloon Juice threads. Even that second-hand exposure to the news is a little daunting. I guess I’m in that bind that a lot of us are: gotta keep up with the news to know what’s going on, but, damn, so much of the news in Trump world is awful! Regular time-outs are definitely a plus.

    Oh, well, time to fix a marg and fire up Ari Melber.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @TenguPhule:
    Oh for fuck’s sake. If our elections were truly free and fair the Republicans would get their asses handed to them.

    Also, wonder what the GOP big wigs think of Freedom House downgrading us to a flawed democracy?

  12. 12
    lynn says:

    Someone out there likes to poke that bear. They need to keep it up.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    When he talks about the Democrats I don’t think he’s referring to what you’re referring to. I think what he calls “dumb issue rabbit holes” are things like racial, sexual, and economic equality. He ain’t talking about free college and single payer.

    Gotta admit, the True Progressives who bitch & moan about how Democrats should start using “xe” for all pronouns in their tv ads, or that siding with unions privileges the already employed, are… not necessarily as helpful as they earnestly believe themselves to be.

    I figure at least 75% of them are trolls and/or purity-abstainers, but do you remember Mr. Dooley talking about Goo-Goos and the Blue Ribbon Brigade? We have, alas, retained custody of their descendants.

  15. 15
    debbie says:

    I don’t see how Trump’s tweet saying Sessions should fire Mueller isn’t some form of obstruction.

  16. 16
    Ben Cisco says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Agreed. Go after votes we can get and quit chasing the ones we won’t.

  17. 17
    TenguPhule says:

    Trump indicated Wednesday that he may wait until after the November midterm elections to shut down the government, even as he insisted that a shutdown would be good politics.

    “Now, the shutdown could also take place after the election. I happen to think it’s a great political thing, because people want border security,” Trump told talk radio host Rush Limbaugh after calling into his show.

    Trump said “there are many people within our party that are good people” that are not in favor of a pre-election shutdown.

    “They’d rather do it after. They don’t agree on doing it before, and I accept their opinion, but I happen to think it would be a good thing to do before,” Trump said. “I actually think we’d get more and there’d be more pressure on the other side, because we’re doing it because the Democrats are not giving us the votes.”

    Trump suggests he may postpone government shutdown until after midterms

    Assuming Democrats win a majority, I can see how very stupid voters would blame them for this, completely forgetting they won’t get seated till 2019.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @zhena gogolia: I follow Wilson on Twitter (he’s funny!), and I’ve seen him refer to things like the movement to abolish ICE as rabbit hole issues. Not sure about Medicare for All, etc. IMO, it’s unwise for Democrats to take advice from Republican strategists, even if they loathe Trump like Wilson does. IMO, we’d be fools to chase Never Trump Republicans; there aren’t enough of them to make a difference. It’s Trump’s party now, and that’s Wilson’s problem, not ours. We shouldn’t have to expand our tent to include him and his ilk — let them fight the crazies for control of their party. If they vote for Democrats as the lesser of two evils in the meantime, that’s all to the good, but enticing them shouldn’t be our goal. Our focus should be on pulling non-voters off the sidelines and herding Democrats to the polls.

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    catpal says:

    So my landlord’s dog bit me when I got home this evening and she said it was My fault. Its not a bad bite – no bleeding although the little maniac dog did break skin a little – probably gonna bruise. I am a pet lover – even a rescue volunteer – so I’m not looking to punish the dog but She hasn’t even asked me if I am ok – she’s not very nice sometimes – should I be worried about a legal issue with the mean landlord about this?

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    JPL says:

    Rick Wilson is not our friend. He understands that he is losing the party that he once supported, but Max Boot was willing to use his name in support of Hillary Where was Rick? He used Cleland’s injuries against him without batting an eyelid. He’s scum.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @catpal:

    So my landlord’s dog bit me when I got home this evening and she said it was My fault.

    Start documenting everything and prepare for a lawsuit.

    should I be worried about a legal issue with the mean landlord about this?

    YES.

  22. 22
    Anne Laurie says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Our focus should be on pulling non-voters off the sidelines and herding Democrats to the polls.

    Seconded, and starred!

  23. 23
    Elizabelle says:

    Really hit that wound with antiseptic — use alcohol or some of that alcohol gel. Doggies’ mouths can have nasty bacteria in them.

    Maybe photograph the wound, and make a note on your calendar? Hopefully this never happens again. I wonder if it has before, with someone else …

  24. 24
    Yarrow says:

    @Steeplejack: Are you still coughing from the cold? Or is it something else you can’t get over?

  25. 25
    lollipopguild says:

    In 1972 Nixon would have won easily over McGovern, but being Dick Nixon he HAD to cheat. The current generation of GOP”ers are his spawn. They must WIN at all costs, because, and they MUST CHEAT.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Anne Laurie: there was a story the other day about Collins and Murkowski not feeling the heat on Kavanaugh (I can’t say I was surprised– as I’ve often said I haven’t seen the broad left get worked up about the Supreme Court since Clarence Thomas, and more than a quarter of a century later, he’s still there). On that day, I also saw a tweet from Wilmer– with his new sidekick AOC in the accompanying picture– calling on Democrats to stop being the party of the 1% and allow young people in (or words to that effect). I don’ know if he could turn the tide in Maine, much less Alaska*, but Kavanaugh will be a far greater friend to the 1% than Nancy Pelosi or even Chuck Schumer, or the dread Manchin or baffling Heitkamp, and probably for longer than any of them will be in office.

    * or NV or AZ to hit a couple of my other hobby horses.

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    JPL says:

    @catpal: If you think the dog is dangerous and broke the skin, have it checked out. They will report it
    They meaning the doctor office.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Trump has instructed his top trade representative to consider imposing a 25 percent tariff on $200 billion in Chinese imports, a much stiffer penalty than previously proposed, senior administration officials said Wednesday.

    The penalty would apply to a broad range of products, including refrigerators, bedsheets, clothing, furniture and toilet paper. Business groups have warned that such a steep tariff could drive up prices for millions of consumers and a number of them panned the White House announcement Wednesday.

    And Trump is doubling down on his doubling down on China.

    /Our economy is so fucked.

  29. 29
    clay says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    IMO, it’s unwise for Democrats to take advice from Republican strategists, even if they loathe Trump like Wilson does.

    ‘S true. Wilson and the like may be temporary allies — and I accept their anti-Trump support gladly and readily — but when they offer advice to Democrats, it’s usually some form of “I wish Democrats were more like the Republican party in my head.”

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    jl says:

    @Anne Laurie: Glad you agree on that. Count me in too. Let’s concentrate on that until after November. Then we can concentrate on sorting out the lesser sheep from the lesser goats that contributed to the problem.

  31. 31

    @Anne Laurie:

    Gotta admit, the True Progressives who bitch & moan about how Democrats should start using “xe” for all pronouns in their tv ads, or that siding with unions privileges the already employed, are… not necessarily as helpful as they earnestly believe themselves to be.

    I figure at least 75% of them are trolls and/or purity-abstainers

    Damn they’re loud though.

    @Betty Cracker:

    I follow Wilson on Twitter (he’s funny!), and I’ve seen him refer to things like the movement to abolish ICE as rabbit hole issues.

    I would have to see good polling on “Abolish ICE” before I weighed in on whether it’s good or bad sloganeering. I happen to think bad, but again, polling. Kind of irrelevant now since it’s a vanguard Dem rallying cry. Policy-wise, sure, but… “abolish immigrations and customs enforcement”, I mean, the attacks write themselves.

  32. 32
    Jay says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    ” and I’ve seen him refer to things like the movement to abolish ICE as rabbit hole issues. Not sure about Medicare for All, etc. IMO, it’s unwise for Democrats to take advice from Republican strategists, even if they loathe Trump like Wilson does”

    Democratic Party- medicare, medicaid, taxes, local issues, ICE, fight for $15, social justice,

    Rethug Party- bigfoot porn, Qanon, Wall

    MSM- omg, Democrats are running against Trump, big mistake! Bothsides! Cletus Safari!

  33. 33
    ruemara says:

    I have to be frank, the lefty side ratfucking has already started. Because our trope is that we’re so woke, so aware and so gosh-darned smart – we don’t get caught up in memes, rumours or cults of personality. So we’re pretty much not willing to learn.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Yarrow:

    No, the coughing subsided as the chest congestion subsided. Still have an occasional cough, but nothing like before. Now it’s down to just the fatigue, which is still a big deal. I was wiped out after my mild expedition this morning. But each day I definitely feel better.

  35. 35

    @Jay: “Cletus Safari!”

    lol!

  36. 36
    Yarrow says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    I follow Wilson on Twitter (he’s funny!), and I’ve seen him refer to things like the movement to abolish ICE as rabbit hole issues.

    I agree with him and others who say that “abolish ICE” is bad politics. It makes it sound like Democrats want to do away with border security altogether. That in turn plays into stereotypes of Democrats as being weak on immigration issues. If you look at the Russian bot network trackers you can see that the “abolish ICE” hashtag is also greatly pushed by and perhaps even started by Russian bot and troll networks. That information always gives me pause in supporting a movement like that. Why is Russia so keen on pushing “abolish ICE?” Probably because it pushes at already existing divisions in the country.

    A better way of framing it is “reform ICE.” That includes the good parts – ICE as it stands needs reform — and doesn’t add in the negative perception that Democrats want to do away with border security.

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    Baud says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Are Democrats really that awful? 

    Just me.

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    TommoRolassi says:

    @catpal: well, you’ll only have a legal issue if you assert your rights, no? Depending on the state/locality, there can be strict liability for dog bites (there isn’t necessarily the “one ‘free’ bite rule” of old). If the bite broke the skin, you owe it to yourself to rule out rabies. You should be able to do this by observing the dog, assuming it doesn’t go missing. Because of that risk, my inclination would be to report it to authorities so that you can get support to obtain vaccination records/quarantine-in-place/dog-house-arrest as necessary to make sure rabies isn’t a factor.

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    catpal says:

    @21 TenguPhule, @23 Elizabelle Thank you for advice. Not sure what legal can happen from her perspective – she blamed me that I should have waited for her to come out of the house to get the dog. Legally my concern is that she did not ask me to sign a new year long lease yet – and I did not request a new lease because I have been thinking about moving soon if I get a new job – so I don’t know where we legally stand right now – I am not the vengeful type at all – but she can be mean sometimes. – using triple antibiotic ointment on it for now.

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    Mary G says:

    @Elizabelle: Rick has an economic interest in perpetuating this view of things, because at some point Trump will implode and he’s going back to work for another less shouty facist “conservative.” He and Tom Nichols are entertaining, but not allies. I follow them on Twitter and their fan grrls and bois are always bringing up names for Democratic candidates. They find something wrong with all of the ones they respond to, mostly that they are way too liberal to be elected. The ones they ignore, like Adam Schiff, are the ones they’re really scared of.

    And while he’s not wrong that sometimes the party resembles the dog in “Up,” constantly seeing squirrels, there is a hard core of citizens, mostly but not limited to middle-aged women, who have their eye on the ball.

    The biggest news in my day today is that the Michigan Supreme Court voted to allow Voters Not Politician’s initiative to amend the state constitution to take redistricting away from the pols and give it to an independent commission instead to go onto the ballot for November. It was 4-3, way too close, but still encouraging that the rule of law still has a toehold. Obama and Holder are also working hard on this, and Paul Waldman has a great piece in WaPo’s Plum Line today about it: Democrats must fight harder for voting rights and fair elections.

    That might sound good, but frankly, it’s pathetic. This is potentially a huge year at the polls for Democrats, and they’ve only been able to put a handful of election measures on state ballots. If they put half the effort into securing voting rights and fair elections that Republicans have put into undermining them, the political landscape of America would be transformed.

    There are 26 states, plus D.C., that allow some form of ballot initiative. Every one of them should be a target for initiatives that accomplish the following, at a minimum:

    Creation of an independent redistricting commission
    Repeal of voter-ID laws
    Reform of voter purge laws
    Automatic voter registration
    Same-day registration
    Expanded early voting
    Repeal of felon disenfranchisement

    This is what Democrats need to face about themselves. We love a charismatic figure like Obama, but under the hood nuts and bolts are boring. Sometime boring is important and needs more attention, not less.

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    Yarrow says:

    @catpal: Ask the landlord for a copy of the dog’s current vaccinations. She may have to get it from the vet but if the dog is up to date on them it shouldn’t be that hard for her to get. Tell her you are concerned, you do not want to have to report it but you’d like to see for yourself that the dog is current on shots. If she won’t give you that then that’s a definite red flag. Probably it’s not a big deal since it isn’t bleeding but good to be safe.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Baud: You are so awful that it makes me sad that you do not seem to be around as much as usual. Awful indeed.

    PS: speaking of awful, and LOL: the other Brooks who gets a FTF NY Times column, Arthur C. of the American Enterprise Institute — suggests we all take a powder from politics for a while. Because we are all becoming unpopular, because we are so strident.

    As with Bobo, the reader comments are smarter and see right through that “take a vacation just before the midterms”crap.

    Need a Politics Cleanse? Go Ahead and Treat Yourself.
    Overwhelmed by current events? You can skip a few weeks without losing track of the plot.

    Foo on the FTF NYT. Although maybe, just maybe, it’s actually a window into how awful it is to be a Republican/glibertarian once people have figured out what you’re really up to.

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    ruemara says:

    @Elizabelle: You know, despite all the evil the right does, hating on Democrats has been the norm for as long as I’ve been alive. They have to be angels, they’re considered profligate spenders, they’re always weak no matter how many dumbass wars they’ve started or finished – it’s endless. I have no idea why the media is like this and even with the rise of explicitly LEFT media, it’s the same nonsense, but this time Dems are cheap, warmongerers, & craven sell-outs to oligarchs/the establishment. Fairly sick of Fox & Democracy Now, I suppose. Hating on Dems is just a money train.

  44. 44
    The Midnight Lurker says:

    @debbie: Rest assured – it IS obstruction.

  45. 45

    @ruemara: it’s so weird how everybody hates the plurality political party.

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    Platonailedit says:

    raygun – shrub – traitorous thug

    Carter – Clinton – Obama

    Fuck rick.

  47. 47

    @Baud: We love you anyway, Baud.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Rhetorical question in our topsy-turvy time line: How is a government shutdown a legitimate policy tool of the head of that government?!

    ETA: I was going to say “In what parallel universe is a government shutdown,” but apparently we’re living in that universe.

  49. 49
    Elizabelle says:

    @Mary G:

    the Michigan Supreme Court voted to allow Voters Not Politician’s initiative to amend the state constitution to take redistricting away from the pols and give it to an independent commission instead to go onto the ballot for November.

    That’s fabulous news. Yea. We need to promote the good stuff that is happening.

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    Catherine D. says:

    @catpal: As has been said, get the vaccination records. If there’s any redness/swelling, get thee to a doctor, especially if your tetanus shot is out of date. In the meantime, wash the wound with betadine scrub.

  51. 51

    Li’l Stinker* update: Still no bloom.

    *For those that haven’t been following along, Li’l Stinker is the diminutive corpse flower(by corpse flower standards) at The Huntington that’s fixin’ to bloom any day now.

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    evodevo says:

    @catpal: I’m a mail carrier and I get in this bind all the time …the quickest way to scotch it is to ask her the number of her homeowner’s insurance agent, stating that you are going to file a claim. THAT usually gets the attention of even the idiots …on the other hand, she could also throw you out of your rental for ….whatever. Oh, and triple antibiotic ointment won’t kill viruses. I would raise a stink about rabies…

  53. 53
    stinger says:

    Rick Wilson’s tweet #13: “…for just a moment Americans opened their eyes again.”

    News for ya, bud – 66 million Americans had their eyes open on November 8, 2016, and the women’s marches and special elections since then clearly show that those eyes haven’t closed.

    Oh, sorry, forgot — only Trump voters are “Americans”.

  54. 54
    debbie says:

    @ruemara:

    You know, despite all the evil the right does, hating on Democrats has been the norm for as long as I’ve been alive.

    Certainly, as far back as the 1960s. I wonder if it was the student rebelliousness that started it all. There’s always been contentiousness between the parties, but those hippies must have really freaked out the conservatives.

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    TS (the original) says:

    @catpal:

    she blamed me that I should have waited for her to come out of the house to get the dog.

    She sure sounds like a republican. In my part of the world, a dog, outside, without a leash is ALWAYS in the wrong.

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    ruemara says:

    @debbie: And then they became them.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    “Tick, tick, tick”, Anne?

    Should be “Tick, tock, motherfucker”.

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    lollipopguild says:

    @Baud: A spoonful of sugar makes the Bauud go down. Baud/Mary Poppins/2020!

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    Platonailedit says:

    @debbie:

    Aren’t most of those hippies trumpanzees now?

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    Mary G says:

    @Platonailedit: As one of those hippies, I resemble that remark and the answer is no.

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    MomSense says:

    @Steeplejack:

    I think the exhaustion is also the constant exposure to the awfulness of trump world. I know I’ve been feeling it, too.

    Tonight I had a beer and then some caprese salad. Now I’m fixing some beautiful, locally farmed lentils with lots of garlic and onion and a little tomato paste and red wine vinegar. Lately my diet has been too rushed and too carbed. I need healthy food. instead of the stress eating.

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    @Platonailedit: 53% of those 65 and older voted for Trump, if I’m reading this graph right: https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2016/11/09/the-2016-elections-generation-gap-infographic/#764574f9497b

    The hippies were the minority of boomers and I guess they still are.

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    catpal says:

    Thanks to All for advice. I will request dog’s vaccination records – but I really don’t want to go to doctor if I don’t have to.

    I am mostly a lurker but I read here everyday – and I appreciate that you have taken the time to reply to me and offer advice. This is the best place with the best people!!

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    Platonailedit says:

    Best response to tapper, the tool.

    Mueller has "put up" indictments of 32 people and 3 Russian companies.

    https://t.co/SvyXqOCxQz— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) August 1, 2018

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    MomSense says:

    @A Ghost To Most:

    Maybe it’s like duck duck goose. Tick tick tick tick tick tick TOCK!

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    narya says:

    @Yarrow: yes, absolutely do this. you should also file a report with animal control.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @Elizabelle: If it broke the skin they should get it looked at asap. I got nipped by my usually very placid late pug when I got between her and another dog who was being….assertive. Tiny little tooth mark, gigantic infection and finally surgery.
    Any legal issue should be the worry of the dog’s owner who is responsible for any damage the dog does.

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    MomSense says:

    @ruemara:

    I mostly ignore Rick Wilson. When he apologizes sincerely for what he did to Max Cleland and his role in making the Republican Party deplorable, I’ll pay more attention to his opinions.

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    Platonailedit says:

    Sarah Sanders just said that Trump's Mueller/Sessions tweet is "not an order. It's the president's opinion."

    Last year, Sean Spicer said Trump's tweets were official statements.

    https://t.co/ZCGy6Gp4Z5— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) August 1, 2018

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    germy says:

    @Gelfling 545:

    Any legal issue should be the worry of the dog’s owner who is responsible for any damage the dog does.

    Sounds like the dog’s owner is following the trump playbook: “The best defense is a good offense”

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    Mary G says:

    Illinois House Republican @Nick_Sauer, who served on a sexual harassment task force, will resign today after he reportedly created a fake Instagram account and posted nude photos of his ex-girlfriend to lure men into "graphic" discussions. https://t.co/2lGE0mRkZN pic.twitter.com/3W2qc0rIF8— Keith Boykin (@keithboykin) August 1, 2018

    I swear, it sickens me, but I am becoming more and more convinced that somewhere there’s a pizza parlor with a basement where Republicans sexually abuse children. I bet Secretary Nielsen is involved.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    As with all of the similar crap over the past couple of weeks, this is a Rudy Giuliani leak. There is no way, shape, or form that Special Counsel Mueller is going to negotiate with Rudy over this stuff. He has a Federal grand jury he can use to subpoena the President and compel his testimony, which can then be used to negotiate what, if any, limits Mueller is willing to accept. Until or unless an announcement about this comes from either the Office of the Special Counsel or the Office of the Deputy Attorney General, then it is simply Rudy Giuliani trying to distract from what is really going on.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    It’s Trump’s party now, and that’s Wilson’s problem, not ours. We shouldn’t have to expand our tent to include him and his ilk — let them fight the crazies for control of their party

    Amen and AY-MEN!

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    Aimai says:

    @catpal: if the skin was broken get it looked at. The wapo has a horrific story about a guy who ended up with amputated limbs from an untreated infected dog bite that was nothing but a scratch.

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    smintheus says:

    @Yarrow: A better way of framing it is “reform ICE.”

    The way to frame it is: Stop caging immigrant children.

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    normal liberal says:

    @catpal:
    Carpal-before you have any further conversation with the landlady, go to the nearest walk-in clinic and have the bite examined. This gets you more reliable treatment than first aid cream, and creates a record that you were bitten. See if whoever you see has any advice about who and whether you should call to report the bite.
    I hope you are located where such a clinic is handy, you have a way to get to it, and insurance. If insurance is an issue, you will be better off than if you wait for the wound to worsen (if it does) and wind up in an ER.
    Planning to move sounds like a good idea.

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    smedley the uncertain says:

    @TenguPhule: If the skin is punctured I’d visit the local clinic for a tetanus shot. Preventive medicine and a record of the incident.

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    debit says:

    @catpal: Hold on, the dog was out, unattended and it bit you. What if a kid had entered the yard? I say report it. You all know how much I love animals, dogs especially, but a dog that bites is dangerous. It bit you, was not corrected, and now it’s emboldened to do it again. REPORT IT. Or use the threat of reporting for leverage, then find a new place ASAP.

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    catpal says:

    @germy: Yep that is who this dog owner is – blame the other person. Since I didn’t get an “Are you ok? yet – shes probably thinking something legal – worried about protecting herself or attacking me about this – so I’m concerned.

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    debbie says:

    @Platonailedit:

    Fuck, no, man.

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    The Midnight Lurker says:

    @Platonailedit: NO! NOT all of us!

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Our local corpse flower, Mort, at the Buffalo Botanical Garden bloomed unexpectedly out of its usual cycle in June. It was a big deal here. A second one, Fester, bloomed in July.

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    Jay says:

    @Mary G:

    It’s the White House.

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    The Midnight Lurker says:

    @Mary G: I’m right with you, Mary G. We have to stick together as the number of our generation that didn’t sell out is few indeed.

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    debit says:

    @debit: And cant edit my own comment, so adding: I don’t blame the dog. I totally blame the owner and feel horrible about my advice, but again, what if a kid had wandered into the yard, or stuck a hand through the fence? The dog bites and it needs to be dealt with.

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    The Midnight Lurker says:

    @Mary G: There is an awful amount of ‘projection’ with these Republicans.

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    debit says:

    @debit: And finally, make the asshole owner pay for the doctor’s visit. It’s her dog, her property, her responsibility.

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    joel hanes says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    I think what he calls “dumb issue rabbit holes” are things like racial, sexual, and economic equality.

    Interesting how different our perceptions can be.
    I took it to refer to “the primary was rigged”.

    ETA: and now I’ve read the descriptions of who Rick Wilson is, and I see my own reading was probably misguided.

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    The Midnight Lurker says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Totally agree! Rudy is a weapon of mass distraction.

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    JPL says:

    @catpal: If you decide to go to the doctor, the office will follow up. It is then not left up to you, which might be a good thing. At least think about it.

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    Yarrow says:

    @catpal: If your previous lease is finished then you are on month-to-month and she can probably give you 30 days notice at any time. You need to factor how soon you can/want to move into any interaction with her because if she thinks you’re a “problem” she’ll give you notice.

    I don’t really understand what happened with the dog but if you are not free to enter and exit the building you are paying rent for without her permission (as in “you should have waited for me to get the dog”) then that’s a problem. As a renter you should have access at all times, barring unusual circumstances, to your dwelling. If it’s explicitly listed in the rental agreement that the dog thing is an issue (you have to wait for her to clear the dog from the yard or something like that), that’s different. Otherwise, she’s at fault for not controlling her animal in your presence.

    You also might want to be thinking if you want to be living in a place with a mean landlady and a dog who has already bitten you once.

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    debbie says:

    @catpal:

    Do what these guys are telling you to do — go to urgent care and get the wound tended. Make sure it won’t get worse. Then call Animal Control. Debit’s right: What if the dog had bitten a child?

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    lgerard says:

    @Yarrow:

    it is interesting that the most important part of ICE, Homeland Security Investigations, which deals with human smuggling, terrorism, financial crimes, and transnational gangs, wants to abolish ICE as well.
    They do not want to be associated with the yahoos grabbing law abiding people off the streets and jailing children

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    smintheus says:

    @catpal: If you can’t prove that the dog has a recent rabies shot, then you do need to go to a doctor.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @catpal: I’m thinking maybe you want to call someone about your rights as a tenant without a lease — maybe Legal Aid? I don’t want you evicted before you have somewhere else to live, that is if your landlady turns really nasty after you ask about her dog’s vaccination records.

    Hopefully you live in a jurisdiction where it is hard for a landlord to evict a tenant and that will give you some breathing time if you need it.

    Anyway, Welcome out of lurkdom, nice to meet you!

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    smintheus says:

    @Gelfling 545: I came close to losing a finger last week because of an infection I got from a hawthorne needle in the woods.

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    Aimai says:

    @catpal: go to the er and get it seen. The wapo had an awful story about a guy dho got a scratch from a dog and ended up an amputee. Tetanus snd Rabies are not the only issue.

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    catpal says:

    a doctor visit for an animal bite in NYS is automatically reported to County Board of Health – with dog quarantine in home if it has had updated shots and followup and paperwork for dog owner – who in this case will be pretty annoyed I think.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Betty Cracker: The issue is not abolishing ICE, the issue is separating it out. I’m over due to do a post on this, but as someone who has done training inservice for an ICE field office, one of the major problems is that when ICE was created it fused together to very different law enforcement functions and two very different types of Federal law enforcement officers.

    The first are the suit and tie folks. They are highly educated and their jobs are to track down and build cases against human traffickers, as well as a variety of smugglers of various types and coordinating with the FBI and the FIN-CEN folks from Treasury, as well as Secret Service on these cases. The second are the door kickers. These are the folks tasked with rounding up undocumented entries and undocumented overstays. They’re usually not as well educated. And what drives them is being allowed to be very tactical and very in the moment. As in “there’s a bunch of undocumented entries working at business X, so let’s go get them!!!!” The two cultures don’t interact well at all and in my experience the leadership in the ICE field offices, the Supervisory Agents in Charge and the Deputy Supervisory Agents in Charge come from the first group – the suit and tie folks. In fact the field office I did the inservice for was run by a female Supervisory Agent in Charge who had two male deputies and one female deputy. There is also a third group of personnel who are analysts and public affairs officers (both groups tend to be in the better educated groups) and administrative support staff.

    What needs to be done is that the former mission, along with the analysts and public affairs folks and the administrative support folks need to be peeled off and allowed to conduct their mission dealing with human trafficking and smuggling. Spot customs enforcement at points of entry needs to be handed off to Customs and Border Protection, which also needs reform. The tactical door kicking and round them up mission needs to be taken away and reconceptualized, which needs to include tight oversight control. And while I’m usually a big fan of unions, both public and private sector, the ICE and C&BP unions need to be dissolved.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I’m willing to believe that Mueller is willing to limit his questions to Trump because he doesn’t need Trump’s testimony in most cases. For much of this stuff, he doesn’t need Trump’s statement because Trump has already either stated his intentions or he doesn’t need Trump’s statement to convict.

    For Obstruction charges, the subject’s mental state and aims are absolutely something he needs to ask Trump about. He can get Trump on “lying to the FBI” as well, depending on Trumps’ answers. Win-Win.

    Of course, I could also just be egregiously wrong.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @catpal: I’m not a lawyer, but provided you have your shots, I recommend biting your landlord.//

    More seriously, I hope you don’t bruise up to badly.

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    Eric S. says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Everyone roots for the underdog.

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    satby says:

    @TenguPhule: @catpal: in many jurisdictions, dog bites need to be reported if you end up having to go to the doctor. That shouldn’t discourage you from seeking medical help if you need it. And if she’s the kind of pet owner that doesn’t keep her animal’s immunizations up to date that dog could get quarantined.

    How much more time is on your lease? Because control of their pets is the owner’s responsibility, and her blaming you is a bad sign.

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    Joel says:

    Worst of it is, Wilson’s not entirely wrong about us Democrats, either.

    Unless you’re planning on a Committee of Public Safety type governance, making compromises and horse trading is the order of the day.

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    debit says:

    @catpal: Then she should have better controlled her dog, or kept it confined so it didn’t have the opportunity to bite. That she’s upset you interacted with with it absent her there to control the situation tells me she KNOWS it’s aggressive. I know it impacts your living situation, but you need to take care of you. If it were me, I would knock on the door and say, “look, I’m going to have this checked out. You need to have your vet records handy. I will also be getting legal advice about my rights.” Then walk away.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @catpal: Also, please let us know what the doctor says/does and what happens to your housing situation. Else we’ll worry.

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    TommoRolassi says:

    @evodevo: of course, the USPS also has the additional firepower of how they tell the whole street that they can’t have their mail delivered anymore because of the offending dog, right? Stay safe out there! :^)

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    When’s your next post?

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    @Mary G:
    Great, this clown lives just up the road a few miles from me….

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    satby says:

    @debit: most medical providers are mandated reporters of dog bites. When my younger son was bitten by a neighborhood dog, I was surprised by the police showing up in the ER to question is about the dog.
    They will handle all the discovery of recent vaccination records too. catpal just had to go to the doctor.

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    JMG says:

    A significant number of ICE personnel are engaging in crimes against humanity under international and I suspect US law (we signed a bunch of treaties). Those people must be separated from the organization and then investigated and prosecuted. The rest should be assigned to desks in Havre, Montana, Presque Isle, Maine and similar border locations. I know it’s considered bad politics to tell white Americans they are tolerating crimes against humanity, but since catering to scum hasn’t worked, perhaps a more confrontational approach is worth trying.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @TommoRolassi: Yes but the postal carrier has to get past the dog in question at least once more time in order to deliver the announcement to the neighbors.

    There’s a house in my neighborhood I ocassionally walk past that has a pair of very nasty, loud dogs. They are on chains but it is a small yard. They aren’t out too often but when they are, I adjust my route. I am always left wondering what is wrong with those people.

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    lgerard says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    The Border Patrol Union has been captured by the wingnuts. Breitbart originally “sponsored” their podcast, now I believe they actually do it out of Breitbart Studios

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    Steeplejack says:

    @MomSense:

    I think the exhaustion is also the constant exposure to the awfulness of Trump world.

    True. Lately I have been trying to monitor my internal state when I watch the news, and I have been surprised to see how strong and visceral my reactions are. We all talk about being enraged by the news, etc., but it’s a real reaction and it’s a physical reaction. And when there’s nothing that we can (readily, immediately) do about it the “energy” (for lack of a better word) gets stuffed down and becomes a load we carry around. Hence fatigue and depression.

    I need healthy food. Instead of the stress eating.

    Also true. I cook a fair amount, but not much lately because of being sick. My bill was high at Trader Joe’s today because I loaded up on some prepared and semi-prepared but “healthy” food items so I would have some alternatives to “Eh, I don’t feel very hungry, I’ll just make a sandwich.”

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @lgerard: Yep. That union is controlled by the knuckledraggers.

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    @zhena gogolia: I’m planning to write a harmless late night thread this evening.

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    Brachiator says:

    @MomSense:

    I think the exhaustion is also the constant exposure to the awfulness of trump world.

    Agree with you big time. Excellent point.

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    FDRLincoln says:

    I follow Wilson and Nichols and Schindler and Rubin. They’ll turn on us in a heartbeat once Trump goes down, but for now I’m willing to follow FDR’s example and ally with Stalin to defeat Hitler.

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    dnfree says:

    @Yarrow: Agreed. “Reform ICE” would be more accurate and wouldn’t play into the hands of those who say the Democrats don’t care about borders or crime.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    The tactical door kicking and round them up mission needs to be taken away and reconceptualized, which needs to include tight oversight control.

    My feeling is that the door kicking is solving exactly the wrong problem. Rounding up individual non-violent immigrants is a huge waste of time. It doesn’t do anything to stop the major reason people are coming here illegally, which is that there are employers willing and eager to hire them. Instead, it keeps people who are mostly harmless so terrified of the authorities that they’re afraid to report it when they’re victimized. Of course that’s just the way their employers want it, because it makes them easy to exploit.

    We need a relatively small group whose job is to track down immigrants who have been convicted of major crimes to make sure they get properly deported when their sentences are up. Then we need a group who goes around and busts employers who are knowingly hiring immigrants without proper working papers. I’ve suggested, and will continue to suggest, that we should help that group out by rewarding undocumented immigrants who report their employers by getting them proper working papers. And we need a group like the suits you described who chase down human traffickers. Finally, we need to grant more work visas so employers don’t feel as tempted to hire people without proper papers, and we should give preference to people who have already proven they can fit in here, i.e. undocumented immigrants who have managed to find jobs and keep out of trouble.

    Basically, we should see undocumented immigrants who are otherwise law abiding as not a big deal and instead see them as a vulnerable population that needs to be protected from exploitation.

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    catpal says:

    Thanks again for really good advice. She’s not the worst landlord or dog owner – she rescued the dog and she has said the dog has some issues but I honestly did not know that the dog would run up to me and bite me. I am sure the dog has good vet care and all shots – she cares about the dog – but yes she blamed me and that means I do not have ready access to get into my apt if I need to wait for her to get the dog. She can be mean and thoughtless when she says things to me and I am not the confrontational type. I will try to talk to her about this and hope we can work this out.

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    bk says:

    @catpal: It’s your landlord that should be worried about a lawsuit, if you live in a state that imposes strict liability on dog owners (and I believe a majority of them now do and have gotten rid of the “every dog gets one bite” theorem).

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    dnfree says:

    I have been through this in the Nixon era. My father (born in 1920) never gave up his belief that Nixon was framed by the media. (I think he called it the press back then.)

    And regarding Nixon, what if he had refused to turn over the tapes and just burned them? It was suggested at the time, but he decided to follow the law. Trump would never do that. I think if the tapes hadn’t been turned over, even if they’d been destroyed, Nixon would never have been impeached or resigned.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @ catpal: The WaPost story. Some guy in Wisconsin was licked by a dog (he knows not which, could have been his own dog), and he turned out to be that rare person highly susceptible to sepsis.

    The shocking reason that this man’s legs and hands were amputated: A dog’s saliva

    Mind you, this story is news because it is such a rare and extreme case. But watch for any unusual signs in the next few days. The cheery story:

    Greg Manteufel’s symptoms began with fever and vomiting, as if he had the flu. But by the following morning, he was delirious, and his temperature had soared.

    His wife rushed him to the hospital, a quick drive from their Wisconsin home. Once they arrived, Dawn Manteufel said she noticed bruises — several of them, all over his body — that weren’t there when they left their house just five minutes earlier. To Dawn, it was as if her husband had just been beaten with a baseball bat.

    Within a week at the hospital, the 48-year-old who paints houses for a living and loves to ride his Harley-Davidson motorcycle lost his legs. And then his hands.

    Greg Manteufel suffered a rare blood infection after harmful bacteria from a dog’s saliva seeped into his bloodstream, causing sepsis, or blood poisoning from bacteria. The sepsis resulted in blood spots that looked like bruises all over his body, particularly on his chest and face.

    …. Capnocytophaga canimorsus is a bacteria commonly found in dogs and cats. It’s present in the saliva of most healthy dogs and is usually not harmful to humans. But in rare cases, the bacteria can poison the blood and cause death.

    Dawn Manteufel said doctors told them her husband’s case is not common but more like a “crazy fluke.” She said she doesn’t know which dog was carrying the bacteria that attacked her husband. About the time he got sick, he had been around eight dogs, including one that belongs to the couple. The bacteria could have come from any of those dogs that licked him, Dawn said.

    …. Capnocytophaga canimorsus is commonly transmitted by dog bites and is usually life-threatening to people who suffer from alcoholism or are asplenic, meaning their spleens don’t function normally. Symptoms typically worsen rapidly.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    “Sixty-five and older” in 2016 leaves out most of the boomers (1952-64) and includes all the pre-boomers, whatever they’re called (“greatest generation?”—bleah).

    Generational generalities are almost always useless.

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    Dan B says:

    @Yarrow: It’s the trap that kneecaps activists. It kneecapped Black Lives Matter. They ended up coming across as anti police when they were angry the police wouldn’t meet with them. They were also angry at the killings but the only thing that registered eith the MSM was the raw emotion. In reality there was humor and love for each other but once the narrative is established it’s almost impossible to regain.

    I’d like something like ICE is broke. Fix ICE. Or: Clean up ICE.

    Even the protestors know there’s a need to keep gangs and warlords out of the US. They’re who the refugees are fleeing.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @dnfree:

    And regarding Nixon, what if he had refused to turn over the tapes and just burned them?

    I think it would have gone just as badly for him. Deliberately flouting an order from the Supreme Court is not a good look, and destroying evidence in such a public case would have made him look guilty as hell.

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    Dan B says:

    @Dan B: Also: Save Refugees, Save Families, Save Kids is more to the point.

    Abolishing ICE leaves other bad actors in place.

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    @Steeplejack: the link shows the exact same % for the previous age range as well.

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    Dan B says:

    @catpal: Triple anti biotic only stops bacteria. It doesnt stop viruses, parasites, or fungi. These need Betadine, Iodine, peroxide (briefly, followed by rinsing), green soap, Zephiran / Bactine. Rabies needs shots. If not it is fatal.

    Dogbite = ni joke, don’t mess.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Dan B: Black Lives Matter was infiltrated by Russian agents (or variation of “agent”) and it was weaponized against the actual goals of BLM. Instead of the important call for police to listen to the black community and change how they interacted with African Americans, it became “us vs them” and gained a violent reputation.

    The “Abolish ICE” slogan is set up to work in exactly the same way. It will be turned against activists and used against them. Smart activists will look at slogans like that, change them slightly, and refuse to be used as an active measure by Russians or anyone else.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @catpal: And — you will have the pleasure of getting a tetanus shot. Unless you can prove you’re current on that vaccination.

    Do not mess with tetanus. It can kill. ER/medical centers take dog bites way seriously.

    I had an uncle who died as a young teenager from tetanus. No dog involved. Fell out of a tree. Tragic.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Okay, then how do you draw out of that some special insight about “hippies”? What is a hippie, anyway? Someone who voted against Trump 45 years later?

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    Yutsano says:

    @Adam L Silverman: The CBP union is actually my union, which is NTEU. I’m not sure how President Tony Reardon would feel about dissolving a protection the union just gained only a couple years ago. However the NTEU would probably be open to assisting with reform of the agency. I’ve voiced concerns about how CBP has been acting but I haven’t seen any word on what’s happening with that.

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    @Steeplejack: I was responding to somebody who said hippies are Trumpists now, by showing that it is statistically unlikely. Boomers were not unified then and are not unified now.

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    Dan B says:

    @Major Major Major Major: What, no catalyst for agitation!? Quelle domage!

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Baud: It is known.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Major Major Major Major: wait a minute—can Colorado-raised, California-living, New York-moving-to people quote Faulkner?!

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Platonailedit: Not my parents. Or their friends. But do continue.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Or, you know, Shakespeare.

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    Dan B says:

    @catpal: Please get to a clinic. If you are not a confrontational type let a professional do it. They can also evaluate your situation. If you are in a vulnerable situation regarding your living quarters they hsve experience. Also it’s not helping this rescue pup if a bitten child is in its future. There’s no forgiveness once that threshold is reached. I was bitten as a kid after teasing a dog. The owners suffered the liss of their lively companion.

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    CapnMubbers says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Nope, but Shakespeare’s fair game.

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    Dan B says:

    @Yarrow: So correct! We suffered through CoIntelPro in the 60’s and 70’s. You coukd tell who most of them were but people refused to believe these were infiltrators. I left many groups because discussion and planning became painfully fraught or impossible.

    I hope the Stoneman Douglas kids efforts avoid that fate. Since there’s an FBI dad involved they might succeed.

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    dnfree says:

    @Steeplejack: I agree that generational generalities are useless and annoying. But the baby boomer generation started in 1946, when people came back from the war. It’s about the only generation that is agreed as being 1946-1964. I know this because they’re always referencing what “the oldest baby boomers” are doing, and I’m one of them. For instance, the number of retirees soared when we turned 65 (2011), and continues to be high.

    My younger brothers, born in the later 1940s and early 1950s, attended grade school in split shifts–one group came in early in the morning and stayed until noon, and the next group came in around noon and stayed until late afternoon. It took time to build more schools and classrooms for that many kids.

    The “greatest generation” was my father’s generation, which went through the depression and served in World War II. The “silent generation” that came of age in the 1950s was the generation before mine–called “silent” because they were generally regarded as following convention.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @catpal: I had a brief career as a celebrity dog bite lawyer to the stars, but unless you or your landlord is a celebrity, this is outside of my area of expertise

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steeplejack: @Major Major Major Major: @CapnMubbers: He went to college in the South.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Steeplejack: d’oh!

    @Major Major Major Major: merde!

    @CapnMubbers: ¡mierda!

    I need to get more sleep.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: true. Instead of Shakespeare, we focused on when we were going to rise again.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @dnfree:

    But the baby boomer generation started in 1946 [. . .].

    I get that. By “1952-64” I meant those boomers that weren’t yet 65 in 2016. Sorry if that was unclear.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steve in the ATL: I was trying to spot you Faulkner.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: thank you. We were allowed to read southern writers only. As I recall, we were taught that Shakespeare ripped off Faulkner.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Roger Moore: No arguments here.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steve in the ATL: There are only a few frat-boy lawyers on this site.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: it’s B-J’s greatest flaw, and puts quite a burden on you and me.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steve in the ATL: It’s a hard-knock life.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Platonailedit:

    You aren’t even making sense right now. Go to bed now…

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    Kayla Rudbek says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I have a relative who worked for INS before they were merged into ICE, and he was still there shortly after the merger. His comment is that he will never work for any part of DHS ever again.

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