Tuesday Morning Open Thread: Respite Kittens

Beloved commentor and intrepid kitten-pusher Satby:

It’s been long enough that our momma cat Turtle’s babies are all vetted and ready for adoption. They made their public debut yesterday (Sunday) at the South Bend PetSmart on Ireland Road and were ready for their close ups along with a few other kittens in our rescue, and a glimpse of kitten whisperer Becky.

So, for a mood lifter, I present our rescue cuties…

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    opiejeanne says:

    Such sweet babies. They all look ready for mischief.
    That upside down tabby just gets me.

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    Mary G says:

    Cuties, thanks.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    The tuxedo kitty in the 2nd to last photo would complement my tuxedo puppy nicely, if I could have a cat. Can’t though — my boxer dog believes cats are the enemy. I hope they all find great homes!

    PS: Finally scored an Instant Pot. Any recipe site recommendations?

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    Mel says:

    All are adorable, but I love, love, love the ebony cutie (second photo, third kitteh from the front) who is staring right at the camera with such a sweet expression. So beautiful! Sweet Kitteh reminds me so much of our lovely girl Bruni who we lost 5 years ago.

    Sweet Kitteh and all of her little sugarbean siblings will make for some very lucky adoptive parents!!

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Bah! Too much cuteness for this early in the morning.

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    satby says:

    Becky and her family work hard at socializing all the babies and then when they’re immunized they start interacting with the other cats and dogs at her house, so they all, depending on their personalities, tend to be pretty friendly. They all have names too, of course, but I can’t keep them straight without a scorecard. The white one pictured is smaller than it looks. And they’re all on Petfinder, including our white deaf kitten.
    Thanks Anne Laurie!

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    satby says:

    Link fail, here it is again, with names for those sweet little faces.

    And Becky told me after I emailed AL that the kittens were at Pet Smart last week, not this one. But they’re going back in two weeks.

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    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning,Everyone 😄😄😄

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    satby says:

    @Betty Cracker: apologies for the naked link, but it’s not letting me switch to desktop view. If you like Indian food, these are good recipes:

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    satby says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning rikyrah 😺!

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    NotMax says:

    @Betty Cracker


    Tons of sites out there. Here are two have found some items of interest on:



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    Betty Cracker says:

    @satby & @NotMax: Thank you!

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning.

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    rikyrah says:

    You are good people, satby.😄

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    rikyrah says:

    The kitties are adorable 😍😍

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    NotMax says:

    @Betty Cracker

    One more. Leans heavily in the gluten-free and paleo direction, however there are ‘normal’ recipes as well. The chicken cacciatore instructions I use as a springboard for that dish came from there.


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    satby says:

    @NotMax: Good morning! I see mine was one of several replies on the Kindle for your mom question, what did you decide?

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    NotMax says:


    Woke up from a postprandial nap last evening with what can only be described as a large welt on the inside of one forearm. Looked like a crater on the Moon, with a raised circular halo

    Obviously bitten by something. Doused with Bactine, smeared with Neosporin. Still hurt like the dickens; swelling and redness was spreading.

    Resorted to an old folk remedy and made a poultice of lightly moistened tobacco, kept in place with a bandage. Pain immediately ceased and now, a couple of hours later (after changing the poultice once or twice), inflammation and discoloration subsiding rapidly. Point of entry still tender, expect that to be better later today.

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    satby says:

    @rikyrah: Thanks, but credit for this is still mostly Becky.

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    satby says:

    @NotMax: wow! Never heard of a tobacco poultice.

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    Our cat, Elsa the wonder nut, is a spitting image of the white cat at top – 100 pounds of goof and charm stuffed into a 10 pound cat

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    @Baud: Good morning, having breakfast here and getting ready to head to the airport.

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    NotMax says:


    Old folk remedy for bee/wasp/hornet stings. Supposed to ‘draw out the poison.’ Purists insist the tobacco must be moistened with saliva.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @NotMax: About the only good use of tobacco.

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    satby says:

    @Just One More Canuck: I think that one is our deaf boy, but not sure. He has two all white sisters who can hear. We need someone special to adopt him.

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    satby says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: I make a Tobacco Flower soap that smells amazing. Very complex floral, and I don’t like florals. Speaking of, time to head to the market.
    Have a good day everyone!

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    debbie says:

    Who could possibly choose just one????

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    Mandarama says:

    Thanks for these photos! My pet-loving teenage boys will want to see them…yesterday my 14-yr-old asked “Mom, should I be really scared?” The news is awful.

    The 4 of us are crammed into a minivan and hotel rooms 24-7 on our magical mystery tour. Only one school down and my feet are killing me. Two to see today.

    My InstantPot is one of my fave things in the world. I got a great recipe here, I think from jeffreyw? It’s on pressureluckcooking.com under “Instant Pot Creamy Chicken Marsala Pasta.”

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    rikyrah says:

    Please tell us how the Insta-pot goes. 😄

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    Immanentize says:

    Thanks, Satby! I needed some sweetness as relief.

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    Immanentize says:

    Some kind of spider bite? Keep an eye on it — Those things can go nasty, with or without a tobacco habit.

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    MomSense says:

    So much cuteness!!!

    Maybe it’s gallows humor, but I’m enjoying all the panic of the male journalists who just couldn’t hear it when Hillary Clibton told them in plain English that Trump was Putin’s puppet.

    I won’t be satisfied with ridding our government of all of the Republican traitors. We need a media revolution, too. Otherwise they’ll rehabilitate the always wrong pundits just like they did after they all got the Iraq war so wrong.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: There’s no such thing as too much cuteness!! Right now, given the awful state of our politics, we need all the cuteness we can get.

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    rikyrah says:

    Maddow Blog (@MaddowBlog) Tweeted:
    The detail that we’ve got on this makes Trump’s unwillingness to accede to the facts here something more than just lying. A lie that you know you don’t get away with is something new from Trump. https://t.co/9QpYu6iYcK https://twitter.com/MaddowBlog/status/1019076502875500544?s=17

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    rikyrah says:

    Maddow Blog (@MaddowBlog) Tweeted:
    Here’s that story Glen Caplin mentioned to Rachel on the show tonight:
    Oct. 27, 2016 “A senior Donald Trump official told Bloomberg in a story published on Thursday that the campaign had “three major voter suppression operations underway.””
    https://t.co/LvVmQLziDG https://twitter.com/MaddowBlog/status/1019050484110385153?s=17

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    rikyrah says:

    Maddow Blog (@MaddowBlog) Tweeted:
    Why did Mariia Batina think, in March 2015, that Republicans would likely control the US government after the 2016 election? Why did she think she had the “right to negotiate” the positions of the Republican Party? https://t.co/E0ZKc8jMw4 https://twitter.com/MaddowBlog/status/1019044193547714561?s=17

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    Argiope says:

    @NotMax: Halo could be a sign of a recluse bite. Watch that really, really carefully please, especially since you didn’t feel the bite itself.

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    rikyrah says:

    Maddow Blog (@MaddowBlog) Tweeted:
    Beschloss: “This is a president who now has demonstrated that he deserves suspicion as acting on behalf of another country over his own.” https://t.co/kcVOCbtmjZ https://twitter.com/MaddowBlog/status/1019039895870898176?s=17

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    rikyrah says:

    What to do when the President IS the National Security crisis?


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    rikyrah says:

    We got nothing but receipts from Hillary.

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    Quinerly says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning from Poco and his tribe!

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    rikyrah says:

    Maddow Blog (@MaddowBlog) Tweeted:
    Here’s the first five minutes of Rachel Maddow tonight on Americans coming to grips with a worst case scenario that the U.S. president is compromised by a hostile foreign power.
    (full video: https://t.co/DCBavBRHtY) https://t.co/2gfqi5Lh5s https://twitter.com/MaddowBlog/status/1019037654304919552?s=17

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    Trump thinks that Mueller is so dumb that hed go over to Russia as part of his investigation. Lol

    The better for Putin to kill him like he has killed scores of his enemies, right?

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    Quinerly says:

    @Betty Cracker: great minds think alike… I ordered that $59 Prime Deal of the Day Instapot early,early this AM. Is that the one you got? I know nothing about them. All the Balloon Juice talk in various threads inspired me.

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    Quinerly says:

    @satby: wonderful pictures! Have a great day.

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    rikyrah says:

    Mark Hertling (@MarkHertling) Tweeted:
    For those gobsmacked and disgusted by what you just saw, imagine being part of the military leadership in the Pentagon or in Europe, or anywhere in the intelligence community, as you REALLY have information that makes this unfathomable.

    Lots of bourbon for them tonight. https://twitter.com/MarkHertling/status/1018903520332996608?s=17

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @satby: Elsa has really poor eyesight – runs into things all the time but is the happiest cat I’ve ever had

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    TS (the original) says:


    Manafort cutting a deal?

    Rachel discussed this last night – apparently this is a judge who hates delays – has stopped both sides delaying things – wants a shorter trial than the prosecution asked for – and now delays pre trial discussion until next Monday. A few folks think a plea or a deal are coming.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    via TPM, Trey Gowdy:

    “Russia is not our friend. Russia attempted to undermine the fundamentals of our democracy, impugn the reliability of the 2016 election, and sow the seeds of discord among Americans. Our intelligence community, including the current one, concluded this, as did the Majority House Intelligence Committee report, as did our fellow Americans who served on grand juries which returned true bills on two separate occasions. I am confident former CIA Director and current Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, DNI Dan Coats, Ambassador Nikki Haley, FBI Director Chris Wray, Attorney General Jeff Sessions and others will be able to communicate to the President it is possible to conclude Russia interfered with our election in 2016 without delegitimizing his electoral success.

    As Josh says, “They’re still hoping against hope that this is all happening because the President feels like his win will be undermined. That is pretty pitiful in itself, for all involved.”

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    Raven says:

    @Just One More Canuck: we’re at Lil Bits eyevet as we speak! It’s just a checkup to try to keep what little vision she has.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Quinerly: Yep, me too! I think we got a really good deal. I haven’t used a pressure cooker since I blew up an old one I inherited from my granny more than 20 years ago. I used to love to cook field peas in it and have not been able to replicate the flavor and texture the old pressure cooker achieved (until it exploded and hurled shrapnel all over my kitchen). But I have great hopes for the Instant Pot!

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    Raven says:

    @Quinerly: I love mine. I do lots of dried beans and it’s awesome! Also steel cut oats.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Ithen_thought: @JakeSherman It is beyond my comprehension that @SenateGOP @HouseGOP can’t figure out what to do. 1) refuse to confirm a… https://twitter.com/Ithen_thought/status/1019181108393664513?s=17

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    rikyrah says:

    Morning to Poco and the tribe 😄 😺

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    TS (the original) says:

    President Obama is soon to give the Nelson Mandela Annual Lecture
    https://www.nelsonmandela.org/ – live streaming

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    rikyrah says:

    I am afraid of pressure cookers, thus my hesitance about the Insta-pot

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    Quinerly says:

    @Betty Cracker: 💚

    I’m a crowder pea chick myself. 😎

    “Born and breaded in the South.”

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    Quinerly says:

    @rikyrah: I’m terrified of pressure cookers. Grew up hearing all those exploding pressure cooker stories from my mom. Think they were slightly exaggerated but she wouldn’t allow my dad to bring his grandmother’s in the house. In fact, in this ongoing clean out of the house I grew up in in NC, I found it packed away in a corner in the garage. It actually made me smile. Then I pitched it.

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    Manyakitty says:

    @satby: All three of my babies are PetSmart rescue cats. Thanks for the pictures!

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    Manyakitty says:

    @Betty Cracker: I look all over, but HIGHLY recommend Alton Brown’s guidance on hard boiled eggs.

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    Jeffro says:

    Just in case anyone wants a break from Trumpov outrage: how about some Mandalay Bay outrage? They’re – get this – suing the victims of the Las Vegas massacre, so that they can have any lawsuits heard in federal court instead of state court (where they fear that jurors will be much more sympathetic).


    I’m off to go look up just which resorts and other companies Mandalay Bay owns or is affiliated with, and then I’m going to hit every media outlet possible with that list, and then I’m going to write MB itself, and then I hope the entire rest of the country joins me in boycotting them right the hell into bankruptcy.

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    debit says:

    @rikyrah: I felt the same way. But I’ve been using mine for a couple of weeks now and really like it.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Jeffro: Ok, I’m back…as far as I can tell, Mandalay Bay is owned by MGM Mirage, which also owns

    in Las Vegas:
    – Bellagio
    – Excalibur
    – Luxor
    – Mandalay Bay (duh)
    – MGM Grand
    – Mirage
    – New York New York
    – T-Mobile Arena

    as well as
    – the Borgata in Atlantic City
    – MGM China, Grand Detroit, and hey lookee here…MGM National Harbor right here in the DMV!
    – several golf courses in the LV area

    I don’t frequent casinos and don’t golf…but they don’t know that. What’s that word again? Oh yeah…fuckem.

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    rikyrah says:

    PragmaticObotsUnite (@PragObots) Tweeted:
    RT @DanRather: To GOP officials who are speaking out about today’s “Farce in Finland” – unless you start putting your votes and subpoena po… https://twitter.com/DanRather/status/1018939989088858112?s=17

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    Jeffro says:

    Michelle Goldberg: Maybe The President Is Exactly As Compromised As He Looks

    (ya think?)
    (actually, the op-ed itself is quite on point)

    …The news conference left observers reeling. John O. Brennan, a former director of the C.I.A., tweeted that Trump’s display was “nothing short of treasonous.” Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, described it as “one of the most disgraceful performances by an American president in memory.” Even some Trump partisans were aghast. Newt Gingrich decried it as the “most serious mistake” of Trump’s presidency.

    While I was as shocked as everyone else, I shouldn’t have been. Trump’s behavior on Monday recalled his outburst at Trump Tower after the violent white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, when he insisted there were “very fine people” among the racist demonstrators. Both times, everything Trump said was in keeping with things he’d said before. The shocking part was his frankness. Then, as now, it forced, if just for a moment, a collective apprehension of just what a repulsive abomination this presidency is.

    It’s always been obvious that Trump does not hold Russia’s hacking of the 2016 election, which he publicly encouraged and gleefully benefited from, against Putin. None of us yet know the exact contours of Trump’s relationship with Russia, whether Putin is his handler, his co-conspirator or just his hero. But it’s clear that Trump is willing to sell out American democracy for personal gain. After all, on July 27, 2016, he publicly called for Russia to find Clinton’s emails, and, thanks to Friday’s indictments, we now know Russia started trying to hack the domain used by her personal office that very day. Trump’s collusion with Russia has always been out in the open, daring us to recognize what’s in front of our faces.

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    Manyakitty says:

    @NotMax: Might be worth calling the doctor, anyway. I’m not sure where you live, but here in NEOhio, several people have gotten crazy spider bites (brown recluse, etc.) and at least one woman will be on blood thinners for the rest of her life as a result.

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @Raven: good luck to her and to you. Elsa’s vision has always been bad, even as a kitten (she’s 4 now), but she’s adapted and remembers where things usually are. The problem is when we leave something where it shouldn’t be (Soccerdaughter’s bag is the most common culprit, or when we bring groceries in from the car)

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    Heidi Mom says:

    @NotMax: You may already know this, but if not — a bite surrounded by a halo can also be an early indication of Lyme disease following a tick bite.

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    raven says:

    @Just One More Canuck: We’ve been doing this for 9 years. Cataract surgery then 7 meds twice a day ever since. Today we decided to stop one because it might impact her recent surgery but we also added another application of three of them to thrice a day.

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    Kay says:


    To think that you have to ignore that it isn’t just Trump.

    Greg Greene
    18h18 hours ago
    “The Russians also rubbed elbows with Scott Walker, then a viable candidate, and the beneficiary of more than $3.5 million from the NRA over his career. Walker charmed Butina when they first met, she blogged, greeting her in Russian.”

    Butina was just arrested. A quarter of the Republicans in Congress either defend Putin or promote him.

    This is an alliance. They’re supporting Putin because they share goals with him and it isn’t just Trump.

    I wonder which GOP group is next. My bet is on the anti-abortion lobby. If they joined with the NRA they’d be crazy not to bring in anti-abortion groups too.

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    Yarrow says:

    The kitties are so cute! Nice way to start the morning.

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    rikyrah says:



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    MomSense says:


    That Mo looks like s/he would be one of the world’s great cats. If I had to pick a kitten, I would put little Zorro in my pocket and take him home.

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    @Kay: I used to read a conservative Catholic blog called Thinking Housewife, it often read like parody but was all too real. She hated all minorities and women. TH started hawking Putin love somewhere around 2014. Haven’t checked that blog since T started his WH run because he has mainstreamed that crazy and I no longer need to scour obscure internet corners to find out what the zealots think.

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    rikyrah says:

    Home care workers the latest group in Trump team’s crosshairs

    The Trump administration continues its attack on workers and unions: Its latest volley is a Department of Health and Human Services proposal, announced on Thursday, that would impose a difficult and time-consuming burden on these workers’ exercise of their bargaining rights.

    The administration proposes to forbid certain home care workers whose services are funded by Medicaid from choosing to pay their union dues directly from their paychecks, as hundreds of thousands are doing now.

    Like the recent Supreme Court decision in Janus v. AFSCME, this latest assault on unionized public-sector workers has a single goal: to silence workers’ voices.

    Like the Janus case, this attack bears the fingerprints of several highly partisan, union-busting think tanks that are cited in the rule, including the State Policy Network (SPN) and the so-called Fairness Center, a right-wing litigation center associated with SPN.

    Make no mistake, this Trump administration proposal will have distinctly racial and gendered impacts. Home care workers are disproportionately people of color, and 90 percent are women. They provide hands-on care to people in their homes, allowing them to remain a part of their families and communities.

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    Heidi Mom says:

    Ah, kittens at Petsmart — I know how this works! Last summer, about a month after we’d lost our gray kitty, Misty, to heart disease, my husband and I walked into the local Petsmart with no clear intention of (but maybe a subconscious desire to) adopt another cat, and there, right next to the front entrance, was a large cage containing 2-month-old kittens. They’d come up to Carlisle from the Carroll County, MD, shelter, perhaps as part of the effort to clear northern shelters in advance of the expected flood of hurricane evacuees. We looked at them, my husband said “I like the little gray one, he/she is so curious,” and that was that — we went home with the little gray one. She’d been designated “kitten no. 4,” and that made my husband think of Suzi Quatro, a 70s rocker, so we named her Suzi. She’s just passed her first birthday and, as best we can determine, is a dilute blue cream torti. Whatever, she’s a lovely cat.

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    rikyrah says:


    Butina was just arrested. A quarter of the Republicans in Congress either defend Putin or promote him.

    This is an alliance. They’re supporting Putin because they share goals with him and it isn’t just Trump.

    I wonder which GOP group is next. My bet is on the anti-abortion lobby. If they joined with the NRA they’d be crazy not to bring in anti-abortion groups too.

    The NRA piece is key, Kay.
    It’s NOT just the NRA.
    It’s the MONEY from the NRA, Kay.

    Dirty as a muthaphucka.
    And, which GOPers got dirty money from the NRA.
    Oh, I would guess damn near ALL of them.
    The NRA case is a RICO case, Kay.

    But, they can go onto the churches and the anti-abortioners too. Looking forward to it.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Heidi Mom:

    What a sweet story. Got you as you first entered the store…how smart of them…

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    satby says:

    @Manyakitty: 💞💞💞👍

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    rikyrah says:


    The shade from Pete has been such a blessing during this time.

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    @Kay: My earlier comment contd.
    TH loved the misogyny, the homophobia and xenophobia, not to mention the virulent anti-semitism and the strongman tactics used to implement bigotry and squash dissent by the Putin regime. They also loved Assad. The evangelical and conservative, more Catholic than the Pope, R contingent has loved Putin dearly for a while. I noticed it after 2012 elections, but it likely started earlier.

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    MomSense says:


    Didn’t President Obama make a joke at one of the WH Correspondent’s Dinners about how Fox had photos of Putin on all the time? I think he talked about all the photos of shirtless Putin, Putin on horseback, etc. and said ‘no really it’s weird’ or something to that effect after the joke.

    The Republicans are aligned with Putin because they share anti-LGBTQ, racism, anti Muslim bigotry, white supremacy, and ethno nationalism conflated with their twisted Christianity.

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    Kay says:


    Interesting. I listen to local Right wing Christian radio when I’m driving/working. They’re incredibly touchy about Trump’s (obvious) Russian connections/collusion. But they’re defensive about everything. The whole show has turned into a desperate defense of Trump. They’ll never concede this. They’re so dug in they are underground.

    I saw yesterday that Russia is number 30 on the list of countries for trade. 30! They’re behind Chile as far as economic importance to the US, yet look at all this focus and amazing bootlicking by the GOP. Trump said they’re a “competitor” with the US. That gives them a status they don’t have- they aren’t important enough economically to be a “competitor” with the US. There’s 30 countries ahead of them for that status.

    Too, and this should be important to the Greenwaldian defenders on the Left- Putin has been horrible for the people in Russia. He and his kleptocrats are taking all the money and the populace is desperately poor and getting poorer. The hard Right is bad for people– ordinary Russians.

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    rikyrah says:

    This breaks my heart.
    RIP, poor baby.

    A valiant 7-year-old survived her father’s car crash. She died searching for help.
    Meagan Flynn

    A 7-year-old girl was looking for help in the dark when she died trying to save her dad.

    It was about 3:30 a.m. Sunday. DeSandra Thomas was riding in her father’s car when he crashed into an abandoned vehicle along I-94 in Romulus, Mich., lost control and flew off the highway and through a fence, according to Michigan State Police.

    The child feared her father was seriously hurt and so she fled on foot looking for someone, anyone, to help him, Lt. Michael Shaw told WDIV in Detroit.

    “She didn’t care about herself,” Anthony Burts, a family member, wrote on a GoFundMe page intended to support the family. “She was racing against time to save her father as anyone with a heart of gold would have.”

    Shaw said the child appeared to have climbed over the fence and started walking along the freeway. At some point she sent a text message to 911 to tell dispatchers her dad was in trouble, possibly even dead — but authorities struggled to pinpoint her location, Shaw said.

    “We are just taken aback that we couldn’t find her before something happened,” Shaw told Fox 2.

    A second 911 call came in just as police were trying to find her. This one was from a woman. She feared she hit a pedestrian crossing I-94. But it was dark. She couldn’t see anyone on the road. Nor could state troopers when they showed up with flashlights, searching throughout the area, Shaw told WDIV.

    It wouldn’t take long for Romulus police and the Michigan State Police to connect the two 911 calls.

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    Immanentize says:

    Do you think it was suggested to Walker that he should drop out to give Trump an easier run? I always thought he pulled out way too quickly….

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    satby says:

    @Betty Cracker: @rikyrah: @Quinerly: before I had the Instant pot I had an older stovetop version, but it still was more modern than my mom’s and grandmother’s, with better safety features. The Instant Pot is pretty idiot- and explosion- proof. I started rice in mine before I left to come to the market, to go with the Hawaiian pork roast I cooked in it yesterday. That’s going to be dinner.

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    Kay says:


    He did. There were lots of jokes about the Right wing manly-man adoration of Putin on the horse.

    I agree that they’re aligned but I think it’s more than racism – I think they want to model the US on a kleptocrat state.

    I also think Putin has something on Trump personally and it’s much bigger than prostitutes. It’s the Trump companies. It’s money. I think they have the oldest and most conventional leverage in the world on Donald Trump- they’re his financial backer- his lender of last resort. We never really found out anything about Trump’s business interests.

    Trump’s a fraud. The “empire” is built on dirty money. There is nothing he fears more than that being exposed. He has nothing else.

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    Immanentize says:

    I really can’t tell what’s going on with the lawsuit through you Fox News link — is it possible they just filed in Federal court to “remove” all the cases from various state actions to one big federal action? I am sure that is probably what is happening. It is normal (called diversity jurisdiction) and in a case where plaintiffs come from different States — inevitable. I really don’t see evil here, just run of the mill legal actions.

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    rikyrah says:

    Jon Swaine (@jonswaine) Tweeted:
    On the day a Russian agent is charged with infiltrating the NRA, the Trump administration announces the NRA and similar groups can keep the identity of their donors totally secret https://t.co/uTVTxUoZO7 https://twitter.com/jonswaine/status/1019020659991642117?s=17

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    Kay says:


    I’ve thought since the beginning that if there was interference in the 2016 general then there was interference in the primary. I don’t think it was Walker though- I think it was Jeb Bush and then Ted Cruz.

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @raven: she’s lucky to have you. Just after we got Elsa, we discovered she had ringworm, so she had to go into quarantine at the vet’s office for a month.

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    CarolDuhart2 says:

    @rikyrah: I believe the next shoe to drop will be the Evangelical/Industrial Complex. There are simply no money controls at all. No limits on church donations-amounts, sources, nothing. There isn’t even a requirement for transparency to members, let alone to the general public. Yes, I know about the 990’s, but there are some things that are never reported anything.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Kay: I agree that if there were interference, it started in the primary. Both primaries. I am certain that the Stein and Sanders campaigns were also “aided” by Russia money. Bernie and the NRA maybe?

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    Kay says:

    I really wish people would stop comparing this to Watergate. Watergate was media uncovering a crime and then prosecutors and others taking action to address it. This worked the other way. Media ignored the issue until 2 years after a special prosecutor was appointed and well after he started bringing indictments. They were LAST.

    For a while there I thought they would insist on successful prosecutions before they would cover it, start taking it seriously.

    They were DEAD LAST. “Watergate” is a compliment to them. They had absolutely no role in any of this- in fact, they did their absolute best to pretend it wasn’t happening. The waving away of all available evidence was the “smart” take.

    The NYTimes linking to the special prosecutor’s indictments is “collecting news” I suppose but you can read the indictments anywhere and they didn’t contribute to any of the information presented. If Watergate consisted of the Washington Post printing a police report of the break in than it’s Watergate.

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    Kay says:


    I don’t think we know enough. I’m not afraid of what we’ll find out. I’m afraid Mueller’s job is too narrow and we won’t find out what we need to operate with information when voting. As Adam has pointed out repeatedly this isn’t just Russia. This is an alliance of state actors supporting the hard Right, as personified in Putin. We already know this. Putin/Trump-ism isn’t just the US and Russia.

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    rikyrah says:


    I also think Putin has something on Trump personally and it’s much bigger than prostitutes. It’s the Trump companies. It’s money. I think they have the oldest and most conventional leverage in the world on Donald Trump- they’re his financial backer- his lender of last resort. We never really found out anything about Trump’s business interests.

    Trump’s a fraud. The “empire” is built on dirty money. There is nothing he fears more than that being exposed. He has nothing else.

    Yes. He’s bought and paid for, Kay.
    Plain and simple.

    The deplorables’ ‘Businessman Candidate’ is nothing but a phucking fraud.

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    rikyrah says:


    They were DEAD LAST. “Watergate” is a compliment to them. They had absolutely no role in any of this- in fact, they did their absolute best to pretend it wasn’t happening. The waving away of all available evidence was the “smart” take.

    Part of their strong resistance is what you point out, Kay.
    Their absolute malpractice during the 2016 election.
    Can’t get this story without including what they DID NOT DO.

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    rikyrah says:


    Hillary was right.
    And, so were her voters.

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    rikyrah says:


    I don’t think we know enough. I’m not afraid of what we’ll find out. I’m afraid Mueller’s job is too narrow and we won’t find out what we need to operate with information when voting.

    You might be right, Kay, but I think it’s going to expand. I think it already has. The money goes where the money goes…..and that’s all over.

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    T was a joke at the turn of the century, a has been, what made him popular and burnished his image was The Apprentice which first aired in 2004. Putin came to office in 2000.

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    @rikyrah: How many major newspapers/media houses were compromised? T had scandals galore, yet all they focused on was the EMAILZ, and not the far more clickbaity scandals involving sex, money and mafia of the R candidate, why?
    When you measure everything in terms money, everything is up for sale and has a price. Including democracy. Thanks Ronald Reagan and Milton Friedman.

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    Immanentize says:

    Watching the indictments and the handoff? Of prosecutions, I am starting to think that Mueller will continue to outsource actual prosecutions to various parts of the DOJ, but will end up with a fulsome report about his key charge -. Foreign interference in the 2016 election.

    If he spreads the prosecutions widely enough, they will not be able to be silenced by either the President or the DOJ without massive lawbreaking. Such odd times. I worry, because these are really the only times my son knows. How is that going to effect our collective futures?

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    satby says:

    @MomSense: I keep looking at Mo, and I’m a sucker for black cats. But no more kittens for me, only adult or senior cats. As I get older (and I expect at least a decade more) I want to be sure no elderly cats/dogs that no one wants to adopt are left behind if I go.
    It’s the Irish in me.

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    MomSense says:


    Oh yeah, it’s money and power. It’s a global oligarchic movement but they play to the rubes in each state with their ethno nationalism, etc.

    I bet if we spent 15 minutes on this blog working together, we could compile quite a long list of the global players involved.

    The infuriating thing about all of this is that enough information is and has been in the public domain that this could have been exposed before the 2016 election. Certainly Silverman was doing much of that here before November 2016.

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    satby says:

    @schrodingers_cat: I used to look at that crazy lady too. What a shitshow her brain is.

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    rikyrah says:

    Brooklyn school told 13-year-old to ‘move on’ after she reported rape: report
    BY JACQUELINE THOMSEN – 07/17/18 09:42 AM EDT

    A new lawsuit alleges that a Brooklyn school counselor told an eighth grade student in 2013 to “move on with your life” after she reported being raped by a classmate.

    The New York Daily News reports that the girl, 13 at the time of the alleged assault, told a counselor at Spring Creek Community School that she had been raped in an alley near the school by a classmate, and that the assault was filmed, according to the complaint filed last week in Brooklyn Supreme Court.

    The counselor reportedly told the girl that “if it happened, it happened — move on with your life.”

    Video of the alleged assault later spread around the school, prompting school officials to contact the police. However, the student was too confused and intimidated to file charges, the lawsuit states.

    A spokesman for New York City’s Law Department told the Daily News that the city agency will review the lawsuit.

    The court filing also alleges that Principal Christina Koza urged the student to stay home from school while officials got the video “under control,” adding that her presence would “make things worse.”

    The principal later told the student that the incident “looked consensual” when viewed by video, the Daily News reported.

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    @satby: Apparently she used to write for some Philly newspaper too.

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    rikyrah says:

    Migrant women describe sexual assault in ICE detention facilities: report
    BY ARIS FOLLEY – 07/17/18 09:37 AM EDT

    Migrant women described being sexually abused by guards while in the custody of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) in a new report.

    In a report published by The New York Times on Tuesday, two migrant women tell their stories of being allegedly sexually assaulted while detained in ICE facilities.

    A woman identified as “Maria” described being sexually assaulted by a male guard in May shortly after she was released from the T. Don Hutto Residential Detention Center in Texas.

    While her asylum case was pending, Maria said she had been permitted to stay in Washington, D.C., with her brother. She then described being escorted into a cage inside a van after gathering her belongings, where she claims she was groped by the guard.

    “He grabbed my breasts … He put his hands in my pants and he touched my private parts,” Maria told the publication. “He touched me again inside the van, and my hands were tied. And he started masturbating.”

    Another woman seeking asylum, identified as “E.D.,” claimed she was sexually assaulted by a male guard while she and her 3-year-old son were being held in a family detention center in Pennsylvania.
    “I didn’t know how to refuse because he told me that I was going to be deported,” the 19-year-old woman said to the publication. “I was at a jail and he was a migration officer. It’s like they order you to do something and you have to do it.”

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    rikyrah says:


    If he spreads the prosecutions widely enough, they will not be able to be silenced by either the President or the DOJ without massive lawbreaking. Such odd times. I worry, because these are really the only times my son knows. How is that going to effect our collective futures?

    Yeah, spread the prosecutions around.

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    rikyrah says:

    Tacky azz muthaphucka

    Trump: Redesigned Air Force One will have red, white and blue paint scheme
    BY BRETT SAMUELS – 07/17/18 10:04 AM EDT


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    opiejeanne says:

    I’m confused about how the anti-abortion groups would be in favor of Putin, since Russia has by far the greatest number of abortions per child-bearing age women in the world. Abortion is freely allowed up to the 12th week, and after that for various reasons. How do they justify support of Russia and Putin?

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    rikyrah says:

    Maddow: Time for Americans to face ‘worst case scenario’ on Trump

    Rachel Maddow notes that what ultimately explains a host of inexplicable developments in the story of the Donald Trump campaign is the worst case scenario that Trump is compromised by Russia, and points to the unfolding legal case as a guide for how to understand what has happened and what to do about it.

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    rikyrah says:

    Russian theft of DNC data paralleled Trump camp strategy changes

    Glen Caplin, former senior national spokesman for the Clinton campaign, talks with Rachel Maddow about the theft of DNC analytics by Russian hackers, and how actions by the Trump campaign suggest they were using insights gained from the attack.

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    Heidi Mom says:

    @rikyrah: Yep, just like putting the candy at the checkout counter!

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    rikyrah says:

    McFaul: Trump with Putin shows U.S. ‘national security crisis’

    Michael McFaul, former U.S. ambassador to Russia, talks with Rachel Maddow about the public reaction to Donald Trump’s deference to Vladimir Putin at their Helsinki press conference, and what the appropriate public response is to the realization that Donald Trump is beholden to another country.

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    Heidi Mom says:

    @rikyrah: Life can be so unbearably cruel.

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    Leto says:

    @rikyrah: @Quinerly: Playing catch-up with the thread, so not sure if this has been answered/explained: the Insta-pots are essentially 1 touch and go. We own one and really like it. Basically turn it on, add ingredients, set your cook time, press “start”, and wait. The electronics are controlling everything, there’s no need to watch over it like the pressure pots of old (my parents had some; lots of tending to them). Honestly it’s pretty much set and forget. Come be part of the BJ Insta-pot crew: we have delicious food waiting for you :)

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    Miss Bianca says:

    Ahhh….kittens. Thank you, satby and AL!

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    Chacal Charles Calthrop says:

    Thanks for the kitten pics! I suspect the big ears indicate some kind of Siamese ancestry, which might mean they’re going to be very people-oriented & devoted pets.
    Thanks everyone else for keeping me updated on the Trump-Putin sh*itshow, Ive been too depressed to read the news about it.

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