Thoughts on DAG Rosenstein’s Announcement of New Indictments Brought by Special Counsel Mueller

Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein just announced indictments of twelve Russian intelligence officers for hacking the DNC, the DCCC, and others on the Clinton campaign, stealing data, and then weaponizing it on behalf of Putin’s active measures and cyberwarfare campaign to harm Secretary Clinton’s campaign in order to promote the President’s campaign. Rosenstein also made it clear that he briefed the President on this earlier in the week, which explains why he was at the White House before the President left for the NATO summit. DAG Rosenstein, in his announcement today, took a swipe at the GOP members of Congress, as well as conservative commentators, who have been trying to downplay Putin’s activities or outright trying to get the Special Counsel’s investigation stopped through a variety of means, by emphasizing that this was an attack on the US and the response transcends partisanship.

You can read the entire indictment here.

As is usual, Special Counsel Mueller is teasing where he’s going. For instance, apparently the GRU took the President’s campaign exhortation to find Secretary Clinton’s emails to heart. This is what they did after he asked them to find them:

Before everyone gets too wound up that this isn’t really news, that this doesn’t actually hold any of the Americans involved to account, etc, let me provide a few thoughts informed from my professional experience. First, if you’ve been watching what the Special Counsel has been doing, this makes sense. Simply put he has method, not madness. His first indictment of nineteen Russian nationals set up this indictment about who actually stole the information. This indictment, like the one that preceded it, is setting up the next one. Special Counsel Mueller is working methodically to build not just a set of related cases, but to have the indictments and the cases tell his narrative of what happened.

As someone who’s both done and taught how to do network based targeting, if I was working for Mueller, I’d be advising that he hold off on the American (and British – Cambridge Analytica/SCL, etc) indictments on this stuff as long as possible as I want to see what the rest of the network, especially the Americans and the British portions start to do now that this indictment has been announced. Even the way that DAG Rosenstein made the announcement is intended to get the rest of the network to respond. By stating that no Americans are indicted in today’s indictment, but that the investigation is ongoing, Rosenstein and Mueller are looking to see what the response will be. Specifically, today’s indictment and announcement are intended to get the too cute by half guys like Stone or Parscale or Don Jr or Giuliani and Prince, and the people they’re connected to – inside and outside of the US (remember the Israelis, the Emiratis, and the Saudis appear to be up to their eyeballs in all of this too), to do something in response that can be tracked through all the links and nodes of the network. This also includes Assange and Wikileaks. The counterintelligence officers who work for Special Counsel Mueller have the network mapped out. They are very good at what they do and will be watching to see what happens to and within and throughout the network now that they’ve grabbed a bunch of nodes and links and given them a good, sharp pull.

It is important to remember that the Special Counsel and his team have the best and clearest view and understanding of what happened, what is still happening, who was and/or is involved, and why. They also have new information and evidence coming in every day to further clarify and enhance their understanding. I know everyone is stressed and anxious, but the overall objective here is safeguarding and securing the US. That takes time. And as much as we’d all like a full, complete accounting right now, it requires secrecy and discretion. Special Counsel Mueller is conducting a spy hunt as much as he’s conducting a criminal investigation. To move from an intelligence to a naval analogy: he’s going to stay rigged to run silent and at depth until he’s ready to move on a target.

Stay frosty!

Open thread.

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    Kay says:

    Matt Hodges
    ‏@hodgesmr
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    More Matt Hodges Retweeted Peter J. Hasson
    “Guccifer 2.0, received a request for stolen documents from a candidate for the U.S. Congress.”

    I was waiting for a congressional link. I knew there would be one. They interfered in congressional races too- they didn’t just want Trump. They wanted Trump and a GOP Congress.

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

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    oatler. says:

    Kafka rose from the dead last night, checked out the news, and said “Fuck it, I’m outta here.”

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    Yutsano says:

    It’s like a jigsaw puzzle. Mueller is putting together the whole picture one piece at a time. He just laid down an important piece but the entire picture still isn’t clear. But I get the feeling things are moving.

    I also think this indictment had no Americans so that Mueller doesn’t look like he’s trying to influence the midterms. Just a thought.

    @Kay: Please be Paul Ryan please be Paul Ryan please be Paul Ryan…

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    I know that Rosenstein said that the timing has no significance beyond when the material was ready for the indictments and public release,

    BUT

    this is very bad news for Trump in his desire to meet with Putin. He really should cancel, but he probably won’t

    It’s hard to believe that if they were close to these indictments, Mueller didn’t make a particular effort to get this out this week.

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    Kay says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    The current US Secretary of State was also cheering them on. Good Lord. What a disaster these people are. There isn’t a decent person among them.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Kay: That was down in Florida. This, if used properly, could derail DeSantis’s bid to become governor of Florida.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Just added that up top.

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    oldgold says:

    Time still an issue, but I like the timing of this.

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    LurkerJason says:

    Adam, longtime lurker here, been reading but not commenting for…I dunno, before Obama got elected, I guess? Thanks for this post. Really appreciate learning from you and Cheryl.

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    Kay says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I’ve been dying to hear about the congressional race interference. I don’t know why it wasn’t bigger news. It means it’s systemic. That’s huge. I don’t know- is there a bigger story than “Russia seems to have captured the GOP executive and legislative branches”? What’s left? The judiciary?

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    Waldo says:

    Rosenstein also made it clear that he briefed the President on this earlier in the week,

    Wonder if that’s what prompted Trump’s ludicrous claim that Germany is a “captive of Russia.” See, we’re all controlled by Moscow, but the Germans are WAY worse!

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    Yarrow says:

    @Yutsano: Ryan’s going down for aiding in laundering Russian money. That’ll be his downfall.

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    Kay says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    And thank you for this:

    and the people they’re connected to – inside and outside of the US (remember the Israelis, the Emiratis, and the Saudis appear to be up to their eyeballs in all of this too),

    It isn’t mentioned nearly often enough. It’s bigger than Russia. How funny is it that the people who ran on an international “elite” are actually part and parcel of an international alliance of far Right actors?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: That’s why Rosenstein briefed him before he left. It was an attempt to wave him off. Unfortunately the only person that the President seems to want to be on good terms with is Putin. Makes one wonder why?

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    donnah says:

    Since the news conference this morning, I’ve read impatient replies elsewhere, which is an immature reaction. I guess people are so desperate for major indictments that they don’t understand or care to understand the process.

    We’ve all been conditioned over the years to expect instant news, instant results, instant gratification. The suspense IS a hard thing to deal with. I can’t wait for the day when Republicans and Trump and his vermin are frogmarched from the White House, where they should never have been in the first place.

    But it will be worth the wait if it all shakes out in the end. It will be worth seeing a disgrace to the presidency be dumped from the office. I want it now, just like the rest of the Democrats, but I want it to be done right.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Kay: It wasn’t big news because for the media it was a local issue. They were too blind or stupid or owned by Russia to see or publicize the systemic issue at play.

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    trollhattan says:

    I won’t decide what to think until Greenwald informs me how much of an unfair attack this is on Trump by partisan Democrats in the FBI.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Kay: No one seems to be able to figure out who actually funds Leonard Leo and all of his various, related endeavors.
    From my old friend (we went to elementary school together) and an excellent reporter:
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-secrets-of-leonard-leo-the-man-behind-trumps-supreme-court-pick

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    The Ancient Randonneur says:

    The granularity offered in the indictment and the naming of the foreign intelligence officers is quite breathtaking.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    America’s dumbest lawyer weighs in!

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    Yarrow says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Also the only person Trump has yet to criticize. There is really no wondering why at this point. it’s obvious why.

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    Baud says:

    “DAG Rosenstein, in his announcement today, took a swipe at the GOP members of Congress, as well as conservative commentators, who have been trying to downplay Putin’s activities”

    Let’s not forget people like Greenwald who was doing that in Russia just recently.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Kay:

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    Mnemosyne says:

    Since this is a happy news thread, I want to make sure that everyone has seen Ruemara’s citizenship GoFundMe. We’re already a quarter of the way there, and she just put it up yesterday!

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    Yarrow says:

    @Adam L Silverman: LOLOLOL. Sure, Rudy. Mueller will end his investigation juuuuuust before he gets to you. Okay.

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    ruemara says:

    I’m pretty happy. I just want more indictments. Because these fuckers are traitors. All the way down the line.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: The fact that Trump was already briefed on this prior to leaving for Europe pretty clearly indicates that he still intends to report back to the home office as planned.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @LurkerJason: Thank you for the kind words and you are quite welcome.

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    The Dangerman says:

    To move from an intelligence to a naval analogy: he’s going to stay rigged to run silent and at depth until he’s ready to move on a target.

    You must have read Tom Clancy (I read all but his last one, and none of the one’s he has “co-authored”).

    So, who’s our Jack Ryan? Or I’ll take a John Clark at this point (when I saw all those “armed” Brits walk by the reviewing stand this morning, “Sadat” went through my mind … not as wishful thinking, but you have to think there are some plenty pissed off people out there .. I assume Secret Service made sure those were dummy weapons).

    ETA: Clancy’s early stuff was great; he drank the kool-aid in later years and books.

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    The Ancient Randonneur says:

    @trollhattan:

    My money is on “McCarthyism” being somewhere in GG’s 10,000+ word missive. Most likely more than once.

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    jacy says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    He has to understand why they keep saying “not in THIS indictment.” And I know he’s just talking to the cult that is Trump’s base, but geez……

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    Drunkenhausfrau says:

    Jigsaw puzzles are solved from the edges inward. Thanks for this.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Waldo: The puppet must protect the puppetmaster. Not like he hasn’t lashed out and tried to redirect when confronted with an uncomfortable truth.

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    MattF says:

    The map of relationships here is unclear, but I’m morally certain that the map exists. More than that– I’d be willing to bet the farm on the proposition that Mueller has set up a ‘dead man’s throttle’ for the information he’s accumulated. If (for some, oh, reason or other) the investigation is forced to end– copies of the vital information have been entrusted to a small group of individuals who have promised to let it all hang out.

    One can come up with a good short list of people in, say, the Congress, the intelligence agencies, the law enforcement agencies, and yes, even the New York Times– the friends and associates that Mueller has accumulated over his career.

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    WereBear says:

    I am jumping up and down like a little kid! Thank you for the fine summing up, Adam.

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    MagdaInBlack says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Rudy not familiar with stepping stones?
    Isnt that what Mueller is laying out?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Kay: Pretty much everyone quickly figured out who the marks were: the President, his sons, Jared, Flynn, Sessions.

    These guys all thought they were scamming everyone else. The reality is they were being scammed.

    If you look around the table and can’t figure out who the mark is, you’re the mark.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Damn he is one fucking idiot.
    I know that age can make one’s brain fuzzy but this is way past just fuzzy.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Rudy, Rudy, Rudy you ignorant slut! No Americans were named (yet), not no Americans were involved. Your time in the barrel will be on tap shortly.

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    MattF says:

    @MagdaInBlack: Um, I’ve got a lingering memory that Rudy once played a role in a law-enforcement agency. He’s well aware of what’s going on, and what’s hitting the fan. Of course, he’s also got a needy, demanding, and exceedingly guilty ‘client’.

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    Major Major Major Major says:

    @trollhattan:

    I won’t decide what to think until Greenwald informs me how much of an unfair attack this is on Trump by partisan Democrats in the FBI.

    Really I think we all need to take a deep breath and wait for Snowden to weigh in on what this says about American data collection practices. How did they get all this information on Russians, huh?

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    JPL says:

    This is quite the spy novel, but one that causes many nights of insomnia, because the ending hasn’t been written yet.

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    MagdaInBlack says:

    @MattF:
    I left out the tag for “irony”

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    Yutsano says:

    @Yarrow: Lord I hope so. I’m almost hopeful that it will turn out a cean Republican on any level will be as rare as a passenger pigeon.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Drunkenhausfrau:
    Have often thought that jigsaw puzzles should have some point in the interior that is an obvious starting point. And the edges shouldn’t be all straight. Just to make it interesting.

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    MoCA Ace says:

    @Kay:

    “Russia seems to have captured the GOP executive and legislative branches”? What’s left? The judiciary?

    YES… and by coincidence “someone” just paid off $200,000.00 of debt for Trumps new SCROTUS nominee. It would be irresponsible not to question who!

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    debbie says:

    @Kay:

    Who? Why hasn’t this Congressperson been indicted?

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    Kristine says:

    @Gravenstone: Wondering if Rosenstein seeded what he told Trump, so that if certain things get back to him, he knows Trump told Putin things he shouldn’t have.

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    debbie says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    This is why I said below that Trump and Putin are tag teaming. Trump is a pig, but he’s no puppet. He would never allow himself to be manipulated. If there’s a peepee tape, he’ll bully it into obscurity.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @The Dangerman: In many ways this is reminiscent of a submarine hunt movie. Interestingly, the two best submarine hunt movies were episodes of Star Trek. The original series episode Balance of Terror:
    http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/....._(episode)

    And the Deep Space 9 episode Starship Down:
    http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/....._(episode)

    ETA: And, of course, the original series movie Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. Or at least most of it’s second and all of it’s third act.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @debbie: So as not to tip off others. Learn the whole network, and then sweep it up.

    ETA: besides, who believes it’s only one congresscritter?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @WereBear: You’re quite welcome.

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    Captain C says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Given that Giuliani was heavily involved in prosecuting the heads of the Five Families back in the ’80s, and thus presumably knows something about taking down organized criminals, I really wonder if he actually believes his bullshit about “we won’t sit for an interview unless you give us proof of crimes” (and has thus become senile) or if it’s just a cynical strategy on his part (given that he may be indicted himself when all is said and done). Either way, he’s certainly going out of his way to permanently destroy his own reputation.

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    MattF says:

    @Ruckus: The well-known ‘color gamut‘ jigsaws really ought to be assembled on the surface of a torus– but unfortunately supplying the solver with a toroidal solving surface would increase the price considerably. Too bad.

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    debbie says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Expose one, and the rest will bum-rush the microphones to sputter their protest. That’s how we’ll know.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @MagdaInBlack: @Ruckus: @Gravenstone: @MattF: Rudy was never a particularly good prosecutor or mayor. He is, however, exceptionally good at making sure he gets credit for his colleagues and subordinates work and ensuring that the spotlight is on him. Anyone who gets in the way is done away with. This is why he got rid of his police chief who was very good at his job. The police chief was getting too much credit that Rudy wanted.

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    Ken says:

    @The Dangerman: I wonder if the Secret Service checked the Queen? Talk about your sovereign immunity…

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    Elizabelle says:

    @MoCA Ace: Plus that $28.5 million from one donor to run ads WRT keeping the Supreme Court in “conservative” (ie. reactionary) hands around the time of Gorsuch or Garland. One donor, funding ads in political races around the country.

    Who was that? (Kay put up the link earlier this week.)

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    America’s dumbest lawyer weighs in!

    Dr. Silverman, you have a Mr. Cohen on Line 1.

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    Kay says:

    Another lie from the phony “America’s Mayor”:

    @RudyGiuliani
    Follow Follow @RudyGiuliani
    More
    The indictments Rod Rosenstein announced are good news for all Americans. The Russians are nailed. No Americans are involved. Time for Mueller to end this pursuit of the President and say President Trump is completely innocent.

    Gross. He’ll really say anything for a stack of cash. Don’t these people ever retire? How much money does he need?

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    debbie says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    Your link isn’t working.

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    gratuitous says:

    @donnah: I tend to trust the DOJ and the Special Counsel to know what they’re doing. They appear to be thorough-going professionals going about a difficult task. Far be it (very far be it) for me to tell them how to do their jobs, but in this instance there’s an added dimension that isn’t usually present in a standard criminal investigation, and that is the 24-7 national network of broadcast and cable outlets dedicated to obfuscating, distracting, and papering over the wrongdoing that’s being investigated. That is, there is a public relations battle going on. It wouldn’t hurt, I don’t think, for the Special Counsel and DOJ to attend to this, if only a little bit.

    Do an interview or two. Discuss the indictments that have been handed up. Talk about the guilty pleas already obtained. Some kind of counterbalance to the incessant bleatings of a witch hunt and a bad faith investigation. It doesn’t have to be an all-out full court press, just a calm recitation of the public facts.

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    Ken says:

    @debbie: Or say one is under investigation, and watch as fifty announce they’re retiring to spend more time with their families.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    If you look around the table and can’t figure out who the mark is, you’re the mark.

    They were too stupid to realize anyone was a mark, that a game was being played.

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    Leto says:

    @Kay: You asked about this in the thread downstairs, but the RNC was hacked by the Russians in 2016.

    RUSSIA HACKED ‘OLDER’ REPUBLICAN EMAILS, FBI DIRECTOR SAYS

    In a hearing before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Tuesday, Comey offered a few fresh scraps of information about Russian hackers’ targeting of Republican organizations along with Democratic ones, noting that state-level GOP targets and a disused RNC email domain were penetrated, while also confirming for the first time that the FBI doesn’t believe Trump’s campaign itself was hacked. “There was evidence that there was hacking directed at state-level organizations and the RNC, but old domains of the RNC, that is, email domains they were no longer using,” Comey told the Senate committee. “Information was harvested from there, but it was old stuff. None of that was released.”

    Comey noted that spear-phishing, a tactic of targeting carefully spoofed emails to trick victims into giving up sensitive credentials or passwords, was “no doubt” used against the Republicans, just as it was used against the Democrats. He later added that he didn’t know whether the hackers had attempted intrusions on the RNC’s newer communications or the Trump campaign, and also didn’t say how old the stolen emails were.

    That Russian hackers did penetrate some Republican servers but never leaked that information was one factor that led US intelligence agencies to conclude that the Kremlin’s hacking operation was expressly intended to help elect Donald Trump, according to director of national intelligence James Clapper.

    As you stated, they didn’t just want Trumpov but the entire GOP. And based upon what the GOP is doing, the Russians own them.

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    piratedan says:

    @Kay: all of it Katie?

    It will be a hard, crushing fall with little or no bounce when Mueller’s subpeonas come for America’s Mayor.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Yutsano: Wait until the RICO charges against the RNC.

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    trollhattan says:

    @The Ancient Randonneur:
    Hah! Not taking the bet against. Thank goodness for control+F, makes it much easier to count.

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    Kay says:

    @debbie:

    It says “candidate” so we don’t know it it’s sitting member. It also says the candidate got what he wanted. Guccifer complied with the request. So congressional races are in this, and so is (potentially) Congress.

    It makes sense that they’d want to give Trump a far Right Congress and boy did they ever. A more spineless bunch of bootlickers Putin couldn’t have found. They spent all day yesterday working for him.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Captain C:

    Either way, he’s certainly going out of his way to permanently destroy his own reputation.

    The destruction of his reputation was set in motion when he decided to use his old FBI contacts to help Trump. This is just the results of that decision playing out.

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    debbie says:

    @Ken:

    Yes, that would be rewarding. But at the moment, I want suffering, tears, and humiliation.

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    The Ancient Randonneur says:

    In which we learn, once again, the only fucking email server that DID NOT get hacked was HRC’s private server. Give that IT person a medal and a big pay raise!

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    Joey Maloney says:

    @MattF: It needn’t be that expensive. How much does an inflatable hemhorroid pillow cost?

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    delk says:

    Stop your fooling around
    Time you straightened right out
    Better think of your future
    Else you’ll wind up in jail
    Rudy, a message to you
    Rudy, a message to you

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    debbie says:

    @Roger Moore:

    I’m not sure he ever really had much of a reputation. He’s been a dick since his earliest days as a prosecutor.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @piratedan: And America’s Mayor is already under siege from his third wife, who complains he’s been unfaithful with yet another woman before the divorce papers were even served. What unexpected behavior for Ms. Nathan!

    I hope the wifey and Mueller strip Giuliani of everything he has.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @debbie: I want them so badly punished that they don’t even think of doing something like that again for a century or two. Draw and quarter them.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Ken: Good time to think again about Paul Ryan retiring “to spend more time with his children before they are out of the house.”

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    Kay says:

    @Leto:

    What do we do when it happens in 2020? This exact thing could happen again and if it did it would play out exactly the same way. It’ll be worse. Now we have a crap, low quality AG who is a Trump loyalist and vehement racist and if anything the FBI is more Trumpy than they were in ’16. Media will cover it exactly the same, as if the emails alone are proof of nefarious secret dealings by the she-witch Democrat.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Agreed.
    Rudi was and is not good at anything, except giving himself a decades long blow job.

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    Shana says:

    @Ruckus: Look at Liberty Puzzles. I got one as a gift a couple of years ago. They’re wooden and almost none of the edge pieces look like traditional edges. There are also very interesting shapes, people striding, birds, flowers, animals. More difficult than the number of pieces would generally indicate. Very pricey but very cool.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Elizabelle: Treason is still punishable by death in the USA.

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    MattF says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Also, I think a lot of chickens are coming home to roost, for Rudy in particular. I don’t think he has a detectable reputation to protect or a way out at this point.

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    Kay says:

    @Leto:

    I don’t know- Democrats communicate only on burners, or with ultra-secure communications? Face to face meetings only?

    Like they’re operating in a hostile nation, disallowed from ordinary campaigning? It’s fucked up. They have to act like an actual resistance?

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    Ruckus says:

    @Mnemosyne:
    Link no good. You fix.

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    Millard Filmore says:

    @Yutsano:

    I also think this indictment had no Americans so that Mueller doesn’t look like he’s trying to influence the midterms. Just a thought.

    My thought is that Mueller wants to avoid the possibility of Trump passing out pardons for everyone, until it is blindingly clear that doing so will mark Trump as a full fledged traitor.

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    WereBear says:

    @Yutsano: I figure at this point they are either in the mud up to their necks OR they are cray-cray “true believers” who fell for all the propaganda.

    By this time, there isn’t anyone else.

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    WereBear says:

    @Mnemosyne: Link broken.

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    Captain C says:

    @debbie: True. He did, however, have some people convinced that he was a competent hero given his involvement in the prosecution of the heads of the Five Families and his very public response to 9/11.

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    Yarrow says:

    @debbie: @Ruckus: @WereBear:
    There was an extra ” in the link for some reason. Here is the link to ruemara’s citizenship GoFundMe.

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    Drunkenhausfrau says:

    @Ruckus: Mister Drunk and I did a 3D one like that. Exhausting. Much like this *presidency and investigation.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @debbie:

    D’oh! Let’s try it as a naked link then:

    https://www.gofundme.com/7jsyv4-citizenship-fund

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    Kay says:

    Maggie Haberman Retweeted
    Mark Mazzetti
    ‏@MarkMazzettiNYT
    2h2 hours ago
    More
    NEW: 12 Russian Intelligence Officers Indicted in Hacking Tied to the Clinton Campaign

    God almighty they can’t write a coherent sentence. Are they saying the hackers are tied to the Clinton campaign? Because that’s what they wrote.

    America’s worst political team scores another goal. They’re bad. They do a bad job. They can no longer manage a simple declarative sentence.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @MoCA Ace: @Elizabelle: Again, I highly recommend this article:
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-secrets-of-leonard-leo-the-man-behind-trumps-supreme-court-pick

    It would be interesting to know who his real financial backers are.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Kay: They are doing a bad job on purpose. Or, looked at another way, they are doing a good job of obscuring the truth, creating confusion and not blaming Trump, Russia, Republicans.

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    Kelly says:

    @Kay:

    How funny is it that the people who ran on an international “elite” are actually part and parcel of an international alliance of far Right actors?

    The success of right wing billionaires steadily increasing their wealth and power by campaigning against elites has amazed me for the last 40 years. I’ve always been an optimist and keep thinking after each incident of Republican cheating and abuse is exposed people will never fall for it again. I guess the he’s a son of a bitch but he’s our son of a bitch is good enough to forgive all transgressions.

    The heat wave has arrive at the Willamette Valley. I’m heading down to the swimming hole for my first morning swim of the summer.

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    Spanky says:

    @Elizabelle:

    I hope the wifey and Mueller strip Giuliani of everything he has.

    Ewww!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Leto: Yep, I wrote about it on the front page in DEC 2016 as one of my Maskirovka posts. That was my big fear, which is what I was writing about when the news broke that my fear was a reality. So I updated the post.

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    DandyLion says:

    @Kay:

    What’s left? The judiciary?

    Wellll, about that. See, there was the big loan made by Justice Kennedy’s son, and…

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: I think Trump is just going to ignore it. He’d already been briefed on this when told reporters that he wouldn’t confront Putin at all, because Putin would just deny it and then what else could Trump possibly do?

    So basically, Rosenstein/Mueller may have tried to time this to actually temper Trump’s behavior. But like most attempts to get him to act like a sane, patriotic human being it’s doomed to failure. Trump is already either bought off or irredeemable.

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    Ruckus says:

    @MattF:
    If Rudi was all about his client, he wouldn’t have screwed drumpf as often as he does. No, Rudi is about rudi, first and foremost. He is a lot like drumpf, without the charm and sophistication.

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    Spanky says:

    @Kay:

    America’s worst political team scores another goal. They’re bad. They do a bad job. They can no longer manage a simple declarative sentence.

    C’mon, Kay! It’s been pointed out over and over that their job isn’t journalism anymore. They’re doing their real job just fine. Tying everything back to Democrats.

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    Millard Filmore says:

    @Ruckus:

    [jigsaw puzzle] edges shouldn’t be all straight.

    Simple. Start with a normal box of pieces and remove all the edges.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Kay: You just have to laugh. Fucking Maggie Haberman.

    I don’t agree with MattF above. The NY Times cannot be anywhere near a truth squad, nor can Mrs. Greenspan or other august presences. It is not known where precisely the rot is at the NY Times, and throughout the media.

    I’d say David Cay Johnston and Jane Mayer are honorable journalists. David Fahrenthold too. But watch out for the media elite, because they have sources and themselves to protect.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Millard Filmore: I think we might be looking at the pardons issue wrong. Look at the pattern of the pardon so far. Arpaio, who is a big part of Drumpf’s base in Arizona. Scooter Libby, which is just random but someone from his whispering circle wanted it. The Hammond brothers, which is again a sop to his base. And then a dead AA boxer and a Kardashian went and made him feel good so he commuted a sentence. None of these people have any close connection with Dolt45, save Arpaio but that’s more racist old man looking out for another more than anything. Plus Arpaio hates browns as much as he does. I don’t think there will be any pardons of the principles outside of maybe his own immediate family.

    @WereBear: Por que no los dos?

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @MattF: More than a “dead man’s switch” (the US term BTW), I will hazard a guess that at least one of our allied intelligence agencies (cough cough Deuxieme Bureau, entendez-vous dans les campagnes…?) has the e-mails that the Rooskies hacked from the RNC & assorted Thuglican politicos – & that once released they would blow the lid of this whole sordid bidniz, sending at least a dozen top GOPers to the guillotine SuperMax to pas the rest of their unnatural lives in shitgibbon-hair-dyed jumpsuits. And maybe that’s why Bobby 3Styx keeps on keepin’ on, serene & untouched by the pigmuckers…

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Kay: It was used by a specific campaign in Florida, as well as in ads put out by Ryan’s PAC. Pelosi called him on it and the news covered.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/07/us/politics/nancy-pelosi-urges-paul-ryan-to-ban-republicans-from-using-hacked-documents.html
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/us/politics/house-democrats-hacking-dccc.html

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Kay: Jesus that’s awful– I’m a little surprised it was Mazzetti who wrote it, that looks like some vintage Haberman, or the two dolts who wrote the “FBI finds no Trump-Russia connection” in IIRC October ’16

    @Elizabelle: Okay, I’m a little bit embarrassed that I noticed this and that I’m curious, but I did and I am. In all the photos of Rudi at that Supreme Court press unveiling last week, there was a woman next to him who looked a lot like Judi. Was all this Page 6 stuff just about a renegotiation of the prenup? Or is it hat Rudi has a type and that was the new future ex-Mrs Giulani from New Hampshire? Hard for me to imagine the Future Third Ex-MrsG couldn’t make things very awkward for Rudi 9/11 and his various partners, clients and… what’s the Russian word for patrons?

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    Leto says:

    @Kay:

    What do we do when it happens in 2020?

    We turn out the vote for this November to take the House and Senate back. We bring congressional oversight to the executive. We do what we can with Congressional authority to shore up our election systems. We elect Dems in state races, state legislatures and do the same. We don’t wait for 2020. We need to do it this November, then (as I’ve told my Airmen time and time again) act with some g-d urgency and move to fix what we can. This should be another tv/internet/radio ad for Dems about voting rights: the Rethugs are in cahoots with Russia to take away your voting rights.

    @Kay: That’s today’s reality: we’re the resistance. You have a ruling party that acts like it’s controlled by a foreign government. We’re resisting.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Kay:

    I don’t know- Democrats communicate only on burners, or with ultra-secure communications? Face to face meetings only?

    I don’t know they need to go that far. They need to take precautions- use encryption all the time, every account has two-factor authentication, have serious security for their servers, etc.- but they don’t have to tie themselves in knots. Most of the Russians’ success in hacking their email was from social engineering type attacks like spearphishing rather than directly breaking technical protections. Just knowing they’re the target of a hostile foreign intelligence service should make a huge difference in thinking about and thereby avoiding those kinds of attacks.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: That’s the new woman he’s dating. Not the hospital administrator who’s marriage he blew up a month or two ago, that was just cheating on his way to the real cheating. Or something. But all these women all look alike.

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    scott (the other one) says:

    @Kay: Oh, I think they did. Two years ago, this would have been solid tinfoil hat territory. But after fucking up this kind of thing over and over and over and knowing, as we do, that the President of the United States is compromised by Russia, is it really so inconceivable that the New York Times is too? They’re either staggeringly bad at their jobs—like, worse than your average high school newspaper—or there’s some other explanation as to why they keep doing this again and again and again.

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    hueyplong says:

    If you think we’re anxious and impatient, think about the guilty Americans who keep waiting for the other shoe to drop and instead just get more detail and more of the foreigners involved in this.

    One thing we can agree on is that most of the worst GOPers were chosen based on extremism and loyalty and not on intelligence. Eventually, one of them will crack and things will get the kind of crazy we like a lot more than the kind of crazy we’ve been living.

    If you can somehow block out all the damage being done to the country on a daily basis and just focus on things like mouthy a-holes going all radio silence, the next few months might get kind of fun in a way.

    After this week’s NATO thing, I’d like to imagine that every ally we’ve ever had is dumping on the Mueller team whatever information it hasn’t already passed along.

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    Leto says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I remember; those were highly informative posts that I shared as much as i could. I need to go back and bookmark them on my home computer for future reference.

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    Millard Filmore says:

    @Yutsano:

    I don’t think there will be any pardons of the principles outside of maybe his own immediate family.

    I hope you are correct but the penalty for being wrong is too huge to ignore.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Shana:
    This similar to what I do for a living. We take a print and have to decide not only what the 3D part is supposed to be, but what to do and in what order. It’s not always that difficult, but some days there really aren’t any good/easy ways to get from paper to finished product. Some days there isn’t any way. That doesn’t happen as often anymore, 3D computing makes it easier to see and to design.

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    lollipopguild says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Do not forget “The Enemy Below” a WW2 sub movie.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Kay: In NYTland *everything* is tied to the Clintons. “Hundreds Die in Flooding Due to Monsoons Related to Clinton Campaign.”

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    Leto says:

    @Roger Moore: Some of that is just basic user security precautions, other parts of that involve money. How much do they want to spend on their computer security? Do they have full time computer security staffers, is it contracted out? You read about some of those fishing attempts and it’s basically, “HI! I am Nigerian prince and I have offer…” style stuff. I don’t know how you fix user issues like that though. I’d recommend many remedial training sessions, but you can’t do that with these people. Idk.

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    LongHairedWeirdo says:

    The idea of “rolling indictments” makes a lot of sense to me. A perp who sees their closest co-conspirator indicted might realize they might be next and reach out a feeler about how they’ve discovered a patriotic desire to help secure America, and make amends for their foolish mistakes. Or it ramps up the pressure and gets people nervous, scared, or angry, and emotional people make mistakes. Also, as the connections spread, there are more chances for more people to realize that what they engaged in wasn’t just “unethical” but actually illegal, and make a legitimate offer to help. I mean, they can’t all be GOP true believers; some of them surely have a conscience.

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    @Shana: I just started a 5000 piece jigsaw I got for Christmas. I didn’t want to start it until after we moved.

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    germy says:

    On or about August 15, 2016, the Conspirators, posing as Guccifer 2.0, received a request for stolen documents from a candidate for US Congress

    Who was the candidate? Anyone care to speculate?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @lollipopguild: That’s a classic.

    Also:

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    Ruckus says:

    @Drunkenhausfrau:
    As I was leaving my last comment, that thought struck me as well. It is a big puzzle and no one has seen all the pieces. RM has seen more than us for sure. And he has to fit them together before he can show us. And really it’s probably several puzzles, that in the end all fit together.

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    Mike in DC says:

    I think an indictment of Brad Parscale, who ran the campaign data operation and who Trump tapped to run his 2020 campaign, would be especially sweet. As I recall, Parscale was “supervised” by DJTJ and Jared Kushner, and worked hand in glove with Cambridge Analytica and the Mercer family.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Nice try, Rudy.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Millard Filmore:
    Done that.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Leto:

    I don’t know how you fix user issues like that though.

    There are two things. One is you try to drive it home to everyone that the Russians are going to try to get into your system and what they can do to help prevent it. The example of the Clinton campaign should help to give that more focus than it otherwise would have. The other thing to do is to have a red team that tries to do the same thing to your people and nail anyone to the wall if the red team manages to social engineer them.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Ruckus:
    @WereBear:

    Sorry, I had to wander off and do some actual work while I’m at work. 😘 New naked link above should work.

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    prostratedragon says:

    @Kay: “tied to?!” Insidious.

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    Wyatt Derp says:

    @lollipopguild: The Enemy Below is awesome BTW. My favorite WWII movie.

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    Joey Maloney says:

    @scott (the other one): If we’re going all Tinfoil Hattie here, my contribution is I hope Mueller buys one of those novelty teacups with the built-in Geiger counter.

    If bad, slanted journalism is the metric, the NYT has been in the Russian bag since 1992 when James Gerth et al. fell for Whitewater sink, line and hooker. I think an easier explanation is that this generation of journamalists all came to maturity watching “All The President’s Men” on cable. They all wanted to be Woodward and Bernstein (or more likely Redford and Hoffman) and they weren’t about to let anything as trivial as the lack of an actual scandal get in their way. And the reason they’ve missed all the actual (Republican) scandals since then has more to do with target lock and Georgetown cocktail weenies than kompromat.

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    Baud says:

    @Kay: The NYT is garbage.

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    piratedan says:

    while this really does drive a stake thru the heart of the Collusion Vampire and shows that FSB/GRU were on call to perform Trump’s bidding, I’m really curious to see what branches off of the treason tree this reveals…

    1) who in the media served as their conduit, i..e. someone had to lead to allow the others to follow, so just who for the NYT and which other MSM News entity was compliant. Let’s face it, this already has Faux and most likely the Sinclair folks involved, so I won’t be surprised when those names are revealed, it may be more of a matter of who wasn’t involved on their end (probably a much shorter list)….

    2) who in the GOP was in on this… my guess is Reince baby and the GOP being the GOP, everyone else just simply nodded their heads and went along? Does that mean that we’re actually talking about not only the kit but the kaboodle as well? i.e. Ryan, McConnell, Scalise, Pense, McCarthy, et al, the entire GOP political leadership? I mean based on their behavior, would it surprise anyone?

    Is Mueller really Scooby Doo and the GOP a saturday morning cartoon villian?

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    Joey Maloney says:

    @piratedan:

    Is Mueller really Scooby Doo and the GOP a saturday morning cartoon villian?

    The metaphor of the USA as a decrepit, haunted amusement park is spot-on.

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    Hitlesswonder says:

    @Kay: in the lead ny times article on the indictments the reader comments are fascinating. All of the “nytimes pick” comments exhibit a specific viewpoint…

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    Leto says:

    @Roger Moore: If this were my show, I’d do both. No reason in 2018 to be this dumb concerning computer security. Just no reason, especially at that level.

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    Spanky says:

    @Joey Maloney:

    … fell for Whitewater sink, line and hooker.

    Ummmmm, that sounds more like the Republicans, actually.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    he’s going to stay rigged to run silent and at depth until he’s ready to move on a target.

    But does he have Clark Gable and Don Rickles on his team? Or at least Curt Jürgens?

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    See my question #141

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    Spanky says:

    @Spanky: “Hook, line, and sinker”, is the usual analogy. :^)

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    Pressure is building for Trump to cancel his meeting with Putin.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @zhena gogolia: Aren’t they all dead?

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    Spanky says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: So of course it’s time for Double-Down Donnie to do what he does so well.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:
    5,000 pieces? I hope you have a 5,000 square foot house!

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    Baud says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Good.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    They’re all immortal.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Narrator: He didn’t cancel his meeting with Putin.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @zhena gogolia: They have inside them blood of kings? They have no rivals?

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    Ocotillo says:

    Any chance the Putin meeting will be wired? By our side I mean?

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    JWL says:

    A blind person can see where this thing is heading, yet Trump doggedly clings to the Sam Nunberg strategy of telling Mueller Inc. to go piss up a rope.

    When The Trickster helicoptered off to San Clemente, it didn’t occur to me then to object. Of course, I didn’t see Ford’s pardon coming, either.

    So I take great heart in believing that when Trump falls, no helicopters will be involved. Instead, come that day, I foresee Americans will face two stark choices about what to do with his sorry ass. But only two: execution for treason, or lifetime incarceration in a super max prison. What other choice will he have left us? House arrest?

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    @trollhattan: Mr DAW measured the dining room table. It’s just barely wide enough. Length is fine, though pieces will be piled up for a while.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    It’s a Run Silent, Run Deep reference. I thought that’s what you were going for. And I erroneously remembered Curt Jürgens as having been in it.

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    Spanky says:

    @Ocotillo: If one counts the Finns as being on our side … count on it.

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    smedley the uncertain says:

    @Yarrow: Thanks. Deed is done as “BJ Lurker.”

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    laura says:

    @delk: Delk! The Specials -still special.
    Hope your heart is healing. You’ve had a year. (((((Delk)))))

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Hitlesswonder: That frequently happens. The NYT readers are more honest than the NYT staff.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    Jacob’s dad is almost as dumb as he is.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @LongHairedWeirdo:

    See Manafort, Paul. The guy couldn’t stop himself from witness tampering while out on bail, and the latest court filings seem to indicate that he’s continuing his campaign from behind bars.

    The reason to roll things up this way is to spook the guilty parties and get them to tip their hands. The odds that Mueller does not already have wiretaps in place for all of the American suspects are … very low.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    As I was saying…

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    If you’re not following Julia Davis, you should be:

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @zhena gogolia: No worries.

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    Boussinesque says:

    @piratedan: oh, you want there to be a bounce—greater impulse delivered during the impact to get the object moving upwards again, so more damage to poor Rudy’s career/ego/bank account. /Physics pedant //

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    nonynony says:

    @JWL:

    So I take great heart in believing that when Trump falls, no helicopters will be involved. Instead, come that day, I foresee Americans will face two stark choices about what to do with his sorry ass. But only two: execution for treason, or lifetime incarceration in a super max prison. What other choice will he have left us? House arrest?

    He won’t go to prison.

    Best case scenario is that we as a country actually say “ENOUGH”, kick him out of office and the next President refuses to pardon him as the indictments come down. He flees to Russia or some other country with no extradition treaty with the US and lives out his days a broken man who has all of his assets seized. Also in this scenario the GOP double down on racial resentment and the “criminalization of politics”. Trump becomes a folk hero in the eyes of the hardcore GOP and within 30 years there’s a Republican president elected who pardons him – even if it has to be done posthumously.

    That’s the best case. Don’t get me started on the worst case because I don’t want to have to drink myself into a stupor to get to sleep tonight.

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    Wyatt Derp says:

    @zhena gogolia: Curt Jurgens was the Captain in The Enemy Below. Easy mistake when discussing great submarine movies!

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @zhena gogolia: Curt Jurgens was the Unterseebootkapitan in The Enemy Below IIRC. Another good one.

    (ETA: Was Derp schon sagte.)

    And on that note:

    Los eins!
    Eins los.
    Los zwo!
    Zwo los.

    {usw}

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    trollhattan says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Wait, that first tweet wasn’t parody? Somebody tell me that was parody.

    ETA at this point isn’t China the “other, other nuclear superpower?” Everybody seems to forget them until the iphone price skyrockets.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Uncle Cosmo: Gesundheit!

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I think the Narrator has it right.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Pressure is building for Trump to cancel his meeting with Putin.

    Anybody in the GOP leadership weigh in on this? Or are they all hiding out?

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    @Ocotillo:

    Any chance the Putin meeting will be wired? By our side I mean?

    No. This has been another episode of SATSQ.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @nonynony:

    Also in this scenario the GOP double down on racial resentment and the “criminalization of politics”.

    I think the GOP, as it is currently constituted is beginning to run on fumes. I doubt there will even be a GOP (like the one now) in 30 years.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Roger Moore:
    The massive campaign about HRC’s emails may be more about that no one could get into the server. Which of course meant that secret stuff just had to be going on.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @trollhattan: Nope. Wohl was a major campaign surrogate for Trump. I think he may have also been involved in the transition. His son, who is so dumb that I’m not sure it can actually be measured using current technology, is involved in a variety of financial scams and trying to always being the first reply to every tweet put out on the President’s personal account.

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    @Brachiator: Jeff Flake gave a sorta kinda lukewarm tweet about how Trump really needs to say something to Putin about election interference. There was a tweet from another R, I’m forgetting the name, that seemed ambiguous to me, but others were finding it a step in the right direction. There may be more. I’m gonna disappear from the internets in a few minutes.

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: I’m gonna back off on this one a little and say that our Finnish friends are furnishing the venue and have more smarts than our current government about this sort of thing. So we can hope they will get a tape.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Go Mark Warner go! Put that motherfucker in a corner: if he cancels, he looks like he caved to Democrats; if he goes ahead with it, he looks like Putin’s best friend and edges ever more into ‘obvious traitor’ territory to the rest of the country.

    Either way, PUSH HARD!!

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    Jeffro says:

    @nonynony: That’s not the best case, that’s the middle road here. Best case is, we all line up “Hands Across America” style across the entire length of America, tarring and feathering him all the way from DC to SF.

    Wait…BEST case is something like “The Long Walk” by Richard Bachman, PLUS tarring and feathering. But the second-best case is “Tar and Feathers Across America” ;)

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: He also just broke protocol several times when he was reviewing the Queen’s guards. You don’t walk ahead of the Queen. You don’t accept salutes from her own Soldiers before the Queen accepts them. You don’t step off ahead of the Queen. And you don’t direct the Queen to go inside her own home. Dipshit couldn’t be bothered to pay any attention in the prep briefings. And that’s after arriving 15 minutes late.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Brachiator: The invertebrate caucus is slowly sliding towards deeper cover.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    Oh goodie, Sam Nunberg is on my moving picture box…

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    Teddys Person says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I vacillate between thinking that Trump doesn’t listen/remember briefings on protocol or he deliberately doesn’t follow protocol because no one puts Trump Baby in a corner.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Joey Maloney:

    the NYT has been in the Russian bag since 1992

    The NYT has been in the Russian bag since 1932, when Stalin was taking maximum advantage of Walter Duranty’s many vices.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    Our long national nightmare is over, GG has spoken!

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    MagdaInBlack says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    *head > desk
    What a big stupid oaf.
    Dear lord in heaven.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Can no one rid us of this oafish bounder?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Yep, the only recordings made will be made by Putin’s people.

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    Baud says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I’m confident he made a similar admonition when the FBI was looking into Hillary’s emails.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Teddys Person: Both.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I am shocked that GG staked out that particular position.

    Say, is he still in Moscow?

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Uh…isn’t the evidence for a prosecutor’s case only supposed to come out at trial?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @MagdaInBlack: It just shows how good those Soldiers’ training is, that the “Captain of the Guard” who was escorting them for the review didn’t step in and physically prevent the President from walking in front of the Queen.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    It would appear the reason we’re approaching ‘full employment” is due to Trump vacuuming up all the village idiots. If only they were cloistered somewhere where they could do no harm.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    I had a friend, since deceased, who was a great defense attorney in Northern Florida. He was famous for papering prosectors and judges into submission to offer good deals for his clients. He asked me once, “What do the Miami attorneys think of me?” And I (and another friend from Miami) told him that everyone thought he was a good attorney, but he didn’t go to trial enough. He famously said,
    “Trial? Who wants to go to trial? That’s where they find out the truth!”

    So fuck GG and his “no proof, no proof!” Buddies.

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    hueyplong says:

    Greenwald and this Mate bot think a prosecutor has to go all Brady in an indictment?

    I’ve seen better spin from children wiping cookie crumbs off their palms and faces.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Gin & Tonic: I do not know and I do not care.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷: Don’t confuse him, he’s a constitutional lawyer…

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    trollhattan says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Thank goodness! Until GG informs me I’ve been duped again I don’t technically know the time and location of my duping.

    Thanks Glenn, how’s winter in Brazil treating you?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Wait, Josh Marshall has details:

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    Apparently he was the coffee boy:

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    A Damn Lawyer @adamnlawyer
    2h2 hours ago
    One of two things is true. “A candidate for the U.S. Congress” is either:
    A. cooperating, or
    B. about to be indicted.

    And if B, A may be in the very near future.

    There is no other conclusion to be reached.

    Pages 15-16 of the indictment, relevant text at link. “A candidate” asked for and received a “stolen document” from Guccifer.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Immanentize: I’m pretty sure if you told me his name, I’d know who he was.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Ruh roh! I wonder if Greenwald has gone to Russia to escape possible extradition because of this?

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    JustRuss says:

    I for one am in no hurry for indictments of Americans. At this point they’d just get buried. Wait until after the mid-terms, then assuming a Democratic House, let the dogs loose. Lots of hearings for the media to cover. Hopefully the media will have enough sense to see which way the wind’s blowing and actually cover them.

    If we don’t take the house, indictments won’t matter. Trump, Sessions, and congress will blame Deep State Fake News, and the media will roll over for them.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: The specific candidate is Congressman Brian Mast. If you go to the news articles I linked up thread, you’ll get all the details, as well as how this information was used in at least another 1/2 dozen states to help Republican candidates and harm Democratic candidates. And by Paul Ryan’s PAC.

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    hueyplong says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: As long as we’re speculating, do you think there are about to be some GOP meetings at which the attendees look at one another wondering whether someone is wearing a wire?

    I’m not picky, my only request is that the GOP candidate in question be one that won.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:
    So is drumpf going to thank his owner for getting him elected? I know that nothing logical or in our country’s best interest is going to be,”discussed” but what else could drumpf do but thank him?

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    Yutsano says:

    @nonynony:

    and the next President refuses to pardon him

    If the next president is Pence, don’t count on it. That’s why he needs to go before Dolt45 does.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Elderly USAn couple touring Germany climbs aboard a city bus. The old guy sneezes & someone says Gesundheit! Wife turns to husband & says, Isn’t it wonderful they speak English here too!

    Young Japanese woman, a writer, had been living in Germany for some time. On a bus she notices this old guy giving her the eye & tries to ignore him but every time she glances back he’s still doing it. Finally she gets up to disembark – but as she passes him he grabs her arm & hisses, Nachstmals, ohne Italien!

    (Next time, without Italy!) (ETA to fix the blockquotes)

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Uncle Cosmo: Verdamt blockquotes!

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    Immanentize says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Bill Sheppard — Shep to friends. I knew both him and his Dad….

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    Immanentize says:

    @Adam L Silverman: This is especially funny, because when Trump talked directly to the press, they always quoted him as “a senior campaign official”. Now they quote him as “a senior administration official.”

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Looking forward to the day when the answer to Where’s Greenwaldo? is “Lying in a backalley dumpster, body mutilated almost beyond recognition.”

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    The Other Chuck says:

    @Roger Moore:

    nail anyone to the wall if the red team manages to social engineer them

    Punishing the users who fall for social engineering creates an atmosphere that leads people to distrust the infosec team, cover up their own security gaffes, and seek unofficial workarounds to problems that leads to more social engineering attacks. You cannot run an IT department on fear.

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    The Other Chuck says:

    @Uncle Cosmo: Really? I’ll settle for “oh, that idiot?” or just “Glenn who?”

    John needs to crack down on the violent revenge fantasies here.

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    feebog says:

    Trumpov will meet with Putin. He has to get his homework assignments for the next few months.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I continue to be torn between “Greenwald is a russian asset” or “Greenwald has his head so far up his ass he can’t admit he got played by the Russians”.

    Either way: What a gigantic asshole.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @The Other Chuck: To be totally fair, I think Cosmo is saying that eventually the Russians are going to get Greenwald. I think – could be wrong.

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    James E Powell says:

    @Uncle Cosmo:

    That’s a bit harsh. Are you sure you’re okay?

    For the real offenders, I advocate they be scrubbing the latrines in the FEMA camps. For clowns like GG, I’d settle for point and laugh.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @MisterForkbeard: trump or Greenwald, a massive ego and bone-deep sense of resentment, makes them that much easier to manipulate

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    The Moar You Know says:

    Punishing the users who fall for social engineering creates an atmosphere that leads people to distrust the infosec team, cover up their own security gaffes, and seek unofficial workarounds to problems that leads to more social engineering attacks. You cannot run an IT department on fear.

    @The Other Chuck: I disagree profoundly. If the person who falls for the attack isn’t responsible, who is? We train our people. WE TRAIN THE HELL OUT OF THEM. They know what a social engineering attack is and the damage it can do. I have measures in place to mitigate the damage, but that only goes so far. As far as “unofficial workarounds”, if I find someone has been doing that, I am required to refer them for termination that day. And you know what? People don’t do that shit. Not here.

    You damn well can and should run your IT department based on fear, if your IT assets are all you have – which is the case here. And we have to answer to DoD – required reporting – if someone fucks up, and they aren’t the kindliest of folks when it comes to user-induced breaches. Since it’s my ass on the line 24/7, I run IT like a complete asshole. And will continue to do so.

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    GregB says:

    Glenn GRUnwald.

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    John Fremont says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Marine embassy guards can remember more training on etiquette, customs and courtesies than the President. Sad!

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    burnspbesq says:

    @Uncle Cosmo:

    Put him in a room with Reality Winner’s mom for five minutes. You’ll get your wish.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Adam L Silverman: This sounds just like the asshole lawyer I had to listen to this morning. The combination of hubris, hand-waving, ignorance both willful and unwitting on display would be utterly infuriating if it weren’t also weirdly hilarious, in a Dr. Strangelovian way.

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    The Other Chuck says:

    @The Moar You Know: I’m not saying you run information security on flowers and sunshine and hugs, but I’d hope most outfits draw the line on running sting operations on their own employees. I guess it’s just the outfits that most IT professionals actually want to work for.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @The Other Chuck: You need to go fuck yourself, Greenwaldo richly deserves a nasty & painful death & it can’t happen a minute too soon.

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    Tenar Arha says:

    @Adam L Silverman: You said that Mueller & Rosenstein will be watching the network for their reactions.

    Am I correct in thinking that any US persons abroad right now with the President, calling or contacting anyone anywhere, will likely have their communications tracked? Or is it fiction that it’s not considered unusual, among allies, to accidentally on purpose spy on each other?

    Which leads me to my actual question: perhaps the timing of the indictments isn’t completely incidental, since spying on the network is easier to do, while parts of it may be abroad?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Immanentize: I don’t know him, but I know of him.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Tenar Arha: All of our allies are monitoring them. As are our peer competitors and our adversaries.

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    Tilda Swintons Bald Cap says:

    Charles Pierce:

    “Goddamn the hackers. Goddamn the journalists who laundered the pilfered material. Goddamn any of them who treated Roger Stone as a source, or as a cute prankster, instead of the nasty vandal he’s always been. Goddamn the pundits who chortled over the pilfered material. Goddamn the politicians who profited from the hacking. Goddamn the politicians who minimized the hacking. Goddamn the politicians who still stonewall about the hacking. Goddamn the “activists” who ranted about “McCarthyism” when anybody pointed out that the 2016 presidential election had been poisoned from afar. Goddamn them all as traitors, if not to the American nation, then to everything that ever made that nation worth the bother.”

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Immanentize: Imm, can I quote you on this??

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    The Other Chuck says:

    @Uncle Cosmo:

    If I tell you to go likewise fuck yourself, does that get me a slot on your fantasy hit list?

    Don’t bother. I think step 1 to happiness is aliasing out this site in my hosts file.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Tilda Swintons Bald Cap: y’know, I’m not always in lock-step with Mr. Pierce on all the issues, but damn…no one does righteous wrath better than he does.

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    Tenar Arha says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Ohhh boy. The President refuses to give up his iPhone & he talks, a lot. & I’m guessing those close to him are almost as bad at information security. 🤔🤔 Mueller don’t need a subpoena for Five Eyes intercepts….

    If I could ignore all the evils already inflicted, I would truthfully find great pleasure in this group’s downfall if it were partly due to refusing to give up one’s personal phone.

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    Ruckus says:

    @John Fremont:
    People in Marine Corp boot camp remember more after the first day than drumpf has ever been capable of. In his entire life.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    He’s less steady on his feet than a woman 20 years older than he is.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Tenar Arha: I’m pretty sure I did a post on this about a month or so ago.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mnemosyne: He’s spray tanned, not divested, and unsteady.

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    Tenar Arha says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Heh. Oops. Welp, at least I asked the right person. 😊 Thanks.

    (I read so much, that unless I take specific notes, & maybe write something, unfortunately no way I remember where I heard it first every time).

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    Dev Null says:

    As someone who’s both done and taught how to do network based targeting, if I was working for Mueller, I’d be advising that he hold off on the American (and British – Cambridge Analytica/SCL, etc) indictments on this stuff as long as possible as I want to see what the rest of the network, especially the Americans and the British portions start to do now that this indictment has been announced.

    I have no formal training in the area, but I am interested – I once taught a defensive cyber security /Best Practices course.

    Might you have a resource list you’d be willing to share?

    eg bibliography, special publications, books, archival papers?

    Thanks!

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    Bill Arnold says:

    @Leto:

    If this were my show, I’d do both. No reason in 2018 to be this dumb concerning computer security. Just no reason, especially at that level.

    Corporate American has been doing testing against spearfishing for a while, ramping up lately. A usual response to a successful test attack is to force remedial education on those who were gullible. (There are commercial services that can help with this.)

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    John Fremont says:

    @Ruckus: Ain’t that the truth! I still can recite The Rifleman’s Creed to this day.

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    Lynn says:

    @Kay: I completely agree. We know that the Mercers and Bannon, through Cambridge Analytica, helped GOP candidates of the House in the 2014 election. But I have seen nothing further on who specifically was helped, what the scope of the help was, etc. If they helped in 2014, odds are high they helped in 2016. I’ve seen nothing on that either. I believe that the Mercers, along with Erik Prince and other American oligarchs, have decided they have more in common with oligarchs throughout the world, whether in Russia, Saudi Arabia, or the UAE, than they do with the American people. Similarly, we know Russian money was funneled to Trump via the NRA, but what other GOP races was NRA/Russian money directed toward? What other ways was oligarch money of whatever stripe funneled into Congressional elections? The GOP’s attempts to kill the Special Counsel’s investigation and to assist a foreign power are so blatant, one has to wonder how many of them have their own personal reasons to fear the results of Mueller’s investigation.

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