Monday Morning Open Thread: Same Stuff, Different Week

(Tom Toles via GoComics.com)
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One positive piece of news: At least four of the boys trapped in the Thai cave have been successfully rescued. Next attempt is due to start around 11am EDT; I used the Buzzfeed link because it’s photo-intensive and will be updated as news breaks.

And then there’s the ‘sad trombone’ news…


From the original Washington Post source:

Student-led rallies around the country on Saturday aimed to show support for gun rights, but their effort drew smaller-than-expected crowds in a bid to counter the well-funded and organized youth gun-control lobby that emerged after the massacre at a Florida high school earlier this year.

Here in Chicago, people rallied in a corner of Millennium Park. In Los Angeles, protesters yelled “gun rights are human rights” as they marched near Pershing Square. In Washington, an American flag billowed against a backdrop of the Capitol as attendees said guns are being used as scapegoats and that society’s problems run deeper than firearms…

Planning for Saturday’s rallies started in April, weeks after gun-control rallies took place in the District and other cities. Some of Saturday’s organizers found one another on Instagram and Facebook and decided to speak out against what they saw as an attack on gun ownership. They expected a modest turnout on Saturday, but far fewer people showed up than organizers had hoped.

In Chicago, organizers planned for about 125 people, but the rally drew approximately 35. The group gathered in a corner of Millennium Park, not on the Great Lawn, because organizers did not secure a permit and park security forced them to leave.

Earlier in the morning in the same city, hundreds of protesters shut down 10 blocks of the Dan Ryan Expressway, one of the busiest interstates in the United States. Their march along the highway was in protest of gun violence and gun-related deaths in Chicago, and the disruption drew widespread attention — and some scorn, from groups including the National Rifle Association…

In Palm Beach, Fla., about 100 people were expected to rally at a park; 13 came, including organizer Ashley Johnson, three speakers and the parents of two of the speakers.

The event was meant to be a counterpoint to the March for Our Lives rallies that attracted thousands across the country after the February shooting, including at events in Florida.

“The goal is to be just as successful as March for Our Lives,” Johnson said. “We want to outdo them.”…

Johnson said she was disappointed in the turnout.

“I don’t know why more people didn’t show up. I think a lot of conservatives are just afraid to show up for public events,” she said through tears…

Yes, I am absolutely mocking these poor, innocent children — and the big-dollar, professional NRA grifters who use them as props while decrying actual victims of gun violence as ‘crisis actors’ and ‘snowflakes’.

159 replies
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    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning, Everyone 😄😄😄

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    JPL says:

    Good morning.

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    rikyrah says:

    Just a beautiful dolphin story to start the day😥😥😥

    https://mobile.twitter.com/dodo/status/1014932169569914880?

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    Bruce K says:

    I think the rabid ammosexuals have missed the fundamental differences between grass-roots and Astroturf.

    Grass grows naturally; Astroturf has to be manufactured, doesn’t grow of its own accord, and doesn’t contribute to a healthy environment.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Advocates for improved nutrition for babies have expressed outrage over reports that the Trump administration bullied other governments in an attempt to prevent the passage of an international resolution promoting breastfeeding.

    The US delegation to the World Health Assembly in Geneva reportedly deployed threats and other heavy-handed measures to try and browbeat nations into backing off the resolution.

    Under the terms of the original WHO text, countries would have encouraged their citizens to breastfeed on grounds that research overwhelmingly shows its health benefits, while warning parents to be alert to inaccurate marketing by formula milk firms.

    The New York Times first reported how the Trump administration reacted forcefully to the resolution, which otherwise had the consensus support of all other assembly members. It pushed to remove a phrase from the draft text that would exhort governments to “protect, promote and support breast-feeding”.

    The administration also used its network of diplomats to lean on member states. Turning on the delegation from Ecuador, the US government said that unless the South American nation withdrew its backing of the resolution it would face punitive trade moves and even the potential loss of military help in its battle against gang violence.

    The resolution was eventually passed with US support, but only after the Russian government reintroduced it using a modified text.

    Lucy Sullivan, executive director of 1,000 Days, the US-headquartered international group working to improve nutrition for babies and infants, said in a Twitter thread that the US intervention amounted to “public health versus private profit. What is at stake: breastfeeding saves women and children’s lives. It is also bad for the multibillion-dollar global infant formula (and dairy) business.”

    The online network of mothers, Moms Rising, called the US government’s move “stunning and shameful. We must do everything we can to advocate for public policies that support and empower breastfeeding moms.”

    Patti Rundall of the UK-based campaign Baby Milk Action told the New York Times: “We were astonished, appalled and also saddened. What happened was tantamount to blackmail, with the US holding the world hostage and trying to overturn nearly 40 years of consensus on best way to protect infant and young child health.”

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    Tony Jay says:

    Student-led rallies around the country on Saturday aimed to show support for gun rights, but their effort drew smaller-than-expected crowds in a bid to counter the well-funded and organized youth gun-control lobby that emerged after the massacre at a Florida high school earlier this year

    .

    Ah, right. So the sparsely attended Gunhumping protests are ‘Student-led’, while the hugely popular Gun-Sanity marches are the product of well-funded lobbies?

    Nice one, WaPo. Thanks for clearing that up.

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    MattF says:

    I’d say the people who didn’t show up for pro-gun rallies had a valid fear of being mocked. Something wrong with that?

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    Schlemazel says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    Its OK though. SHortly after Russia came out in favor of the resolution the Dump administration changed its position to be in favor also.

    No, I am not kidding

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    Mary G says:

    The Palm Beach story, where out of 13 people, only five weren’t the organizer, speakers, or speakers parents, gives me unholy glee every time I see it.

    @raven: Gorgeous! A one-of-a-kind piece!

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    satby says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning 😊!

    @raven: looks fantastic!

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @raven: Beautiful.

    ETA: Old wood has character all it’s own, kinda like old fucks like me.

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    satby says:

    @Tony Jay: huh, good catch.

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    raven says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: It looks ok. I had a can of spar urethane left over from another project so I used that.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Schlemazel: Yeah i know.

    The resolution was eventually passed with US support, but only after the Russian government reintroduced it using a modified text.

    The article never did quote the modified text, so I’m still wondering what Putin told donny was acceptable.

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    satby says:

    @Schlemazel: it’s not just that they’re stupid, it’s also how cartoonishly heavy handed they are. Being against breast feeding in obvious favor of corporations, so breathtaking in its stupidity. Even their troglodyte followers have trouble with that.

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    raven says:

    @satby: I have’t told my wife about this yet.

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    JPL says:

    @raven: It’s beautiful.

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    satby says:

    @raven: yeah, wasn’t she a lactation consultant or something? Disable the cars before you do so she doesn’t head to DC.

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    WereBear says:

    In Chicago, organizers planned for about 125 people, but the rally drew approximately 35. The group gathered in a corner of Millennium Park, not on the Great Lawn, because organizers did not secure a permit and park security forced them to leave.

    If we are saved, it is because the opposition is so freakin’ arrogant and unthinking.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @satby: No no no. Get her pantsing of trump on tape. I wanna watch that on continuous loop.

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    satby says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: well, we could do a jackal fundraiser for bail that would break all records, even Walter’s, so there would be that help available.

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    satby says:

    @WereBear: 35 people on the Great Lawn of Millennial Park is barely a family picnic in Chicago.
    They’re arrogant, but stupid is doing some heavy lifting too.

    Their information bubble makes them think they have the majority views. When they’re confronted with the fact that they don’t, that most people disagree vehemently, it feels that famous conservative grievance machine. They’re a lost cause, just like their favorite flag represents.

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    satby says:

    @satby:ab god, an edit function would be nice on mobile. “feeds that famous conservative grievance machine” .

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @satby: Shiiiiiiiiit, Jackals would have to get in line to donate to that fundraiser.

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    Schlemazel says:

    @satby:
    I was going for the bitter joke there.
    We were assholes but Putin made it “all ok” by appearing more ethical than Dump

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    Jack the Second says:

    @satby: I used to say that people weren’t cartooonishly good and evil. The same guy can both be a drunk driver and contribute time and money to the local soup kitchen, or work to end the de facto slavery in our food and clothing supply chains while being a sexist asshole, or save lives as an EMT or firefighter while being kinda racist. People are masses of contradictions and mixes of good and evil traits, even if we like to think of them as perfect heroes or cartoonish villains.

    This last two years, man, there have been some cartoonishly evil people.

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    Raven says:

    @satby: retired

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning.

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    JPL says:

    Another boy has been rescued from the cave. The four that were rescued yesterday had Pad krapow according to the Guardian.

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    debbie says:

    @raven:

    Very nice!

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    delk says:

    she said through tears…

    Self inflicted public shaming.

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    Raven says:

    @Raven: and pissed

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    MomSense says:

    @raven:

    Very cool.

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    satby says:

    @Raven: as is everyone who understands that babies in the third world are often severely starved by a push for formula in an area where clean water access is unreliable and formula is very expensive, so poor families use less than required to make it last longer. It’s criminal, or should be, to encourage people to use formula under those conditions.

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    satby says:

    @JPL: reports of a sixth one out now, hope it’s true.

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    Quinerly says:

    @raven: 💚

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Jesus, Trump would cluck like a chicken if Putin told him to

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    SFAW says:

    Apparently, Daeshowitz has an op-ed in the No-longer-liberal-hell-not-even-centrist-anymore Boston Glob, talking about Teh Evul Libruls and how they JUST WON’T HAVE DIALOGUE. Or something like that. My sentiments about the Glob are almost, but not quite, on a par with schrodinger’s cat’s feelings — hell, my own feelings as well — towards the FTFNYT, so I refuse to give John Henry and his minions any clicks.

    Fuck the Red Sox. (Not because I hate the Sox — I don’t, even tho’ I’m a Mets fan — but because I’m pissed at Henry’s destruction of a formerly-great liberal newspaper.)

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    debbie says:

    @SFAW:

    Derschowitz has never had dialogue. He outtalks and talks over whoever he’s engaged. Like trying to talk to a guy in a bar who’s too preoccupied with his reflection in the mirror just over your shoulder.

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    debbie says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    That he’s made even infant nutrition controversial proves he must be gone ASAP.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Just One More Canuck: What do you think they do in their “private moments”? Ugh, that made an image pop into my head. I’m going in search of brain bleach.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Jack the Second:

    This last two years, man, there have been some cartoonishly evil people.

    There is a word for cartoonishly evil people: Republican.

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    TommoRolassi says:

    @JPL: Thats a shame, but not surprising — they were in there a long time. Did they say how long will it take them to recover from pad krapow?

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    JPL says:

    @satby: Guardian says it’s confirmed.

    @TommoRolassi: If that is true, it will take a while, because spicy food after weeks of not eating doesn’t seem to be advisable. lol

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    JPL says:

    @SFAW: Marty Baron is doing a good job at the Washington Post though.

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    rikyrah says:

    AM Joy w/Joy Reid (@amjoyshow) Tweeted:
    .@CHARLESPPIERCE: This particular fight has little or nothing to do with #Trumpism. This is a chance to enact a Republican wish-list that goes back before Ronald Reagan. This is an effort to finally reverse the gains of the Civil Rights Movement… #AMJoy https://t.co/GrS5lPom6b https://twitter.com/amjoyshow/status/1015972926380797952?s=17

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    JPL says:

    CNN saying three so far today, so that makes it 7.

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    satby says:

    @JPL: they are monitoring them for how they adjust to eating again, and though they asked for that meal I doubt they were given it, or at least more than a small amount. But they’re young and in good shape and also got provisions in the cave before they were extracted, so they’re on the mend.
    Now for the rest to come out… Probably won’t get anything done today.

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    Bruuuuce says:

    @SFAW: Dershowitz’ whining fits in with the whole GOP narrative about civility and courtesy. A friend pointed me to this absolutely shutdown post on the subject that is documented, footnoted, and linked from here to the end of time. It’s going to be my go-to link on the subject going forward:

    Oh, it’s courtesy you want?

    Now?

    It’s a bit late for that. Not only has the far right engaged in and valorized disrespectful political discourse for many years, it has of late openly called for political violence, to the roar of cheering crowds. It has also not just embraced Nazis, it has nominated them to represent its party. It has howled at imagined disrespect when a football player takes a knee, after having engaged in the better part of a decade’s worth of promoting false and odious claims about a president it loathed. If you wanted courtesy, the bridge at your back is still on fire, much of it still glowing white-hot.

    [I]t was never about ‘civility’, and it’s not now.

    Instead, you’re demanding consent, for behavior your critics don’t want to consent to. You’re demanding silence in the face of what others see as objectionable behavior. You want your agenda to see no pushback, no protest, no objections. Tacit endorsement. Validation.

    Well, you’re not going to get any of those things. What you’re getting, instead, is the same sort of behavior you’ve engaged in for the better part of a decade. You’re now going to reap the whirlwind. You’ve taught liberals that silence means consent, and you withheld yours (and your civility) for years. Welcome to the new normal, now that liberals have decided to stop turning the other cheek and to emulate your own behaviors.

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    rikyrah says:

    @raven:
    Looks strong. Not being cute, but it’s not gonna roll easily?

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    rikyrah says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    This is who these muthaphuckas 😠 are

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    Immanentize says:

    @raven:
    Sweet!

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    rikyrah says:

    @SFAW:
    He is a whiny azz punk 😠

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    Baud says:

    @Bruuuuce: Receipts.

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    The Ancient Randonneur says:

    @satby:

    Now if we could get US media to give the same level of coverage to children being held in concentration camps on our own soil. Maybe we need the Thai government to step in and help us rescue these children.

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    sixthdoctor says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: He’s quoting Dr. Evil, for God’s sake…

    “Trump, In First Meeting With Merkel: ‘You Owe Me One Trillion Dollars’”
    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-merkel-owe-me-one-trillion-dollars

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    JPL says:

    @satby: Since CNN is saying seven, I presume they are counting those still be treated in the cave. Now I’m concerned because why is it taking so long. It will be a morning of checking twitter and pacing.

    CBS This Morning, is covering the breast-feeding resolution. Of course, the US denied that threats were made against this issue. If not this issue, what issue then?

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    Immanentize says:

    @debbie: Ask Juan Cole about Dersh’d dialogue. Dersh had him blackballed at Yale — after they offered him a position! — for Cole’s view regarding Palestinians and Israel.

    Dersh don’t do dialogue.

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    Immanentize says:

    spicy food after weeks of not eating doesn’t seem to be advisable. lol

    The dish was called, “Crying on the Pot.”

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    Quinerly says:

    Good morning from Poco and his tribe. Does anyone else feel like the migrant children stories are getting crowded out of the news cycle? It may be the most disturbing thing that this administration has done (that we know about). It is so obvious that they had no plan in place for reunification. Did this many people over this many agencies/departments really think they could get by with this? Are they going to get by with this? The next news cycles are going to be Supreme Court nominee 24/7. I woke up incredibly sad this morning. I feel like we are losing.

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    @raven: I like the finish on it. Also, it seems to have cup holders. :-)

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    Baud says:

    @Quinerly: If our success depends on the news cycle, we are definitely losing.

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    Kay says:

    paul schwartzman
    ‏@paulschwartzman
    31m31 minutes ago
    More
    Gingrich, on how to deal with harassment of Trump advisors: “You file charges and you press them. We have no reason to tolerate barbarians trying to impose totalitarian behavior by sheer force, and we have every right to defend ourselves.”

    This pity party by the rich and powerful has become comical.

    A bartender was mean to Stephen Miller. Call out the National Guard.

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    JPL says:

    @Quinerly: Norah O’Donnell expressed fairly strongly about the situation on CBS This Morning. She was joined by Gayle King, so the story is still being covered. The idea that a judge has to ask a one year old if he/she understands the proceedings, is immoral.

    Eight rescued so far.

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    satby says:

    @JPL: Right, I think once they get them to the rescue base near the front of the cave they’re considered rescued. And there’s medical staff doing triage. But it takes a few hours round trip for the divers to go back and get others, even though they can walk part of it.

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    JPL says:

    @Immanentize: Dersh is the real pain in the butt. Imagine eating dinner with Alan while he is bloviating nonsensically.

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    Quinerly says:

    @The Ancient Randonneur: Thank you for this comment.

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    Bruuuuce says:

    @Kay: “File charges” is good advice — but against the folks who have been weaponizing the police, calling them on people Living While Black. Fraud and abuse of government resources should be the least of what gets filed.

    But, as usual, the RWNJs will take a strategy that has little basis, and use it in a way that makes it hard to implement for the folks who really have need of it. (Can we say “impeachment”? I thought we could. :-( )

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    JPL says:

    @satby: CNN is saying they are finished for the day. I was hoping for at least one more.

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    Kay says:

    @Quinerly:

    You’re not “losing” though. There will be wall to wall coverage of the SCOTUS nom and it will be overwhelmingly skewed towards Doom For Democrats, but Democrats are actually polling pretty well and Trump’s immigration policy is less popular than the day he took office.

    6 NYTimes reporters following Alan Dershowitz around does not a country make :)

    It really was SIX, btw. They donated 6 employees to sell Dershowitz’s crappy book. These book promotions will be the death of us. They’re all either writing or promoting some crap book that will be relevant or interesting for about 15 minutes.

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    Kay says:

    @Bruuuuce:

    They’ll have to find a crime. Bartenders being mean to people is not a crime.

    Stephen Miller is on the public payroll. We pay him. He works for us. We are absolutely allowed to express our displeasure with his performance. The low quality Trump hires seem to have forgotten they are public employees. It is not actually true that they work for Dear Leader. He doesn’t pay them. We do.

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    Immanentize says:

    @JPL: They had to create a special rule at Harvard law for Dersh — It was basically, “You have to come to work occassionly” rule to satisfy the ABA (AND other faculty).

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    Bruuuuce says:

    @Kay: I agree. Unfortunately, sleazeball lawyers (real ones, unlike the ones who work for Not Dear Leader) can usually find SOMETHING, even as trivial as harassment, in the behavior they want to punish. It helps, of course, to have buckets of cash, the way the big names among the right-wing grifters do.

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    hitchhiker says:

    @JPL:

    When I need a story of how good reporting can put an end to bad shit, I watch the movie Spotlight. Makes me hopeful to see the Marty Baron character patiently guide his staff toward their ultimate triumph.

    That happened.

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    satby says:

    @JPL: it was originally expected to be an 11 hour round trip to get each out. Even though they cut that way down it’s got to be gruelling for those divers. Tired divers can make fatal mistakes. Better safe than otherwise.

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    raven says:

    @rikyrah: It’s not going anywhere but, yes, I put the casters that came with it for now and it rolls pretty easily.. I’m looking for the old school casters like this but they are pricey.

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    NotMax says:

    Okay, all you frequent flier mileage collectors out there, a query. On the Maui to NY leg of the trip later this month, have a longer than would have preferred but not oppressively lengthy layover at PHX airport. Any suggestions on someplace(s) there to grab a beverage and perhaps a light nosh? Land there at 6 a.m. local time, so doubt that bars or a full range of choices will be open but ya never know.

    Switching gears, a chuckle. Watched an, in the end, mediocre short program about the ’64-’65 NY World’s Fair. Afterwards, leading the list generated by the AI of recommendations “More Like The 1964 World’s Fair” was The Boer War. Memory is not what it once was, however having attended that fair am entirely certain still would remember cavalry charges galloping and Gatling guns rat-tat-tatting, at least

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    JPL says:

    @satby: There are medical divers in the cave, so they should be able to guide the last one out. At least I hope so. Earlier I heard that they are not even sharing the names of the rescued with the relatives. They want to wait until all are rescued.

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    Kay says:

    @Bruuuuce:

    Agreed. It’s really stressful and expensive for ordinary people to defend against rich and powerful people, too, people like KellyAnne Conway and Stephen Miller and Newt Gingrich are much wealthier and more powerful than the bartenders who pay their salaries.

    It’s definitely risky, expressing disapproval of their work. The Trump Administration is so corrupt I’d worry that they’ll be targeted by federal law enforcement, like the protesters at his inaugeration were.

    There’s no oversight at all right now- the entire administration operates in the dark and what little we have seen exemplifies such low ethical and quality standards it’s safest to assume it’s systemic.

    People will have to decide if they want to risk political prosecutions for political speech. We knew they backed this concept- after all, that all cheered for “lock her up”.

    It’s amusing to me that all these elites who went to such fancy schools don’t see the power imbalance. They seem to be unaware that they are rich and powerful. They actually believe they are some kind of abused and protected class. But they are rich and powerful, and ordinary people can’t forget that or they won’t know what hit them when the Trump hires come after them.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @JPL:

    Now I’m concerned because why is it taking so long.

    It’s an 8-9 hr round trip for the divers, so minimum 4 one way, unencumbered. I suspect they are waiting to see that a boy has safely made it thru a sump before they proceed with the next boy. Last thing they need is a traffic jam underwater.

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    Bruuuuce says:

    @Kay: It’s not that they don’t know they’re the elite. It’s that they get huge mileage out of being the victims, and simultaneously out of slandering the folks they CALL elite. Those poor delicate buttercups.

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    TS (the original) says:

    @Schlemazel:

    SHortly after Russia came out in favor of the resolution the Dump administration changed its position to be in favor also

    Given the history of US/USSR/Russia relationships since I’ve been alive – this is weirder than weird. The Russians MUST have something on trump? the administration? the GOP
    All of them?

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    satby says:

    @JPL: I like the Guardian’s coverage on this, they’re careful to confirm reports before reporting as fact: https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/jul/09/thai-cave-rescue-resumes-to-free-eight-boys-and-coach-still-trapped-latest-news?page=with:block-5b43526de4b0174534148029#block-5b43526de4b0174534148029
    Sorry about the naked link, no html buttons on mobile site.
    The mobile site remains pretty borked.

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    Ken says:

    @JPL:

    Imagine eating dinner with Alan while he is bloviating nonsensically.

    I’m imagining he chokes, and it’s three minutes before anyone notices because they were all ignoring him. Does that make me a bad person?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @raven: Yeah, you gotta pay a pretty penny for them.

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    SFAW says:

    @JPL:

    Marty Baron is doing a good job at the Washington Post though.

    I miss him up here, but he’d be wasted at the Glob, with those RWAs running it.

    Fun “fact”: according to an unconfirmed Wikipedia entry, John Henry didn’t finish his PhD because he was playing with the rock band “Elysian Fields.” Which is interesting, because unless there are two bands of the same name, I’m a little familiar with them, and he would’ve been 45 when he “toured” with them. But I know one of the group’s founders, if I think about it, I’ll ask him, see if there’s any truth to it.

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    TS (the original) says:

    @satby:

    Being against breast feeding in obvious favor of corporations, so breathtaking in its stupidity

    35 years ago when I had my one and only babe – there was NO discussion in the hospital – the staff assumed I was going to breastfeed & anyone who argued about this got short shrift unless there was approval by their doctor. Apart from anything else, when funds are short, breast feeding is a massive money saver.

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    SFAW says:

    @TS (the original):

    The Russians MUST have something on trump? the administration? the GOP
    All of them?

    Por que no los todos?

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    SFAW says:

    @NotMax:

    Memory is not what it once was, however having attended that fair am entirely certain still would remember cavalry charges galloping and Gatling guns rat-tat-tatting, at least

    Well, I was at the NY World’s Fair, too. And I remember that clearly, so you must’ve been there on the worng day.

    Of course, I also remember the Mets winning the 23 World Series championships. And Rich Kotite’s Jets winning the Super Bowl.

    And Shitgibbon not being a complete fucking asshole. No, wait, I do NOT remember that.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    8 boys confirmed by the Guardian.

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    raven says:

    @TS (the original): When my wife retired last month there was a goodbye event where people came form all over Georgia and talked abut the difference she had made in that arena in the state.

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    TS (the original) says:

    @Quinerly:

    Does anyone else feel like the migrant children stories are getting crowded out of the news cycle?

    It is wonderful that the Thai boys are being rescued – but it would be more wonderful to see the same effort put into reuniting the migrant children with their parents. trump does so many ghastly things, each day brings something new to overtake what happened yesterday.

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    Quinerly says:

    Thanks for all the replies to my post of dispair. Gotta get on with my morning. Have a good day Juicers. Here’s a piece everyone should read: http://www.philly.com/philly/c.....?mobi=true

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    Peter X says:

    @Bruuuuce: You didn’t seem to include a link, but it looks like your “Oh, it’s courtesy you want?” quote is from here

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    Platonailedit says:

    BBC reports 4 more boys are out now. 4 more + coach left.

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    SFAW says:

    @Bruuuuce:

    Thanks for the link, interesting reading.

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    TS (the original) says:

    @raven: I had a couple of fabulous midwives – I had not a clue about childbirth, let alone feeding/caring for a babe. I can say without any denials – they taught me everything I needed to know for those first few months (also taught Mr TS how to bath babe & change nappies – that was worth all that it cost!)

    I can imagine how much your wife was appreciated in all that she did. Having babes & looking after them isn’t taught in schools and colleges. If we are lucky, we live near our Moms, I did not. We learn from those dedicated to the care of babes and their Mothers.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Quinerly:
    Morning to Poco and the tribe 😄 😺

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    MomSense says:

    @TS (the original):

    The midwife at the hospital showed me how to breastfeed lying on my side. Thank goodness for that or I wouldn’t have survived the first couple months of around the clock feedings.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Tony Jay: Good catch. We’re really supposed to believe that the NRA isn’t backing the students, right? Lol.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Platonailedit: Great to hear!! What an ordeal.

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    Platonailedit says:

    @Bruuuuce: Great piece of rebuttal to the fucking pearl clutching msm and the traitors party. Thanks.

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    Aleta says:

    michael safi @safimichael
    27m27 minutes ago

    Dinner at the media centre tonight has been served: khao pad kraprow, the meal the boys asked for in hospital this morning #

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    rikyrah says:

    @Quinerly:

    Does anyone else feel like the migrant children stories are getting crowded out of the news cycle? It may be the most disturbing thing that this administration has done (that we know about).

    I understand how you feel. But, it’s leading to a head. They are fast coming up against the judge’s deadlines, and I believe another shoe is about to drop in this human rights nightmare.

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    rikyrah says:

    This is an act of war. An innocent person is dead. HMG should shut all Russian diplomatic missions in the UK and purge dirty Russian money from the City ASAP — or more Britons will die.https://t.co/P83P90goS7

    — John Schindler (@20committee) July 8, 2018

    Wait. The trolls/far-right Putinists said no one dying from novichok was proof it was British false flag op?

    Oh right. They are bullshit; novichok is a deadly nerve agent that The Kremlin is littering around bc no one makes their behavior cost enough.

    https://t.co/jVIqlpBATU

    — Molly McKew (@MollyMcKew) July 8, 2018

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    hedgehog mobile says:

    @raven: Lovely!

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    Platonailedit says:

    Some twitterati

    NRA=National Russia Association

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    Bruuuuce says:

    SFAW, Platonalledit, Baud, rikyrah: De nada

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    Yarrow says:

    @NotMax: Suzanne lives in Phoenix. Maybe she has some suggestions for the airport.

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    Brachiator says:

    From the NY Post

    Mayor Bill de Blasio, his wife, Chirlane McCray, and their two kids spent a couple of days at Sen. Bernie Sanders’ summer home on Lake Champlain in Vermont.

    St Bernie has a summer home?

    https://nypost.com/2018/07/08/de-blasio-spends-weekend-at-bernie-sanders-summer-home/

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    Leto says:

    Because Trumpov is supposed to announce his SCOTUS nominee today:

    ‘Self-induced abortion’ searches on Google reflect a dark reality for many women

    “In 2017, 58 percent of American women of reproductive age lived in a state considered either hostile or extremely hostile to abortion rights,” said Megan K. Donovan, senior policy manager at the Guttmacher Institute, a Washington, D.C.-based reproductive rights research group. “It’s very confusing that we have a constitutional right to abortion but how you actually are able to access that health care that you do [have a right to] depends on your zip code.”

    Online searches about self-induced abortion began to rise sharply in 2011 when there was an upswing in state restrictions on legal abortion, data scientist Seth Stephens-Davidowitz, who has studied internet search trends on self-managed abortions, told “Good Morning America.” And the searches are most common in states with stringent restrictions.

    In 2015, the state with the highest rate of Google searches related to self-induced abortions was Mississippi, according to Stephens-Davidowitz. Mississippi still today has one abortion clinic statewide.

    “People tell Google things that they don’t tell other people,” said Stephens-Davidowitz. “Many people may not admit to other people they are looking into a self-induced abortion.”

    In one month-long period of 2017 there were more than 200,000 Google searches related to information on self-abortion, according to data from the Guttmacher Institute.

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    ruemara says:

    @Brachiator: Yep. And by bringing it up, you’re the reason we can’t unify (behind BERNIE).

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    Quinerly says:

    @Brachiator: It’s one of his 3 homes. He’s a man of the people, dotcha know?

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    Yarrow says:

    @Brachiator: Is that the lake house he bought after the 2016 election?

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    Quinerly says:

    @rikyrah: I think some of these children are dead. Hate to be so dark. There’s a cover up.

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    Raven says:

    I need help with transportation ideas. I’m flying into Boston/Logan on Friday at 3pm and need to go to Providence. Car rental prices are nuts.

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    Quinerly says:

    @ruemara: Fuck Bernie Sanders. (brightened my morning mood to say that)

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    Aleta says:

    @rikyrah: Thanks!!!

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Quinerly: I doubt very much they even have a mechanism for tracking them much less ascertaining their health status. Never underestimate their incompetence in the service of evil..

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    MomSense says:

    @Quinerly:

    That’s what has been keeping me up since this started.

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    Tony Jay says:

    @rikyrah:

    HMG should shut all Russian diplomatic missions in the UK and purge dirty Russian money from the City ASAP

    Quite right, but there’s a less than zero chance that the current Tory Government is going to do anything about all the shady Russian money sloshing around in The City of London, because all money is good money, and far too many people linked to the Tories (especially amongst the most Brexity of Brexiters) are sucking on that teat. They might toss a few more diplomats, like that means anything, but I doubt it. May is hosting Putin’s Poodle in a few weeks, the last thing she’s going to want to do during that shitshow is to offend Moscow while their boy is waddling around various private estates being fellated by Ministers and the wheels are coming off the wider Brexit Express.

    Of course Labour – has – tried numerous times to get a vote on purging London of oligarchs and their stolen billions, but you wouldn’t know that from any of the coverage. The BBC in particular is much more comfortable tittering along with Tory talking heads about Corbyn’s ‘pro-Russian sympathies’ to bother with reporting actual facts. That’s what comes from making lifelong fealty to the Conservative Party a pre-requisite for anyone holding the post of BBC Political Editor, purely coincidentally and not at all suspiciously, of course. It’s not like Broadcasting House is wired for Tories or anything. SMH

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    Yarrow says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: That’s what I think. They’re not hiding that some of the children have died. They’re hiding that they don’t have any idea where the children are and let alone what condition they’re in. They could be dead, alive, thriving, on the streets, sent to child traffickers, in nice foster homes or anywhere else. They simply do not know. That’s what they’re hiding. It’s a human rights disaster. These people are monsters.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @rikyrah: nice, but nothing will top 1972!

    @raven: impressive! Better than my idea of a bonfire when you asking.

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    Platonailedit says:

    All ten top women are out of Wimbledon. And the fucks hemmed hawed over seeding Serena who is still out there.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Tony Jay:
    They’ve refused Roman Abramovich a visa, so now he must fund Chelsea from abroad. That’s a start.

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    Yarrow says:

    @raven: Very nice. What are the metal things near the corners?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Yarrow: They don’t know because it doesn’t matter to them.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Raven: It’s not Providence but I took a bus from Boston Logan to Cape Cod. It was really easy to do and apparently how the locals do it. Google Maps tells me it’s actually longer to Cape Cod than to Providence, and a quick google search says there are a lot of buses that go from Boston Logan to Providence, so a bus may be a good option for you. Given that it’s Friday at 3:00 p.m. you should probably book ahead.

    If you decide you want a car, if you have a Costco membership be sure to look at rental cars through Costco. They can be quite a bit cheaper.

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    rikyrah says:

    @TS (the original):

    Given the history of US/USSR/Russia relationships since I’ve been alive – this is weirder than weird. The Russians MUST have something on trump? the administration? the GOP
    All of them?

    Yep.
    Because, it’s the ONLY thing that explains what’s going on.

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    Brachiator says:

    So, UK foreign secretary and piece of shit Boris Johnson has resigned. This is turning into an interesting week for Theresa May.

    And Trump is coming.

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    Louise B. says:

    @Raven: if you can find an affordable way to get into downtown, the train is very reasonably priced.

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    Platonailedit says:

    Boris, the brexit asshole, quits. Good riddance.

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    Yarrow says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Exactly. They don’t care about the kids or the parents. They only care now because they’ve been found out and are being held to account for the kids. They’re worried about themselves.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @JPL: unrelated: do you know a local carpenter who could replace some window sills for me? Preferably union, of course!

    I tried Ozark Hillbilly but his references were *terrible*

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    Tony Jay says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    That only because the new Chairman of the Visa Committee is a Gooner.*

    *I have no idea if this is true.

    Boris Johnson has jumped ship? Only a day or so after declaring that he was going to stay on and argle-bargle? The leadership contest is on, then.

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    Yarrow says:

    @rikyrah:

    Because, it’s the ONLY thing that explains what’s going on.

    Exactly.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Steve in the ATL: No, my references are good, kind and caring people, it’s me that’s terrible.

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    SFAW says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    No, my references are good, kind and caring people, it’s me that’s terrible.

    Well, if it makes you feel any better, I hear you’re a good carpenter, but a terrible person.

    Or so Eric Greitens tells me.

    ETA: Or is that what you meant? I assumed you were talking about your “carpentry,” since that’s what Steve in the Lower 48 More or Less referred to.

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    The Ancient Randonneur says:

    @Raven:

    From Logan take the Silver Line bus going TO South Station. At South Station take commuter rail to Providence. Drops you off right in downtown. Go to mbta.com and look at schedules and fares.

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    SFAW says:

    @The Ancient Randonneur: @Raven:

    From Logan take the Silver Line bus going TO South Station. At South Station take commuter rail to Providence. Drops you off right in downtown. Go to mbta.com and look at schedules and fares.

    Probably too late to make a change and fly into TF Green directly?

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    The Ancient Randonneur says:

    @The Ancient Randonneur:

    I can’t remember if all inbound Silver Line buses go to South Station but signage is pretty good. They stop at every terminal so simple enough to find them.

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    raven says:

    @SFAW: It’s even more ridiculous in terms of $$.

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    raven says:

    @The Ancient Randonneur: Cool, I assume Friday at 3pm is NOT a great time to do this? On the other hand I’m in ho hurry.

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    MomSense says:

    @The Ancient Randonneur:

    I actually think there is a bus that goes from Logan right to Providence.

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    MomSense says:

    @raven:

    Peter Pan Bus lines has fares from $23 that go from Logan to downtown Providence. I would do that instead of going from Logan to So. Station to Providence.

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    raven says:

    @MomSense: OOOO, i’ll check that out!

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    The Ancient Randonneur says:

    @MomSense:

    Excellent suggestion. I was stuck in commuter rail mode as it’s the only way, other than driving, that I’ve gone from Boston to Providence.

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    raven says:

    @MomSense: Whew, not the greatest reviews!

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    raven says:

    @The Ancient Randonneur: The hotel I’m going to is pretty close to Green and I think the train may be a better choice for that.

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    MomSense says:

    @raven:

    I bet trail ways, concord and greyhound are all cheaper and easier than commuter rail to train. I usually take concord to Portland from Logan and it’s a lot cheaper and easier. Taking the bus to Logan is also easier since they drop you off at your airline.

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    raven says:

    @MomSense: AH so Peter Pan isn’t the only option? Back to the search!

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    raven says:

    I could take my sweet time and catch a grey dog from South Station at 6pm.

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    Penn says:

    So the US actions on breastfeeding are evil and make Russia look good? That can’t be a coincidence.

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    pluky says:

    @Raven: Commuter rail goes to Providence. Station is near the State House and Brown University.
    https://www.mbta.com/schedules/CR-Providence/timetable?direction_id=0#direction-filter
    Silver Line Trolley runs between Logan and South Station.

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    SectionH says:

    @NotMax: Two recs from a Flyertalker. Posting late this, will try to remember to repost tonight. (You could also search for more PHX info in the forum this post is in: FlyerTalk Forums > Destinations > America – USA > West)

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    NotMax says:

    @SectionH

    Thank you.

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