Floriduh! Woman and Man: All That Glitter is not Gold Edition

Miami Herald take it away (emphasis mine)!

Miami-Dade police is on the hook for legal bills after cops illegally seized a cache of guns — and nearly $20,000 in stripper cash.

The department has agreed to pay more than $3,000 to defense lawyers hired by Ras Cates, 33, and his wife, Lizmixell Batista, a 20-year-old stripper at Cheetah Gentleman’s Club in Hallandale Beach.

Presumably, the legal bills won’t be paid in singles.

Back on May 15, an officer pulled over Cates and Batista, his passenger, when their car cut off a patrol car in Miami’s West Little River neighborhood. From the car, patrol officers seized six guns, three of them assault-style rifles, plus the cash, suspected marijuana oil and several bottles of powerful codeine cough syrup without a valid prescription.

Miami-Dade police touted the arrest to a local TV station, showing off photos of the guns. “It’s amazing how something as simple as a traffic stop can lead us to crack a lot of cases,” a police spokesman told WFOR-CBS4. “A lot of serial killers are behind bars because of traffic stops.”

The couple was charged with armed drug dealing, among other felony charges. But defense lawyers immediately challenged the arrest.

“What is most disturbing is that immediately following the arrest, the department went on TV and engaged in incendiary speculation without knowing the facts or even acknowledging the rampant violations of my clients’ constitutional rights,” said defense attorney Jude Faccidomo.

Faced with defense evidence, prosecutors moved quickly to dismiss the case.

Cates told cops he legally owned the weapons, and also had a valid concealed-weapons permit. His story checked out. And body-camera footage showed that an officer, while friendly with Cates, never got permission to search the trunk but instead “commanded defendant to pop the trunk,” prosecutors wrote.

“Search of the trunk was illegal,” prosecutor Johnathan Nobile said in a memo explaining why the state declined to press charges.

Who possessed the drugs or possibly illegal codeine syrup was never clear either, prosecutors said. Neither Cates nor Batista admitted who owned the marijuana. And whether the syrup was actually codeine was also unclear — Miami-Dade police never took the liquid to the forensics lab for testing.

Lawyers for Cates are still trying to get the guns back.

As for the money, the bills were discovered in Batista’s purse. Body-camera footage obtained by the Miami Herald showed she immediately told cops about her cash-only job. “I was supposed to go the bank to deposit the money. We got bills to pay, sweetie,” she told police.

The Miami-Dade police department’s legal bureau, suspecting it was dope money, asked a civil-court judge to allow the department to keep the $19,934 seized in the car. The department said a Miami-Dade police dog, Roxie, alerted that the cash had been “in close proximity” to large amounts of narcotics.

But at the hearing, a fellow stripper named Haley Heath testified that her friend, Batista, earned “significant cash tips” at the Cheetah club.

“I felt that the glitter on the seized cash was compelling evidence, but apparently the police department disagreed,” said defense lawyer Faccidomo.

Miami-Dade Circuit Judge Rodney Smith agreed there was no probable cause for the seizure and ordered the money returning to the couple.

This is my favorite part:

“I felt that the glitter on the seized cash was compelling evidence, but apparently the police department disagreed,” said defense lawyer Faccidomo.

Ya think?

Stay supple!

Open thread.


110 replies
  1. 1
    efgoldman says:

    No wonder Florida is run as well as it is

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @efgoldman: Bienvenido a Miami!

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    lamh36 says:

    This has been a subdued summer movie season for me.

    I haven’t gone ANY of the films released since the summer movie season began.

    No real reason, just life changes, a bunch of family babies being born, Australia…and and GRE prep, which I’m no longer even sure if I want to go to graduate school anymore (don’t even ask.

    But I’m thinking the FIRST summer “blockbuster” I will be seeing is the newest installment of Mission Impossible.

    I just can’t help it, I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE seeing Tom Cruise getting his azz kicked, and from what I’m hearing and seeing…none other than Superman himself, is kicking some Cruise azz…so I will be there!

    Also too, the director is the same as the director for Rogue Nation (one of my fav of the newest installments) and the first time Cruise allowed the same director to direct a MI sequel.

    Oh…and of course Tom Cruise CRAZY SCIENTOLOGY AZZ doing his own crazy AF stunts…like ACTUALLY DOING A HALO JUMP stunt HIMSELF!!!

    Mission: Impossible – Fallout (2018) – HALO Jump Stunt Behind The Scenes… https://youtu.be/2BnOebsDtAQ via @YouTube

    Tom Cruise is OUT OF HIS FUQ’N MIND (aside from the freaky Scientology stuff, his co-stars seem to like him, but still)…CRAZY AF

    ETA: The cray makes for great stunt work without a double…and no CGI “stunt” work.

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    RSA says:

    Michael Harriott has a good take on the story. Excerpt, after observing that it’s rude to call a dancer in various stages of undress a “stripper”:

    Cates explained to the officers that he had gone to pick up his wife after a particularly good night working as a rhythmic clothes removal professional. The video also captured Batista saying that she planned to deposit the money in the bank because she had a cash-only job as a twerk technician.

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    efgoldman says:


    working as a rhythmic clothes removal professional.

    she had a cash-only job as a twerk technician.

    I don’t think I’ve ever heard those job descriptions.

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    Major Major Major Major says:

    There’s been this one strange ad at the Caltrain station for a while. I finally put up a picture of it. Curious what was going on in the room when they OK’d it. https://twitter.com/tynanpants/status/1016334568125677568?s=21

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    Platonailedit says:

    From the car, patrol officers seized six guns, three of them assault-style rifles. Cates told cops he legally owned the weapons, and also had a valid concealed-weapons permit. His story checked out.

    Now, that’s the nutty crazy floriduh angle that needs to be bolded, Adam.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @RSA: I like to go with apparel removal engineer.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Platonailedit: Dude in Florida that’s barely Tuesday.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @lamh36: 78th level Thetans don’t need CGI. So sayeth the Hubbard!//

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @lamh36: Jumping out of perfectly good airplanes is fun AF.

    @Adam L Silverman: Ecdysiast.

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    Platonailedit says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Malice in funderworld?

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    opiejeanne says:

    @RSA: I used to costume exotic dancers. They did not like to be called strippers at all (we’re not hos). The men were much more daring with their g-strings than the women, who wanted fairly plain costumes in neon colors that were easy to take off, like a raincoat over tear-away shorts over a string bikini. It all had to match. The guys let me put fringe and rhinestones and sequins on theirs, the girls told me “no”, and made about a tenth of what the guys made in a night.
    This was in Oakland, CA, not long before Jerry Brown became mayor of that city and shut down the strip clubs.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Platonailedit: I’m not following.

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    BlueDWarrior says:

    At least some things in this world are true no matter what is going on: lots of crazy people in Florida in all social strata, and Tom Cruise being the King of Functional Insanity despite being a continent away from said state.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I learned that word in HS English. One of my favorite teachers. Also, the difference between osculation and oscillation.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I am not a comics nerd.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @efgoldman: Nor I. But they’re both good for a chuckle.

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    Platonailedit says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Alice in …. Never mind.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @efgoldman: Foxy Lady is just down the road.

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    Platonailedit says:

    You know what would probably help is another white guy.

    — God (@TheTweetOfGod) July 10, 2018

    Can’t have enough of them.

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    lamh36 says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    @Adam L Silverman: CRAZY AF…but like I said…damned if it don’t make for great stuntwork.

    Also too…he actually broke his ankle in this film…but NOT doing the CRAY CRAY stunt…he broke his ankle jumping from one building to another…

    A simple stunt in the pantheon of stunts he’s performed for the MI films…I mean…he learned to fly a damn helicopter for this film so he could so he could do his own fuqn’ barrell roll stunt maneuvers for this film…there YouTube BTS video of that…

    And he breaks his ankle…jumping from another building!

    FUQ’N Crazy

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    efgoldman says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Foxy Lady is just down the road.

    Never been

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @Major Major Major Major: *grin* Those are all over the MUNI/BART stations, too, yes? I kinda like ’em.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @lamh36: I can’t stand him. I don’t watch his movies. I’ll take your word for it.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @lamh36: Try it, you’ll like it. No, seriously, if it strikes you as insane, stay away. If it piques your interest at all, do it; you won’t regret it.

    @efgoldman: I have heard that kind of thing before.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    God, it depresses me that this traitor has gotten to name two Supreme Court justices.

    I hate BernieComeySarandonNYTPUTIN

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    NotMax says:

    “I told you to bring a load of dollars to the strip club, dummy. What’s with the sack?

    “It’s full of Susan B. Anthonys and Sacagaweas.”

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    lamh36 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:Oh…don’t get me wrong…I watch the MI films…otherwise…I’m no fan of his actually. Fact the only non-MI film of his I’ve ever seen was Edge of Tomorrow, and that’s cause I like Emily Blunt…and I’m pretty sure I saw a free screening…but don’t quote me on that.

    Plus, I like the later MI film more than I do the first 3/4?

    Otherwise…I am NOT a fan of his brand of off-screen CRAY!

    First and foremost, I’m an action fan, especially a good old fashion non-CGI stunt heavy action flick…esp in the sea of CGI stunts of late

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @zhena gogolia: Don’t go down that path. In other news, the Rock has been returned to LU. It was gone the entire time I was there but came back and disappeared again. Back now.

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    Major Major Major Major says:

    @Chetan Murthy: at least they’re better than the key duplication ads slathered all over the Church Street station.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I forgot about what that was. Sounds like a frat thang.

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    NotMax says:


    Never saw Risky Business?

    @Adam L. Silverman

    Don’t make me link to that T-shirt I mentioned in an e-mail, young man.


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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @zhena gogolia: Oddly, as I understand it, it was done by dorms. We had other priorities of which I shall not speak.

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    Tom Q says:

    So, the weirdest coincidence today. I went to a memorial service in midtown Manhattan, and afterward was walking across 38th Street toward 9th Avenue (before heading uptown). I see a sign, Tir Na Nog — the Irish pub proposed for the NY meet-up later this month. I’ve lived in Manhattan since 1977, and I’ve never seen/heard of the place before — but, 24 hours after it’s put forward, I run smack into it.

    Except, oddity part two: it’s NOT actually the place proposed; that one’s 7 blocks south and one street further east. This is another version of the same franchise, strangely nearby. (In fact, you can argue which one is more convenient to Penn Station — they’re close to equidistant.)

    I’m always weirded out by synchronicity like that.

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    Jay says:

    There’s a huge illegal market in Floriduh for illegal glitter that caters to all the Closeted Rethug Glitter Sniffers.

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    Old Dan and Little Anne says:

    Sometimes ya just got to say, what the fuck.

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    Yarrow says:

    @NotMax: Oh, I love “Risky Business.” He’s so good in it. And so young and not yet crazy, or at least not obviously so.

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    Dan B says:

    @opiejeanne: Must be adding to the culture of Woodinville / Duvall region. The creeks in town are very osculatory, methinks.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Yarrow: After I sank my old Saab, my brother waited until I got the replacement and then called me and asked ” Who is the U-boat commander?”

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    NotMax says:

    Half paying attention to an (ancient) British TV series, Sapphire & Steel, running in the background (Amazon Prime). Chose it more as a curiosity piece than anything else; made on a tiny budget from the looks of it. In one scene, a door is mysteriously locked and someone tries tugging hard on the knob – it’s very quick but you can see the entire ‘concrete’ wall shake.

    Shambling mish-mosh of a thing which never quite gels. Yet it ran for three seasons. David McCallum is limited to two expressions: stern and dour. It’s left to Joanna Lumley* to provide a modicum of acting and emoting.

    *pre-Ab Fab. Way pre-Ab Fab

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    smike says:

    @Jay: And it is so much fun to watch those assholes sneeze. “Look, Honey. Sparkles!”

    And that cop sure ‘cracked a case’ with that stop. I believe it was the notorious Pulled-in-front-of-a-cop-while-black case.

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    TriassicSands says:

    There’s nothing like some top-notch police work.
    Ms. Batista had better hope the case never makes it to the McConnell court.

    The dog indicated that the money had been in close proximity to cocaine. Of course, that could never happen in a strip club.

    Powerful codeine cough syrup? As someone who can’t take OTC cough medicine, I’ve had a variety of codeine syrups. None of them are what I’d call “powerful.” I guess everything today is “powerful” if it’s an opioid. I had a friend who used to make a monthly trip from Colorado to Wyoming to buy cough syrup. He had to drink an entire bottle with alcohol in order to get the buzz he was looking for.

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    Steeplejack says:

    In purely personal news, I successfully revived my cell phone, which took a two-second toilet dive last Thursday. Removed it from the rice therapy container this morning; it wouldn’t turn on. Plugged it into a charger cable, got a screen saying the battery was at 0%. Getting any kind of screen was a good sign, at least. I left it plugged in all day, and when I came home late in the afternoon it was fully charged. I booted it up, which took much longer than usual—it wanted to reverify 70 or 80 apps and then it went into a crazy pinball-machine barrage of tones as it individually alerted me to the scores of e-mails, texts and “briefings” I had missed. But once all that was over it has been working fine.

    First order of business tomorrow morning is to copy all the photographs on the phone to my computer and see if there is anything else I need to back up. I suppose it would be useful to back up or sync my contact list, but I don’t remember what software I used before, if I ever even did that.

    The other outcome is that over the weekend I did a little window-shopping for a new phone, and now I have a mild case of consumer lust. I didn’t have any complaints about the current phone, a first-gen Moto X, which still works fine, but it’s 4½ years old and now the idea of a new phone has been planted.

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    Mike J says:

    Reminds me of a case a friend of mine had. Loon goes to the CIA main gate because he wants to go in and ask them about conspiracy theories. Guard asks if he has any weapons. “Sure, in the trunk.”

    Predictable things happen.

    My friend gets the guy off. No intent to break the law, all weapons are legal, he never hid it.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Ha. How did you sink your car?

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    rikyrah says:

    He is committed.
    And, I will be going to the movie😄😄

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    lamh36 says:

    Good night BJ.

    I’ll leave ya with this twitter thread of truth, IMHO!


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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Yarrow: Let’s not revisit that, okay?

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    Yarrow says:

    @Steeplejack: That’s good news!

    @Omnes Omnibus: That bad, huh?

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    Platonailedit says:


    You don’t no steenking software to back up your contacts/photos/porn etc. any more. Just sign up for playstore with your gmail (which you probably did given the shitload of apps you got) and now all andriod phones come with back-up your phone option inbuilt.

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    Major Major Major Major says:

    @hellslittlestangel: ah, Hokusai.

    @Steeplejack: whaddya know, it worked!

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    TriassicSands says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    God, it depresses me that this traitor has gotten to name two Supreme Court justices.

    If that depresses you, make sure you have a good Suicide Hotline on speed dial — he could get two more. I would expect RBG to hang on until she dies on the bench or a Democrat is president. But Breyer’s old too. imagine both abhor the idea of being replaced by a Trump nominee, but that’s one of the risks justices take when they allow their replacements to be a matter of chance. I’m not saying that is wrong, and for many, many years staying on the Court to try to ensure who appointed your replacement was probably not even a consideration. Now, with the radicalization of the Court and GOP, it matters. I imagine RBG figured HRC would be choosing her replacement — doubly desirable with HRC being a Democrat and a woman. Sadly, Putin, Comey, the MSM, and millions of American idiots had other ideas.

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Oh god. They’re everywhere. Everywhere. And yeah, at least the tentacle ones are both funny and for a good cause.

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    Platonailedit says:

    Parents of 1st 4 boys to be evacuated from #Thamluangcave have now been allowed to see them, through glass. Health of all 8 fine, after low body temp, pulse in some – now normal. Eating unspicy food, sitting up, alert – Perm. Sec Health Ministry

    — Jonathan Head (@pakhead) July 10, 2018

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Yarrow: I asked you. I got a better car(60th Anniversary model with all sorts of cool shit – if you love Saabs) out of it. But I did do a dumb: I drove into water of unknown depth. Inge died, but I found Ingrid.

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    Major Major Major Major says:

    @Chetan Murthy: they make machines that duplicate keys! How can they have so much money for ads?!

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    NotMax says:

    @Omnes Omnibus

    Not what is usually meant by car pool.


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    Platonailedit says:

    And now fucking elon musk is showboating from inside the cave. Go away asshole. You are not helping in anyway by ‘being personally there’ and ‘broadcasting it’.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @NotMax: Don’t you start. I loved that car. The fact that I found an even better Saab was pure providence.

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    Jager says:


    During a consulting trip to Minneapolis back in the 80’s my client took me to a strip club where they only allowed tips in Susie B’s. The dancers hated it, at least that’s what they said.

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    Mary G says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I don’t know if you’re still around, but I’m catching up on tonight’s threads and wanted to recommend Robert Jackson Bennett’s Divine City trilogy if you haven’t read it yet. More fantasy than sci-fi, but no elves. The first one is City of Stairs, and there is a Google books preview of the first pages, but I can’t seem to link it right:

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    Yarrow says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Oh, that’s dangerous. Sorry you lost Inge but at least you’re okay. Driving into water of any depth is so dangerous. Even if you think you know how deep it is you can be wrong. Sensitive subject for me as I know people who have died that way. Recently. Sorry to have brought it up.

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    NotMax says:


    A gimmick? Cannot resist linking.


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    Millard Filmore says:


    I successfully revived my cell phone, which took a two-second toilet dive last Thursday.

    The issue in cases like this is not getting the device wet, it is turning it on while wet. I was told that the electronics division of a company I worked for would prepare for a periodic recertification by disassembling a piece of equipment, taking it out to the parking lot and hosing it down. Then putting all the parts in a low temperature oven (125F ??? 150F ???) for a few hours to dry it out, after which it is all put back together.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Yarrow: It is okay. I own the dumb. I also got a newer version of the same car. But better sound system, bigger wheels and a sport suspension, and a six speed manual. Other minor things too.

    Golly, the suspension and the manual? Fun city.

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    gene108 says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    I am now mad at Bill Clinton. His chat with Lynch caused her to refuse herself from being in charge and thus Comey took over.

    No tarmac meeting, Lynch would make sure the investigation would go by the book, with none of Comey’s grandstanding

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    Mike in NC says:

    We really enjoyed visiting Saint Augustine last month and would easily consider living there. Nothing like the crazy sprawl of Orlando. We drove an hour to Jacksonville Airport but got confused by the lack of signs of where to return rental cars. Turned out you had to go to the main parking terminal. But we got processed very quickly and made our connections and got home on time. Hope to go back there in cooler weather with no tropical depressions pouring rain on us. Seems like a great town to see on foot.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @gene108: Wrong. You are blaming the victim.

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    patrick II says:


    There were times during both of Hillary’s runs for president that I got the feeling that there was a part of Bill that didn’t really want her to win.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Yeah, it’s one of those things you always hear about and think, “Yeah, right.” But, hey, it really did work. The only dicey moment was that there was one rice kernel sort of stuck part way into the mini-USB port, and it was a real old-movie “handling nitroglycerin” moment to get it out without pushing it all the way in.

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    gene108 says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Bullshit. Bill wasn’t the victim. He instigated the tarmac chat.

    @patrick II:

    I think he wanted her to win. I just think he doesn’t know how to stay in the background

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @patrick II: I always got a different feeling. He wanted her to win but he didn’t always know how to help.

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    eclare says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I once sat next to an airborne soldier from Fort Bragg on a flight out of Fayetteville. I told him I didn’t see why people jumped out of perfectly good airplanes. He just grinned and said with a drawl, “Ma’am, there is no such thing as a perfectly good airplane.”

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    Jager says:


    When I was single in my early 40’s I met a gorgeous, sweetheart of a woman who was a stripper, I fixed the chain on her bike one morning riding on the Charles River bike paths, we went out a couple of times and she finally told me what she did for a living. She had a rule, “you can never come to the club and see me dance”. I didn’t, but in a weak moment, I told a friend she was a dancer. The bastard went to the club in Providence. She had met him at dinner one night, recognized him.I never spoke to her again.

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    NotMax says:


    For future reference, can try the trick used to dislodge a balky SD card.

    Take a short length of Scotch tape, fold it back on itself (several times if necessary), with the sticky side out, then insert it gently and it should grab on to the rice just enough to be able to tease it out..

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @gene108: HRC was the victim.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Millard Filmore:

    Yeah, at least I did not make the mistake of turning it on to “see if it was okay.” Knew immediately that I was screwed and that reanimation protocol was required.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @eclare: It is fun. Don’t let people say anything else.

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    Steeplejack says:


    Does it seem like Bill Clinton’s “legacy” has been rapidly shrinking the last 10 years or so?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steeplejack: And why would you say that is?

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    NotMax says:

    @Omnes Omnibus

    Not no way, not no how. Not even if it came with an ironclad, fully insured guarantee of my winning the next six Powerball lotteries.

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @Steeplejack: It does seem so, eh? To give Bill credit, he was the boy with his finger in the dike. He tried to hold back the tide of GrOPers, and somewhat succeeded. But Obama actually pushed it back (a bit). And that’s gotta overshadow Bill’s holding-the-line. in the popular mind. At least, that’s my impression.

    And then there’s the fact that Barack, Michelle, and their children, are the closest we have to royalty in this country at this point: objects of admiration and emulation — heck, of adulation and love. And the Clintons, well, they were never that. They did admirable things, sure. But B&M are, well, they’re literally admirable persons.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    It seems hard to remember now what his accomplishments were. Maybe it’s just me. Feel free to refresh my memory.

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    eclare says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I know people who have jumped and enjoyed it, but I also know myself enough to know that I would not find it fun. And I would probably ruin it for everyone else by vomiting/hyperventilating in the plane, so better for me to stay on terra firma.

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    eclare says:

    @Steeplejack: FMLA…RBG….budget surplus

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Chetan Murthy: I’ve always been ambivalent about him, and he’s definitely lost his fastball in the last few years. One of the things I was waiting for in ’16 was the big speech explaining/defending the foundation.

    There was a piece on “Clinton world’ in one of the glossy magazines a few years back, I think after HRC left State and was gearing up for ’16. It said that Bill resented that he wasn’t shown the deference by the party he felt he ws entitled to. I found that plausible. He used to go on Letterman once a year when the CGI had their big confab in NYC, and he always came across to me as humorless and self-important, trying too hard to play the elder statesman. I got the same vibe when he was peddling his book a few weeks ago and got caught short when they started asking him about the me too movement. It never occurred to him the subject would come up, and he clearly resented it

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    Steeplejack says:


    Good points.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steeplejack: He played a lot of defense. He tried for gays in the military and got DADT which was a step forward. And so on.

    I think you were politically aware during the ’90s. I will leave it to you.

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    Mary G says:

    @eclare: HIPPAA was huge for me and an important precursor to the ADA because it got the foot in the door to require coverage no matter the preexisting conditions. It was horrible coverage at outrageous prices, but it was coverage you couldn’t get before.

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    Mary G says:

    @Mary G: Ugh, AutoCorrect fail. Precursor of the ACA, not ADA.

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    guachi says:

    @NotMax: My wife likes Sapphire and Steel enough she got the entire series on DVD. The intro is ridiculous and the series doesn’t rise above really low budget. It’s fun in a goofy way. There’s little set up for the stories. Not much of a backstory. It’s like an even cheaper Doctor Who.

    Still and all… TWO THUMBS UP!!!!

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Those accomplishments, while real, have shrunk somewhat in comparison to what Obama accomplished against worse opposition and obstruction.

    And maybe Clinton’s post-presidential career has clouded things a little. There was always some­thing a little wrong-footed (or ambivalent) about his support for Hillary’s candidacy, and, as Jim, Foolish Literalist, noted above, he still sort of gives off a vibe of want­ing/​expect­ing to be the most important guy in the room. That goes to the tarmac meeting with Lynch, I think. Special circum­stances for a special man.

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    Suzanne says:

    @lamh36: I love the Mission: Impossible movies. I love spy/thriller/mystery/whodunit stories.

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    PJ says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: The only thing Bill Clinton ever really fought for was Bill Clinton. He wasn’t as bad as his predecessor or as awful as his successor, but “not a fuck up, not quite a Republican” is not a good report. There was so much at stake in the 90s, and Clinton was never going to stick his neck out for anything or anyone, even if it would personally cost him nothing.

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    Platonailedit says:

    The next diving team has gone in, per bbc.

    Q to cave divers here.

    Can’t they just open up the gap here more with hydraulic jack hammers for an easier rescue?

    Also. too.

    Musk’s offer ‘not practical’ for this mission.

    The head of the rescue mission, Narongsak Osotthanakorn, has been asked whether he can make use of Elon Musk’s offer to help.

    He says he acknowledges the help of Musk and his team, but that “the equipment they brought to help us is not practical with our mission”.

    “Even though their equipment is technologically sophisticated, it doesn’t fit with our mission to go in the cave.”

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    Chetan Murthy says:


    Can’t they just open up the gap here more with hydraulic jack hammers for an easier rescue?

    Not a diver, not a spelunker, but: there’s only one way to where these kids are sheltering, right? So you can’t do anything aggressive to the path — if you break it, they’re *dead*. If there were even an air shaft from the surface, maybe that’d change things.

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    Amir Khalid says:


    Can’t they just open up the gap here more with hydraulic jack hammers for an easier rescue?

    I dunno. Fear of causing a rockfall that completely blocks the evacuation route?
    Also, a BBC diagram says one narrow passage is only 40cm (16in) across. There is no way Elon’s micro-submersible is that micro

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    NotMax says:

    @Amir Khalid

    Imagining business class on every plane from L.A. to Bangkok is booked solid, crammed with agents and studio reps lugging attache cases stuffed with contracts.

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    Suzanne says:

    @Amir Khalid: Yeah, it is not.

    There is much to admire about Elon Musk, but dude is not a good actualizer. Stick to yr strengths, dood.

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    J R in WV says:

    I have seen brief footage of guys working with hammerdrills to remove big chunks of rock to make it easier to walk in areas where you aren’t diving. I have read that the divers worked to expand the passages they swim through.

    But that’s minor route improvement that the divers felt safe with. Major work would take too much equipment and way too much time. They are moving on the last set of rescues right now. If it doesn’t rain a shitload in the next 12 hours they will have succeeded at an impossible task!!!

    Because to rescue those kids/coach by cave diving them out of there was impossible!!!! Ask any caver, ask any diver. That was an impossible task, and they’ve already got it 60% successfully completed!

    Slow patient heroism by the Navy divers on the project!

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    NotMax says:

    @J R in WV

    Chi va piano va sano e va lontano.

    A favorite saying since forever.

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @efgoldman: They’re like strippers, but the compensation is better.

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    Aardvark Cheeselog says:

    Gotta say yay for the dope-and-gun-having rhythmic clothing removal pro and her consort on this one. Seizures like this are so fucking prone to abuse that they should just never happen. Also kudos for the defense for getting the search thrown out.

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    Gregg Harper says:

    One question: What the hell is stripper cash? Is it like special money that can only be spent on strippers.

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