Late Night Open Thread: Fare Thee Well, #Second Civil War… UNTIL…

And we all had such hopes!

There seem to have been multiple competing hashtags. Since I try to stay out of the fever swamps, Rick Wilson and his fellow NeverTrumpers have the nastier takes I’ve seen…

(Note: Don’t miss the kicker at the very end of this string!)


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    Mnemosyne says:

    I am so fucking sick of the whole “Nazis were socialists because it’s in their name, libtards!” I guess these people think that North Korea is really a democracy — after all, its official name is the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, so it MUST be a democracy. After all, it says so right in the name!

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    @Mnemosyne: …or there’s the German Democratic Republic(DDR, aka East Germany).

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    Duane says:

    How about Democrats are the real rascists because… Robert Byrd and something else. See? Hey put that US history book down. Fake history!

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    NotMax says:


    Not to mention the green in Greenland or the great in Great Britain.


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    NotMax says:

    9 p.m. and only a couple of dozen desultory and widely spaced booms way. way off in the distance. No firecracker sounds, none of those especially noisy and noisome 100,000 cracker coils. Never heard it so quiet on July 4, including years when it was raining. Local fire department must be in seventh heaven.

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    @NotMax: Great Britain is the larger of the two British Isles.

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    @NotMax: They’re still going off here, but in the distance. I’m keeping the door closed to muffle the sound, though I need to open it soon since it’s going to be hot later today.

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    NotMax says:


    Don’t harsh the snark!


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    Bess says:

    Is there anything of interest to see on Lesser Britain?

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    @NotMax: The explosions have thrown off my snark detector.

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    NotMax says:


    Stay frosty.


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    NotMax says:

    Intermittently watching a German science fiction movie on Amazon Prime, Cargo Space Is Cold, which should be better than it is but will give them credit for a coherent, well structured story (not rife with technobabble, thankfully) and decent special effects.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Wikipedia says there are quite a few more than two British Isles; and, interestingly, that not everyone living on them agrees to that name:

    The British Isles are a group of islands off the north-western coast of continental Europe that consist of the islands of Great Britain, Ireland, the Isle of Man and over six thousand smaller isles.

    … The Government of Ireland does not recognise or use the term and its embassy in London discourages its use. As a result, Britain and Ireland is used as an alternative description, and Atlantic Archipelago has had limited use among a minority in academia, while British Isles is still commonly employed. Within them, they are also sometimes referred to as these islands.

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    BC in Illinois says:

    One skirmish.
    The 4th of July parade in Webster Groves (very suburban St Louis county) featured both the local “Moms Demand Action for common sense gun laws” group . . . and the NRA.

    The Moms group was overwhelmed by the turnout. 200-300 people showed up. The parade organizers said that they couldn’t have that many — maybe 50-100 max — so they asked the group if some of them would go to other parts of the parade. Some went to march with the Clair McCaskill group. Some came to march with the Mark Osmack for Congress group, others to Wesley Bell, Cori Bush, other local candidates.

    Withe the result . . . the Moms group was still impressive, with at least 100-150 marchers — greeted with cheers and standing ovations along the line. (No not everyone, certainly, but there was enough positive enthusiasm that all the marchers felt great. Facebook and Twitter pictures all day. All in all, a 2 1/2 mile walk in a heat advisory, and a great day.

    Oh . . . and the NRA was there. Discussion on the news in the days before the parade was about whether they would be open-carrying during the parade (totally legal in Missouri; no background checks, no nothing). They said they wouldn’t. Concealed carry? There’s no way to know. (Totally legal in Missouri; no permits, no checks, no nothing.) They showed up with a huge (military surplus?) camo-painted truck. 20 marchers –mostly riding on the truck — lots of flags, Trump/Pense shirts, and a sign that said “Guns save lives–stop the hysteria.”

    And the pictures are of people turning their backs as they rode by, anti-NRA signs and thumbs down.

    125 days to Election Day. And the local Rep — Ann Wagner (R – safe Republican vote) — needs the votes of Webster Groves in order to win. And it is true that you can’t tell everything from one parade. But for today, the skirmish went to the good guys.

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    Tony Jay says:


    The southern Less Britons have had a theme park of sorts running there since the 1920s. It had the usual issues with lack of opportunities for women and minorities but they’ve brought in new management and things are improving.

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    NotMax says:

    @Amir Khalid

    The Channel Islands exist in a weird sort of limbo governmental confabulation.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Global warming will soon make Greenland green. Bringing greatness to Britain will be somewhat trickier, especially with a that Tory government.

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    NotMax says:

    @Amir Khalid

    soon make Greenland green

    Mmmm. Qaqortoq peaches. Now that’ll be good eatin’.


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    @Amir Khalid: I was aware of there being quite a few islands in the group and Ireland’s distaste for the term “Lesser Britain”. I’m in the position you were when you were waiting on your latest fix for your guitar addiction; I’m awaiting delivery of a new(to me) camera.

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    NotMax says:


    Correction. A Swiss science fiction movie. Credit where it is due.

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    SRW1 says:

    Somehow one can’t help the impression that Merriam-Webster was not impressed by Trump’s claim of having the best words and decided to start a counter offensive by butting in on the one true Trumpian area of expertise: the comb over.

    Sneaky bastards.

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    Bruce K says:

    @Mnemosyne: I’ve gotten some of that, too – last year some jackass called me “ignorantly misinformed” for not “knowing” that. I replied by referencing Niemoller and linking to Amazon’s page for Shirer’s Rise and Fall, and he got shirty about my being “triggered”. I’m sorry, but my mom and dad were both around for the whole of that war, and Mom was in one of the countries the Nazis invaded, so I have zero patience for people trying to troll on that topic, especially now that the threat is becoming more obvious.

    As an aside to the gang: would it be considered offensive these days to refer to the Confederate battle flag as the Hillbilly Hakenkreuz?

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    SFAW says:

    @Bruce K:

    last year some jackass called me “ignorantly misinformed”

    And that asshole was “well misinformed”?

    It’s as if the entire lot o’ them are Dunning-Kruger adherents.

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    SFAW says:

    @Bruce K:

    As an aside to the gang: would it be considered offensive these days to refer to the Confederate battle flag as the Hillbilly Hakenkreuz?

    Well, you capitalized it, so it’s probably NOT uncivil of you. Lower case, on the other hand, would not give those racist, fascist assholes all the respect they deserve.

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Also bigger than Bretagne (aka Lesser Britain).

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    leeleeFL says:

    Aa a Long Island Girl from way back, I wish the Grucci post waa true.. Felix Grucci was a Republican, but not a nutcase, as I remember.

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    hueyplong says:

    @Bruce K: I’m stealing Hillbilly Hakenkreuz and I’m not giving any credit.

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    Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman) says:

    A letter that I found outside Golden Corral.

    Dearest Mother,

    I am ready to avenge the Bowling Green Massacre.

    My unit, the 101st Chairborne, is under the command of SS-Sturmbannführer Steve Bannon, a proven warrior in the fight against the Resistance and the Elders of Zion.

    We are eagerly awaiting the arrival of Meal Team Six, our special forces unit.

    Once they arrive, we attack and I can earn the EK in battle against the Resistance.

    I will write again soon.
    Give my love to all our quiverfull children.

    With Love,
    Private no-Class Michael Pence

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    debbie says:


    Even better: Glenn Beck’s proof that Progressives are Communists is that one of Lenin’s aides told fearful Russians that everything wouldn’t change overnight; change would occur in progressive steps.


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    zhena gogolia says:

    This thing about Twitler wanting to invade Venezuela, along with recognizing Putin’s invasion of Crimea, makes me really nervous. He wants to BE Putin. That’s what strong leaders do, invade other sovereign nations!

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    different-church-lady says:

    @NotMax: …and the United in United States.

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    Sloane Ranger says:

    @boatboy_srq: Yep. I was always taught that we were Great Britain to distinguish us from Bretagne (Brittany). During the Brexit campaign I spent a lot of time yelling obscenities at idiots urging people to vote leave and put the Great back into Great Britain.

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    Tokyokie says:


    Not to mention the green in Greenland or the great in Great Britain.

    On the other hand, despite all the volcanoes, I totally get the ice in Iceland.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    The Battle of Bullshit Run rages.

    Heard from the MAGA side “There stands Alex Jones like a sack of excrement”

    Dark days for the Republic. Michael Shaara is planning a new book “Gods and Grifters”

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    JAFD says:

    @Amir Khalid: Eamon de Valera’s preferred term was ‘Isles of the North Atlantic’ – Iona for short.

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    ealbert says:

    I always thought Great Britain (Greater Britain) referred to the multiple countries (territories) that make it up, in the same way we refer to ‘the greater (city name)’ area.

    Oh well, learn something new.

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    Spanky says:


    What are they doing in Russia?

    Visiting their balls is all I can figure. Had the American press been there maybe they could have reported whether they (the balls) were all in a vise or not.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Sloane Ranger:

    “During the Brexit campaign…”

    That’s a real puzzler for me. We’ve visited Europe twice, and both times remarked on how crossing national borders was like crossing state lines in the US. If you weren’t watching you might miss it. As a child I was disappointed that going into Ohio or Virginia was so not interesting. Same with New Years and birthdays, nothing different on the other side.

    And now the English are working against everything that’s kept a continent that saw bloody constant warfare for centuries at peace now for 73 years, longer than any period of peace on the European continent in written history. And Trump is working against the other holder of the peace, NATO.

    Putin owns the brexit people and he owns Traitor-Trump, and he obviously owns a lot of the leaders of the Republican treason party.

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    MoxieM says:

    @Bruce K: Great idea! It’s not very “haken” visually speaking, but the verb form haken can take the meaning to be stuck. Plus it makes all kinds of sense, and it sounds great!

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