Breaking: Shooting at Capital Gazette News in Annapolis, MD

From Capital Gazette reporter Phil Davis:

From Anne Arundel Police:

Ali Velshi on MSNBC just reported that the police have indicated that the building has been cleared.

It is unclear as to who the perpetrator was as of this point or what the motive was for the shooting. Information is, as always, going to dribble out over the next 24-72 hours, so hold off on jumping to conclusions.

I’m heading out for several hours, but will update tonight if more information is available then.

ETA at 4:05 PM

MSNBC is reporting is the suspect is in custody, that the weapon was a shotgun, and that the NYPD is hardening all news media targets in New York as a proactive measure against potential copycats.

Open thread.

209 replies
  1. 1
    Cheryl Rofer says:


    I wonder if a broader threat has been made.

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    Ex employee or politically motivated? Targeting a newspaper office does not seem random.

  3. 3
    Cheryl Rofer says:

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    Yarrow says:

    Adam, you’ve been warning that at some point journalists will start getting killed. Looks like we could be at that point. Waiting for further information, of course.

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    JPL says:

    Fairly quickly they put officers at Baltimore Sun. We don’t know the motive yet, but it was a white male.

    This is horrifying

    A reporter who was in the office at the time

    https://twitter.com/PhilDavis_CG

  6. 6
    Betty Cracker says:

    Too soon to know if these people were targeted because they were journalists or not. It’s far more likely a disgruntled employee or something of that nature. But it is weird that pedo-apologizing, Nazi-coddling Milo surfaced right before this incident.

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    rikyrah says:

    Let’s find out the ‘ motive’ of the shooter.
    Mentally ill?
    Lone wolf?
    He was taken alive so the likelihood of him being White is 98%+

    Uh huh
    Uh huh

  8. 8
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    I’m going to jump to a conclusion:

    It’s a guy who is totally pissed that Babe Ruth never got a chance to play for the Orioles.

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    Then there’s this, which is what Adam’s been referring to.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @schrodingers_cat: My guess is ex employee at this point. But, as Adam says, don’t go jumping to conclusions or you’ll look like an idiot or someone from Breitbart.

    See my previous post.

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    Elizabelle says:

    In sleepy, sunny little Seal Beach, CA a few years ago, 8 people were shot and killed in a hair salon. That was domestic-violence related.

    Could be DV, or workplace violence, or …

    Tragic. In any event.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: The only people the press is an enemy of are MAGAts who don’t want their ignorance of everything questioned.

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    Spanky says:

    Southern Maryland resident here. The Capital Gazette covers local/state govt issues almost exclusively. If it were a Milo follower, I would have guessed he’d go down the road (US50) to the WaPo.

    And I have to go to a store about a half mile from there in about a half hour, which is quite near Annapolis Mall.

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    Timurid says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    The timing of this is suspicious, but the newspaper industry is profoundly screwed up right now, with layoffs, pay cuts, deteriorating working conditions and corporate meddling in editorial and other decisions. Basically a perfect recipe for workplace violence.

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    TomatoQueebn says:

    Fox 5 (local affiliate, not FauxNooze) doing their level best to keep up, obviously shaken by attack on their colleagues in the news biz.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Timurid: That’s my thinking right now.

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    Mike J says:

    @JPL:

    but it was a white male.

    It is always a white male.

    Every member of the WH press corps should be reminding SHS of what Trump has said about the media and ask what he thinks of this.

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    But her emails!!! says:

    @Spanky:
    Wapo might be a harder target? Still, domestic or workplace violence are more likely.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @But her emails!!!: That’s what I was thinking. The big dailies have better security, particularly now.

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    Aleta says:

    Recording of threatening call made to Charles Blow, June 26:

    Received this voicemail today

    Video of Jim Acosta’s encounter at a SC rally, June 26:

    This lady from last night’s Trump rally in SC told me to tone it down. She talked about a possible civil war and people shooting each other. Just one example of some of the anger directed at the press at Trump rallies.

  22. 22
    d58826 says:

    donald trump — fake news
    annapolis MD – real victims/real blood

    Would be nice to say there is a special place in hell for Trump but even Satan has standards.

  23. 23
    Mike J says:

    Twitter thread on hoaxes, bad info post shooting
    https://twitter.com/JaneLytv/status/1012420302528057344

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    germy says:

    Harlan Ellison has died at 84.

  25. 25
    Ohio Mom says:

    Whatever the ultimate story behind this horrific event turns out to be, I am sure that the ready availability of guns and ammo will have nothing to do with it.//

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    germy says:

    I wonder what #45 will tweet about the Capital Gazette shooting.

    Something inappropriate, if he bothers at all.

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    randy khan says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    In fairness to the Orioles, Ruth had been dead for more than 5-1/2 years by the time they came to town.

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    But her emails!!! says:

    @Ohio Mom:
    The weapon used was a shotgun, not something that’s high on any target lists for gun control (provided the weapon info is accurate)

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    Pretty sad that we are hoping it is just a garden variety office shooting.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @But her emails!!!: Also considered an optimal weapon for home defense so suggests an impulse thing like domestic voilance.

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    Elizabelle says:

    WaPost has turned off comments on its story.

    Comments are now closed
    The Washington Post may turn off the comments on stories dealing with personal loss, tragedies or other sensitive topics.

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    NotMax says:

    hold off on jumping to conclusions

    Yeah, good luck with that.

    ;)

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    debit says:

    @germy: He was kind of a dick, but it still makes me sad.

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    randy khan says:

    @germy:

    Harlan Ellison has died at 84.

    I can just see him, already causing trouble at the Pearly Gates. (And Satan wouldn’t want him, either.)

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    Elizabelle says:

    From CNN, 14 minutes ago:

    14 min ago
    Police are still evacuating the building
    Lt. Ryan Frashure, spokesperson of Anne Arundel County Police Department, told reporters that law enforcement officers are still in evacuating the building, following a shooting inside a newspaper building.

    He confirmed that there were injuries, but did not expect it to be a mass casualty situation. Frashure said additional information about victims and the suspect will be provided once the building is completely secure.

  36. 36
    NotMax says:

    @germy

    A young rebel passes.

    Notable enough to merit a separate front page post, IMHO.

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    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism says:

    @NotMax: If they do, I want the video of him groping Connie Willis included in the tribute.

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    Damned at Random says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Spousal unit says disgruntled employee, I’m guessing paranoid wingnut in a MAGA hat. Loser has to clean the bathroom. We used to be nice people, but we’re turning callous.

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    Mike in DC says:

    A shotgun, fired through a glass door. That…does not sound much like typical workplace violence or domestic violence mo. Typically such a motive dictates specific targeting of victims. This sounds like someone who just wanted to kill a bunch of journalists.

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    Mary G says:

    @germy: Wow. The only fan letter I’ve ever written was to Harlan Ellison (didn’t mail it, though), but you definitely have to separate the art from the artist.

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    EveryDayIHaveTheBlues says:

    Adam, I want to express my thanks for a couple of things: first, your posts have been very informative on various issues facing this country. They bring a clarity and (what appears to me at least; I beg pardon if this is a projection!) a quiet determination to expose, explain, and oppose the catastrophic damage caused by this presidency.

    This brings me to my second point: as I’m sure most of the folks here are doing, I’ve been stressing now for many months (years!) about this malignant and foul venality. But what you wrote the other day, about “Those of us who have the privilege of being white must prepare ourselves in case it becomes necessary to place ourselves between harm and people of color and visible religious minorities in the US” is deeply stirring. You also said something similar in a reply to a comment of mine on an earlier thread, but I didn’t get it at that point, and responded with some banality about struggle. I wish to express my gratitude towards your statement, not because we or I or mine need protection, but to the deep empathy and humanity underlying such a perspective. We are in your debt.

    As far as the disaster unfolding over the last eighteen months, and especially the few days, the education accompanying the simmering rage one feels is useful: the only thing one admires about our opponents is their misplaced grit and relentless offense. Was it over after Roe V Wade, or Nixon, or Carter, or Clinton, or when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell, no!

    It is instructive to see how they play the short game and the long game, evil as it may be. There is ALWAYS something to be done (Adam has written about the 3m and 10m targets). Register somebody, get involved in GOTV, call your senators, work the referees. I became a citizen in 2017. I’ll be damned if these idiots think they’ve won. I’ll protest and fight peacefully, not only because there are people who fight alongside me, and because of duty towards the country, but at the most atavistic level, the future of my son and the well-being of my family demand it.

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    @Villago Delenda Est: Where did I jump to any conclusion. I listed two choices in the decreasing order of probability.

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    germy says:

    Harlan Ellison: There was no one quite like him in American letters, and never will be. Angry, funny, eloquent, hugely talented. If there's an afterlife, Harlan is already kicking ass and taking down names.
    — Stephen King (@StephenKing) June 28, 2018

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    Five deaths and others gravely wounded.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Mike J:
    Yup, and they should speak to Possum Queen in short sentences.

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    Jeffro says:

    @germy: Author of a great pair of DAREDEVIL stories, amongst all his other good work. RIP Harlan.

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

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    jon says:

    Meanwhile, at Fatherland Security

    New DHS press release is… 14 words, and is titled: “We Must Secure The Border And Build The Wall To Make America Safe Again”

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    trollhattan says:

    Any guesses how many Republican “thots N prars” will be going out to a newsroom? Any guesses >0? How about NRA “thots N prars” for the innocent shotgun?

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    Trump tweeted a plain vanilla tweet – thoughts and prayers.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Officially a mass shooting.

    Tragic.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @trollhattan:

    Yup, and they should speak to Possum Queen in short sentences.

    SHS: “Reporters should have had guns to defend themselves.”

    WH Press Pool: Smile, nod; “Some say guns should be restricted. others say guns should be more available. Both sides!”

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Must be an aide on the account then.

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    @Cheryl Rofer: Oh god. That’s terrible.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @jon:

    “We Must Secure The Border And Build The Wall To Make America Safe Again”

    Will nobody in the media point out that people who travel here by plane and overstay their visas are the worst problem and no wall at the border stops this?

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    @Cheryl Rofer:

    refusing to give his name; he has no ID on him

    I leaning away from a disgruntled employee or DV as motive.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Mary G:

    you definitely have to separate the art from the artist.

    Why? The arseholery inhabits the artist/arsehole just as much as the artistry does. There has to be some interaction between them. If you separate them, you surely miss the connections.

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    trollhattan says:

    Creedence fiftieth anniversary celebrated with a music video of “Fortunate Son” done by a 21st century director. How very far we’ve come.

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    @Amir Khalid: I couldn’t look at Kipling’s work the same way after I found out about his defense of the butcher of Jallianwala Bagh.

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    trollhattan says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Will nobody in the media point out

    Guessing they’re occupied hiding under desks at the moment.

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    d58826 says:

    So Der Fuhrer is tweeting thoughts and prayers.

    Well F****K Der Fuhrer and the horse he rode in on.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: SOP

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    TenguPhule says:

    Fox News chief executive Suzanne Scott is calling for action. Via Politico’s Jason Schwartz comes news that the boss at the No. 1 cable-news outlet gathered producers to tell them that “they would be held accountable for anything said on their air, and that it was their job to head off any inappropriate remarks, according to two people with knowledge of the meeting,” writes Schwartz. A source told Schwartz, “She said, ‘You are responsible for protecting the talent, protecting the brand.’”

    Protecting the brand from what, exactly?

    Via Wapo.

    Perhaps too soon but its been a shitty week.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Yarrow: I don’t want to speculate

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    mad citizen says:

    I learn so much here, like about the 14 words. Google turns up this reference to the most popular white supremacist slogan: “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.”

    Does any major media notice these coincidences? Gosh, the first four words are exactly the same as to what DHS is putting out.

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    Barbara says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Just what exactly does he consider a mass casualty situation to be if five isn’t enough? In addition to disgruntled ex-employee, you might add estranged partner/husband of current employee, or someone who was the subject of an article. Let’s say they have routine information about people who were arrested and someone so a name there that led to the loss of a job. That sort of thing.

    An awful lot of these situations involve domestic abuse.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    I told Brickley Paiste aka ARGB the other day that there would be a mass murder to sate his bloodlust coming along soon enough.

    I’m sorry that I was right so soon. 😪

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @germy: Among other things, he was a television critic for the LA Free Press, and his columns were compiled into a couple of books, “The Glass Teat” and “The Other Glass Teat”. His critique of the Partridge Family (I think) consisted of three words – “Mother of God”

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    dmsilev says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Will nobody in the media point out that people who travel here by plane and overstay their visas are the worst problem and no wall at the border stops this?

    A sufficiently tall wall would in fact stop that. 40,000 feet or so should do the trick.

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    efgoldman says:

    Jesus. I remember how scary it was, ten or so years ago, when a wacko we in the Discovery building in Silver Spring, when our daughter worked there.
    He wasn’t even going around shooting people, and they cleared the building successfully.
    We heard about it because we happened to tune WTOP when we stopped for gas near Gettysburg.

    FIX THE FUCKING BLOG

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    Mike in DC says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Ditto. If this is some MAGAt lunatic, every question to SHS at the next presser should start with “Bitch”. “Bitch, would you care to comment on the link between the President’s comments about the media and yesterday’s mass murder of journalists?”

  72. 72
    Aleta says:

    @EveryDayIHaveTheBlues:
    A couple more (from Laura Olin’s answer to a reader):

    I’d suggest picking one or two things from a list like this:
    a. Check your voter registration.
    b. Ask a young person you know to register.
    c. Donate to a local group working to help immigrants and asylum-seekers.
    d. Find a state legislature or U.S. House campaign you like and volunteer to knock on doors for them, and/or set up monthly donations.

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    VeniceRiley says:

    hold off on jumping to conclusions.

    My hot take is GUNS R BAD

    My 3 encounters with Harlan Ellison:

    1) met him and his wife at The Nebula Awards at a party. he was super cool, conversing and introduced me to others, including Connie Willis’ daughter, who came up to chat with him, instead of excusing himself to talk to other people and colleagues he likely knew well.

    2) There was a con with an intellectual bent at UCLA. He was there on a panel with Joe Strazinski, and was super-preoccupied with a hangnail on his thumb. I got up out of the audience and lent him a nail clipper. He seemed relieved and thanked me.

    3) I was in person for the Hugo Awards that one year when, as Connie Willis came to the podium Harlan was presenting from, grabbed her breast right there on stage in front of everybody. (This enraged me, and many others.)

    Definitely a mixed bag guy, that guy.

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    Mandalay says:

    @TenguPhule:

    people who travel here by plane and overstay their visas are the worst problem

    I think your slip is showing.

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    TenguPhule says:

    The federal government currently requires commercial truck drivers to be at least 21 to drive a large truck across state lines. But a Department of Transportation pilot program will soon allow some drivers as young as 18 to drive cross-country for private trucking companies. Specifically, the program would be available to some members of the national guard and others with military experience.

    “Later this year, FMCSA will begin implementing a pilot program to allow 18- to 20-year-old drivers that have training and experience in certain military occupational specialties to operate commercial vehicles in interstate commerce,” said Duane DeBruyne, a spokesperson for the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration, a division of DOT.

    Via Wapo.

    Wheee! Just what we need on our crumbling highways. Inexperienced younger drivers in big fucking trucks with tons of trailer coming behind them.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @dmsilev:

    40,000 feet or so should do the trick.

    What about all the planes that fly at 45,000 feet? //

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    mad citizen says:

    @trollhattan: Thanks for the Fortunate Son link! Makes me want to write “It Ain’t Me” on something.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @efgoldman:

    FIX THE FUCKING BLOG

    WordPress will continue until morale improves.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    They usually are deeply connected. To Schrodinger’s Cat’s point above, Kipling’s support for the British general who massacres civilians in India may have been partly influenced by how his views changed and became more rigid and authoritarian after the death of his son in WW I and he became paranoid about Western civilization being “overrun.”

    My example is usually Roman Polanski. If you look at his films like “Repulsion” or “Chinatown,” he has lead female characters who have been suffered terrible sexual abuse at the hands of their own fathers, and yet he himself is a rapist and hebephile (he started living with Nastassjia Kinski when she was 14 years old). I sometimes wonder how someone who committed acts of sexual violence can demonstrate so much sympathy towards victims of sexual violence in his works of art, but I don’t have a satisfactory answer even for myself.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Annapolis is a lovely town and we used to visit 2-3 times a year when living in NoVA. Great shopping, great restaurants, and the USNA museum is awesome.

    But just another demented day in Trump’s America, where the real victim is the poor, picked on NRA.

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    Matt says:

    @mad citizen: also note the “88” they snuck in towards the end. Somebody over there writing PR is a Nazi-who-calls-themselves-a-Nazi

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    RedDirtGirl says:

    Jesus fucking H Christ! Jumping to the end of this thread to ask you to hold my father in the light. He has been hospitalized with complications from persistent pneumonia. At 85. And he is 300 miles away.

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    chopper says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    you’d figure if it was a disgruntled employee, he would have been identified by the rest. maybe, i dunno.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @RedDirtGirl:

    I’m sorry. Praying for him.

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    @Mike in NC:

    But just another demented day in Trump’s America, where the real victim is the poor, picked on NRA.

    Sean Hannity has found the responsible party, Rep. Maxine Waters has sowed the seeds of incivility and is responsible(h/t to LGF).

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    debit says:

    @RedDirtGirl: Keeping you both in my thoughts. {{{}}}

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    Chyron HR says:

    I don’t understand, the guy from Vermont said that white people use their guns for HUNTING.

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    Immanentize says:

    @RedDirtGirl: I have both your father and you in my mind and I am wishing you both strength.

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    VeniceRiley says:

    @RedDirtGirl: I’m sorry. That’s … ugh. I lost my dad to C-Dificile + COPD

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    @Mnemosyne: His support was material too, created a fundraiser for him after his discharge from the military and wrote eloquently supporting his actions.
    Its the massacre shown in the movie Gandhi, where soldiers opened fire on an unarmed and peaceful protesters and kept firing till they ran out of ammunition. There was no escape from the garden, many jumped into a well to avoid being fired upon.
    Kipling said of Dyer,

    The man who saved India.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @RedDirtGirl:

    Oh no! I will think good thoughts for him and hope that you can find an inexpensive flight to see him.

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    @Chyron HR: Well, he didn’t say what they were hunting.

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    Mary G says:

    @RedDirtGirl: {{{hug from afar}}}

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    @chopper: Still developing. They aren’t sharing a lot of information, which is prudent.

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    Comrade Scrutinizer says:

    @trollhattan: Classic song. Shitty video that misses the point of the classic song.

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    @RedDirtGirl: So sorry. Peace and strength

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    trollhattan says:

    @RedDirtGirl:
    Best wishes for dad, you and your family. Pneumonia is always scary.

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    mad citizen says:

    @Matt: I read some of the twitter at the link on the DHS press release and apparently it was from February. Still terrible, but from Feb. I’m still not seeing the “88” reference or “HH”, but am rethinking why Dale Jr. drove a white 88 NASCAR race car.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @mad citizen:
    Some of them notice. It would be impolite and shrill to point that out. Or they secretly agree with it.

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    Mary G says:

    BREAKING: Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal was just arrested by Capitol Police for protesting Trump's separation of refugee families 🇺🇸 #TheResistance— Scott Dworkin (@funder) June 28, 2018

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    Comrade Scrutinizer says:

    @TenguPhule:

    What about all the planes that fly at 45,000 feet?

    Surface-to-air missiles.

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    SFBayAreaGal says:

    @Just One More Canuck: He also wrote the original script for a Star Trek episode called “The City on the Edge of Forever.” My favorite Star Trek episode.

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    mad citizen says:

    @Comrade Scrutinizer: Guess I didn’t want to say “shitty video”, but it did seem to go out of its way to be non-political, in spite of the song lyrics. It’s a tightrope, I’m sure, for Fogerty to approve.

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    Aleta says:

    Easy to overlook how the increased protection of journalists in the last few years (in response to increased threats, US and worldwide) has somewhat concealed the risks they face every day, and has prevented many incidents.

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    @Mary G: Way to go. Get in good trouble.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Mary G: And the institutions crumble a little more.

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    Aleta says:

    @RedDirtGirl: Holding him and you in the light.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    I just looked Dyer up on Wikipedia and even Winston Churchill thought he went too far and was a murderer when he ordered his men to fire into that crowd.

    There is apparently a bit of controversy about whether or not Kipling actually donated money to the fund (there is no record of him doing so), but he was definitely a supporter. As I said, after WW I Kipling became increasingly authoritarian and paranoid about disorder, so it’s not really a surprise that he would be all in on suppressing the “natives.”

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    JustRuss says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Will nobody in the media point out that people who travel here by plane and overstay their visas are the worst problem and no wall at the border stops this?

    More importantly, the vast majority of the guns used to kill 30,000 Americans every year are wielded by Americans, so building a wall isn’t going to make us safer. But it won’t piss off the NRA, so there’s that.

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    lamh36 says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    @thehill
    Milo Yiannopoulos says his call for journalists to be shot wasn’t serious after Maryland newspaper shooting http://hill.cm/BO3ix7u

    Uh huh…Sure, Jan

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    @Mnemosyne: Wikipedia is often not the best source for contested history.
    As for Mr. White Man’s Burden he was a fucking racist from the get go. He may have been a soft-racist (orientalist) before.

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    lamh36 says:

    @MattMurph24
    Following Following @MattMurph24
    More
    Amazing how almost every white male shooter is apprehended ALIVE.

    4:30 PM – 28 Jun 2018

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    Timurid says:

    Law enforcement is apparently having trouble identifying the suspect, so an (ex)employee may be less likely.

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    lamh36 says:

    @JYSexton
    2m2 minutes ago
    More
    If you have any doubt these fascists mean what they say, go look at their forums. Read their words. They’re planning. They’re talking logistics. They will admit, in so many words, that they aren’t kidding around.

    https://twitter.com/JYSexton/status/1012451040191569920

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @mad citizen:

    Isn’t Dale Jr actually a pretty decent guy, like John Cena? I’ve heard that he tried to fight against the southern racism in NASCAR. Richard Petty is an asshole, apparently

    “Anybody that don’t stand up for the anthem oughta be out of the country. Period. What got ’em where they’re at?”

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    RedDirtGirl says:

    Thanks you guys. On the brighter side of all the darkness, since my cat recently passed away, I am gearing up to become a dog foster mom (eventually). Tonight I’m going to a volunteer orientation at one of the local rescue organizations so I can start helping at adoption events, etc. Balm for the soul…

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    dr. luba says:

    @Timurid: No ID = sovereign citizen?

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    Elizabelle says:

    @RedDirtGirl: All the best to you. I hope your father pulls through.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Also according to Wikipedia, Kipling’s words are now ironic because most historians consider the Jallianwala Bagh massacre the catalyst for the modern independence movement. In retrospect, one could say that it “saved” India by making its people determined to win independence from the kind of monsters who would gun down unarmed festivalgoers. (Hopefully that doesn’t sound too flippant.)

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @schrodingers_cat: You didn’t jump to any. I was poorly trying to parody the tendency of far too many to jump to conclusions.

    One thing that would deter jumping to conclusions is to NOT SAVE THE COMMENTING INFO.

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    @Mnemosyne: An article from the Telegraph, about various Prime Ministers and the monarch visiting the site

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    The Dangerman says:

    @d58826:

    Well F****K Der Fuhrer and the horse he rode in on.

    So much winnying?

    ETA: I sure hope this doesn’t go back to Trump’s “fake news” stuff because, if it does, he might really go off (no chnace he dials it back if so)

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    mad citizen says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷: @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷: I was being too cute. I’m a bit of an F1 fan but hear and read stuff on other racing forms — living in Indy– and yes, I have the impression that Dale Jr. has changed over the years, so I shouldn’t paint him as racist, etc.

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    Barbara says:

    @RedDirtGirl: Keeping your father in my thoughts and hoping that things turn around soon.

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    @Mnemosyne: It was not just the massacre. Indian National Congress supported the war effort during the Great War. In return India got the draconian Rowlatt acts. So when the second world war came about, INC remained neutral and launched the Quit India Movement.
    Fuck Kipling.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    I think that’s more what it was — he transitioned from being an Orientalist who thought the “natives” were adorable if unruly children to being an exterminationist. It’s all on the same spectrum, though I suppose at least the Orientalist has some appreciation for the country and culture, condescending as it may be.

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

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    debbie says:

    It was reported that the police arrived within 60 seconds. That’s impressive!

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    TenguPhule says:

    @lamh36: I suppose its too soon to point out these “beer bellied cowards” are psyching themselves up to actually do their shit.

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    JPL says:

    @RedDirtGirl: Hopefully he is okay, and hugs.

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    debit says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Jesus.

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    debbie says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Whether or not this turns out to be a factor, someone needs to introduce a piece of legislation asking the president to act like a president and clean up his fucking language.

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    Mary G says:

    This doesn’t seem normal:

    Update: An LAPD deputy chief tells me the department is sending officers to major news outlets citywide in the wake of the shooting at the #CapitalGazette in #Annapolis. @KNX1070— Claudia Peschiutta (@ReporterClaudia) June 28, 2018

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    Mike J says:

    @Just One More Canuck:

    His critique of the Partridge Family (I think) consisted of three words – “Mother of God”

    I was never that impressed by David Cassidy.

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    debbie says:

    @Aleta:

    “Be decent.” Are you fucking kidding me???

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @TenguPhule:
    Let them try, they’ll run away at the first sign of trouble and be cut down. They aren’t the only ones who can handle guns*. This is the world they’ve built now let them reap the whirlwind.

    *Not an actual endorsement of violence

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    efgoldman says:

    @TenguPhule:

    these “beer bellied cowards” are psyching themselves up to actually do their shit.

    There are, and have been, wackos forever. The Vegas shooter, Orlando night club shooter, Dilan Roof….
    They are not the kkkeyboard kkkkomandos, all talk.

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    JPL says:

    @debbie: I just spoke with a friend who said I don’t know that. My response was turnoff the Hallmark Channel and pay attention. As you probably know from my comments, I said a few other things.

    My younger son works for a privately owned company that has a media division. They already have pretty good security, but I still called him, because that’s what moms do.

    fyi.. since he works for another division he doesn’t know if extra security is here.

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    Police are saying they found an explosive device at the Gazette.

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    J R in WV says:

    From CBS news:

    Five people were killed Thursday in a shooting at a local newspaper building in Maryland, and several others were gravely wounded, officials in Annapolis said. One suspect is in custody.

    Phil Davis, a Gazette reporter, tweeted that he was in the building when the shooting happened. Davis said via Twitter the gunman shot through the glass door to the office and opened fire on multiple employees. He said he hid under his desk and employees heard the gunman reload.

    William Krampf, acting chief of police for Anne Arundel County, confirmed five dead and several others seriously wounded at a press conference Thursday afternoon.

    Sources tell CBS News five other people were injured.

    One law enforcement source says the suspect is a white male in his 20s and didn’t have identification in [sic] him. The suspect is refusing to identify himself.

    The “suspect” sounds like a fascist nut job, more nuts than most shooters, actually. I expect that being mentally ill and unable to participate in his own defense would not mean being released but probably hospitalized behind bars for the rest of his life. That would be the case in Virginia, anyway, I know this painfully.

    Raw Story and the NY Observer report that Milo Yiannopoulos recently said “I can’t wait for the vigilante squads to start gunning journalists down on sight” the right-wing nationalist told Observer over text message. Since the texts are presumably available to law enforcement, this violent British Nazi making a living from being a Nazi should be arrested, tried, jailed, and deported after serving his sentence. Surely there are serious laws on the books that include prohibiting fomenting murder, and other RWNJs who should be picked up for the public safety.

    Listening to NPR it sounds as if having a news room cleared by a shotgun may have woke some journalists up to their exposure to danger on the part of the violent fascists attempting to take control of America. That would be about three years too late.

    Using the words “conservative” and “libertarian” to describe these people in politics, members of the Federalist Society, is totally inaccurate. My father was a conservative, and these people are not. They are theocratic fascists, and using any other descriptor for them is aiding their nazi cause and harming the United States of America.

    Now I’m gonna have a very tall gin and tonic with a big squeeze of fresh lime. It won’t calm me down, but it won’t fire me up either, so that’s OK.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Aleta:

    Easy to overlook how the increased protection of journalists in the last few years (in response to increased threats, US and worldwide) has somewhat concealed the risks they face every day, and has prevented many incidents.

    Journalists in the US have been very, very lucky compared to the rest of the world.

    Forty six journalists were murdered in 2017, with Mexico, Syria and India among the deadliest countries for reporters.

    The Committee to Protect Journalists has a great site devoted to helping reporters.

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    Mary G says:

    Just reported this lovely person to Twitter:

    News room In Maryland, I will tell you why…. because they deserved it. The media is out of control. They all deserve to be gunned down. As I predicted. We are at war. #CivilWar— Bantom Draiper (@BantomDraiper) June 28, 2018

    He loves Twitler.

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    randy khan says:

    @SFBayAreaGal:

    He also wrote the original script for a Star Trek episode called “The City on the Edge of Forever.” My favorite Star Trek episode.

    You’ve left out the part that makes it quintessentially Harlan Ellison, though – they made significant changes to his original version, which caused a longstanding rift between him and Gene Roddenberry. I have heard (although this apparently is in dispute) that one issue was that Ellison had a drug ring on the Enterprise, which obviously wasn’t going to be allowed.

    Part of Ellison’s revenge was that he submitted his original script to the Writer’s Guild for its awards, and won the award for best TV episode with it. (The actual filmed version won the Hugo, apparently.) On the other hand, Ellison did leave his name on the script, unlike other times when he took his name off and substituted Cordwainer Bird when he was upset about what a director or producer had done.

    {By the way, the problems other people have been having with sign-in appear to be happening to me now. I didn’t have them until late yesterday.}

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    Jim Parish says:

    @randy khan: Ruth signed with the minor-league Orioles in 1914, but was shipped to Boston without appearing in any games.

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    NotMax says:

    @Villago Delenda Est

    One thing that would deter jumping to conclusions is to NOT SAVE THE COMMENTING INFO.

    Maybe Alain can get to implementing that straight away. //

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    Timurid says:

    Now there’s RUMINT that the suspect defaced his fingerprints. SovCit anyone?

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    @Mike J: I was never a Cassidy or Partridge fan, but David Cassidy is a character in a book I like a lot: Allison Pearson’s “I Think I Love You,” named after his song. The first half of the book is about a 13 year old girl who’s a huge David Cassidy fan. She enters some teen magazine contest to get to meet him, and also sneaks off with a friend to his concert, where things go wrong and as I recall someone is killed.

    Then in the second half of the book, she’s in her 30s. Her marriage has come apart and her mother just died. When she goes through her mother’s things, she finds a letter from the teen magazine saying she won the contest. Eventually, the now defunct magazine’s parent company flies her and a friend to Las Vegas to meet Cassidy.

    It’s a hugely entertaining book.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Mary G:
    Twitter should ban that fucking piece of shit for hate speech. That newspaper did not report on national politics. But even if they did that still don’t deserve to be gunned down. The only ones out of control are Trump worshippers and other assorted authoritarians.

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    MJS says:

    @TenguPhule: Why do you say that? How is this different than the other countless mass shootings? Besides the fact that in your world, every bad thing is proof positive of the coming civil war?

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    debbie says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    I’m with you on Polanski, and I add Woody Allen. Can’t even think of him without wanting to spit.

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    debbie says:

    @RedDirtGirl:

    Hoping your father rallies and that you can get to his bedside with minimal hassle. Pneumonia’s a bitch.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @MJS: How many dead bodies do you require to meet the “well shit, maybe these Nazis aren’t all talk after all” standard?

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    Yutsano says:

    @RedDirtGirl: Much love and healing light to your dad. Hoping he bounces back from this and fast!

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    randy khan says:

    @Jim Parish:

    Ruth signed with the minor-league Orioles in 1914, but was shipped to Boston without appearing in any games.

    True, but it was a different franchise than the modern-day Os. (One of the neat bits about Oriole Park is that the team put in lots of references to the teams that preceded the Orioles in Baltimore. IIRC, the end caps on the rows of seats incorporate the Ruth-era Orioles logo.)

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    debbie says:

    @lamh36:

    You’ll recall he was just joking when he spoke of his support for NAMBLA. Why isn’t he being deported?

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    Brachiator says:

    @RedDirtGirl: Good wishes to you and to your family.

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    Mike J says:

    @Dorothy Winsor: I don’t really have much opinion one way or the other about him I just thought it was funny that HE’s review was, “mother of god” and Shirley Jones played David Cassidy’s mother. Maybe the joke would have been funnier with Danny Bonaduce.

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    debbie says:

    @JPL:

    As you probably know from my comments, I said a few other things.

    LOL. You’re approaching Kay Velocity!

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @lamh36:
    So he’s basically saying he should never be taken seriously? Because if you say shit like that and you later claim you were joking, then nothing you say afterwards should be taken seriously. In reality, he meant every word he said. Because he’s a coward, he denies it after the fact.

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    @Mike J: LOL. It probably would have been. You just gave me a chance to talk about that book, which as I say, I liked a lot.

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    M4 says:

    @Matt:

    also note the “88” they snuck in towards the end. Somebody over there writing PR is a Nazi-who-calls-themselves-a-Nazi

    The 88 was super egregious. I clicked on it thinking it would be some coincidence, 88% of something or whatever, but–no, “almost 13 out of 88” or whatever is not a normal way of discussing percentages.

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    BC in Illinois says:

    @jon:

    Meanwhile, at Fatherland Security…

    And something clicks.

    Lieb Vaterland, magst ruhig sein,
    lieb Vaterland, magst ruhig sein,
    Fest steht und treu die Wacht, die Wacht am Südlichen!
    Fest steht und treu die Wacht, die Wacht am Südlichen!

    Not a great lyric. Maybe the watch on the Rio?

    If it gets stuck in your head, just play La Marseillaise.

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    MJS says:

    @TenguPhule: Since you apparently know the identity and motives of the shooter, you should probably inform law enforcement. Along with the location of his base of operations, where the other members of his battalion are readying their assault on American cities, one newsroom and school at a time. Or you could see that this is a continuation of a gun problem that has been going on for years. Up to you.

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    debit says:

    You know, I’ve been pretty good about facing the news head on since election day. Even yesterday. Tonight, I’m going to ride 12 miles home on my bike, have dinner, then pull out a video game and avoid reality for a bit.

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    NotMax says:

    B-J, the only place on Earth where a thread about a mass shooting can negotiate a sudden turn into chatting about a young David Cassidy. And back again.

    :)

    (Not complaining, mind you.)

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    JPL says:

    Holy crap
    *suspect in the Capital Gazette newspaper shooting damaged his fingertips so that law enforcement can’t identify him from finger prints.
    *suspect has no ID
    *Smoke bombs/flash bangs were found in this backpack”
    https://twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/status/1012451076510011392

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    Yarrow says:

    @RedDirtGirl: Sending good thoughts. Take care of yourself too as you do what you can for your dad.

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    @NotMax: On BJ, all threads are open threads.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @JPL: Kinda screams “sovereign citizen nutjob” to me, but I am, of course, reserving judgement till I have all the facts. //

    @RedDirtGirl: Oh, no! So sorry to hear it!

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    Mary G says:

    Fox News's Trace Gallagher says they checked into Capital Gazette's ideological bent and concluded that it was very much a local newspaper.— ErikWemple (@ErikWemple) June 28, 2018

    So, if it was Mother Jones, that would be OK with Fox.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Mary G:

    News room In Maryland, I will tell you why…. because they deserved it. The media is out of control. They all deserve to be gunned down. As I predicted. We are at war. #CivilWar— Bantom Draiper (@BantomDraiper) June 28, 2018

    He loves Twitler.

    He should be reported to the police in Annapolis, the BATF, and the FBI at a minimum. He’s fomenting murder, which is or should be a felony crime. First amendment does not allow shouting “Fire” in a crowded theater.

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    debit says:

    @JPL: Well, someone knows him. I assume they’ll release a mugshot.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @RedDirtGirl: I am so sorry.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @JPL:

    shooting damaged his fingertips so that law enforcement can’t identify him from finger prints

    Guy sounds like he had planned this for a long time. He also sounds paranoid. No ID or fingerprints. Implies he has a past criminal record. He’ll have to be identified by photo.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @RedDirtGirl: My first reply got eaten, so I am repeating.

    I am so very sorry.

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    Geeno says:

    @SFBayAreaGal: The producers rewrote so much of it that Ellison hated that episode and tried to get his name taken out of the credits. He probably wouldn’t have thanked you for remembering him for that.

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    RedDirtGirl says:

    @Mary G: How does one report a tweeter?

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    trollhattan says:

    @debbie:

    someone needs to introduce a piece of legislation asking the president to act like a president and clean up his fucking language.

    I {heart} this comment.

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    Mandalay says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    I sometimes wonder how someone who committed acts of sexual violence can demonstrate so much sympathy towards victims of sexual violence

    An overwhelming sense of guilt? It’s doubly amazing when you hear the 13 year old child he raped, Samantha Geimer, speak about him as an adult. She has a far lower opinion of our legal system and our media than she does of Polanski.

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    trollhattan says:

    @J R in WV:

    Bantom Draiper

    Misspelled “diaper” he did, and possibly “bantam.”

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @Mary G: Did the reception area have granite countertops?

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    Dan B says:

    @Mary G: My rep! Now if we could get our Senators Patty and Maria to join her… Our mayor, Jennie, went to Texas to investigate. Seattle is such a hellhole of liberal women. Snark

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    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷: It’s hard to reconcile the defaced finger prints with the shotgun, which isn’t the usual weapon of choice.

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    geg6 says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷:

    All of them are cowards. It’s why they are so angry.

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    gwangung says:

    @Dorothy Winsor: For amateur wannabes? Seems an appropriate linkage.

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    JPL says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷: Not to worry, mentally ill white guy. Nothing to see here.

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    Aleta says:

    @Mandalay: No, she has said she wants the media and legal involvement to end, but she has also said he lied, drugged and raped her as a child. She does not have a better opinion of him than of the media or the law.

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    Cacti says:

    Sounds like this guy had a lot of economic anxiety.

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    Mandalay says:

    @Aleta:

    She does not have a better opinion of him than of the media or the law.

    That may be your opinion, but you are completely wrong. She has always always been very clear that Polanski raped her and committed a crime, but she has forgiven him. And she has explicitly and repeatedly said that the ongoing media frenzy and our legal system had a far more harmful effect on her life, and that of her family, than Polanski raping her.

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    SFAW says:

    @J R in WV:

    this violent British Nazi making a living from being a Nazi should be arrested, tried, jailed, and deported after serving his sentence.

    He’s white, right? And not from one of those Moooslim countries. So, “boys will be boys.”

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    cain says:

    @Mike J:

    Every member of the WH press corps should be reminding SHS of what Trump has said about the media and ask what he thinks of this.

    He would say that there are good people are both sides. But likely their lies against him have finally caught up with them.

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    Julie says:

    Coming to this thread a bit late, but I’ll give it a try anyway. I’m a longtime reader and mostly lurker — I don’t comment often, but I’ve been lurking around since Cole was a Republican. I’m also a local journalist. The reaction to this today in our community has largely been horror… almost immediately followed by, “But we all knew it was going to happen sooner rather than later.”

    If you can, consider subscribing to your (or any) local newspaper today. A lot of them have online-only options if you don’t want a big, bulky paper thing delivered all the time. (That’s what I do, honestly. 🌲) Here are a few suggestions, but you can also go to https://mylocalpaper.com/ and find options near you.

    http://ad.capitalgazette.com/l...../?int=nav2

    https://checkout.omaha.com/?utm_src=homepage_button

    https://fullaccess.azcentral.com/newstart/July4th?success-url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.azcentral.com%2F&cancel-url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.azcentral.com%2F&return-url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.azcentral.com%2F&gps-source=&utm_medium=&utm_campaign=&utm_content=&utm_source=

    https://www.seattletimes.com/subscribe/signup-offers/?subsource=voluntary

    https://subscribe.oregonlive.com/?sitecode=OPC

    https://sroffers.com/#subscribe_republican

    https://checkout.denverpost.com/

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    Kathleen says:

    @RedDirtGirl: Prayers to you and your father!

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    Gex says:

    @lamh36: These things always make me think of this thread: On “just joking”

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Dorothy Winsor: I’m not even sure *how* one defaces one’s fingerprints…and I’m sure I could Google it, but not sure I have the stomach to see what results might turn up…

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    Kathleen says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷: I’ve heard Junior is one of the good ones.

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    The Very Reverend Crimson Fire of Compassion says:

    @RedDirtGirl: praying for both of you.

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    cain says:

    @JPL:
    That is not some disgruntled employee. That’s someone going in for war.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Miss Bianca:

    I’m not even sure *how* one defaces one’s fingerprints

    Sandpaper. Or if you want to get really squicky, acid.

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    EBT says:

    @trollhattan: A thot is a woman who enjoys sex.

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    Aleta says:

    @Mandalay: Actually, no. She’s said that the media caused her extreme and lasting pain and trauma. And that she didn’t want the police to be called in the first place and that the trial was very painful. And she’s said that she’s moved past the rape because she had to. (None of that is unusual.)

    Some articles have focused entirely on those statements. And some reporters have continued to badger her or advocate for Polanski. Perhaps that’s affected your assumption. She’s made the point that the prolonged media attention has been worse than what he did to her. (Again not unusual, and doesn’t support your assumption about her opinion of him.) She’s said that she doesn’t support punishing him further, and in less confrontational interviews she has also given her negative opinion of him. Your conclusion that forgiveness and wanting to move on are the same as a positive opinion is wrong.

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    Julie says:

    I think my earlier comment gotten eaten by the moderation machine for too many links, so I’ll try this instead. I’m a longtime lurker, (very!) occasional commenter and I work in local news. If you’re horrified by this, consider subscribing to a local paper tonight. Thanks. ❤️

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    mozzerb says:

    @J R in WV:

    Since the texts are presumably available to law enforcement, this violent British Nazi making a living from being a Nazi should be arrested, tried, jailed, and deported after serving his sentence.

    Hey now, we don’t want him back.

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    EBT says:

    @Comrade Scrutinizer: Nonsense the only planes that fly over 45,000 are corporate jets.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Mandalay:

    Possibly. I don’t know if he’s ever said so, but I’m guessing he himself was sexually victimized as a young Jewish boy in Poland during WWII in addition to the other hardships he endured (bearings, mental torture, etc). In that Venn diagram of people who were raped/sexually assaulted, the vast majority of them do not commit the same crime, but almost every rapist or pedophile was abused when they were a child.

    IMO, that’s how he can be both sympathetic to victims and a perpetrator himself — he’s trying to control his own trauma and feelings of victimization by victimizing others, but also can’t help identifying with those victims. He’s a pretty fucked-up dude IMO.

    (Note: I am not a psychologist or psychiatrist, so take all of the above with a grain of salt.)

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Aleta:

    IIRC, she has forgiven Polanski in the sense that she has moved on with her life and doesn’t rent him space in her head, but she has no interest in contact with him, even for an apology.

    She’s pissed that the media keeps fucking re-litigating the whole thing every few years, ignoring her testimony (yes, Whoopi, it was “rape-rape” — read the transcript) and ignoring the fact that the reason that Polanski can’t return to the US is not because of the rape charges, but because HE JUMPED BAIL. No court system on earth is going to say that someone who jumped bail can come back to their jurisdiction and all will be forgiven, no matter how long ago it was.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @EveryDayIHaveTheBlues: Thank you for the kind words.

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    EveryDayIHaveTheBlues says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Dead thread, but you’re most welcome.

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