Fuck the Tone Police

Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi, a corrupt Trumpster, tried to attend a screening of the Mr. Rogers documentary in downtown Tampa this weekend and was jeered out of the theater:

This comes on the heels of Sarah Huckabee Sanders being kicked out of a Virginia restaurant and DHS boss Kirstjen Nielsen and creepy presidential adviser Stephen Miller getting publicly shamed at two separate Mexican restaurants. Wingnuts are bellowing like ruptured cows about discrimination and lack of civility.

The newspaper biz would call that a “dog bites man” story. Of course the “Fuck Your Feelings” crew — who support a racist, sexist, xenophobic demagogue because they’re tired of “political correctness” — melt like extra-dainty snowflakes the minute they get a taste of their own medicine.

But non-wingnuts are aghast at the incivility of denying Sarah Huckabee Sanders a pan-seared pork chop too. Here are a couple of samples:

Cute play on the “red states, blue states” thing, huh? And below, Balloon Juice’s favorite Beltway reporter from the NYT retweets The Post’s anti-heckling editorial:

These smoking hot takes fail to take into account a few relevant factors. First, when our country is caging babies and toddlers, we’ve moved beyond the realm of political discussion. I’ve had this argument with my Trumpster relatives, who profess to be stunned by my refusal to “agree to disagree.” This isn’t Democrat vs. Republican anymore; it’s good vs. evil.

Second, what recourse do we have? An erratic, lying demagogue is remaking the country in his vile image, and the institutions that exist to check presidential behavior like rampant thievery, failure to protect democracy and open subversion of the rule of law have instead rolled over and piddled on their own bellies. So what the fuck else are we supposed to do?

And that brings me to the third thing the Tone Police are missing here: They’d best hope the reaction to Trump and his minions’ outrageous behavior remains as tame as denial of entrees and feature films. That’s actually a fairly mild response to an administration declaring itself above the law, crapping on the US Constitution and interning children.

Anyone who’s ever been a clinic escort, public gun control advocate, canvasser for Democratic candidates, identifiable as a liberal woman or minority online, etc., already knows what it’s like when wingnuts “find their own special moment.” I’ve lived in their “special moment” for all of my adult life and have been admonished to “respect their feelings” for decades.

Fuck their feelings, and fuck the tone police. If we don’t stand up to oppose an administration this destructive, we don’t deserve a democracy.

I still believe our best hope is to vote these pricks out of office, and I’m doing what I can to make that happen. But I’ll be damned if I’ll treat these authoritarian goons like patriotic Americans who just happen to hold different views.

271 replies
  1. 1
    Roger Moore says:

    Fuck the Tone Police

    And Betty said it with authority.

  2. 2
    TaMara (HFG) says:

    Fuck all of them. These people SHOULD NOT be accepted in society. They should have to live out their lives in exile, if not prison. And after anyone of those tweets or editorials, people should swarm the post with the group of photos of trump voters and their t-shirts and signs.

  3. 3
    Yarrow says:

    Betty, hope everything is going okay after whatever was happening Friday.

    Also, this twitter thread should be included.

    1. Unsurprisingly, this bit of kneejerk onanism from the WaPo editorial board completely misses the significance of this whole episode. In fact, it gets it wrong in exactly the same way Very Serious People have been getting in wrong in DC for decades. https://t.co/I5isNFt01N— David Roberts (@drvox) June 24, 2018

    From the thread.

    12. That what's the owner of the Red Hen was doing by refusing to serve Sanders: saying, No. This is not just a normal political dispute that can remain confined to the political sphere. You cannot support this & still expect to be treated like a normal, decent person.— David Roberts (@drvox) June 24, 2018

    The whole thing is great. He’s right and it’s good to see people standing up. The Very Serious People, Villagers, Beltway class, whatever you call them need to take a seat.

    Edit to fix second tweet.

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    columbusqueen says:

    Amen, Betty. Time to tell rightwing scum what they are–& yeah, fuck their feelings.

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    Rileys Enabler says:

    If there was a “like” button my fingers would be bloody from the smushing of it. I’m done with “quietly respecting their special moments”. They lost that advantage when they put children in cages. His doubling down today of tossing immigrants out without any kind of due process was fucking terrifying. I’m done being nice and quiet. Signed up with Beto’s organization to do what I can in TX. Nuke them all from orbit, it’s the only way. **Edit to add I bought a Gift Certificate on the Red Hen’s website (VA ). In the notes asked them not to mail it but to donate it to staff in need. Proud of them.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    And you can still hear morons in the background saying, “She (Pam Bondi) doesn’t care!”

    Gee, thanks for that hot take asshole. She probably doesn’t atm, but making her life miserable will make her care.

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    opiejeanne says:

    Well said, Betty.
    I have had it up to here with being expected to just agree to disagree. This is not some petty argument over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, this really is a choice between good and evil.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    I’m still trying to figure out what Mr. Rogers could possibly mean to the likes of Pam Bondi. She clearly has never absorbed any of his message.

    Did I miss an update on Grandma Cracker? Still holding her in the light as well as a Jew from the Bronx can.

    P.S. oh piddle, my nym/email are gone again.

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    Tilda Swintons Bald Cap says:

    Fuck the SCOTUS as well.

  10. 10
    Roger Moore says:

    Let the Trump Team Eat in Peace

    Sorry. No justice, no peace.

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    eric says:

    Should we smile and just serve fresh tea and crackers to Himler? No. But, the other side would say that is fine for Nazis, but we are not Nazis. And my retort, when you stop acting and talking like Nazis, I can once again treat you like you are not a nazi. Until that time, you are a Nazi, talking about others like vermin and infestations, and putting children and families into camps while suspending due process.

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    germy says:

    the incivility of denying Sarah Huckabee Sanders a pan-seared pork chop.

    Wait… are you accusing her of attempted cannibalism?

  13. 13
    rikyrah says:

    @Yarrow:

    This was an excellent thread

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    eponymous says:

    *standing ovation*
    I am so totally over being nice. I might even go so far as to issue a sternly worded remonstration right into someone’s face.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    fuck their feelings. Really. I have not yet begun to be truly “uncivil”, but I think it’s time to go there.

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    rikyrah says:

    A baker is told that they can refuse someone – that they don’t know- just because of -WHO THEY ARE.

    But, people offended by PURE UNADULTERATED EVIL – have to grin and bear those instituting said policy, and using the BIBLE to justify it?

    Get.the.ENTIRE.PHUCK.OUTTA.HERE.

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    germy says:

    Watched the first half hour of CBS This Morning.

    Gayle King said she was “very sad” about the incivility. Her cohosts Norah O’Donnell and John Dickerson were sad, also.

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    Groucho48 says:

    How many tweets/articles have Axelrod and Haberman made criticizing the right for insisting they can discriminate against anyone they want?

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    PPCLI says:

    Also important to remember: It is essential to support the Red Hen. If you live close to them, please drive there to give them your business. (And please keep doing it after the news furor has faded.) If you are planning a trip to the area, please make a trip there for a meal or two part of your plans. And please tip extra-generously.

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    MattF says:

    There is, in fact, a connection between character and what you do. And (hint!) it’s not difficult or subtle.

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    Calouste says:

    You’d think that the professed Christians would recognize that the people of the Red Henry etc are just following the Bible, specifically Matthew 7:12

    Do to others what you want them to do to you

    SHS is treating other people like shit, so she wants to be treated like shit.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Ohio Mom: My gran’s fight is over, but thank you for thinking of us. I may post about it later. Still adjusting to a world without her — and thinking of how lucky I was to have had her in my life so long.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    For the collection: the WaPo’s David Ignatius, another both sides Villager, weighed in on the SHS Red Hen story:

    Hard to imagine an incident that would be more helpful to Trump White House and more harmful to its critics than this refusal to serve a senior government official, however troubling her views.

    (David Ignatius, David Broder, David Brooks, David Axelrod — I love the name, but this begins to worry me. Thank gods for David Fahrenthold.)

    ETA: And thank gods for David Roberts in Yarrow’s comment #3.

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    Brachiator says:

    This isn’t Democrat vs. Republican anymore; it’s good vs. evil.

    Yep. Some people want to limit this to politics. But no one in the Trump administration deserves a moment’s peace while they persist in engaging in government sponsored kidnapping.

    And Trump justifies his actions by escalating bigotry and scapegoating to new levels. A hate spewing demagogue president cannot become the new normal.

    We have elected officials openly saying that only American children need to be treated like human beings. How fucking civil is that?

    This evil cannot be allowed to stand or remain just the subject of polite discussion.

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    rikyrah says:

    We’re supposed to care about their feelings?
    Phuck all these muthaphuckas.

    They’ve been trying, since the beginning of this horror show, to tell us how to act and to behave.
    We we marched – clutched the pearls.
    When we confront folks – clutched the pearls.
    When we write, call, and tweet, telling you to stop writing articles about muthaphuckas who showed their lack of character by voting for Dolt45-clutch the pearls.

    We are NOT going along, so that you, who didn’t do their phucking job in 2016, can feel better.

    It’s as much YOUR FAULT, as it is those muthaphuckas who voted for him. YOU SHARE THE BLAME.

    They are LITERALLY DESTROYING CHILDREN..
    and, we’re supposed to be chided into being civil with these muthaphuckas.

    GET.THE.ENTIRE.PHUCK.OUTTA.HERE.

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    By all means shame them in public. But more importantly vote them out of office.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Sorry, BC, for your loss :(

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    eponymous says:

    Apparently, Meghan McCain reacted with the typical horrified pearl-clutching to the… the INCIVILITY! And someone pointed out to her, on Twitter, that her husband’s website had just that week published an article by someone recommending *scalping* libruls. Just joking, of course.

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    rikyrah says:

    Oakland residents call cops on uniformed black firefighter conducting yard inspections
    Travis Gettys TRAVIS GETTYS
    25 JUN 2018 AT 10:47 ET

    A uniformed black firefighter was reported to police by alarmed residents as he conducted city-mandated inspections near homes in Oakland.

    Kevin Moore was carrying a radio and clipboard as he conducted yearly vegetation inspections, when a neighbor called police to report him as suspicious, reported the San Francisco Chronicle.

    His colleague Megan Bryan was also serving May 16 when she got a call from a 911 dispatcher asking whether firefighters were doing the checks, and she knew why the caller was alarmed — which angered her.

    “I knew that he was the one on that street,” Bryan said, pointing out that white firefighters were never reported as suspicious.

    Another resident emailed home security footage earlier that day to a community liaison officer, who then forwarded the footage to the fire department official who oversees the inspections.

    “It’s obvious he’s doing an inspection,” said Vince Crudele, of the Oakland Fire Department. “Kevin’s wearing his blue wool firefighter pants, he’s got a radio and (a department) jacket and shirt on.”

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    Platonailedit says:

    Let the trump team eat in peace? While they wilfully act to do the exactly opposite for others? Go FY, wapo edit board.

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    Kelly says:

    My dear departed first wife worked for a OB/GYN that considered abortion an integral part of his practice. When she started it was a few procedures a month but he was outspoken, gave interviews. The local anti-choicer’s targeted his clinic for protests and even an inept arson attempt. Within a few years abortion was his entire practice because what pregnant women wants to wade thru a hostile mob? For a while he wore a bulletproof vest and carried a 9mm. Eventually closed his suburban clinic a moved to a downtown Portland tower where security could be more easily managed. A few of my wingnut relatives were passive aggresive ass holes letting me know they were praying for us. One wing nut aunt had had a baby with him and thought he was the best doc ever until the protests started. Yeah the right wing has always been civil

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    hedgehog the occasional commenter says:

    Preach, Betty. Thank you.

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    germy says:

    @rikyrah: Someone on twitter said white people are using 9-1-1 like customer service.

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    prufrock says:

    I’m sure Mr. Rogers would also not be cool with Pam Bondi stealing a dog.

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    hedgehog the occasional commenter says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Her views aren’t “troubling”, they are fucking evil. But you knew that :)

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    eric says:

    The VSP never want to have to take a side…they live their lives about the common folk. They never have to worry about money, or health care, or their children being rounded up and sent away. They dont want to be too opinionated in the wrong way, but only in the “it’s just business kind of way” that allows people to coexist in DC. They are cynical careerists, preening for the cameras and the debutante balls. (If you have not read Lewis Lapham’s “Versailles on the Potomac,” do so. Sadly, it has not lost its bite over the years.)

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    smintheus says:

    @germy: American journalists have been knuckling under to Republican incivility for decades. But they’re always “sad” when Democrats push back against Republican ruthlessness.

    Now they’re defending a public official who makes it her job to serve the public a stead diet of lies. They must want to live in an authoritarian state, where the “news” is prepared by others for them and their job is to pretend to do their job.

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    Brachiator says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    For the collection: the WaPo’s David Ignatius, another both sides Villager, weighed in on the SHS Red Hen story:

    Hard to imagine an incident that would be more helpful to Trump White House and more harmful to its critics than this refusal to serve a senior government official, however troubling her views.

    Let them eat at Applebees!

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    petesh says:

    Yay, Betty! Yay, commentariat! None of these assholes would dare show their face in public where I live, but some of their liberal enablers may, and they deserve as much.

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    dmsilev says:

    I don’t know who came up with it originally, but I like the phasing that as Martin Luther King Jr. would have it, Sarah Huckabee Sanders was judged not by the color of her skin but by the content of her character.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Rileys Enabler: Excellent idea about a gift certificate for the staff. I did the same.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    I believe the Red Hen owner was quite polite to SHS when she declined to serve her. Sounds like sufficient civility to me.

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    germy says:

    @smintheus:

    American journalists have been knuckling under to Republican incivility for decades. But they’re always “sad” when Democrats push back against Republican ruthlessness.

    I think it was someone here who said that for years they’ve been ticketing Democrats for jaywalking while Republicans speed by at 100mph.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    Didn’t Sherman say something to the effect to the South when they were horrified to see an American army running amok in their own towns “You called down the whirlwind”

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    mapaghimagsik says:

    Having been in these kinds of areas, the Trumpies have never been civil. They just don’t like it when it happens to them.

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    jacy says:

    Fuck civility. Drive them all weeping from public life.

    My ex once tsked at me for calling his parents racists. I will tell everybody what I told him, “If you don’t want to be called a racist, try not being a fucking racist.”

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    Ajabu says:

    They are LITERALLY DESTROYING CHILDREN..
    and, we’re supposed to be chided into being civil with these muthaphuckas.

    GET.THE.ENTIRE.PHUCK.OUTTA.HERE.

    Couldn’t agree more, sister girl. I have NO FUCKS TO GIVE for any of them.
    I’ve taken to wearing as much Obama garb (hats, t-shirts, etc.) as I own every time I’m in public.
    Just waiting for one of these Mofos to say something. Funny thing, nobody mentions it. I must be traveling in the right circles…

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    smintheus says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: What these episodes tell me is that Democrats are signaling that if they’re given power they’ll fight for what the believe in.

    Republicans get a lot of mileage politically from their well deserved reputation for fighting to the bitter end for anything they claim to hold dear, no matter how stupid or perverse. If David Axelrod is arguing that Democrats should signal that they’re mushy in their fight against Trump’s authoritarianism, then he’s lost his mind.

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    jl says:

    Trumpsters and allies in Congress are spouting,explicitly, ‘nits make lice’ arguments, want to eliminate due process inside US borders. What kind of tone is that?
    But we are not supposed to say, because it is deemed ‘uncivil’.

    Why is it ‘civil’ and we are all supposed to furrow our brows and worry about not offending people, when many people, some in political office, talk about some mythical Constitutional right to a ‘second amendment solution’, aka ‘we can shoot up the place if we get pissed off about whatever’, but we are supposed to worry about people getting jeered by an outraged populace.

    I personally think SHS should have been able to eat her meal and Bondi should be able to see the movie. But, the restaurant was within its rights to deny service and people are within their rights to express their opinion. IF the management thought the customers were out of line, they could have told them to shut up and call the cops, right?. It is Florida, where if they are white and choose to brandish a weapon, they can shoot anyone who they can claim someone looked at them funny. So, that’s civility in these our Great United States these days.

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    Neldob says:

    Well, at least we are not running them over with cars or shooting them (Dr Tiller, etc.). Maybe this is a form of rioting. The personal size riot, aimed more strategically, causing no death or destruction.

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    Josie says:

    Did any of these mealy mouthed VSP’s ever write a column about the t-shirts in evidence at Trump rallies that read “Fuck Your Feelings?” I think not. Strange how that works.

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    eponymous says:

    But you know, guize, bothsidesdoit. The right is supporting treason, child abuse, and destruction of the country, but libruls are…. uncivil.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Betty, I’m so sorry. I do hope you can tell us some stories about your gran later on. I’m guessing she was quite a character, in the best possible sense of that word. In the meantime, my condolences to you and the rest of the Cracker clan.

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    NotMax says:

    Being denied service of a meal doesn’t approach being within a light year to being denied liberty.

    Sarah, take your doggie bag of small potatoes with you to whatever dank, dark, pestilent hole you inhabit.

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    hitchhiker says:

    Sanders is the willing face of this administration. She’s not just a nice young mom trying to do a job and being punished because people think her boss is a dangerous, corrupt fool. If she had any morals, she’d have quit a long time ago.

    And David effing Axelrod can go stuff himself, assuming he’s not already so full of his own self-righteousness. If he wants a civil conversation, he can go down to the border and have one with some refugees & then report in.

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    Ajabu says:

    I’ll just leave this here…
    I was in a grocery store yesterday and saw a middle aged white man (a John Cole looking type) wearing an Obama/Biden t-shirt.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Betty Cracker: I’m very sorry, Betty. :-( Remember the good times.

    Best wishes,
    Scott.

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    Humdog says:

    I am very sorry for your loss, Betty. Please take extra care of yourself in the coming months. You have lost a large source of goodness in your life, and her goodness gave you strength to fight this bullshit tsunami. You may find it tougher to find the fortitude to keep fighting, but then you have her stellar example to rely on. May the treasure of memories of her sustain you.

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    NotMax says:

    In moderation? Please to liberate if so.

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    Kay says:

    The “senior government official” bit is bizarre.

    It’s disrespectful to lie to people, and Sarah is a liar. Why would it matter if she’s a “senior government official”?

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    Josie says:

    Did any of these mealy mouthed VSP’s ever write a column about the t-shirts in evidence at Trump rallies that read, “Fuck Your Feelings?” I think not. Funny how that works.

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    NotMax says:

    @Betty Cracker

    99 is a helluva run.

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    jl says:

    Important tweet from Paul Krugman:
    @paulkrugman
    So Trump wants to expel illegal immigrants without due process. To say the obvious, who determines if they’re illegal? Suppose an ICE agent stops me on the street and says “you’re illegal”; at what point do I get to show evidence that I’m not? 1/
    https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1011241388690812928

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    Sloane Ranger says:

    @Betty Cracker: I’m so sorry Betty. My brother passed away unexpectedly on 8 June so I know what you are going through.

    My thoughts are with you.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    Hear, hear. Betty Cracker, back and swinging for the trees! (not “swinging from the trees”).

    ETA: And condolences on your gran’s passing.

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    Ken B says:

    @opiejeanne:

    Cool. If anyone else decides to do this, make certain that it’s the Red Hen in Virginia and not the Red Hen in DC.

    They’re not connected.

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    gratuitous says:

    The nub of it is right there: “What recourse do we have?” This wasn’t a James O’Keefe “sting” or a Jessie Watters ambush video. This was a citizen doing what she could to confront this heinous administration when it came walking into her establishment. The response was quite mild, considering the direct actions Sanders has taken to oppress our citizens and suppress dissent.

    I have read others in other venue argue that Red Hen should have followed the lead of the Hamilton cast when Mike Pence took in their show: A heartfelt statement of concern directed to the Vice President at the end of the performance. Yeah, and how did that work out? What good did it do? Did it change anything? The administration went on to loot the Treasury, and kidnap thousands of children, separating them from their families. Now a churlish restaurateur has gone so far as to make Sarah Huckabee Sanders feel a sad! The nation weeps. Left with no alternative, Sanders uses her government provided twitter account to lash back with support from no less than the President of the United States. Speak truth to power, Sarah!

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    Rob in CT says:

    I guess the crowd at the theatre didn’t want to be “infested” with Pam Bondi. Aww.

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    eponymous says:

    My condolences on your grandmother, Betty.

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    Felanius Kootea says:

    @Betty Cracker: My condolences on your loss, Betty.

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    eponymous says:

    @Rob in CT: I would like the country to not be infested with Trumproaches and MAGAts.

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    Mike S says:

    @Rileys Enabler: Great Idea! I just ordered a $100 gift certificate too! Although I want mine, because for now I’m going to frame it!

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    Kay says:

    Everyone listened to the political professionals in media in 2016 and Trump won.

    I don’t know what people should do, but I do know we should stop listening to political pundits.

    Trump has gotten worse since he was elected. He gets worse every day. The lies he tells are accepted as fact by millions and millions of people. Whatever they’re doing to stop that, it’s not working. They have been completely ineffective in countering him or holding him accountable. I don’t think they have any clue how to deal with this- they use the same methods and approaches they’ve been using for 30 years and it just keeps getting worse.

    Trump announced over the weekend he won’t be following any immigration laws- he announced he’s suspending due process for anyone he or his administration suspect of illegality- that could include anyone.

    It’s not getting better. It’s getting worse. They failed at covering him in 2016 and they’re still failing.

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    Platonailedit says:

    A campaign to help reunite immigrant families separated at the border has raised more than $20,000,000 on Facebook, in what Facebook says is its largest single fundraiser ever.

    https://t.co/XvemCsv8KN— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) June 25, 2018

    This is the real america, unlike the one that is being gaslighted by the rethugs kissing msm minions.

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    JWL says:

    “Look Forward, Not Back” = Rep. Peter King (R-NY) echoed this sentiment, telling TPM: “This immediate crisis seems to be going away. And if they aren’t arresting families every weekend, then yeah, it’s going away, from the public eye. And if it’s not in the public eye, if you don’t have the dramatic footage, there is always another issue that comes along. There’s a new issue every week.”

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    SWMBO says:

    @Betty Cracker: Peace and comfort to you and your family.

    My sister replied to something I said on FB: Your statement became stupid when you said Obama didn’t do this. Remember the 2014 picture they dropped at Trumps doorstep? Your political bias shows and it is unbecoming

    My reply: What the fuck are you talking about? I didn’t say Obama didn’t do this. I am now because if he had done it, it would have been all over the news. My political bias is I’m against separating families who are seeking asylum here. I’m also against detention without end. “Unbecoming”?! Fuck off.

    She complained recently that she was tired of everyone treating her like she’s an idiot (she’s a cardiac step down nurse). I came *this close* to telling her to stop acting like and idiot and see if things improve.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @hedgehog the occasional commenter:

    Ignatius’ use of the word “troubling” was a masterpiece of meiosis.

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    Jeffro says:

    @eric:

    The VSP never want to have to take a side…they live their lives about the common folk. They never have to worry about money, or health care, or their children being rounded up and sent away.

    Exactly.

    Not taking a side in a time of great evil IS taking a side.

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    jl says:

    Thing is, Tapper is going to look constipated and Matthews is going to spew all over the set and get outraged at random stuff no matter what you do, so the whole debate is pointless.

    I think Matthews was the media news diva who thought ‘civility’ dictated that a Democrat from a district Matthews deemed ‘Red’ should switch parties after he was elected. Josh Marshall has a tweet this morning that said that lack of civility was anyone else adopting political tactics the GOP introduced two election cycles ago. I think that sums it up. So, people can heckle if they want. Better than yelling about a second amendment solution, so heckling passes any sensible GOP civility test.

    Edit: GOP, Fox, Trumpster going in a fascist direction. Time to say it out loud, and be willing to explain specific instances and challenge anyone to argue otherwise.

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    Mike in DC says:

    Why be civil to racists, fascists, misogynists, homophobes, islamophobes, antisemites, transphobed and other bigots?
    Because it’s what beltway etiquette demands? Fuck that noise. Just be uncivil, and whenever asked about it, point out the actions and beliefs of those you shun, and turn the question around on the interviewer, “why are YOU civil and polite and friendly to those who do and say all these terrible things? What is wrong with YOU”

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    brendancalling says:

    That Axlerod clip makes me want to stab someone in the dick with a pickle fork. “Oh no red plates and blue plates”, is that man fucking MENTALLY DEFICIENT?

    I for one have no problem with any of this. Behave like a shitty person in public, get treated like a shitty person BY the public.

    Frankly, if I was ANY of these idiots, I would NEVER go to restaurants. Never. I worked as a cook back in the 1980s-1990s, and god help the customers the wait staff didn’t like, because they’d get what we used to call “the Special”.

    But yeah, Axelrod making a poopy in his diaper. Clown.

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    aimai says:

    Hear Hear Betty! I could not agree more!

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    Kay says:

    The Trump Administration laughs at these people and flips them the bird. Pruitt is grossly corrupt. It’s been extensively documented. They are NEVER going to fire him.

    They don’t give a shit what these institutional actors do or say. Why should anyone else?

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    oclday says:

    Though I might not heckle someone, I certainly have compassion for those who are so frustrated and angered by this administration that they are compelled to share their feelings with those who refuse to listen/hear to their pain and concerns.
    Why is it that Trump voters are supposed to be sympathized with for their behavior (read votes) and liberals are shamed for theirs.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Josie:

    Did any of these mealy mouthed VSP’s ever write a column about the t-shirts in evidence at Trump rallies that read, “Fuck Your Feelings?” I think not. Funny how that works.

    44 and his entire family were called everything but a child of God for 8 years, and when we brought it up, we were told that folks had ‘freedom of expression’.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Brachiator:

    Let them eat at Applebees!

    Salad bar for everyone!

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:

    The Trump Administration laughs at these people and flips them the bird. Pruitt is grossly corrupt. It’s been extensively documented. They are NEVER going to fire him.

    They don’t give a shit what these institutional actors do or say. Why should anyone else?

    Tell it, Kay.

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    Calouste says:

    @jl: That’s the whole purpose. “Close to the borders” for ICE is within 100 miles. They can pick up anyone and deport them or put them in a camp, because most people don’t carry proof of residency. And of course even if they do, ICE can just destroy it. What are you going to do if you don’t have access to a lawyer or even a judge?

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    Brachiator says:

    @Kay:

    Trump announced over the weekend he won’t be following any immigration laws- he announced he’s suspending due process for anyone he or his administration suspect of illegality- that could include anyone.

    Trump is about a rally or two away from declaring that he does not have to uphold the Constitution of the United States.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Mike in DC:

    Why be civil to racists, fascists, misogynists, homophobes, islamophobes, antisemites, transphobed and other bigots?
    Because it’s what beltway etiquette demands? Fuck that noise

    Clap clap Clap.

    To be honest…I don’t have THE LUXURY to be civil to them…because they mean nothing BUT hostility to me and mine.

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    Platonailedit says:

    It’s always projection with the traitorous thug.

    But perhaps those in glass restaurants shouldn’t throw stones. Compared to the Red Hen, some of Trump’s own restaurants seem like the bathroom of a dive bar the morning after a live show.

    The Lexington, Virginia-based restaurant, which caused a Trumpworld uproar when it refused to serve White House press secretary Sarah Sanders on Friday, passed its most recent health inspection with flying colors. State authorities found no violations when they visited the restaurant in February, and gave the Red Hen their best possible health-risk rating.

    By contrast, the conditions of restaurants at Trump’s hotels and resorts have ranged from moderately unsanitary to outright revolting.

    In April, Washington D.C. inspectors visited the Trump International Hotel and found 10 health-code violations, including raw meat stored above ready-to-eat foods and containers of flour stored next to a hand sink that lacked a splash guard. Inspectors also found that the hotel was operating a number of on-site kitchens without city permits to do so.

    The hotel was given a “moderate risk” rating based on that visit.

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    PJ says:

    @Betty Cracker: Very sorry for your loss.

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    Jeffro says:

    @jl:(Krugman tweet)

    So Trump wants to expel illegal immigrants without due process. To say the obvious, who determines if they’re illegal? Suppose an ICE agent stops me on the street and says “you’re illegal”; at what point do I get to show evidence that I’m not?

    Exactly. And if you ask this of a wingnut, they will tell you it doesn’t matter, it won’t happen to them (or to Krugman, for that matter). And when they say that…ask them how they know that. Because it’s true – no ICE agent is going to stop a wingnut and expel him/her from the country. Because wingnuts are white, that’s why.

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    rikyrah says:

    Dr. King had these muthaphuckas nailed a half-century ago

    ………………..

    Dr. King: “[the white moderate] who constantly says “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can’t agree with your methods of direct action;”

    The WaPo: “Those who are insisting that we are in a special moment justifying incivility . . . .” pic.twitter.com/2Ci8SOfssd

    — Mangy Jay (@magi_jay) June 24, 2018

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    JPL says:

    I can’t believe we are still talking about this shit. The owner should have directed the chef to serve them Minny’s chocolate pie on the house.

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    rikyrah says:

    Judge in case contesting Trump’s family separation policy speeds up the clock: Federal government has until tomorrow morning, Pacific time, to respond before he rules on proposed injunction. pic.twitter.com/PaG3tOOfKG

    — Roque Planas (@RoqPlanas) June 25, 2018

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    JPL says:

    @Betty Cracker: I’d rather read a post about a woman who gave so much, rather than a racist bigot. I’m truly sorry that you had to say goodbye.

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    Kay says:

    Sanders used a government account to attack the restaurant.

    Will she ever be held accountable for that? It’s okay if the Trump people break the rules? Everyone else has to abide by the code except the President and his low quality hires?

    People want to see some accountability and they’re not seeing it. That’s why they are acting up. Every time the Trump people aren’t held accountable for following laws and rules the Trump people take that as permission to go further. They are WORSE than they were in January of 2016. They get worse every month. Nothing happens.

    So, people do what they can do, and what they can do is refuse to take part in this- they refuse to pretend this is okay.

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    cain says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    @Ohio Mom: My gran’s fight is over, but thank you for thinking of us. I may post about it later. Still adjusting to a world without her — and thinking of how lucky I was to have had her in my life so long.

    So sorry for your loss, Betty.

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    rikyrah says:

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday handed a victory to Texas Republicans by reviving electoral districts drawn by the state legislature that had been thrown out by a lower court for diluting the influence of black and Hispanic voters.

    In a 5-4 ruling, the conservative-majority court largely accepted the state’s argument that the Republican-led Texas legislature acted in good faith when it adopted new electoral maps in 2013 for state legislative and U.S. congressional seats. Republican President Donald Trump’s administration had backed Texas in the case. The court did rule, however, that one of the state legislature districts was unlawful.

    https://www.politicususa.com/2018/06/25/u-s-top-court-largely-backs-texas-republicans-over-electoral-maps.html

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Betty Cracker: I was afraid of that. My deepest condolences, it’s a big loss.

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    HeleninEire says:

    @Rileys Enabler: Thank you for the idea. On my way to do the same.

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    Tokyokie says:

    I’m sure had Jewish bakers greeted those handsome lads of the Sturmabteilung with free bagels and blintzes on Krystallnacht then surely their storefront windows would have been saved, and who knows? Maybe their names would have been on the second Dachau manifest rather than the first.

    And yes, I realize I just compared the Trump administration with Nazis, but if state-sponsored terrorism in the advance of a decidedly racist agenda doesn’t make the comparison apt, then fuck you along with the tone police.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Calouste: Last week or over the weekend (not sure, I’ve been of the grid for a few days) ICE agents were stopping cars on I-95 near Bangor, Maine, to ask them about citizenship. The shortest route to the Canadian border from Bangor is about 90 miles (taking I-95 all the way, it’s 120 or so.) That’s really pushing the limits, IMO.

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    Shalimar says:

    @rikyrah: This point times 1000. You know who approves of the way Sarah Sanders was treated? Sarah Sanders, as long as it happens to someone she disapproves of.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Tokyokie: Mike Godwin said a couple of weeks ago that that’s not a violation.

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    MomSense says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Condolences to you and your family, BC. A good grandparent is one of the greatest things in the world.

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    cain says:

    @rikyrah:
    Working while black. How much we want to bet it is a white woman in her 40s? You know, I attended a PoC thing at a women’s home and they women there all talked about how they couldn’t trust white women. At the time I didn’t understand. In fact, my entire perception on race was turned on its ear that day. I’m truly a privileged person even as a darkie. I still think about that day, a lot.

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    NotMax says:

    @Siubhan Duinne

    “We apologize for the absence of lettuce at the salad bar. There was no one left willing to pick it. Lettuce bowls have been replaced with our luscious Russian dressing for the convenience of out clientele.”

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    Kay says:

    @Jeffro:

    Which should be pretty fucking alarming to people since Trump is sending ICE onto buses to demand peoples papers.

    Right now it’s all fun and games and people recording the stops on cell phones. ICE has actual police power. It’s not a joke and it’s not a political tactic. Do you really want due process to depend on Donald Trump and Jeff Sessions? The creeps who decided taking little kids from their parents was an acceptable deterrent?

    They have to follow the law. This isn’t a reality tv show. They can take people into custody. They’re powerful. What is the plan here? We wait politely until they start picking random people up if they’re w/in a hundred miles of a border?

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    randy khan says:

    I get the impulse to crave civility. I crave it, too.

    I want people on the other side to remember that their political opponents are people, too. I would like not to be told I’m a “libtard” (but go ahead and call me a social justice warrior – I don’t consider that an insult) or that I need to “wake up,” or that someone will use “Second Amendment solutions” on me and my kind. I’d like people to make good faith arguments, and not to be openly racist. I’d like not to have to respond to someone on Facebook who tells me that his solution for illegal immigration is to deploy the Army at the border and kill anyone who crosses improperly. (Yeah, somebody did that. I told him he was a monster and, miraculously, that shut him up. At least for a while.) But instead I get all of that, plus being told to shut up because my side lost the last Presidential election.

    So, no, I’m not sympathetic to people who say that the left is descending into incivility. Actually, I want them to shut up.

    And, for the record, if someone is sufficiently horrible, I’m entirely on board with that person being shunned. If, oh, Pol Pot had showed up at a D.C. restaurant and been recognized, I’d have taken note of whether the restaurant served him or showed him the door. I don’t think it would be a problem if O.J. Simpson couldn’t get into a golf club based on what he did. And this Administration has treated some groups so horrifically that serving them in a restaurant not only could hurt your business, but also could make it hard to keep and hire staff. As Anthony Bourdain, may he rest in peace, said in Kitchen Confidential, it’s pretty hard to run a restaurant of any size without hiring a ton of people who came to the U.S. from Latin American countries, so maybe it wouldn’t be in your business interests to knowingly serve Nielsen, or Sessions, or Sanders.

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    Platonailedit says:

    @rikyrah: They really want apartheid amurka to happen.

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    PPCLI says:

    @Betty Cracker: My deepest condolences, Betty.

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    JDM says:

    Did not one of these reporters remember the Town Hall meetings where Tea Party members screamed at Democratic members of Congress? Not even one?

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Betty Cracker:
    Sorry for your loss.

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    germy says:

    Much more important than ~takes~ about civility or “why trump won” is that the GOP has successfully entrenched itself via gerrymanders, filibusters, and the judiciary to be very insulated from public opinion. https://t.co/qiCo4ObKW0
    — Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) June 25, 2018

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @gratuitous: And when the Hamilton cast did that to Pence the pearl-clutchers clutched their pearls anyway. I don’t care what David Ignatius thinks. I’m tired of hearing that our side is supposed to be the “bigger man” metaphorically. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. Act hideous and you void the presumption of getting treated with kindness. Trump’s WHOLE THING is that he’s hateful and incites hatred. That’s what the people who support him like about him. Why isn’t this his fault, their fault? How could it possibly be “our” fault? Fuck everybody.

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    satby says:

    @Rileys Enabler: the gift certificate and donating it to staff in need is a great idea! Thanks, I’m going to do that too.

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    MagdaInBlack says:

    @rikyrah:
    I love you 👍

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    brantl says:

    Since when is a press secretary a “senior government official”? Please.

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    Mandalay says:

    This morning everyone on Joe Scarborough’s show were clutching their pearls, and appalled that Sarah Sanders was asked to leave a restaurant. These vile hypocrites – who initially championed Trump for months – have been (justifiably) attacking Sanders every week for the past year. Yet Sanders being asked to leave a restaurant is troubling?

    Joe Scarborough: “When you start shaming people with whom you disagree … we’ve got a problem”.

    The pompous bullshitter Richard Haas: asking her to leave “violates the spirit of the Civil Rights Act”.

    Mika Brzezinski: “Should shouting someone out of a restaurant be tolerated? The answer is not.”

    The reason that they are defending the Administration Republicans being publicly shamed is self-preservation. They have carefully cranked up the hatred for the Trump Administration to 11 in every show since Trump became president, and they fear that they might reap what they have sown. They don’t dare to support the public shaming of Administration officials because that will inspire the public to go after them when they appear in public.

    Complete cowards. Complete hypocrites.

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    Tenar Arha says:

    @Brachiator: Uh, maybe I’m being overly literal, but he just said not to uphold Constitution, since even though he didn’t mention the it, he said “suspension of due process,” which is protected by the Constitution….

    @Betty Cracker: I’m sorry to hear of your loss. My condolences.

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    Kay says:

    I’d just like to remind everyone that the Trump Administration has gone after private businesses before, and it wasn’t because they weren’t served at a restaurant. They went after Amazon because they didn’t like the constitutionally protected political speech in a newspaper.

    No one insulted any of them personally that time. They did it because they have raw, unchecked power and they know it.

    They go after their political enemies and it doesn’t matter WHY.

    The attacks on Amazon were excused and minimized, which gave them license to get worse. If there is ONE thing I would think these political reporters would get it’s an attack on a newspaper, but no one did anything and so now it gets worse.

    Stop appeasing them. It doesn’t work. I don’t know what works, but it’s clear none of these political professionals do either, so I’ll take my chances on public protests. They failed. Institutions failed. Again. That’s why people are turning to self-help.

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    satby says:

    @Betty Cracker: Condolences to you and your family Betty. Looking forward to your post about your grandmother, because she inspired one hella granddaughter.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @Roger Moore:

    Sorry. No justice, no peace.

    No justice, no eats, if you will.

    Has anything this like this ever happened in American history? The Segregationists were never shamed when they went out in public.

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    MomSense says:

    Just ask these tone police idiots to which protected class Huckabee Sanders, Bondi, Miller, or Nielsen, belong to. They are not being denied service because of “immutable characteristics”. Huckabee Sanders is an apologist for child torture. Miller and Nielsen are the architects of child torture. Bondi is just a straight up racist, asshole who will drop cases if the donation is good (allegedly!). All of these things are choices.

    Comparing this to the wedding cake case is incorrect. That bigoted baker refused service because the customer was gay-an immutable characteristic/protected class. That was an actual case of discrimination.

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    CapnMubbers says:

    Where does violating the rule of law stop? If instituted, why would it stop with due process of immigrants?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    ***STANDING OVATION***

    And now to read the comments.

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    Kay says:

    @Mandalay:

    It’s amusing what hits home, isn’t it? Trump attacks their whole fucking profession and all of the outlets they work for, and has SUCCEEDED in discrediting them- they did nothing. But don’t threaten their access to fancy restaurants! That’s a bridge too goddamned far!

    How well is their political commentary working as far as holding any of these people accountable? They get more extreme every day, despite all the sternly worded letter Morning Joe has sent them. Maybe try something else?

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    cain says:

    @Kay:

    Trump announced over the weekend he won’t be following any immigration laws- he announced he’s suspending due process for anyone he or his administration suspect of illegality- that could include anyone.

    I’m organizing a conference, and this is going to be very problematic. Hell, it’s problematic for me going back into the U.S. (I’m leaving for Spain next week ) I’m very concerned about what happens to me. If the guy basically is saying he’s not going to follow laws, I think we are in deep deep shit.

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    Platonailedit says:

    Mr. Dooley: ‘The job of the newspaper is to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable’. The current cabal of corrupt assholes have the exact opposite policy.

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    SRW1 says:

    Could someone hand me an onion. I have trouble shedding any tears for Ms Bondi.

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    NotMax says:

    @Kay

    I can but hope (with some measure of certitude) that the fabled Brink’s trucks are backing up to the Red Hen to be filled from there this week.

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    Origuy says:

    Adam may have more to say about this: Mueller obtains Erik Prince’s computer and phones.

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    cain says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Ignatius’ use of the word “troubling” was a masterpiece of meiosis.

    I had to look up that word, meiosis. Sadly there is no urban dictionary definition. It could definitely use one! :)

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    Downpuppy says:

    Strangely enough, the Tone Police are overlooking massive harrassment of restaurants that happen to be named Red Hen in Connecticut, New Jersey & Washington DC.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:

    Trump has gotten worse since he was elected. He gets worse every day. The lies he tells are accepted as fact by millions and millions of people. Whatever they’re doing to stop that, it’s not working. They have been completely ineffective in countering him or holding him accountable. I don’t think they have any clue how to deal with this- they use the same methods and approaches they’ve been using for 30 years and it just keeps getting worse.

    Trump announced over the weekend he won’t be following any immigration laws- he announced he’s suspending due process for anyone he or his administration suspect of illegality- that could include anyone.

    Yes…that could include ANYONE…
    but, I know, it will include people that look like ME far sooner than it will include folks that look like YOU, Kay.

    I am not noble.

    I support others, because there is NOTHING in the history of this country that makes me believe that it will STOP with the ‘ other’ community. What begins elsewhere ALWAYS winds up at Black folks’ doors.

    ALWAYS.

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    Kay says:

    All this does is cement the proposition that no one in the Trump Administration has to follow any norms or rules. but the unwashed masses have to.

    How is that fair or just? The MOST powerful people ignore the rules and the LEAST powerful have to follow them?

    The restaurant owner said she objected to the fact that Sanders is DISHONEST. That is true. How is it respectful for government officials to lie to the public? Why does this duty only run one way, in the direction of the powerful?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    I’m so sorry. She fought the good fight for longer than anyone expected, and while you will miss her like hell, you can look forward to telling everyone you know stories about how awesome Gran was.

    Have a good old-fashioned Irish wake for her, where everyone stands around with a drink in their hand and tells their best story about her. I’m sure that the celebration of her life will go on long into the night.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @JDM:
    “They were real Americans”

    -MSM

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    cokane says:

    did anybody ever question the tone of the tea party? and yeah, pro lifers have been using a rude protesting strategy for my entire life and not once have i seen hand wringing about it. but, as with all things nowadays, democrats have to play by the rules, republicans aren’t expected to

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    Tokyokie says:

    Pam Bondi made the decision to support the fascist Trump regime. But like many decisions in life, choosing one alternative closes off another. In Bondi’s case, in deciding to vigorously support Trump, she gave up the expectation of being treated civilly in public. Those people at the movie theater jeering her were doing nothing other than legitimately exercising their First Amendment rights. If Bondi doesn’t like it, she can stop enabling fascists.

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    Neldob says:

    Sorry for your loss BC.

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    Kay says:

    @rikyrah:

    That’s true, you more likely than me, but if they’re setting up checkpoints on Maine highways I think someone should do something to stop them. They’re taking inaction as a license to go further because that’s the kind of people they are. They will push until they are STOPPED.

    The Trump Administration is right now in the middle of a huge criminal investigation. They don’t give a shit. The corruption has gotten MORE blatant, not less blatant.

    They’re not worried about federal prosecutors. Trump has gotten more aggressive with each potential crime that is revealed.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @Kay:

    Trump announced over the weekend he won’t be following any immigration laws- he announced he’s suspending due process for anyone he or his administration suspect of illegality- that could include anyone.

    Yes, just like child confiscation. I don’t think even the Right will like this if Trump follows threw.

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    cain says:

    @brendancalling:

    That Axlerod clip makes me want to stab someone in the dick with a pickle fork. “Oh no red plates and blue plates”, is that man fucking MENTALLY DEFICIENT?

    The thing is, as people who care about this issue regardless of politics. The singularly thing we must not do is capitulate to the right wing noise machine. People like Axelrod needs to stop sniffing our collective assholes and tut-tutting about incivility. It’s that gives fodder to the right. It’s a crack in the defense that they’ll use to exploit the entire situation. I know it’s difficult to do because the Non-right (for lack of better term) is a huge umbrella filled with all kinds of people, while the right is almost uniformly white with a smattering of other races. They can easily stick together.

    Ultimately, though we need to tell these pundits to STFU and get the fuck out of the spotlight and we don’t give a shit about them or their opinions.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:

    They’re powerful. What is the plan here? We wait politely until they start picking random people up if they’re w/in a hundred miles of a border?

    2/3 of the population of the United States is within that 100 mile border.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    Charles P. Pierce weighs in on the civility question, and is wonderfully shrill about it.

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    Kathleen says:

    @Tokyokie: If only the Jews in Warsaw Ghetto had been civil.

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    MomSense says:

    @Kay:

    We’re working on it.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:

    Stop appeasing them. It doesn’t work. I don’t know what works, but it’s clear none of these political professionals do either, so I’ll take my chances on public protests. They failed. Institutions failed. Again. That’s why people are turning to self-help.

    Self-help.
    That’s on point, Kay.

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    Tokyokie says:

    @cain:

    Trump announced over the weekend he won’t be following any immigration laws- he announced he’s suspending due process for anyone he or his administration suspect of illegality- that could include anyone.

    If the spousal unit and I were to venture down to Corpus Christi for a couple of days, we’d be sure to carry our U.S. passports with us, because we’d have to go through at least one roadblock on the way back. And now I wonder whether even that would be sufficient.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    I don’t think even the Right will like this

    They only picture it happening to “Mexicans,” most of whom aren’t even Mexican, but that doesn’t stop them from thinking it. Maybe some people in turbans, a/k/a terrorists. Otherwise they won’t care at all. They hate and fear brown people. They want someone to hurt them. That’s why they are Republicans. That’s what the Republican Party stands for.

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    Kay says:

    @rikyrah:

    I’m much more worried about the restaurant owner than I am Sarah Sanders. The Trump people have the full weight of completely unchecked federal power to go after her, and they’re using their offices to do that. Sanders was speaking as the press secretary of the United States. She’s throwing her weight around, and she’s using her position as a “senior government offocial” to do it. Now the President is going after the restaurant owner.

    What exactly are we waiting for? Until they actually start locking up their political enemies? I mean, they RAN on locking up political enemies and we were all quiet. They took that as “let’s use the federal government to go after them!” What next?

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    Calouste says:

    @Kay: The people they want to pick up aren’t random. Think non-white Democratic candidates for office and party activists.

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    Kay says:

    @MomSense:

    It really doesn’t need saying at this point but can we reflect for a moment on how completely full of shit libertarians are?

    Live free or die, my ass. They’re meekly going along with “papers please” – I knew they were useless as far as doing anything, but I thought they’d churn out a coupla bullshit editorials or something. Like little lambs before the mighty Trump and his federal police force.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    No justice, no eats

    Very good!

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    Fuck civility. They cast it aside decades ago.

    When they relearn how to say “Democratic Party”, we can talk.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Kathleen:
    That’s right up there with if only the German Jews had been armed, then the Holocaust would have never happened. Checkmate libs! Bookmark it!

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    Kay says:

    @rikyrah:

    How perfect is that our political media looked at this situation and saw THE PUBLIC as the threat. The huge federal powers Trump was handed and is abusing to his own ends, the Trump hires who use their office to chill speech, that’s all FINE.

    The problem is with the public. Who have no fucking power at all, other than the power to publicly shame these people.

    They deserve to work for official state media. That’s where they’ll all end up, reciting nonsense like those Sinclair drones.

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    MomSense says:

    @Kay:

    They never do anything until it treads on them. Libertarians are NIMBY only.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @rikyrah: Applause!

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Kay:

    What exactly are we waiting for? Until they actually start locking up their political enemies? I mean, they RAN on locking up political enemies and we were all quiet. They took that as “let’s use the federal government to go after them!” What next?

    What exactly could we do that won’t involve people dying and the whole system collapsing into a civil war? I don’t even know what form it would take. Rwanda? Or perhaps several regions that contain liberal majorities would secede, leaving behind a rump United States? I have no idea.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Betty Cracker: I am so sorry to hear this, Betty. She sounds like a wonderful person.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:

    It really doesn’t need saying at this point but can we reflect for a moment on how completely full of shit libertarians are?

    ALWAYS point it out to them, Kay.

    ALWAYS.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Tenar Arha:

    Uh, maybe I’m being overly literal, but he just said not to uphold Constitution, since even though he didn’t mention the it, he said “suspension of due process,” which is protected by the Constitution….

    Fair point.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @rikyrah: Exactly. They sre not being shunned for who they are. It is for the evil they have done. Anything less than shunning makes us collaborators in their actions. They don’t have to sell someone a dog damned cake but we have to accept imprisonment of children and returning refugees to torture and death as just a little political foible, easily overlooked in polite society? I think not!

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    QuaintIrene says:

    Agree with everything youve thrown down in this posting, Betty. As theyve gleefully said for months, Fuck Your Feelings!

    But I still had to smile at this sentence: “rolled over and piddled on their own bellies” Its obvious youve recently adopted a new puppy! ;-)

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    arrieve says:

    @Yarrow: Thanks for posting this. I’m having exactly this argument with a very young friend who doesn’t understand why I won’t just “give them a chance.” This isn’t politics; it’s something much more important. The phrase “beyond the pale” keeps coming to mind these days. Their actions are beyond the pale. It is incumbent on the rest of us to respond accordingly.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @Betty Cracker: So very sorry. Grandmas can be very special people in our lives and their loss can tip the world out of balance for a while.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Kay:

    Trump announced over the weekend he won’t be following any immigration laws- he announced he’s suspending due process for anyone he or his administration suspect of illegality- that could include anyone.

    Yep. He’s doubling down on his bad behavior because that’s what narcissists do. If you tell them not to do something, they’ll do it twice and dare you to stop them. They CANNOT admit to any valid criticism because it threatens their core of insecurity and shame.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @cokane:

    pro lifers have been using a rude protesting strategy for my entire life and not once have i seen hand wringing about it.

    These so call “pro-lifers” reserved the right to murder their opponents.

    The press reminds me of a bad parent who yells at the other childern to make up for their favored child’s bad behavior.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @JDM:

    Did not one of these reporters remember the Town Hall meetings where Tea Party members screamed at Democratic members of Congress? Not even one?

    They did quite a bit of pearl-clutching in 2009 when Barney Frank told a Tea Partier that talking to her was like arguing with a dining room table.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @Ajabu: I wear my DBT Dance Band of The Resistance shirt.

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    The Ancient Randonneur says:

    Condolences on your loss Ms. Cracker.

    Somewhat tangential to this thread I highly recommend the Mr Rogers documentary. Bring a supply of Kleenex in case you happen to sit next to a guy like me. He’s going to need it.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Kay:

    Stop appeasing them. It doesn’t work. I don’t know what works, but it’s clear none of these political professionals do either, so I’ll take my chances on public protests

    Exactly right. These “VSP”s or “Tone Police” or “Villagers” or whatever…they need to stop worrying about our ‘incivility’ riling up Trumpov’s base. They’re ALREADY irritated with us and ALREADY believe/know we look down on them. The GOP is extremely adept at grabbing an outrage from somewhere (anywhere), plastering it all over Fox News, and giving them their hourly dose of hate. And on days when they can’t find a real outrage, they just make shit up. No need to slow down or be ‘civil’, because the GOP sure as hell isn’t going to quit stirring the pot.

    And these same “both sides” folks need to remember: we’re not directly the jeers at Trumpov voters – we’re bringing the heat to Trumpov OFFICIALS…the ones actually creating and implementing these evil policies. They’re the ones that need to understand they are outnumbered and on the wrong side of history.

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    kelly sanders says:

    @Betty Cracker: Much sympathy for your loss. I’m currently thinking of picking huckleberries in the mountains with my grandma and a pack of cousins many summers ago.

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    Brachiator says:

    Interesting commentary from Gizmodo:

    It is telling that many of those who make their living in the political industrial complex, whether Democrat or Republican or Washington Post editorial page, find the idea of socially shunning people because of their politics to be abhorrent. Their shudders are a symptom of the fact that DC is indeed a swamp—a friendly swamp, where all the gators and slugs and mudfish meet up at the end of the day for cocktails, because to them, politics is a job.

    To the rest of us, politics is the use of power in a way that has very real effects on our lives.

    Resistance isn’t just civil protest.

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    PPCLI says:

    You would think that journalists would regard it as “uncivil” to corral them in a small pen during Trump rallies, where they can be cursed, ranted at and threatened with no interference from the security staff. You would think that journalists would regard it as “uncivil” for a politician to promise to pay the legal fees of anyone who beat the crap out of a protester at his rallies. But no, this is entirely normal. The codes of conduct remain unbroken.

    A presidential candidate offering to pay the legal fees of anyone who beats the crap out of a protester at his rally? Absolutely within the bounds of civility. Hardly worth mentioning. Refusing service to someone who has just flatly and shamefacedly lied about a policy of organized kidnapping including pre-verbal infants who are shipped off with less care for tracking than an airline gives for someone’s luggage? Shocking, possibly a point of no return, we must uphold the principled rules of discussion that we live by.

    Forcing kidnapped children who are not US nationals to say the pledge of allegiance as a sign of respect to their kidnappers? Very civil. Even though the country they are forced to pledge allegiance to is going to either deport the children as soon as possible or have the children adopted by an American family without the knowledge of the natural parents? Yep, totally within the bounds of civility. Oh, sure, maybe some “liberals” object, but it’s shameful to treat this as a moral issue instead of a “policy disagreement”.

    Refusing to ever call the Democratic party by its actual name? Civil. Absolutely normal, not worth comment.

    Calling an administration official a “feckless [insert swear word here]”. Shockingly uncivil. A disgrace. Initiating, relentlessly carrying out for decades, and still carrying out a strategy of systematically and insistently associating the “Democrat Party” with words like “traitors”, “sick”, “decay”, “steal”, “corrupt”. “bizarre”, “pathetic”,… [As a principled propaganda technique, not in response to actual instances of perceived genuine treason, theft, corruption,…] Absolutely normal. Not even worth bringing it up when the architect of that very policy is on your TV show condemning “uncivility”.

    These are the rules of the game for the journalistic elite.

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    Jeffro says:

    @cokane:

    did anybody ever question the tone of the tea party?

    Remember when the entire Tea Party was held to account for that one protestor with the poster of Obama with a bone through his nose?
    Me neither.
    Until then, I’m not about to let Dems get tarred with being called “uncivil” just because a restaurant (rightly) wouldn’t serve Possum Queen, or because Pam Biondi will have to wait for Netflix to carry the Mr. Rogers documentary.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: Sherman quoted/paraphrased the Bible: Those who sow the wind will read the whirlwind.

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    Bupalos says:

    Totally on board with the public shaming, but I also think some critics like Axelrod have a point that it can actually play into trumpism, done wrong. And better than denying service would be to tell them you are willing to serve them but are concerned employees may not be able to do their best because their heart won’t be in it, so it’s on them to decide if this is a place they are comfortable eating given that they have very personally offended the entire prep an waitstaff (Let them read betweeeen the lines).

    Trumpism, like religious terrorism, thrives on martyrs.

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    Calouste says:

    @Brachiator: Yep, the villagers are concerned it might happen to them. And by “it” they don’t mean that their children get taken away from them, they mean that they might not be able to eat at the latest fancy restaurant in peace. Imagine the horror!

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @brendancalling:

    Frankly, if I was ANY of these idiots, I would NEVER go to restaurants. Never. I worked as a cook back in the 1980s-1990s, and god help the customers the wait staff didn’t like, because they’d get what we used to call “the Special”.

    I hope they think of this when contemplating eating out.

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    Jeffro says:

    @A Ghost To Most:

    When they relearn how to say “Democratic Party”, we can talk.

    AMEN

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    boatboy_srq says:

    We heard eight years of “respect” for the Reichwing’s feelings and attitudes 2001-08. Half the unwillingness to wait this time around is the Reichwing’s immediate doible standard visible in November 2008 and perpetuated until this very day. “Fvck your feelings” has roots in the Clinton years and was highly prevalent 2010-16. Axelrod is forgetting how impeachment was off the table, how BHO was routinely chastised.for being insufficiently bipartisan, and generally how bending over backwards to accommodate the rabid fascists was necessary to the ongoing semblance of comity. It hasn’t worked. It didnt work for Clinton; it actually helped spawn the Contract On America. it didnt work for Obama; it spawned the Teahad. Assuming it will work this time is stupid bordering on clinical derangement. It’s not only the Reichwingnuts who exhibit the repetition of actions expecting different results.

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    GregB says:

    Is Wall St. beginning to understand that summary arrests without legal redress at the borders may not be good for commerce?

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    Jeffro says:

    @Bupalos: But they’re ALREADY martyrs, full-time, in their own minds. About everything. There’s no appeasing them. And the shaming is directed at Trumpov officials, who create and implement the policies. Let them reap what they sow. If power is all that they understand, let’s make sure they feel the heat. Appeasing them or backing off just makes them worse.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @cain:

    I hope your fears turn out to be unfounded — well, not unfounded, that’s the wrong word, because of course they are founded — but at least that your own return to the US is uneventful in every way. Will be thinking of you and hoping for a nice reassuring message on BJ when you get back.

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    Jeffro says:

    @GregB: It would if we Dems made it a focus of our efforts – publicly asking CEOs if they like tariffs and trade wars, immigration raids and arrests, and the demonizing of over half their customer base.

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    Peale says:

    @Calouste: Yep. The entire detention system seems uniquely designed to abuse prisoners and deny them any access to counsel in what is a legal matter. Why bother to keep your papers on you if the agent will just say that they are fraudulent and ignore them?

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    PPCLI says:

    @Kay: Yes. I enjoyed Haberman’s response to the effect of “if you cross this line, someone you disagree with will cross it too, and how will you feel then, huh? HUH?”
    What can one say to this, besides: “Yes, that really is a good point. If we start refusing service to Administration factotums for immoral actions, before you know it, people we disagree with will be using government resources to create havoc for private businesses and individuals, journalists will be penned up where they can be cursed and threatened, millions of people will be smeared as “animals” who “infest” the country, government employees who are insufficiently “loyal” to the leader will be purged, we will see government employees claiming something one day, then making exactly the opposite claim the next day, with no acknowledgement of a change of view or contradiction, we will see a government spokesperson announce that every one of the 20 women who have made sexual assault complaints are liars, .. etc. Yes, when all those things and more happen we’ll really be sorry that we transgressed the rules of civility.”

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @rikyrah:

    As always, Chris Rock called it after 9/11. “That train is never late!” 😒

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @cain:

    I had to look up that word, meiosis.

    I love that word. Also its close relative, litotes. :-)

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    TenguPhule says:

    An erratic, lying demagogue is remaking the country in his vile image, and the institutions that exist to check presidential behavior like rampant thievery, failure to protect democracy and open subversion of the rule of law have instead rolled over and piddled on their own bellies. So what the fuck else are we supposed to do?

    You should not ask me this question unless you really want me to answer it.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Dorothy Winsor:
    Civil? To vile enablers?
    They aren’t civil to anyone, fuck them.

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    CliosFanboy says:

    @Betty Cracker: I am so sorry for your loss. Some grandparents, like your gran, are a real gift to be treasured….

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    Gex says:

    @rikyrah: I mean, it already started at your door. He’s proposing to make ICE agents judge and jury. Seems to me that is the state of things for black people with respect to police. I view anti-BIPOC racism to be the heart of white supremacy, with the rest of us NBPOC occupying whatever position in between that best befits white people’s purposes.

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    rikyrah says:

    IF Y’ALL WERE GENUINELY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS NATION RETURNING TO JIM CROW YOU WOULD BE MORE CONCERNED WITH THE GOP’s ATTACK ON BLACK VOTING RIGHTS THAN YOU ARE ABOUT A WEALTHY WHITE WOMAN EATING CHEESE WHEREEVER SHE PLEASES pic.twitter.com/1NaQiV98OS

    — Bree Newsome (@BreeNewsome) June 25, 2018

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    KSinMA says:

    I’m sorry about your grandmother, Betty.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    And better than denying service would be to tell them you are willing to serve them but are concerned employees may not be able to do their best because their heart won’t be in it, so it’s on them to decide if this is a place they are comfortable eating given that they have very personally offended the entire prep an waitstaff (Let them read betweeeen the lines).

    @Bupalos: Horseshit. Don’t dump the responsibility for your decision on your staff. That’s fucking cowardice. If you’re going to step up, step up and be counted, otherwise sit there in silence like a good German.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Bupalos:

    I also think some critics like Axelrod have a point that it can actually play into trumpism, done wrong

    Does anyone ever chide Trump and his side for the way his ongoing and ever-renewable hatefulness galvanizes opposition? Do they say for that reason he shouldn’t do it? Do they interview Democrats who are up in arms about it? If not, why not?

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    Peale says:

    @rikyrah: Who is to say you aren’t Jamaican.

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    rikyrah says:

    The media & #Immigration advocates are dissecting the long game Stephen Miller has been methodically been playing. The logistics behind the recent separation of children from parents has been a year in the making. https://t.co/XROqdN2Hva

    — ⛓ Susan Pai and Allies ⛓ (@susanpai) June 25, 2018

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    rikyrah says:

    🚨Notice that a current event topic is “hot” in the media until it appears the public is questioning the system and engaging in mass civil disobedience. Then the topic is diffused & pushed to the side by shifting focus to the “culture war”. Happens repeatedly

    — Bree Newsome (@BreeNewsome) June 25, 2018

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    Vlad the Impaler says:

    @Brachiator: I was struck by this even a couple of decades ago when I did a lot of volunteer work for an organization that had a bit part in advocacy on Capitol Hill. Even way back then it was clear that the Republicans were behaving with great evil (this was in the time of Newt the Nasty), yet at the end of the day, everyone ended up together in the same bars, buying each other drinks. A big problem I had with this camaraderie is that this resulted in the professional lobbyists hired by the organization constantly trying to tamp down the message of the organization, especially during Hill visits and testimony before committees. Basically the pros didn’t want to appear uncivil, to the point of not really serving the needs of the organization. At the same time, I sure as shit never saw the other side holding back.

    I guess the moral of the story is that this mindset has been going on for a long time, and it’s a one-way street.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Kay:

    How is that fair or just? The MOST powerful people ignore the rules and the LEAST powerful have to follow them?

    I may have mentioned from time to time that once the general public’s respect for the rule of law goes away, everything comes crashing down. Civilization only works because the majority of people agree that it should.

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    gbbalto says:

    @Betty Cracker: Sorry to hear about your gran. Condolences and best wishes to you and your family.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    I don’t think even the Right will like this if Trump follows threw.

    And you’d be sadly disappointed.

    The wingnuts are Good Germans. They can’t see anything going wrong by arrest without recourse to due process because “it will never happen to me!”

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Brachiator:

    Trump is about a rally or two away from declaring that he does not have to uphold the Constitution of the United States.

    Pretty sure he’s already said that, just in different word salads.

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    James E Powell says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Sorry for your loss. Wishing you and yours peace & love.

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    David Evans says:

    C. S. Lewis, of all people, has a great quote here:

    “Rioting has died out, moderate rioting. It can be argued that if the windows of various
    ministries and newspapers were more often broken, if certain people were
    more often put under pumps and (mildly—mud, not stones) pelted in the
    streets, we should get on a great deal better. It is not wholly
    desirable that any man should be allowed at once the pleasures of a
    tyrant or a wolf’s-head and also those of an honest freeman among his
    equals.”

    (from Reflections On The Psalms)

    Maybe Christians should read him some more.

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    Ksmiami says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷: Wall them off. I don’t want to be a part of a country with Republicans who basically lie, cheat, steal and kidnap for power to do more of the same. the GOP actively works against the us citizenry and half are ok with this. Well fuck that I’m done with these miscreants. Let’s take away their technology and leave them to their guns, misery and meth

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    Duane says:

    Public shaming. When you see them coming, make no eye contact. Curse and spit on the ground.

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    Ksmiami says:

    @TenguPhule: does it start with a K? Cause the whole edifice is cratering

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    Ok, I get it now, the publicly shaming of poor hapless racist scum and other beyond the pale acts of horror against the privileged few like this is Black Civil Rights thinking. The difference this time around is everyone else is joining in.

    So this is the bizzaro world that is American politics moment when the blacks arrive in the main stream that they rally the people against The Idiot Twat who would be Dictator?

    And I see Trump is threatening Walters; with what? She is an AA. she damn well knows she has nothing to lose.

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    Brachiator says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Trump is about a rally or two away from declaring that he does not have to uphold the Constitution of the United States.

    Pretty sure he’s already said that, just in different word salads.

    I’m curious to see how far he will go. Also, his GOP toadies should be challenged about this, since their president is saying that he is not bound by the rule of law.

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    grandpa john says:

    @Jeffro: A memo for the VSP

    “The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.”

    ― Dante Alighieri

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    The Moar You Know says:

    I may have mentioned from time to time that once the general public’s respect for the rule of law goes away, everything comes crashing down. Civilization only works because the majority of people agree that it should.

    @TenguPhule: Truth. I’m convinced this is what happened to America after we let Nixon ride off into the sunset with no consequences.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @TenguPhule: T

    he wingnuts are Good Germans. They can’t see anything going wrong by arrest without recourse to due process because “it will never happen to me!”

    Of course the 27% will love it, but the 23% remainder of the Right is going to get that they are on on the enemies list too and subject to having their citizenship striped at a whim. Why in the heck do you think that Kidnapping policy of Trump’s generated so much outraged. Every Never-Trump is thinking it might be their kids too

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Kay:

    but can we reflect for a moment on how completely full of shit libertarians are?

    Twice the lifespan of the universe isn’t long enough for that.

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    Honus says:

    @Platonailedit: forget the relative sanitation of trumps place versus the Red Hen. Sanders and Trump could have claimed the high ground by simply ignoring the incident like any person with class would have. Instead, they showed a total lack of breeding and sophistication by immediately using their platforms as the most powerful institutions on earth to attack a small restaurant in a small town. Trump in particular impugning the appearance and cleanliness of a place he’d never seen. The most powerful man in the world baselessly bullying a six table establishment. The definition of lame and weak.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    Why in the heck do you think that Kidnapping policy of Trump’s generated so much outraged. Every Never-Trump is thinking it might be their kids too

    I suspect half of that outrage was over getting caught. And the Never-Trump people are now thinking “if I just cooperate, then we will be safe!”

    Even when it comes to them and their families, the assholes will ALWAYS make the worst possible choice.

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    Cckids says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷: I feel differently about this than I do about the Red Hen incident, only because seeing Mr Rogers for a prolonged period of time might, MIGHT give her some insight into what a monster she’s both following and becoming. Fred Rogers was the epitome of human decency, distilled on film.

    If you can watch this and not want to be a better human being, you’re lost. Mock and shame her AFTER she sees it.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Ksmiami:

    does it start with a K? Cause the whole edifice is cratering

    It has many names.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Oh, I’m sorry for your loss.

    Righteous post, Betty, and I mean that in the old-fashioned sense as well.

    Nym still missing.

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    BlueGirlFromWyo says:

    Your daily reminder that it is always projection with these snowflakes. Biden Refused as Host by Virginia Bakery Always.

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    VeniceRiley says:

    I hit some dollar matching act blue I saw on twitter today. When I’m angry or when some trumistani idiot in my family posts something to facebook, I go throw money at the blue. It makes me feel more constructive than yelling at my stupid racist relatives in Foxlandia, UT & OH.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Yarrow:

    Another great tweet from David Roberts:

    Apparatchiks are not a protected class. — David Roberts (@drvox) June 25, 2018

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    @Betty Cracker: I’m so sorry. My condolences to you and your family.

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    Is it wrong to think that had Mr. Rogers been alive, he would’ve told Bondi et al to fuck off and die? Asking for a friend.

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    Honus says:

    @Dorothy Winsor: exactly. A lot more civil than “fuck your feelings” t-shirts. Or the assholes that marched around my town with AR-15s last August 12. Or, for that matter, Trump’s tweet that baselessly questioned the Red Hen’s hygiene. Those things are uncivil. Quietly asking a person to leave your establishment because the staff finds them offensive, and comping their meal is civil.

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    Steeplejack says:

    And another good one on “The Paradox of Tolerance”:

    Gonna keep reposting this.We must not tolerate intolerance, lest we lose tolerance altogether. pic.twitter.com/20AQwO5YAD — Dave Rahardja (@drahardja) June 24, 2018

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    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon says:

    This such bullshit. By their logic, boycotts are uncivil and unfair.

    Boycotts, like the ones that helped end Jim Crow laws!

    It’s no wonder the reverse racism neo-confederates love this argument, but I figured others would be less obtuse. But villagers care more about protecting their incestuous Washington DC relationships than the real-world impact of their actions. Fuck them.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @germy:

    They were tut-tutting on Morning Joe as well.

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    bluefish says:

    Brava, Betty Cracker! All that needs to be said.

    So odd that the notion of self-respect as a general proposition doesn’t seem to occur to those who insist on treating us like errant children. Then again, I suppose it make perfect sense. One has also an obligation to oneself, as a decent person, not to look away, pretend it’s okay when clearly what Trump has engineered is obscene, AND then, on top of that, have to act like this man is not completely out of his depth. Mentally, psychologically impaired. It’s simply too much to ask, way way way too much. We’re used to not having our way in this country, but the Red Wave — coined just in time for Vlad’s visit — would have it all, take it all, no quarter. It’s enough already, really, and this matter of the lost children, the poor parents having to endure the agony — I mean, really? NO! We’ve fallen through the looking glass. These folks need to understand that we’ll never, never forget these horrid 15 months–this atrocity still being committed–and that they can expect to be held accountable. If kidnapping children of asylum seekers is their thing, then they’re going to need to get used to it quite possibly in public also.

    Thanks, again. I feel sometimes like I’m going to crack open like the old Jiffy Pop Popcorn thingies one cooked up over the stove. So damn crazy making all day, every day. How this country is expected to function under these circumstances, I just don’t know.

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    randy khan says:

    @GregB:

    Nope. It’s the trade war that’s worrying Wall Street.

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    Cacti says:

    Not surprised at MAGA Haberman. Normalizing the evil of this regime is her full-time job.

    Disappointing to Axelrod turn into a courtier.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Formerly disgruntled in Oregon:

    By their logic, boycotts are uncivil and unfair.

    Boycotts, like the ones that helped end Jim Crow laws!

    And now you know why.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @TenguPhule:
    They always learn the wrong lessons from history.

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    Kathleen says:

    @Betty Cracker: My deepest condolences Betty.

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    bluefish says:

    @David Evans: Thank you! Wonderful.

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    Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman) says:

    @brendancalling:

    Frankly, if I was ANY of these idiots, I would NEVER go to restaurants. Never. I worked as a cook back in the 1980s-1990s, and god help the customers the wait staff didn’t like, because they’d get what we used to call “the Special”.

    No kidding.

    My tolerance level was pretty high after a decade in kitchens, but I had my limits even so, and SHS, Miller, or any other recognizable Trumpanzee would have reached it.

    I once had a customer follow me into the kitchen after I got fed up repeatedly telling him that the fried chicken he wanted would be done in 15 minutes and he’d have to wait.

    I then told him to leave the kitchen area and he said that he was a customer and I couldn’t talk to him that way.

    At that point I lost it and screamed “get out of my kitchen or I’m calling the police”.

    He left after saying he’d call the owner and I replied with his phone number and my name.

    After watching the tape and hearing my side, Mike’s only comment was that I probably shouldn’t have lost my temper but not to worry about it.

    If he’d ever come back, he’d have gotten special seasoning in his order.😜

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    TenguPhule says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳 🌷:

    They always learn the wrong lessons from history.

    No, they always learn what went wrong last time from history. And rarely make the same mistake the next time.

    The Germans kept amazing records. Its how we managed to convict so many of them.

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    Domestic short hair tabby (fka vheidi) says:

    I never tweet, but replied to Axelrod. He’s worried about where she eats? Feh.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Ajabu:

    My car is plastered with Obama and Hillary stuff. I get tailgated a lot.

    (Really tired of having to retype my nym every time.)

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    thalarctosMaritimus says:

    @Betty Cracker: I’m sorry to hear the news of your loss, Betty. May her memory be a solace.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Platonailedit:

    Ooh, that’s golden.

    Among inspectors’ findings were multiple spottings of live and dead cockroaches (they noted 20-25 live ones visibly present in the main kitchen during one 2015 visit), “slimy/mold-like build-up” in coolers and freezers, and holes in kitchen walls.

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    Ridnik Chrome says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    (David Ignatius, David Broder, David Brooks, David Axelrod — I love the name, but this begins to worry me. Thank gods for David Fahrenthold.)

    ETA: And thank gods for David Roberts in Yarrow’s comment #3.

    “These are the Daves I know, I know, these are the Daves I know…”

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    jc says:

    @germy: In the SF area, when a citizen calls 3-1-1 to request that the city send a truck to clean up abandoned trash, the ‘on-hold’ message says: “all representatives are helping other customers, please stay on the line …”

    Is this intentional, or just clueless?

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Condolences on the loss of your grandmother, Betty.

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    terraformer says:

    I can hear that dick cop at the end to the bald guy “that’s right, walk away!” when he tried to follow Bondi.

    That is exactly the kind of “respect my authoritah” attitude that gets people shot. Fucking ghouls.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @SWMBO:

    I came *this close* to telling her to stop acting like and idiot and see if things improve.

    Tell her treating her like an idiot is the only way the rest of you can imagine her aa not a dyed in the wool racist scum bag.

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    Dan B says:

    @Bupalos: The owner of the Red Hen talked to her employees. They were very uncomfortable with Sanders bigotry to lgbt and asylum seekers. The owner spoke to Ssnders in private. Sanders chose to leave.

    Trump and Sanders broadcast that she’d been booted out. The media echoed without details. Our system will make villians of people who are polite and considerate. It was done to the Civil Rights movement, the Women’s movement, you name it. Whats needed is a nationally coordinated effort to direct the pushback. That takes time and effort that are in short supply. We can’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @jl: Yes, what Krugman is saying. If the Trump admin can declare anyone illegal and get not court hearing then citizen becomes a privilege to everyone, there are no Good American anymore. That’s something that needs to be put in your wingnut relatives faces – if this goes threw, if Miller gets his way, at the whim of any government official your children can be taken away and you deported.

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    Dan B says:

    @boatboy_srq: We will get smeared no matter how nice we are once our efforts begin to be effective, once we begin to scare the powerful. It would be wise to focys our attention on organized efforts that are working. The Marjory Stoneman Douglas kids seem to have a focused strategy, contingencies, and message discipline. Is Indivisible havibg any success? Is BLM back in play? If mot what threw them off course? Is it grassroots efforts or a grassroots trend in the DNC? Are women going to be the vanguard?
    I’m going to have to read my Saul Alinsky and remind myself how Chicago Gay Liberation dodged a mafia hit, arrest by the Vice Squad, and infiltrated the APA Convention in ’71. A massive activist infrastructure that was instinctivel intersectional and interested in raisibg awareness not in finding the perfect revolutionaries. (That was left to the Weathermen and the cointelpro creeps.)

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    if Miller gets his way, at the whim of any government official your children can be taken away and you deported.

    And once the Nazis start running the numbers on the costs to actually ship people out, the final solution to the problem becomes a matter of dollars and sense.

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    RedDirtGirl says:

    Betty Cracker, so sorry to hear about your gran. Holding you and your family in the light.

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    RedDirtGirl says:

    @Sloane Ranger: so sorry to hear that. What a shock that must have been!

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    Populating nym.

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    different-church-lady says:

    Where the fuck were all these concerns about civility in 2016?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @different-church-lady:

    Where the fuck were all these concerns about civility in 2016?

    Demanding that Hillary Clinton apologize for calling Trump supporters deplorable.

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    J R in WV says:

    Betty,

    Sorry for your loss. Even 99 years isn’t long enough, really. Take care!

    JR

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    brendancalling says:

    @Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman): I have no idea who you are, but in my head i read your comment with a really deep Boston accent.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @different-church-lady:

    As TP said, “civility” only applies to Democrats. Republicans can say whatever the fuck they want with no consequences whatsoever.

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    Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman) says:

    @brendancalling:

    Evansville, Indiana.
    Most Northerners think I sound Southern, and most Southerners think I sound like a damn Yankee. 😀

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    No One You Know says:

    @PPCLI: All that!

    I am (finally) wondering how long it will be before we notice how much unrepresented, underpaid, and unprotected labor has grown our food, picked and packed our produce, made our clothes, cleaned our buildings, served us on the road…

    This is starting to feel like the New Slavery.

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